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Anonymous

03:51

Vote for (or against) the genitive → possessive tag synonym here: ell.stackexchange.com/tags/possessive/synonyms

Anonymous

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. overleaf.com/3957755qbxwwj#/11470125

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Anonymous

04:23

Okay, the genitive tag is gone now.

Magsi

09:09

Hallo, Sir.

Tell me which verb should be used here?

Details of courses passed______under.

Are as.
Is as.

Which option is to be used?
@Snailboat.
@DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

IMHO, it doesn't sound like standard English either way.

Magsi

Sir, I am confused.

Which verb should be put?

Damkerng T.

> x = 3; 6x + / 2 = ____ ?

What would be the answer?

Magsi

I am not good at Maths.

Explain my question in detail, so that I might also make someone understand simply.

Damkerng T.

That question should be easy enough, I think.

Have you ever heard the saying, garbage in, garbage out?

Magsi

09:20

No, I have never ever heard.

Damkerng T.

Look it up when you can. :-)

In English, people write Our plans are as follows, The details are as below. If you write Details of courses passed are as under, I think it's probably not English or American English. (I'm not sure about other main dialects, like Australian, Canadian, South African, though.)

Magsi

Please have a close look at my question .sir

Damkerng T.

What do you think about my explanation?

Anonymous

Oops, we regressed to sir mode.

Damkerng T.

Dec 22 '15 at 9:37, by Damkerng T.

A short-term goal: having user12423 quit using the honorable sir with our names in a month

:D

Magsi

09:41

@snailboat

What are your views?

@DamkerngT. Sir You are making fun of me.

Damkerng T.

No, I do not. Please don't take it the wrong way.

Magsi

I have asking you about its explanation since long but you are not clearing my bewilderment.
It really hurts me, sir.

I am*

Damkerng T.

I remember that I've told you that I understand your culture. And I also recommended not using sir (or ma'am for that matter) in normal, typical conversations.

Anonymous

@Magsi Your question isn't answerable because the sentence doesn't make sense either way. It isn't grammatical either way. So we can't tell what you're trying to say.

Magsi

Come what may I will call you sir sir sir sir sir sir.

@snailboat if my sentence is ungrammatical please make it grammatical.
If it has any mistake please.

Anonymous

09:47

Can't.

Magsi

Please

Anonymous

Saying please doesn't make it any more possible.

Anonymous

You need to explain what you're trying to say.

Magsi

@snailboat , I am trying to ask that which verb is to be used.

Tell me which verb should be used here?

Details of courses passed______under.

Are as.
Is as.

Which option is to be used?
@Snailboat.

Anonymous

Neither.

Anonymous

09:49

I understood the question.

Magsi

Hahaha,

Anonymous

I don't understand what "Details of courses passed are/is as under" is supposed to mean.

Anonymous

It doesn't mean anything.

Anonymous

You need to explain what that sentence is supposed to mean.

Anonymous

I can't fix it if I don't know what you're trying to communicate.

Anonymous

09:50

That's the part I don't understand.

Magsi

How can I tell you its meaning?

Anonymous

By using other words.

Magsi

It's hard to tell you its meaning like this.

Anonymous

Then I'm afraid your question is unanswerable.

Magsi

I am a Urdu speaker.

Anonymous

09:51

I'm sorry, I don't speak Urdu, so I can't help you translate from Urdu.

Magsi

You should explain it grammatically.

Anonymous

Can't.

Magsi

I am asking you about verbs.

Anonymous

None of the words in your sentence go together.

Anonymous

Grammar is how words fit together.

Anonymous

09:52

But there is no verb that can be put there that fits with the other parts of the sentence.

Anonymous

Because the entire sentence is ungrammatical and has no meaning.

Magsi

I have fixed the words.

If it is ungrammatical, make it grammatical by using your knowledge please.

Anonymous

Can't.

Damkerng T.

Magsi, please be reasonable.

It's not a good sentence either way.

Magsi

That is why I miss Khan always.
He understands my views immediately.
Sir , Dam how can I be reasonable?
In fact, it is an easy question.

Damkerng T.

09:55

I know that this may surprise you (that your sentence is not good).

@Magsi You keep asking the same thing, and hoping for a different answer.

Magsi

😞😓😥

Damkerng T.

I think it could be an easy question of another English that I don't know very well.

I said neither is correct. Snailboat said neither as well.

Magsi

Send me a link of another chat room where I can ask this question.

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure what room you have in mind.

Magsi

Khan's room.

Damkerng T.

10:00

I don't know about his room.

Magsi

Tell me the room where J.R sir is available.

Damkerng T.

J.R. visits this room sometimes.

Magsi

Another room where he remains all the time.

Damkerng T.

I suggest you read the chat log from the beginning of our conversation once again. The answer is already there.

@Magsi That's not how SE chat rooms work.

Magsi

Can I ask this question in public?

Damkerng T.

10:06

Of course! You can post it as a question on the main site. I think you've asked some questions there before, right?

Magsi

Yes, and my confusion had been cleared there properly.

Okay, sir tell me the suitable method to ask this question there.

Damkerng T.

How did you do it the last time?

Magsi

I think I should ask this question in English language&usage chat room.
Can I?

Send me its link please.

Damkerng T.

Just do the same. I'm sorry, but I have to be AFK for a while. See you later.

Magsi

Okay, sir...
Take care of yourself.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

11:36

@snailboat Excellent!

@Snail well done; there's no need for me to chime in the meta discussion anymore.

Anonymous

I went through a bunch of modal-verbs questions today and retagged questions that weren't actually about modal verbs.

Anonymous

We seem to have a tendency to tag things without knowing what the tags actually mean.

Anonymous

Just so everyone knows, not all auxiliary verbs are modal auxiliary verbs.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat Yeah, which is worse than tagging grammar.

Damkerng T.

12:08

@snailboat But all one-word modal verbs are auxiliary verbs! (I think)

Anonymous

Modal auxiliaries are a type of auxiliary.

Anonymous

The others are nonmodal auxiliaries.

Damkerng T.

nods

We still have both tags, right?

477 modal-verbs!

Anonymous

We have a general tag for auxiliary verbs, and a specific tag for modal auxiliary verbs, but no specific tag for primary (nonmodal) auxiliary verbs.

Damkerng T.

159 auxiliary-verbs

@snailboat nods -- It's probably already good enough.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

12:13

Recently I've been more inclined to use preps in the end of my sentences.

Damkerng T.

Wondering why we have more modal-verbs questions!

Hmm... maybe that's logical already, 'cause we also have sub-aux-inversion

Hmm

Only 9 of them!

144 subject-verb-agreement

Anonymous

We have a specific tag for do-support, and tags for passive and perfect constructions.

Anonymous

The tags for passives are silly.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Do we have any questions that can use phrases?

Anonymous

We have separate tags for active and passive voice, but there is no use whatsoever for the active voice tag.

Damkerng T.

12:16

So true!

Anonymous

No one on ELL ever asks about the active voice unless they're asking about the passive voice.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Uh, just checked.

phrases is a stupid placeholder tag.

Anonymous

It doesn't seem to be on any questions.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Oh, it's phrase @Snail.

Anonymous

The phrase tag has a problem:

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

12:19

Its problem is itself.

Anonymous

Linguists use phrase to refer to a kind of constituent, bigger than a word but smaller than a clause.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Just like grammar, it plays the role of a place holder.

Anonymous

Noun phrases, adjective phrases, verb phrases, and so on.

Anonymous

However!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

HOWEVER!

Anonymous

12:20

In popular usage phrase means 'a string of two or more words'.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Um, am I missing something? Why do we have plural and grammatical-number?

Anonymous

And if you look, the tag description uses the technical definition, but no one actually tagging anything respects that definition.

Anonymous

They just use it to refer to two or more words that are linearly adjacent.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat Proves a point. The people that should be reading tag wikis most do least.

Anonymous

I don't think there's any hope of getting people to adopt the meaning described in the tag wiki.

Anonymous

12:23

Really, there isn't much point in having a tag for all kinds of phrasal constituents in the first place.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Yes. BURN IT!

Anonymous

So what the tag is, is the plural version of words, with a misleading description as an added bonus.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat Yup

I mean "yep".

Anonymous

Wait, why do you prefer yep to yup? :-)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

compounds — Do they mean 'compound nouns'? If so, I don't see how that's relevant to half of the questions tagged with it.

Anonymous

12:26

You like hullo but yep. It's like we're u–e opposites!

Anonymous

There are other kinds of compounds.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat Yus I do.

@snailboat Like chemicals.

Anonymous

I upvoted your answer. ← This verb is a preposition-verb compound.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Sits down like an eager student

Anonymous

A compound is just made of two things. It doesn't have to be a noun, and it doesn't have to be made of nouns.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

12:29

Oh. Then that's a really broad tag.

Anonymous

Yes.

Anonymous

Kickstart is a verb-verb compound.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

The reaction must have been exothermic.

Damkerng T.

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Q: Writing this line in a natural way

Recently I have been trying to file a complain where I need to include the following: (All texts in the following blockquote are red-colored) Click next after 15 secs Click next after 14 secs Click next after 13 secs . . . Click next after 1 secs The line flas...

Should we close it as proofreading?

(It has a bounty on it.)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Highly relevant tags with even a better title. Facepalm

Damkerng T.

12:32

@snailboat Oh, I've never noticed that!

Anonymous

Bounties prevent close votes.

Damkerng T.

Oh! I didn't know that!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Downvotecommented.

^^ compound

Anonymous

English has very few verb-verb compounds.

Anonymous

It's not a productive pattern in general.

Anonymous

12:39

Other languages have lots of them :-)

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