ELL's Cabin

Damkerng T.

15:00

I wonder who's next. @Catija

StoneyB

@Catija Oh yes: note the screen-name "Nathan Cunty Tggy"

jimsug

@Catija Hmm. They're probably not going to make the same mistake of saying they're underage.

Catija

@StoneyB Which just changed... that's not what it was before.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Sigh

jimsug

@Catija yeah. Hmm

StoneyB

15:02

Ready aim flag

jimsug

I've custom flagged.

Catija

And I don't think @NathanTuggy was even involved in the Elvis thing... so I guess it must be an election troll.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@jimsug Me too.

@Catija Guess it's real scandals going on.

StoneyB

@Catija And the troll hasn't targeted me, though I was the second one into the Elvis fray.

Catija

We should ignore him... don't engage at all other than to do voting stuff, close voting/down voting and flagging. Don't comment.

@StoneyB Good point.

StoneyB

15:05

@Catija Likewise.

jimsug

Could we just get one more downvote on it to hide it from the front page?

Catija

@jimsug It's gone.

jimsug

Hey @Adam

Adam

'Lo

jimsug

I suppose you got drawn in because of that question?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:06

@Adam \o

Catija

Hi @Adam

Adam

And the work day is starting....

jimsug

Ah.

Catija

YAY! Bluefeet to the rescue again!

jimsug

But yes, we've observed a series of these users over the last couple of days.

destroyed

sigh

still though

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:08

@Adam if you see a user with a name close to that of an election candidate, please just flag their post and move on. It's a troll.

jimsug

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Well. There are users called jim

Catija

Particularly if the question involves "is this offensive".

Adam

I have moved on.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@jimsug If you saw a user named jimsugg or jimsoug or a combination of those, then that's your imposter.

jimsug

sssh, don't give him ideas :P this chatroom is public.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:10

But hey, don't blame me for having a common username.

Goes to make an account named Jimzug

jimsug

jimwug

I would almost allow that.

omg

Adam

Jizzmug?

jimsug

why is my username not jimwug

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M But his doppelganger account of you was identical in name, wasn't it?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija They're getting more proficient.

Catija

15:11

@Adam Oh, wow... that would be bad. Funny... but bad.

Adam

At least it would be easy to spot as a troll.

jimsug

Seems to be that they start off with an innocent username

then they change it to something else.

Catija

Yeah. Sounds about right.

jimsug

The question is always about something offensive, but composed to seem innocuous enough.

StoneyB

@jimsug They do the same with their posts.

jimsug

15:13

0

Q: what does “cunt” mean? Is it good or bad to be cunt

what does "cunt" mean? can you explain what does it mean ? why is used too often can you help me please How to Format ► put returns between paragraphs ► for linebreak add 2 spaces at end ► italic or bold ► quote by placing > at start of line ► to make links

meaning-in-context

gdi

Catija

Ugh. I thought the trolls were supposed to stop when school starts for the semester... not go up.

jimsug

on the other hand, if they keep it up, I might just get my Deputy badge before this election is over ;P

Catija

@jimsug Same. There's so rarely any content to flag.

StoneyB

A vote of thanks, by the way, to @bluefeet for being on top of this.

3

jimsug

@Catija race you :P

@StoneyB I would actually ping @bluefeet, but that seems like it'd be a distraction more than anything.

Catija

15:17

@jimsug What are you at right now? I'm only at 52... I think.

jimsug

57. But I will need to sleep at some point.

Catija

@jimsug Well, he likely will, too... you're... in the great pacific islands? I don't know if that's a thing but I don't like accusing a New Zealander of being Australian... or the other way around.

jimsug

Australian.

Sydney.

Catija

@jimsug Oooh... fun. I hear they have a decent opera house. ;)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh. That city with weird buildings

jimsug

15:20

Hello @Stephie

Hmm. Was one of the earlier socks called stephie?

Or was it jamie?

Stephie

@jimsug Hi! And hi everyone else!

jimsug

Not that I'm accusing you of being a sock, I've already checked you out ;)

Catija

@jimsug Jamie... but I'm not sure that was a sock... but maybe it was. I was asleep for that one.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Jim what's the shape of the building you live in?

@Stephie Hullo!

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Clearly every building in Sydney is shaped like sailboat sails...

jimsug

15:21

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M like a rectangular prism with a rectangular prism removed from the center.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Sad I thought he would say the building looks like Shakespeare.

Catija

@jimsug Ooooh, you have a big atrium? Are you in an apartment building? Does it have a garden in the middle?

jimsug

-3

Q: what is difference between screw and f*ck a a girl?

what is difference between screw and f*ck a a girl? Is has something to do with positions ? if you fuck someone in doggystyle how can you call it

word-difference

@Catija Wow, yes. Good guess.

And also, yay, free flags, I guess.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

The chat transcript for today is indeed charming.

I'm not sure if @snail will want to read it.

jimsug

Are we best off flagging as offensive so they get auto-deleted?

Stephie

15:23

Someone got pissed off by @NathanTuggy, I guess. Downvoted, VTC.

Catija

@jimsug :D YAY!

StoneyB

He's getting desperate now.

Adam

Does a sufficient number of offensive flags delete without mod intervention?

Catija

@StoneyB This is already a second account for Nathan... Maybe he has run out of names to attack.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm wondering what this has to do with the election.

jimsug

15:24

@Adam yes, six, iirc

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Jim can you tell Bluefeet to check the IP and see if it matches the IP of any ELL user?

I mean, any other ELL user.

Catija

@jimsug Six is certainly the correct number for spam, so that would make sense in the case of offensive, too.

Adam

There are 8 of us in here, and 10 downvotes. I can't see flag counts, but how can it not be closed yet?

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That would be really crappy... I hope it's not someone who's a user of the site.

Adam

Never mind. It is now.

Catija

15:26

YAY! More people!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

NOW WE'RE TALKING.

ArtOfCode

More people, more mods. You got linked :)

jimsug

It's been rather slow, though.

So you may not see a lot of action.

tchrist

We can offensive-flag these into oblivion if there are enough of us.

jimsug

In the mean time I think we were talking about Sydney architecture

Catija

15:28

Yeah, there was just a flurry, but it comes and goes.

@jimsug Indeed.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

DEAR MODS, UNITE.

ArtOfCode

We do :)

Zizouz212

Dear everyone! Help me!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And then could you ask an SE dev to look into this?

ArtOfCode

How many's that? 4 mods?

jimsug

15:28

Sydney Opera House

The Sydney Opera House is a multi-venue performing arts centre in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. Situated on Bennelong Point in Sydney Harbour, close to the Sydney Harbour Bridge, the facility is adjacent to the Sydney central business district and the Royal Botanic Gardens, between Sydney and Farm Coves. Designed by Danish architect Jørn Utzon, the facility formally opened on 20 October 1973, by Queen Elizabeth II, with members of the British Royal family in attendance after a gestation beginning with Utzon's 1957 selection as winner of an international design competition. The Government...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm a potential mod.

Catija

My parents are both architects, so that's how I can immediately recognize a description of an apartment block with a central garden :P

ArtOfCode

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M We've got the CMs on the case, checking IPs and cross references

jimsug

Sadly, my name is not Sydney Opera.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ArtOfCode Thanks!

@jimsug It's Jimsug S Opera?

StoneyB

15:29

@Zizouz212 Welcome to Chat, Zizouz212. What can we do for you?

jimsug

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M yeah, I've been keeping bluefeet in the loop.

ArtOfCode

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You're running?

jimsug

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M If only.

Catija

@Zizouz212 What's up?

Adam

Are there any cool wind or acoustic effects when you're walking around the outside of Sydney Opera House?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:29

@ArtOfCode I'm walking.

Damkerng T.

Yay! We have more help!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well I think ELL is the most dramatic SE of all. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

Zizouz212

@Catija Would you be interested in Urban Planning

jimsug

Should've seen the wave of spam that hit Travel SE earlier today.

ArtOfCode

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I'd vote, if I had 150 rep.

Did anyone else just get logged out of chat?

Zizouz212

15:30

Anyways, about that, I can't get onto an SE site, my email has been hacked, and I'm scared for my life.

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Heh. Overreactions FTW.

Damkerng T.

Hah!

jimsug

@ArtOfCode Nah, but I did earlier when pt.so and meta.so went down.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ArtOfCode I heard someone in the Tavern say that.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode I'm scared!

ArtOfCode

15:31

@jimsug Wasn't around then

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Maybe you should write a meta post or something.

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 I've checked all your histories, you're fine

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

But for once the bug isn't affecting me. O.o

Catija

@Zizouz212 Actually, when I was at UT originally, I was an "undeclared liberal arts" major while I was trying to get into the Film School... my backup plan if I didn't get into the film school was Urban Planning.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode I'm not fine! I'm scared for my life!

Catija

15:32

@ArtOfCode Not me.

Zizouz212

Cool :)

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Because your email got hacked. Yeah, that's life-threatening ;)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Zizouz212 You're shrieking. I can tell that from your avatar. Use CAPS MOAR.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode SE can be destroyed!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

So can Earth. Pfft.

Zizouz212

15:32

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I am a blue blob, unique because I'm... unique. :)

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 And I'll un-destroy it. Change your password, preferably change your SE login email.

jimsug

@Zizouz212 Well, some of SE

Catija

ell.stackexchange.com/questions/66012/… no one box

Zizouz212

@jimsug All of SE!

ArtOfCode

@Catija Damn, that went quick.

Zizouz212

15:33

@jimsug Didn't you tell me to change my password before?

jimsug

@ArtOfCode And that is what happens when you alert people :P

Catija

@ArtOfCode They're getting a lot worse.

Damkerng T.

I think it was the fourth or the fifth this evening (my local time).

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Guyses, please don't let the chat message onebox the link. @Jim @Cat It makes the transcript look, a bit ugly.

ArtOfCode

I'm looking at Ziz's account history and IPs right now... nothing.

jimsug

15:33

@Zizouz212 I tell everyone to change their passwords all the time.

Zizouz212

Did you tell me yesterday?

Because I think I kind of forgot...

jimsug

I can go through and delete them all later.

ArtOfCode

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Edited

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Zizouz212 Change your password all the time.

Zizouz212

Yeah, let me go do that right now...

jimsug

15:34

Unique passwords everywhere, and 2FA everywhere you can

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ArtOfCode ༼♥ل͜♥༽

Zizouz212

I need to find my phone...

ArtOfCode

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Mod power :D

jimsug

> Become a mod, edit messages from three minutes ago :P

Damkerng T.

The chosen tag in the last one is interesting. It was elizabethan-english.

ArtOfCode

15:35

@Zizouz212 @Ziz try something for me. Get your phone, and get on SE via a cell data connection instead of wifi.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode I don't have data...

jimsug

@ArtOfCode What do you mean?

Catija

@DamkerngT. Yeah, that was an odd choice. I think he's trying to make them look legit on the surface.

jimsug

>.>

ArtOfCode

@jimsug What do what mean?

jimsug

15:36

lel

mod shenanigans

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

So many blue names on the right. （｀〇Д〇）

Zizouz212

Guys...

ArtOfCode

@jimsug Hint hint: I can still see the message history. There's a big orange button there, though.

Zizouz212

I'M SCARED!

jimsug

I know

It's not important :P

Zizouz212

15:36

> Your password was changed less than an hour ago.

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 RUN AWAY AND HIDE YOU'RE GOING TO DIE BECAUSE SE GOT HACKED INTO AND IT CAN BE UNDONE ;)

jimsug

@Zizouz212 was that you?

Zizouz212

@jimsug Um, no

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hee.

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 That's slightly more of a reason to worry.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:37

I confess. I hacked into my SE account once.

Zizouz212

Yeah...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

0

Q: Should this be singular or plural?

I'm trying to figure out if "individuals" should have the s or no s at the end? Thank you! Commit to Green inspires individuals to participate in initiatives that drive sustainable change.

grammar

Releases the handbrake

jimsug

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That one's probably okay, isn't it?

ArtOfCode

Yeah, no obvious problem there

Adam

Can we flag that as inoffensive and non-abusive?

Catija

15:39

Oh, wow... an actual question. huh.

jimsug

lel

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes, that's why my flag weapon is disarmed.

jimsug

puts the safety on

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Adam Flag it as "a question".

ArtOfCode

@Ziz Waterloo, Canada ring any bells? There's a login event from there, Jul 13

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:39

I think that's what we should do.

jimsug

@Adam It's called upvoting :P

Catija

@jimsug Um... pretty sure we don't know what that is here.

Adam

Oh yeah....I remember that type of interaction now.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Yep, I used to live in Waterloo, and I think I visited over there before heading to Europe

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 That's OK then

jimsug

15:40

@Catija I read about it in the ELL Annals.

Catija

Have you looked at my voting history? It's abysmal... I'm such crap at voting.

jimsug

A long-forgotten, old and dusty text.

Zizouz212

Who can I trust with my life?

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Me :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Zizouz212 Me.

jimsug

15:41

Hello @Aaron

Aaron

Good morning.

ArtOfCode

Afternoon

Catija

@Zizouz212 Not me. I'm not a good caretaker of lives.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Evening!

Zizouz212

Geez

Morning :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:42

Wow. We're attracting people from around the ~~globe~~ SE.

Catija

Um... Good...day? I suppose it's still before noon but...

Zizouz212

Oh nah, I've got a second account :/

Catija

@Zizouz212 But this one is a mod account... no?

Aaron

I had a question.

Zizouz212

@Catija Nah, just a second email, it's not on SE

ArtOfCode

15:42

Basically all mods have socks

Zizouz212

> When did you create your Google Account? (Required)

I don't know that!

jimsug

@Zizouz212 I think you can guess

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Random time.

jimsug

Like a rough time period

Catija

@Aaron We had answers.... but we don't have any any more... fresh out.

Damkerng T.

15:43

@Aaron Ask away.

Zizouz212

Alright, think...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Zizouz212 This century.

Answer.

jimsug

impostor: ell.stackexchange.com/questions/66014/…

Aaron

I am used to other Stack Exchange sites but this one may be slightly different due to it's nature. I want to answer This Question Would this answer be ok or do I need more detail/better examples?

jimsug

But... the post isn't offensive?

Aaron

15:44

You have four examples due to how the words are being used differently in each case.

The most common use and spelling is "brute force" meaning someone is using raw strength to get through something. For example. "Greg used brute force to open the stuck door."

Below is an explanation of the different formats you found. I have also linked to an article about hyphens and why they are used sometimes and not other times.

brute-force: This is hyphenated because in the Wiki article "brute" and "force" are both being used as adjectives to describe "attack".

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@jimsug It's abusive,

jimsug

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M true.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@jimsug It's abusive.

Stupid chat.

Catija

@Aaron looks pretty good to me.

Aaron

Article I link to in the last line

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:45

Quick and dirty tips is a good site.

Adam

If I was going to provide a link to an article, I would also try to summarize briefly the parts relevant to this particular question, but post anyway

Aaron

@Catija Ok. I wasn't sure of the general language level. I figured it would be better to ask first to get a feel of the site.

@Adam I can edit that in.

Damkerng T.

@Aaron Looks good to me too. Don't forget to include that link in your answer. ;-)

Catija

@Adam You might consider linking to the website of or wikipedia article about the companies you mention.

Adam

The language level is quite varied

Damkerng T.

15:46

nods

Adam

@Catija ?

Aaron

@DamkerngT. It is in my answer it just didn't copy over.

Catija

@Aaron We don't expect answers to be grammatically perfect. :) Many of our answers come from Learners and we can nudge them a bit if it's not central to the answer content.

Aaron

@Catija They are all in the question.

Zizouz212

Eek. 5500 unread messages

Of which 4000 are from myself and have the following exact message:

hello there!

Catija

15:48

@Aaron Oh, gotcha.

@Zizouz212 Target email for testing a machine?

Stephie

@Aaron Go for it!

Adam

@Zizouz212 Nice to see that you and you are on speaking terms again.

Zizouz212

I have no clue...

Yep "D

Damkerng T.

@Aaron I see. But if your answer is based on it, I'd recommend saying so. You can summary your source, boil it down a bit, and link to your source, too.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Zizouz212 hello there!

Zizouz212

15:49

Hallo!

jimsug

@jimsug hello there

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hullo!

Aaron

@DamkerngT. I am adding a summary now. It is already so compact though I am having difficulty breaking it down more.

StoneyB

@Aaron Excellent answer. Post it and I'll upvote it.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Long time no see! How're you?

@StoneyB He has posted it already.

Damkerng T.

15:50

@Aaron +1 from me.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I've +1'd alright.

jimsug

C'mon, 11 more flags for Deputy.

Zizouz212

You can do it!

jimsug

I actually can't.

Zizouz212

I can get back to SE!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:53

Too bad I'm far away from Marshal.

@Zizouz212 Buy everyone ice cream.

Zizouz212

Sure. I can bake cookies too!

Catija

@jimsug 11? I thought you had 57...

jimsug

wait

:P

wrong dialog

Catija

I think I'm getting my badges confused.

jimsug

ArtOfCode

15:55

@jimsug Aha, you use Firefox, am I right?

jimsug

@ArtOfCode ... maybe. Why?

Yeah, I do.

But what made you say that?

ArtOfCode

Merely noticing :)

I looked at your screenshot and said "Firefox" to myself.

Zizouz212

How on earth do you know that?

ArtOfCode

Aha, secrets secrets

Zizouz212

I think it's just creepiness

Adam

15:57

Uh oh. Actual works calls. Enjoy the trolls, everyone.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I think it's 'cause the font width.

user116848

Hi all!

Catija

hi @Arrowfar

user116848

Whoa everyone is here. Nice.

Catija

Meh... ell.stackexchange.com/questions/66016/the-usage-of-do-up

user116848

15:58

Hi @Catija!

jimsug

@ArtOfCode The radio buttons are different...

ArtOfCode

@jimsug Damn, he knows my secret

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well the reason for why they're here isn't so nice.

@ArtOfCode I think it's still 'cause the font width.

It looks different in Chrome.

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