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04:41

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Q: Update, please, about ELL graduating from Beta

See What's keeping the site in beta, and what can we do to get it graduated? I'd appreciate an update, and an explanation of what the hold-up is. I have searched on SE, to no avail.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

05:42

@Phil Now that you can edit questions and answers freely, it's your right to edit whatever you want.

Previously you had to make substantial edits.

But now, you can edit anything you want, any amount you want.

If it's even one typo or just adding a blockquote, you can freely do it now.

As for reviewing, take a look at Meta Stack Exchange; and type in the search bar: "[faq] review" that should give you some good readings; and I'll come back with a gist of them.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Back on an actual computer?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes, but I'm about to leave.

Catija

I see how it is.

Damkerng T.

The new Google's favicon looks like a toy to me. I don't know if anyone thinks the same.

Catija

@DamkerngT. I like the old one better.

Damkerng T.

05:49

Me too.

Catija

@StackExchange By the way, I got out of bed to answer that question. "searched on SE" my ass...

Damkerng T.

I'm still making up my mind on that.^

Catija

The font looks like it came out of a child's penmanship book.

Damkerng T.

(^_^)

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Q: About article before position of job

I want to ask about a article before a position of job, because I have problem for using it. My sentence looks that: My position was the/a/an/none e-shop back-end and front-end software developer.

grammar

A borderline proofreading, perhaps?

looking for my old post on guidelines for article usage...

Catija

@DamkerngT. It's infinitely better than the first version he posted.

Damkerng T.

06:02

Indeed! I just saw the deleted one.

Damkerng T.

06:42

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Q: Articles in brackets

My task was to design and implement the the/a company "laboratory" model (the/a small social network for shop customers). I am confused about using articles on the top sentence.

grammar articles

> My task was to design and implement the company laboratory model (the small social network for shop customers).

Really?

Catija

I'm not certain what he means by that, so ...

Damkerng T.

Maybe, maybe not. Definitely not the best way to phrase the sentence.

nods

I still can't relate "model" to "social network".

Maybe the social network is called Laboratory Model.

This is exactly one of my concerns I posted as candidate questions.

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A: 2015 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

ELL welcomes answers written by both native and non-native speakers. Both native and non-native speakers have their own strengths and weaknesses. Sometimes answers written by a non-native speaker can be insightful, but sometimes it is not quite correct, or worse, just plain wrong. What is your o...

It's got one downvote, so apparently, someone doesn't want to answer or see someone have to answer the question.

Or in their opinion, it's not a problem.

Maybe I should write a proposal on Area 51 or something. I've had this idea for maybe a year already. It's an idea about a stack for proofreading. :-)

Catija

07:04

@DamkerngT. I think someone just posted a proofreading proposal a few days ago...

Damkerng T.

Oh!

Catija

He was talking about it in Meta and I told him that he could make a proposal for it.

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/90644/proofreading

Looks like SE didn't like it though, and trashed it.

My guess is that they've gotten that one before and they don't like it much.

Damkerng T.

I can't find any such proposal on Area 51. -- Ahh... -- If you run into that guy again, tell him about me.

I think it could work, if it's done right.

The problem is it's very easy to do it the wrong way.

Catija

@Catija I have followed your advice and created a (likely controversial) proposal. — Dog Lover Aug 30 at 22:16

Damkerng T.

A-ha! It was our Dog Lover!

Catija

07:08

He just made it... two days ago and it got deleted...

Damkerng T.

Wait, that was very fast!

There are other sites specifically for proofreading, like Lang-8. Proofreading doesn't really fit the question and answer format of Stack Exchange sites, because not too many folks benefit from a particular proofreading question. — ColleenV May 22 at 13:15

This is a strong, and valid argument against a proofreading stack.

But actually, I believe a lot of folks could benefit from proofreading questions.

(If it's done right.)

Catija

@DamkerngT. Yeah, SE questions need to benefit more than only the person who asks it... if only one person gets anything from the question, then it's not useful to anyone... that's the SE code, anyway.

The other argument against it is that it's extremely subjective. Two different people can proofread the same text and get completely different results.

Damkerng T.

At the very basic level, I think we can agree that reading proofreading asked and made by others on a site such as Lang-8 can be a great benefit for a learner.

@Catija That too. But on other stacks (along with SO, SF, etc.) users can pitch their solutions to get the job (the question) done, and these codes come in different styles.

I think the big problem is, can we make the benefit of reading proofreading of others more obvious to everyone?

Catija

I don't see why anyone would ever search for questions that already exist on the site... If it's not my chunk of text, why would it matter? Remember, a proofreading SE wouldn't be for ELLs only... Just my thoughts. I use SE really differently than I think a lot of people do, so I could be totally wrong.

Damkerng T.

That's a good point. My idea about the proofreading proposal is only for ELLs.

And even though our texts are unique, it's often that we (the learners) share similar problems and similar needs.

Maybe the proposal should be named "ELL Writers". :D

Nathan Tuggy

07:24

@Catija Keep in mind, though, that Code Review works, and works well, despite having what at first blush looks awfully localized and rather subjective topic matter. (They graduated before we did.)

Damkerng T.

Hello, @NathanTuggy!

Nathan Tuggy

Hey, Dam! I should get to bed soon, but for mysterious reasons decided to stop in and see what was up

Damkerng T.

Hehe! And what else you could see, but my "ELL Writers/Proofreading" proposal idea. :P

Catija

@DamkerngT. That would probably have a better chance of success... they have a lot of stuff more in that vein.

@NathanTuggy I don't know anything about them. :?

Nathan Tuggy

@Catija Basically SO Proofreading.

"Here is why your code is slow. Here are security issues. Here's some general naming improvements you can make for maintainability."

Catija

07:29

@NathanTuggy Oh... so "my code won't work can someone tell me where I messed up?"

Nathan Tuggy

Nah, that's regular SO. Code Review is when your code does work, it just doesn't necessarily quite meet a good standard in other ways.

Damkerng T.

@NathanTuggy I should look into that stack. It sounds like they've solved many problems I was thinking about.

Nathan Tuggy

(Although SO doesn't exactly thrill to every "plzsenddebugs", either)

@DamkerngT. Yeah, I think their meta has some good stuff.

Catija

@NathanTuggy Ah. Hmmm.

You know, I was just looking at the Japanese site... and I think it's interesting... ELL is all English... but Japanese is English with Japanese... despite them serving the same purpose, but for different languages.

Damkerng T.

I think French SE uses both French and English, and Spanish SE encourages users to write in Spanish.

Catija

07:36

But if someone writes in a language other than English here, we smack them on the head and say "bad learner". :P

Damkerng T.

Hehe! That's probably true. :P

Catija

I mostly find it interesting how English-centric everything is.

Damkerng T.

In any case, I remember that I've seen French, Spanish, Hindi, and Persian texts (or transliterations of the texts) on ELL.

Oh, and Korean and Chinese (probably Mandarin) too, of course.

Not very sure, but perhaps Japanese too.

Catija

Ah, time for sleep! Have a great day!

Damkerng T.

But these are rare.

Ah, good night!

Nathan Tuggy

07:43

Night, Catija!

"@NathanTuggy I don't think you get the site's question policy." -- perfection.

Damkerng T.

Do we have a user named "perfection"?

Nathan Tuggy

Hmm? No. I was just saying how amazing that quote is.

(Just ran into that on a first question.)

I mean... OK. Make your case, but ... that's gonna be a tough assertion to really prove!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:57

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11:58

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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:59

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Damkerng T.

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Damkerng T.

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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

G'night!

Damkerng T.

Hee

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:59

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Q: What are the review queues, and how do they work?

I see a "review" link on the top of the page, which takes me to a few "review queues". What is a "review queue"? What are the various queues for? What can I do in each queue? Return to FAQ index

support faq review

@Phil take a look at that. ^

The point is, you shouldn't worry much about reviewing right, s long as you have good intentions and want to help the quality of the site grow.

Hmm, ELLection's stats are way better than chem's.

Maybe because it has more users and more drama.

I'm expecting 300 people to vote till the end of the election.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M that's what I'm trying to say. No user is 'rude' on his very first post/comment. It's our response to their comment/post that provokes them. I added this point in my answer. — Maulik V 7 hours ago

< empty face >

I already gave up in making him realize he's not making a point.

BTW @Dam in this comment:

Third, as a mod noone should apply rules based on user reputation. Everyone should be treated equally, no matter how slight the issue is. (And new users can't comment) And given that Maulik isn't really planning anything for chat I'm also inclined to downvote, but I won't. Furthermore, I don't think your interaction with ELU and your first impression, though it was their fault I agree, calls for healthy cooperation with their mods. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M yesterday

I wanted to add "dura lex sed lex", but I didn't.

Damkerng T.

Good, good.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Chem is 91 questions away from 10k questions.

Damkerng T.

Yay!

Aaron

12:27

Good morning

Damkerng T.

Morning!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Morning!

Damkerng T.

14:20

But rickrolling would be that you are the one that is rickrolling someone else, not that you are the one being rickrolled. — rewobs 4 mins ago

Need help!

I don't know much about rickrolling.

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A: "You could being controlled without your acknowledgment" is a well-formed sentece?

Could (or any other modal) requires an infinitive complement You could be rickrolled and the progressive passive requires two BEs: You are being rickrolled (or BE + GET: You are getting rickrolled) So the modal progressive passive is You could be {being / getting} rickrolled

Saved by StoneyB!

Aaron

@Araucaria NP?

tchrist

@Catija Yes, the lang.SE sites are in English plus lang, while the lang.SO sites are in lang alone.

Anonymous

15:15

@Catija You can ask questions in Japanese on Japanese.SE, but people don't do it very often.

Anonymous

The most popular site for Japanese language Q&A in Japanese is 知恵袋.

Anonymous

Some users argued rather forcefully early on in the history of Japanese.SE that all Q&A should be in English. These days, people seem more or less in favor of letting people post questions in Japanese if they like, and sometimes people provide Japanese translations on questions to make the site more accessible to native speakers, but it does seem like the site's going to remain largely in English at this point.

Anonymous

15:29

@DamkerngT. I don't like their 'e' :-(

Damkerng T.

@snailboat It's tilted purposely!

Anonymous

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tchrist

15:51

@snailboat That's interesting. Portuguese.SE is much more in Portuguese than in English right now at its start, probably due to Portuguese.SO. Spanish.SE is still more half-and-half.

Perhaps it is the difficulty of non-Japanese people to write in something other than romaji?

Catija

@snailboat I wasn't implying that you couldn't... I was actually interested in the opposite case... why it's not required to post in Japanese only. Certainly not everyone in the world who wants to learn Japanese, speaks English! :D I'm not saying it should be different, just find it interesting.

Phil