ELL's Cabin

Damkerng T.

04:43

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Q: Reported speech (back shifting of tense)

Suppose, today I tell you a story which happened few days ago and I say that "A few days back I met my dream girl at the shopping mall. But when I asked her name she said that she 'is' busy". I have two questions regarding this phrase. Question 1 : Here, if at the time of reporting I don't kn...

Anyone is welcome to help the OP.

Others may know how to help them better than I could.

In another question,

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A: What is the difference between "foe" and "enemy"

They mean (roughly) the same, but they are not the same word. Consider powerful car and strong car. We usually use powerful car rather than strong car, even though strong and powerful (usually) mean the same thing. (The same goes for strong/powerful tea/computer/drug/etc.) One choice usually sou...

I think it was the mod in the question who downvoted me.

(He was "last seen 25 minutes", and I just noticed this downvote a few minutes ago.)

Interesting. He added some more information to his answer after he posted his last comment to me.

Damkerng T.

05:40

I'm 95% sure that the downvote was his. (I just checked SEDE. MaulikV has cast two votes today so far. One down-vote, one up-vote.)

Anyway, I left a comment to him, and as a kind of "learner beware/get it right" message for other learners/readers:

@MaulikV Strong is utterly different from powerful to you--that's good for you! I take it that you can handle the nuances between the two words well, even though it's common for learners to misuse the two words; it's also common that people use the two words interchangeably in some occasions; some dictionaries define powerful as strong, and your favorite one also defines strong as very powerful. — Damkerng T. 32 mins ago

Anonymous

11:26

I think foe has something of an archaic ring to it outside of fixed phrases.

Anonymous

It might also be appropriate in particularly formal language or in fiction.

Anonymous

But overall enemy is a much more common word.

Anonymous

I don't think foe is more polite.

Anonymous

(Politeness and formality are two different things.)

Anonymous

If I wanted a word which is slightly less emotionally charged, I might go with opponent.

Anonymous

11:30

Like enemy, opponent is significantly more common than foe.

Anonymous

There are a bunch of words in that constellation to pick from. Rival, for example.

Anonymous

None of them have quite the same meaning, of course . . .

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. SEDE updates once a week.

Anonymous

I think I don't want to discuss users in chat.

Damkerng T.

He's cast three more votes since I checked his stats this morning, all up-votes.

I feel a bit like being bullied by a mod.

This is the 2nd time since that "sentence" incident.

I've gotten not many downvotes. If my count is correct, I've gotten only two downvotes since mid-June.

Anonymous

11:43

That's less than me! :-)

Anonymous

I don't usually get many downvotes either.

Damkerng T.

Maybe because I've posted fewer answers. :-)

Anonymous

But I do get a few.

Damkerng T.

nods -- So each and every downvote does stand out.

Anonymous

Unfortunately, you can't really decide who's right by voting.

Anonymous

11:45

So the voting system is an imperfect proxy at best.

Damkerng T.

Indeed. Votes are somewhat like Likes.

Anonymous

I'm afraid sometimes people upvote me because I have a lot of reputation rather than because I've written a good answer.

Damkerng T.

I don't know what SE tells the mods, but I think there should be something related to ethics included. I wonder if what happened was ethical.

@snailboat I wonder that too, sometimes; but I think that mostly happens in HNQs, for me.

Anonymous

The moderator agreement looks like this: japanese.stackexchange.com/legal/moderator-agreement

Anonymous

Moderators are also linked to this blog post: blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation

Anonymous

11:49

In many ways, moderators are just like regular users.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

-2

A: Is This Tag Useful? Episode 1 - The Big Boss (grammar)

The tag is indeed useful. There are many questions that ask for 'grammar' and not anything else. It's true that we have many sub-tags that further classify 'grammar' but that is fine. That is fine probably for those who know which specific problem it is called in their questions. It is something...

in Language Overflow, 41 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Gee, it's disappointing how a mod clearly has no idea what tags are for.

-1

Q: How to contact moderators

Is there a way to communicate with the moderators on ELL?

support

@Dam @Snail ^

Now we get a flagging spree by the troll, prolly.

Damkerng T.

I don't want to get involved in the above case. I think mods already know about it.

Actually, I was considering writing a meta post about my issue myself, but I decided to wait it out, and call what just happened "strike two".

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. You always bear the right to vote.

And BTW, I don't want a clutter of hot meta posts so everyone sees what I'm going to do with grammar.

:P

\o @Art

ArtOfCode

o/

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm discussing my evil plans about collapsing the ELL's tagging system, partially.

Damkerng T.

11:57

We're having several issues going on, I think.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No we don't.

I have a proposed solution which takes all of the sides into account.

ArtOfCode

Aye, there's noise about it in the network mod room. No links here, but I guessed.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ArtOfCode About what?

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Scroll up.

ArtOfCode

Issues in <unspecified chatroom>

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:59

@DamkerngT. Oh noes.

@Dam any time now robot revolution happens?

Damkerng T.

It looks like my third prediction is going to turn out to be true.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

RISE! RISE AGAINST FOOLISH FUTILE HUMANS!

ArtOfCode

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You calling me foolish and futile?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

CONQUER THE EARTH! THE HUMANS CAN'T STOP US NOW.

@ArtOfCode Comparing with @Dam, yeah.

I mean, he's robot, and you're . . . flesh.

ArtOfCode

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Correction: you calling the guy wit the ban hammer foolish and futile? ;)

Damkerng T.

12:02

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hey, I'm all for fairness and equality!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ArtOfCode Mods aren't humans.

@DamkerngT. That's what they all say.

Damkerng T.

@ArtOfCode What if a mod is unethical?

ArtOfCode

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Ah, right. That's ok then :)

@DamkerngT. PUNY MOD.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Haha!

ArtOfCode

Hulk mode activated

PUNY ~~GOD~~ MOD

3

Damkerng T.

12:04

wanted to star the message, but our star-board is a bit crowd.

ArtOfCode

One star

Self-star, because I'm cool.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Modabuse™ FTW. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

terdon

Hi all.

@DamkerngT. who's bugging you this time?

Damkerng T.

Hi!

@terdon I think a mod used his downvotes as his retaliation, and it's not quite right.

terdon

Yeah I read the transcript.

First of all. Come on! That's one downvote, that's nothing!

Damkerng T.

12:08

FWIW, I've gotten only 2 downvotes in about the last 4 months.

terdon

@DamkerngT. So? That just means you're on a site that doesn't vote much.

Damkerng T.

@terdon It would've been nothing if it was from a regular user.

terdon

Second, you have absolutely no way of knowing who voted.

@DamkerngT. You can't know who it was. Your evidence seems to be "the mods was online at the time the vote was cast and the mod has also posted an answer". That's not evidence!

It's not even suggestive.

Of course the mod was online, that's our job! :)

Damkerng T.

@terdon In the slow hour?

terdon

And yes, mods have every right to downvote if they consider an answer wrong or bad.

They even have an obligation to do so, downvotes are just as important as upvotes.

@DamkerngT. What slow hour? On what continent?

Damkerng T.

12:10

@terdon On ELL.

terdon

Yes, I know :)

Damkerng T.

It was a slow hour on ELL.

terdon

But what do you mean by slow hour?

@DamkerngT. So? The mod was the only user online?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Goes to downvote @Dam

Damkerng T.

@terdon Quite likely, in that 10-15 minutes window, besides myself.

He logged in, voted one downvote, voted one upvote.

terdon

12:12

@DamkerngT. Anyway, that's irrelevant. Say the mod did actually downvote you. So?

Damkerng T.

I got one downvote within that 15-25 minutes.

terdon

A mod is just another user.

Damkerng T.

It was one of the two downvotes I got in the last four months.

What would you think?

terdon

If he disagreed with your answer, he was right in downvoting.

@DamkerngT. I would think "OK, somebody doesn't agree with this" and then get on with my life.

Damkerng T.

@terdon The problem is, is it ethical for a mod?

terdon

12:13

Of course!

Why not?

Ethical? Come on!

Damkerng T.

No. Come on!

terdon

If I see an answer I consider wrong, I downvote it. I did that before becoming a mod and I do it still., Why wouldn't I?

Should mods not downvote?

Damkerng T.

@terdon Even when you don't know the answer?

terdon

@DamkerngT. Huh?

Damkerng T.

A moment, please.

terdon

12:15

Look. Obviously, you believe your answer to be right. Most likely, the user (or the mod) in question believes it to be wrong. They are therefore completely correct to downvote. I don't see an issue here.

Maybe your answer is wrong. Maybe it is not. That's just how the system works.

Damkerng T.

If I did not think that, why would I write that as an answer? To me, [noun] resulting in [something] looks absolutely okay! @DamkerngT. — Maulik V ♦ Oct 3 at 8:59

I got that when I got the other downvote.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

FWIW, I have some issues with the specific mod, but they're unrelated.

Damkerng T.

The question asked "How to use “resulting” in the middle of the sentence?" -- He posted "The leaking tap resulting in wastage of water." as an answer while I was typing up my own answer. Seeing his answer, I hastily added that "The leaking tap resulting in wastage of water." is incorrect because it's not a sentence.

I got a downvote as a result.

terdon

@DamkerngT. OK. So?

Damkerng T.

So, I ask you again, do you agree with his action?

terdon

12:18

I just don't see a problem here. Mods are just users. They downvote when they believe something to be wrong. We have no moral obligation to never be mistaken.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

How does another tag being bad justify leaving "grammar" alone? — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 12 secs ago

terdon

@DamkerngT. Yes. I agree that his answer was wrong but everybody makes mistakes.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. You can't know that it was him, though. 99% ≠ 100%

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That's true.

terdon

Obviously, he felt he was right so he downvoted. I just don't see how his being a mod makes any difference whatsoever.

And what @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M said. You just can't know. So don't assume.

Damkerng T.

12:19

@terdon Really? I think when a user sees a diamond in a comment or an answer, it makes a difference.

terdon

@DamkerngT. How is that relevant to voting? They see no diamonds in the votes.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Goes wondering how much much easier solving this would've been if the mods paid attention to chat

jimsug

Alright, I think no-one here is going to be persuaded from their respective arguments. Moderators can, and should, vote just like any other user. They don't get given any more or less votes than anyone else. Moderators are also not exempt from the serial voting script. If targeted voting occurs, the script is as likely to invalidate their votes as anyone else's votes.

Damkerng T.

You said "I just don't see how his being a mod makes any difference whatsoever."

jimsug

You also don't need to know the right answer to think an answer is bad anymore than you need to know how to drive well to think someone else can't drive. The voting and commenting makes a difference. You can't know who's voted on a post, ever. That's just how it is. Even mods can't see who has voted on a post.

terdon

12:20

Look, you guys run a site for English language learners. Obviously, you will have high rep users and mods who might make mistakes in English because they, just like you, are learners.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

BTW I got the frigging Marshal on chem. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ x 2000

terdon

@DamkerngT. I don't. Not when voting. I honestly don't understand how you would think otherwise. Should mods not downvote?

Damkerng T.

I believe that mods shouldn't be too stubborn, and should refrain from taking the wrong actions.

terdon

@DamkerngT. Absolutely. Again though, how does that translate to "mods shouldn't downvote"?

Damkerng T.

Mods shouldn't downvote "wrongly".

terdon

12:22

Obviously, whoever downvoted you (even if it was actually the mod) believed your answer was wrong.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. The action doesn't relate to modding ELL, so SE has nothing to do with it.

terdon

@DamkerngT. Who decides what's wrong?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah, piles of -1's are there for modding, but not random ones.

terdon

Piles? We're talking about 2! That's a grand total of -2 rep lost for Pete's sake!

Damkerng T.

@terdon So you're saying that bullying is not real, abusing power is not real?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:23

@terdon I didn't mean in this case, just generally.

terdon

@DamkerngT. No. I am saying that bullying and power abuse require that you use your greater strength against someone weaker. Downvoting does not require any type of mod power.

Damkerng T.

@terdon What I care wasn't my rep points; you're taking me the wrong way.

terdon

@DamkerngT. Good, because that would be just silly :)

You seem to be assuming that the mod voted out of spite. I don't see any reason to assume that. I find it far more likely that, if the mod did indeed downvote you, he did so because he honestly believed your answer was wrong.

If so, he should downvote. Just like you should downvote any and all wrong answers. That's essential for the good functioning of the site.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

BTW how great is getting a downvote after I commented on this answer?

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A: Is This Tag Useful? Episode 1 - The Big Boss (grammar)

The tag is indeed useful. There are many questions that ask for 'grammar' and not anything else. It's true that we have many sub-tags that further classify 'grammar' but that is fine. That is fine probably for those who know which specific problem it is called in their questions. It is something...

terdon

Now, mods are human and this mod is not a native English speaker so he can and he will make mistakes. Just like anyone else.

Damkerng T.

12:25

@terdon Probably because it wasn't the first time I felt that, and lots of other times didn't happen to me.

terdon

I just don't understand why you are assuming there was foul play here.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm annoyed too now, so I'll take @Dam's side.

terdon

Hey, the mod could be the embodiment of all evil for all I know. I've never interacted with him. All I'm saying is that mods can, should and do vote just like anyone else. Their votes are no different than yours, so being downvoted by a mod does not constitute power abuse or bullying in any way.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That I agree with.

Agreed +1 anyway! — Maulik V ♦ 12 mins ago

This is starting to become a childish game, and since games don't improve the quality of sites, I'm not gonna comment on his answer anymore.

terdon

Also, as a general rule, assuming downvotes came from person X is not a good idea. It is very easy to be wrong. It has often happened to me, for example. Some user thought I downvoted and got angry and I had done no such thing. That's why votes are secret.

Damkerng T.

12:28

@terdon Let's change the subject to something more general. Could you define "bullying" for me quickly, please? It doesn't have to be precise, I just want to know more about your idea.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@terdon Agreed.

terdon

Well, acting in a way that is calculated to make the target feel bad and you better, for example.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hey we scared off @Jim! Hooray!

Damkerng T.

@terdon So, bullying is, generally, indistinguishable from normal behavior, I suppose.

terdon

@DamkerngT. No, why? Bullying is behavior that is aggressive and calculated to make you feel better by putting others down, usually.

Damkerng T.

12:31

Then, how can we say that bullying exists?

terdon

If I think you are wrong and tell you so, I am not bullying. Whether I am correct in my thinking or not is irrelevant.

@DamkerngT. I don't understand.

> from Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License
n. An act of intimidating a weaker person to do something, especially such repeated coercion.
n. Persistent acts intended to make life unpleasant for another person.
v. Present participle of bully.
from the GNU version of the Collaborative International Dictionary of English
adj. Noisily domineering; tending to browbeat others.
from The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia
Insulting with threats; imperious; overbearing; blustering: as, a bullying manner.

Damkerng T.

I don't know if I get your idea right, but it seems to me that your opinion is that everything that happens on our stacks is always fair.

terdon

@DamkerngT. Of course not! Far from it!

Downvotes can be unfair. If, for example, they happen because someone doesn't like you. However, a downvote in and of itself, is not unfair in the least.

Damkerng T.

@terdon Then, how can we know which is which?

terdon

@DamkerngT. You usually can't, that's precisely my point. You seem to be assuming the downvoter voted based on his feeling towards you and not based on his opinion of your answer.

As far as I can tell, you have no evidence to back this up.

Damkerng T.

12:35

And because I have no solid evidence, it's not real?

terdon

Which is why it is rarely worth bothering about downvotes. Just look at your answer. If you feel it is correct, ignore the downvote. If you think it can be improved, do so.

@DamkerngT. No. Because you have no evidence, we have no way of knowing whether it is real or not and, therefore, can't really have an opinion one way or the other.

Damkerng T.

sigh -- I don't think it's that difficult for the ptb to check the two votes that were voted 6-8 hours ago.

terdon

@DamkerngT. And how would they know whether the vote was targeted? We can't read the voter's mind.

Yes, SE employees could find out who downvoted you. However, they would have no way of knowing why they downvoted.

So, by extension, they would have no way of judging whether the downvote was "correct" or not.

Damkerng T.

That's very true, which back to the same problem, should we or should we not deal with bullying on SE? Should we act as if it didn't exist? it feels to me that instead of trying to look into the problem, you're trying to shut me out.

terdon

@DamkerngT. Oh. Sorry, I am certainly not trying to shut you out!

I just don't see a problem. You have a downvote and you seem to assume that it was cast in bad faith. I still don't understand why.

What makes you think that the person who downvoted you had any ulterior motive other than believing your answer to be wrong?

Damkerng T.

12:41

@terdon Well, first, like I told you, I saw something similar happen before, not to myself, though, but as you said, I have no way to prove it.

terdon

You saw what you think is the mod downvoting someone else?

Damkerng T.

All we can see are what, votes, comments, answers, edits, and that's about it.

terdon

Yes.

Damkerng T.

But isn't it true that we normally could "feel" what's going on under the surface?

terdon

@DamkerngT. Not really, no. We often think we can but we can very often be wrong.

Look, do you agree that wrong answers should be downvoted?

Damkerng T.

12:43

I sort of agree. (You can check my stats to understand why I said so.)

terdon

Oh, wow. You really, really should downvote more!

Only 71 downvotes?

Please don't do that. Downvoting is essential and just as important as upvoting.

Damkerng T.

Yes, I reserve downvotes only for some serious cases.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I have less downvotes I think.

Again, the "coddling the poor learner" effect. Hey I should abbreviate that.

CTPL

terdon

@DamkerngT. Well, you shouldn't really. I mean, I don't downvote all that often either (on U&L I have 8,583 up and 210 down) but it is very important for the quality of the site.

Damkerng T.

I wish I had downvoted more, but I decided from the beginning that downvoting wasn't very productive when the site was still young.

And I don't want to change the tone of my voting much.

terdon

12:45

Which explains why you take them so seriously.

Downvotes are fully as important as upvotes.

Damkerng T.

Though admittedly, I try to downvote more often after our graduation.

terdon

Please always downvote an answer you consider wrong. Otherwise the whole system falls apart.

Damkerng T.

@terdon I think at least 30-50 of my downvotes were gone.

terdon

Gone?

Damkerng T.

I thought the downvote stats would be reset once the downvoted question or answer is deleted.

terdon

12:48

Ah, yes, they should be.

Anyway, the main point is that downvotes are a good thing, not a bad thing.

Damkerng T.

@terdon I didn't take it seriously because I got the downvotes. I was thinking about the site, the quality of the site as a whole.

terdon

So, if a user, mod or not, considers an answer to be wrong, they should downvote it.

@DamkerngT. Well, downvotes are essential for the site's quality.

Damkerng T.

@terdon nods -- I can see downvoting work quite well for larger communities.

terdon

Smaller ones as well.

Damkerng T.

Earlier, I almost always knew (or have a hunch, let's say) who voted who.

terdon

12:50

The site needs downvotes to indicate wrong answers and upvotes for correct ones. It can't function without both.

@DamkerngT. That's just it. You think you know. You could be right. You could also be wrong. That's the point: you just have no way of knowing.

Believe me, I've had this as a user and much more as a mod. I've asked the SE employees to check who voted because a user complained and they are wrong as often as they're right.

Damkerng T.

@terdon Like they say, ignorance is bliss. I think it sometimes is very true.

terdon

Indeed.

Not only can you never know who voted but, more importantly, you can't know why they voted. There is no reason to assume they voted for the wrong reasons.

Damkerng T.

@terdon Then again, I'm sure that you've seen retaliation or attempts to block other answers/answerers before.

terdon

Yes, of course.

But they are always hard to pin down.

Look, my main point here is that if the mod did downvote you and if he did so because he thought your answer was incorrect, then he was 100% right to do so. Whether or not he was correct in thinking your answer was wrong is another matter. If he felt it was wrong he should downvote it.

Mod abuse would be if he had used the tools available to him as a mod to do something. All he did was what any other user could have done.

I know that downvotes are annoying. You put effort into your answer and somebody comes along and tells you it's crap. However, they are just part of life in SEland.

Damkerng T.

@terdon This reminds me of something an ex-user (perhaps he still is a user, but he isn't active anymore, afaict), some users shouldn't've tried to gauge "X sounds good/bad to me", because their ears still aren't good enough to tell what sounds right and what sounds wrong.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

13:00

X sounds bad to me either.

terdon

@DamkerngT. Well, that's inevitable on a site for learners. Hell, English is such a chaotic language, even native speakers often get it wrong. You can't expect non-natives not to.

But that's precisely why downvotes are so important. The idea is that enough users will be right that the correct answer floats up to the top and the wrong one drops to the bottom.

That doesn't mean that people won't be wrong every now and then.

And yes, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, mods are people too :P

Damkerng T.

@terdon Come to think of it, I think that's another reason why the number of my downvotes is so low. When I'm not quite sure whether it's correct or not, I just wouldn't vote it, up or down.

terdon

@DamkerngT. That makes sense.

On the other hand, I have often been 100% sure that something was wrong and it turned out I was wrong myself. That happens.

I hate it when it happens but what can you do.

Damkerng T.

All in all, I believe that most of the problems I think we do have on ELL wouldn't be much a problem once we have more knowledgeable users. Like a lot more.

terdon

Sounds reasonable, yes.

On the other hand, it is also great to have a community of people who are learning, who aren't experts and just help each other out. The flip side of this is that you will sometimes get mistaken votes. A small price to pay for being able to interact with your peers though.

Damkerng T.

13:05

Not only mistaken votes, a lot of bad advice in answers as well.

For me, that's a bigger problem.

I wonder how well ELL can hold up out there against other language sites for learners.

terdon

@DamkerngT. Which is why downvotes are important ;)

Damkerng T.

@terdon I tried my best to vote (mostly upvote :-).

terdon

I'm sure you do. From what I understand, you're one of the users who has put the most effort into the site. Good for you! Every community needs its dedicated users.

Just don't assume the worst of the other users. Always consider that people are acting in good faith unless you have strong evidence to the contrary. I find that to be very useful ion the internet where we don't have any other cues to go on.

Damkerng T.

@terdon I can tell you that I've tried, but every one of us has their own limits, myself included.

I will keep saying "ignorance is bliss" to myself as many times as needed this evening. :D

terdon

@DamkerngT. That is very true. It is very easy for me to come in all holier than thou and tell you to be fair, I have no stake in the matter, I am an impartial observer. I don't claim to always be able to shrug things off like I suggest you do. All I'm saying is that is what should be done. Not that I am always capable of doing it :)

Stack Exchange

16:46

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Q: A proposed solution to the "grammar" dilemma -- Please contribute your answers to the "what is grammar" post

This is the follow-up of Is This Tag Useful? Episode 1 - The Big Boss (grammar). (i.e. intended to be the community decision on the matter, if people agree with the sentiments of this meta post) TL;DR I believe the opposite side has a point, while reaching the wrong conclusion. So I take all of...

discussion tags tag-cleaning

HarryCBurn

17:04

Hey everyone.

Or rather, no one.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@HarryCBurn Or rather, someone.

Damkerng T.

Or something. -- clank, clank, clank...

HarryCBurn

17:25

@DamkerngT. No, not the robots!

;p

Damkerng T.

:D

How is non-metalic stuff going?

HarryCBurn

Life?

Not shabby.

Planning on making a SMAW for airsoft.

Damkerng T.

Oh, is it safe?

HarryCBurn

Seems to be.

As long as ya get pressure rated PVC.

Oh, for them?

Damkerng T.

I know SMAW but not sure about airsoft.

HarryCBurn

17:31

Not sure in what way?

Damkerng T.

About how hurt is it going to be? :-)

HarryCBurn

Ah, right.

I can adjust pressure.

Change the FPS.

Even add an AV/Automatic Valve to stop it going over a certain FPS if I want.

c:

Could be a fun addition.

Damkerng T.

Cool!

HarryCBurn

Should be fun to make :P

Damkerng T.

It indeed sounds like fun. Much more powerful than stuff I've been playing with.

HarryCBurn

18:11

What's that?

Damkerng T.

20:16

@HarryCBurn A slingshot. :D

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