ELL's Cabin

Waterscroll

01:12

What is the name of the bar that goes up to let your car enter in parking lots?

Damkerng T.

01:59

It's a boom.

Mamta D

05:06

Drive-in bar? Like a drive-in theater?

Maulik V

05:17

@Waterscroll Any bar would let your car enter the parking lots! :)

Jude Niroshan

06:21

Good Morning!

christmas is coming soon!

you feel it?

:D

Jude Niroshan

07:15

will you coming/come for practices today? which one should i want to pick? @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

09:24

@JudeNiroshan If you use will, you would need come.

I wonder if Will you come to the practice today? or Are you coming to the practice today? would be more idiomatic.

Jude Niroshan

ok

Will you be coming for practices today?

how about this one? correct, right?

Mamta D

It's correct Jude. "Will you be coming for practices today?"

Guys, need some help for markdown. For hyperlinking inside comments. Am stuck.

Jude Niroshan

thanks

Mamta D

09:42

However, I think in such a sentence, the word practice is more suitable. Practices is used like in saying "10 best practices for web services" etc.

Damkerng T.

@MamtaD Try this: [my text](http://www.somewhere-on-the-web.net/path/to/my-page.html)

Mamta D

That's exactly what I did. But it rendered as is..ie with [] and link name

Didn't show hyperlink.

Damkerng T.

Hmm... could you try the same thing here, in this chat room?

Jude Niroshan

I have a question

Damkerng T.

Yes?

Jude Niroshan

09:48

how do we say this number in english ? 158

Damkerng T.

What is it? Just a number, amount of money, or what?

Jude Niroshan

is it One Hundred and fifty eight or just One hundred fifty eight ?

Damkerng T.

Both are fine.

Mamta D

One Hundred and fifty eight ideally. But you don't need to spell out numbers that are > 10. Unless absolutely necessary.

Like in bank cheques, whbere you are asked to write it in words.

where* (typo)

@DamkerngT. This is how it rendered

Check [this thread] (english.stackexchange.com/questions/79011/…) and the further threads linked within that.

Damkerng T.

Oh, if it's for a check (cheque), I'd prefer and there.

Mamta D

09:50

The hyperlinking with markdown I mean

Damkerng T.

@MamtaD Ahh... you must have no space between ] and (, and I think you need http://, iirc.

Jude Niroshan

yes. When I write in claim sheet in our office, i wonder whether to write and or not

Damkerng T.

@JudeNiroshan Better include and as Mamta said.

Mamta D

It worked! The hyperlink worked. The space was the problem I guess. Thanks @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

Yay! -- No problem.

Mamta D

09:53

@JudeNiroshan yes, you need "and" in that case.

Jude Niroshan

ok. i'll write it in my head. Next time when write something official i'll make sure to place and :)

Mamta D

@JudeNiroshan Next time when writing something

Jude Niroshan

@MamtaD thanks !

Damkerng T.

10:19

Did you read this? no space is placed before a colon and a single space is placed after it. Did you further read Sentence Spacing? @DamkerngT. — Maulik V ♦ 9 mins ago

I must've read it, of course. How else would I summarize it as in my previous comments? It's confusing in your answer because you used it to support your answer "after column you may put space"; and then write about Microsoft Word correcting Name:Tom to Name: Tom, i.e. "zero" vs. "one" space. The Wikipedia page doesn't discuss this. It simply suggests that we use "no space" before a colon, and "a single space" after it. The points relating to traditional rules are a) a thin space before a colon, and b) "one" or "two" spaces after it. — Damkerng T. 1 min ago

@MaulikV Could you be more careful in your answers when you quote sources written by others as your references?

It would be better for everyone if you will quote and cite your sources properly.

@DamkerngT. reference removed. This should clear the misunderstanding. Hope this helps. — Maulik V ♦ 59 secs ago

@DamkerngT. Thank you.

Mamta D

10:39

Was the answer deleted, @DamkerngT. ?

Damkerng T.

Huh?

Ah, yes. He deleted it.

Maulik V

Yes, deleted to edit

Damkerng T.

Really, your answer didn't answer his question.

If I were really strict, I would've already downvoted it.

Now it looks like an answer. I wonder if it's really correct, though.

Maulik V

Okay!

Damkerng T.

I'm pretty sure that writing No. is safer than No (without a period).

What I'm not sure is whether only No. is correct.

(I'm also rather sure that if snailboat was around, we'd've had a good time talking about some Unicode characters. :P)

Usernew

10:49

Can not even google this thing

Maulik V

I remember that full stop is not required if the abbreviation comes from the first and last letter

Dr, Mr - no periods

No. and not Nr!

Damkerng T.

I remember that I was (un)corrected when I wrote "In the 60's". As it turned out, either (60's or 60s) is fine.

Usernew

@MaulikV I have always seen a full stop after "Dr" :(

Maulik V

yes, wrongly practiced. @Usernew

Swan has an entry for that @DamkerngT.

When we talk about the span of 10 yr, no apostrophe I think

I remember rather!

But we must use apostrophe if we think that without apostrophe, it'd be confusing

Five F's instead of Fs

Damkerng T.

@MaulikV Are you saying that Swan said that "Dr" is incorrect, and it has to be "Dr."?!

Maulik V

10:54

because Fs may sound some abbreviation

I talked about 60s and 60's it was with the reference of music I guess

Swan ... @DamkerngT. so I referred you

Damkerng T.

@MaulikV He uses Dr (no period--or full stop, in his dialect).

Maulik V

That's what I said

Damkerng T.

5 mins ago, by Maulik V

yes, wrongly practiced. @Usernew

Oh, I see.

Maulik V

you're getting too much on me these days ;)

Damkerng T.

Hmm... I don't think Swan said that "Dr." is incorrect.

Maulik V

10:58

good for me though!

There's no reference I meant for Dr dot or not

I replied to your 60's and 60s with the reference of Swan

Forget Swan and Dr Dr.

Damkerng T.

@MaulikV Got that. But I wasn't curious about the 60's or 60s (because I know). What I was curious about was your reply to Usernew.

Usernew

Anyone good here at triple negative?

Damkerng T.

It sounded like you were suggesting that either "Dr." or "Dr" is incorrect. Looks like you were suggesting the former.

@Usernew Example please. :-)

Usernew

Example: I cannot say that I do not disagree with you.

quote by Groucho Marx

Maulik V

double negation is positive

so double negation + negation - negitive!

Usernew

11:03

just like in mathematics.

Damkerng T.

@Usernew = I won't say anything.

Hmm... did he say that in English?

Usernew

I know. I was just checking how slow I was at decoding triple negative :(

Damkerng T.

Surely he must have!

Usernew

yeah

Is it fancy to use double negative?

Jude Niroshan

Now the previously had/has issue was fixed

Maulik V

11:05

I cannot say that I agree [don't disagree= agree) with you!

Damkerng T.

@Usernew Judging from who he was, I think that was the effect he wanted to convey. (I'm not saying anything.)

Maulik V

I find it perplexing though it's a famous style

It is not uncommon ... I read this many times

Usernew

He was effective at conveying his message.

Damkerng T.

@Usernew I can't tell you anything about what he didn't or can't say about not disagreeing.

gmotree

Hi

Usernew

11:09

hi @gmotree

Damkerng T.

Hi

Mamta D

Hi @gmotree it's good that you arrived here

Usernew

@DamkerngT. I think he meant "I disagree with you."

Mamta D

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Q: what is the difference between "how much gold this ring has?" and "how much gold do this ring has?"?

What is the difference between the two sentences: How much gold this ring has? How much gold does this ring has? Another example: How much water do you have? how much water you have? Update I have second questions. How much something (do/does) something (have/ha...

Damkerng T.

@Usernew If he were a literal person, that would've been what it meant.

Ahh... from 6 hours ago!

Mamta D

11:12

This was his question...and this was his last comment "Sir, I am just qurious about why it is not proper just like using as casual"

So I suggested he come to chat instead of having a long-winded comment thread

Usernew

That's a good advice

*suggestion

Mamta D

@gmotree Firstly, I am a female, so no "Sir". Secondly, your comment why is it not proper...in written communication, usually it's good to be grammatical.

Usernew

@DamkerngT. He was a genius!

Mamta D

As opposed to casual conversation, where we can do away with grammar rules sometimes.

Damkerng T.

@Usernew That's why I think he meant something else (like, I'm not saying anything. :P) -- Basically, his sentence allows him to deny everything.

Usernew

11:14

@DamkerngT. :P

@gmotree I didn't mean anything. I just didn't read her answer well. My blown mind.

Mamta D

@MaulikV, Deleting an answer in order to edit it is not recommended, I think. You can simply click edit to update your answer

Damkerng T.

"How much water you have?" sounds like broken English.

Mamta D

We had given some useful comments out there. Now all those comments are gone :(

Usernew

How much water do you have?

Mamta D

Exactly @DamkerngT., it sounds broken which is why I told him he needs to update it as I suggested in the answers

Jude Niroshan

11:17

What does cosby jokes mean? I saw in a news headline

Usernew

How much water you have got?

Mamta D

"How much water is available with you"

is preferable to me.

Usernew

Jokes about Bill Cosby are Cosby Jokes

@JudeNiroshan

Jude Niroshan

@Usernew I didn't know him. i think that's what it mean

Damkerng T.

nods -- I'm fine with either, but that one needs do, like the way Usernew wrote it up there.

@JudeNiroshan Could mean several things. Usernew is right that it must be about Bill Cosby.

However!

Usernew

11:19

@JudeNiroshan neither do I :)

Damkerng T.

There are some controversial issues around Bill Cosby recently, so I'm not really sure what they mean by "Cosby Jokes".

No I didn't but briefly can you explain? — satish 1 min ago

Hmm... that's not easy to argue with!

:-)

Note that you are asking 'difference between sentences' and you are posting 'questions'. Even further, 'how much gold this ring has' is absolutely fine but then it'd make a sentence and not a question. Like - How much money will I get by selling this off? ~ It all depends on how much gold this ring has. So, decide by yourself. If you are making a sentence without a question mark, the first example is fine, but as a question, it fails. — Maulik V ♦ 5 hours ago

@MaulikV But questions are sentences too!

I think, to avoid confusion, it'd be better to use some other terms, such as "declarative sentence", "interrogative sentence", and so on.

Araucaria

12:25

Aaaaarrrgh @DamkerngT. Your help is needed here. More accepted questions with bad and wrong answers - which are being used as dupes. Downvotes required urgently!!!

Damkerng T.

@Araucaria I can see only one answer. Is there any other related Q or A elsewhere?

Oh, I see. It was used for closing some other questions, I guess?

Araucaria

@DamkerngT. Yes. But the answer is very, very wrong indeed. Here is the completely unrelated question that was linked to it!!! Grrrr ....

Damkerng T.

Ah, I can't vote to reopen a question on ELU! (-1 done)

Araucaria

12:42

@DamkerngT. That's a good start, thanks!!

Damkerng T.

No problem!

Damkerng T.

15:54

@MaulikV This is confusing. I'd like to suggest avoiding using the mod power to edit your comments after the fact, except of course for typos. Araucaria comments are useful and even enlightening. Your edit corrupts the flow. It could've been better if you simply added that you were wrong and told the reader to read Araucaria below (your first comment above). IMHO, it could be even better if you consider refraining from posting your comments when you are not sure. — Damkerng T. 20 secs ago

Damkerng T.

16:37

→ ell.stackexchange.com/a/71259/3281

Spam.

Anonymous

We need one more delete vote! :-)

Damkerng T.

Help!

Interesting spells, though. :-)

tchrist

Please don't put spam in the logs, ok?

Damkerng T.

Okay. But I can't edit that one.

Thanks!

tchrist

Sure.

albru123

17:43

What is the meaning of "still going on about sth."? Like when you oppose someone and they answer you like that in a little bit rude way...

Damkerng T.

17:56

"still going on" ~ "still keep talking"

Note: very context-dependent

Stack Exchange

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Q: Reviewing review queues -feature request

One of the jobs that civic minded members are encouraged to do here is to vote on whether certain questions should be closed, need further work, or should remain open. This is only after one has accumulated enough reputation. The review queues here are sometimes long. Not as long as EL&U's but q...

discussion support feature-request

Araucaria

18:18

@DamkerngT. How does SE insert chats into chatrooms? Do you know?

Damkerng T.

@Araucaria What do you mean, "insert chats"?

Did you mean the above meta post?

Araucaria

@DamkerngT. Yes! Don't have the right techie terminology. ...

Damkerng T.

Ah, I see. It's up to the room owners. They can set up the feeds of the room.

Here are the feeds of this room: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/22937/ells-cabin?tab=feeds

Anonymous

You can link to a post by just pasting the URL on a line by itself. (It doesn't work if you add other stuff to the message!)

Anonymous

So if I type http://meta.ell.stackexchange.com/questions/2709/reviewing-review-queues-featur‌e-request as a message by itself and hit enter, I get this:

Anonymous

18:31

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Q: Reviewing review queues -feature request

One of the jobs that civic minded members are encouraged to do here is to vote on whether certain questions should be closed, need further work, or should remain open. This is only after one has accumulated enough reputation. The review queues here are sometimes long. Not as long as EL&U's but q...

discussion support feature-request

Anonymous

But the link above was automatic like Damkerng explained.

Anonymous

Right now it's set to have meta posts show up automatically.

Araucaria

@DamkerngT. , @snailboat Ah, I see. Thanks

Damkerng T.

No problem

athlonusm

Hello. I found a while ago that the preposition "with" has two pronunciations: /wɪθ/ and /wɪð/. Are they interchangeable?

Anonymous

18:41

@athlonusm An excellent question! Would you consider posting it on ell.stackexchange.com? :-)

Anonymous

Your question could ask if it's different in American English and British English!

Araucaria

@athlonusm Don't forget to tag it "pronunciation"!

Here's an interesting determiners question:

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Q: "He was neither seer nor prophet" How would you explain the absence of an article?

Here's a fragment from Jack London's Star Rover: Wordsworth knew. He was neither seer nor prophet, but just ordinary man like you or any man. What he knew you know, any man knows. But he most aptly stated it in his passage that begins "Not in utter nakedness, not in entire forgetfulness. To...

articles noun-phrases coordination

athlonusm

OK, I'll post it, but I don't know what examples it'll better to use.

Araucaria

Ah, it works ... Interesting ...

@athlonusm I don't think the examples matter too much :)

Damkerng T.

@Araucaria A determiner question without the [determiners] tag! :P

Araucaria

18:47

That's better ...

@DamkerngT. Why don't you edit one in? (am sometimes a bit reluctant if I've answered)

Damkerng T.

I was just kidding. It already has articles.

Araucaria

@DamkerngT. Yes, indeed. But determiners would be good too. I'll add it in later. Trying not to get involved in any more comments on there right now ...

tchrist

@athlonusm No, those aren't phonemically distinct words. You mean that both [wɪθ] and [wɪð] occur depending on the phonological environment. This is not like house (noun) versus house (verb) where the voicing change gives you a different word.

Araucaria

@snailboat You put that answer in in the end?

Anonymous

@Araucaria I haven't posted the answer you asked me to yet.

Araucaria

18:57

@snailboat I like the yet in your reply!

@athlonusm LPD give UK preference 15%wɪθ, 85% wɪð. US is exactly the opposite: 86% wɪθ, 14% wɪð. So a substantial minority for the variation in each case. Some varieties of Gen Am also have a weak form, wəð, wəθ. 82% Scottish English speakers prefer wɪθ.

Anonymous

(LPD = Longman Pronunciation Dictionary)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Liquified Petrol Dormitories.

Araucaria

@athlonusm Ooops, yes see Snail's comment above ...

@DamkerngT. and everyone. Ciao. Am escaping from college ...

athlonusm

@Araucaria I'm actually writing this question right now :)

Anonymous

Yay!

Anonymous

19:09

Even though we discussed it in chat, posting it on the site is a good thing. It'll get more attention and other people can learn from it that way :-)

Damkerng T.

Ciao!

Anonymous

20:03

Here's a random selection of recordings containing with from the Switchboard corpus, which contains spontaneous speech from all areas of the US: quarplet.com/with-switchboard.zip

athlonusm

20:16

@snailboat Thanks!

Damkerng T.

Thanks!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Welcome!

Damkerng T.

Heh!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

._________.

I'm bored.

When is the TRE going to happen?

Anonymous

20:37

Whatever it is, presumably whenever you make it happen.

Anonymous

22:11

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A: You've got a great smile vs You have a great smile

Both are correct for "speaking" English. At least American English. Not sure about other types. You've got a great smile. Is technically incorrect in some circles but it is a very very common spoken and idiomatic usage. It's more informal. You have a great smile. Is generally more fo...

Anonymous

> Is technically incorrect in some circles but it is a very very common spoken and idiomatic usage.

Anonymous

I don't know how people arrive at this conclusion, but they sure arrive at it a lot.

Anonymous

In this particular case, I'm curious why have got is supposed to be "technically incorrect".

tchrist

I see that all the time.

gmotree

23:18

Thanks but I can not understand why is it not proper "how much something do you have" ?

Araucaria

23:48

@athlonusm Great!! I'm going to go and read it right now :)

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