ELL's Cabin

Jude Niroshan

05:00

Good Morning!

Damkerng T.

05:14

Morning!

Jude Niroshan

little can be safely deduced from these figures will the 'little' become the subject in this sentence? what does this sentence actually means?

Damkerng T.

It means what it says. Let's try something simpler.

> Little was done.

It roughly means, what was done was (so) little.

Jude Niroshan

ok. so if someone has done some small work and trying to explain it while exagerating it; can i jump out of my seat and say, "Well, little can be safely deduced with my explaination on this."

Damkerng T.

@JudeNiroshan It's an explanation given by someone else, isn't it?

You haven't explained anything, so saying anything about your explanation is very odd.

Jude Niroshan

No, after that sentence i'm going to start the explanation. Is it good to start of with that sentence ?
*Well, little can be safely deduced with my explaination on this*

Damkerng T.

05:28

Still sounds a bit odd. A better way to phrase it is Well, little can be safely deduced from your explanation in my humble opinion.

Deduce usually goes with from. Saying deduce ... with may confuse your listener.

Jude Niroshan

@DamkerngT. oh I see

deduced from your or deduced on your ?

Damkerng T.

from

We deduce something from some other things.

Jude Niroshan

ok

ASR

06:20

Hi Guys good morning

Jude Niroshan

morning!

ASR

@JudeNiroshan vanakkam :)

@JudeNiroshan what do you do buddy?

do you watch cricket?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M thank you.

Jude Niroshan

@ASR I'm not much obliged to talk in Tamil; it's really uncomfortable for me.

@ASR I'm at office ; and you?

@ASR I used to watch those before like 3 years back. I was an active cricket fan but now i'm packed up with many work (office and my studies)

Damkerng T.

@ASR Morning! Welcome back!

ASR

@JudeNiroshan ok fine,

@DamkerngT. how are you today.

Damkerng T.

06:30

Good. How are you?

ASR

@DamkerngT. not good, i dnt like what i am doing

:(

Damkerng T.

Aww... What are you doing at the moment?

Jude Niroshan

@ASR what's the matter?

ASR

@DamkerngT. Thinking to change company

Damkerng T.

India is a big workplace. More choices for developers and tough competition, I believe.

ASR

06:36

@JudeNiroshan I love coding in java, but I am doing html,css, jquery

Jude Niroshan

@ASR Web development future is yours ! Embrace it !

ASR

@JudeNiroshan are you a developer?

@DamkerngT. yes

Jude Niroshan

@ASR yes. I'm also at the edge of changing my workplace

@ASR but most of the time i'm doing Data Entry work :(

ASR

@JudeNiroshan good

@Dharmaraju welcome :)

Dharma raju

thank u @ASR

Damkerng T.

06:43

BTW, there is a recent blog post stating that grammar is related to your success: blog.alinelerner.com/lessons-from-a-years-worth-of-hiring-data.

Welcome to the room, @Dharmaraju!

Dharma raju

Thak U Damkerng T

Thanku

Jude Niroshan

@DamkerngT. seriously it does

Damkerng T.

nods -- It's not very recent post, but Jeff Atwood tweeted it a couple days ago.

Santhosh Kumar

09:16

hi to all..

Damkerng T.

Hello, @SanthoshKumar! Welcome to the room!

Anonymous

Welcome to ELL chat!

Santhosh Kumar

thank you.

i am newbie to english. could you guide me to improve my english

Anonymous

Using the language a lot should help :-)

Santhosh Kumar

:)

Jude Niroshan

09:18

@SanthoshKumar welcome !

Santhosh Kumar

@JudeNiroshan thank you

Anonymous

@SanthoshKumar I don't really have very much specific guidance to give . . .

Anonymous

But if you need help with something specific, you can ask on ELL! And we can try to help here in chat, too.

Damkerng T.

I wish I could add something, but snailboat's said almost all there is to say. :-)

Anonymous

Do you have any specific goals? Like, are you trying to get better at English so you can use it at work to talk about programming?

Santhosh Kumar

09:24

understood

Anonymous

I see you have an account on Stack Overflow

Santhosh Kumar

@snailboat ya want to improve my english

Anonymous

Well, that's a very general goal. I'm sure you can do it, though! :-)

Santhosh Kumar

@snailboat yes i am programmer

Anonymous

Sometimes it helps to come up with some more specific goals. They can be big goals or little goals.

Damkerng T.

09:27

nods -- A journeyman can reach their destination easier when they have a specific destination in mind.

Anonymous

Sometimes if you start with a big goal, you can divide it up into smaller steps. Little goals that help you toward your big goal

Santhosh Kumar

@DamkerngT. Nice

@snailboat where you from?

Anonymous

If you're excited about programming, maybe you could read books about programming in English and talk about those topics in English :-)

Anonymous

I live in the United States. I'm in California.

Santhosh Kumar

oh great

Anonymous

09:29

Chatting is good, too. Every little bit of practice helps!

Anonymous

I'm a native speaker of English. I'm learning other languages though. I'm learning Japanese!

Santhosh Kumar

why do you learn japanese

are you going to settle in japan

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Why do you learn English?

Anonymous

@SanthoshKumar I'm not sure. Right now I'm happy living in the US.

Anonymous

I love the language, though.

Santhosh Kumar

09:31

ha ha ha.. because English is everywhere

Anonymous

I don't really have any particular goals for Japanese anymore, though. I don't know why I'm learning it.

Santhosh Kumar

great..

Anonymous

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M @DamkerngT. @JudeNiroshan Do you all have reasons for learning the languages you're learning?

Damkerng T.

English is special in several ways.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I don't. I mean do. I mean no. I mean yes.

Jude Niroshan

09:34

@snailboat English is a one pole in the ladder of success; for me

Santhosh Kumar

difficult to answer

Anonymous

@JudeNiroshan Makes sense!

Anonymous

English is a global language these days.

Damkerng T.

But for some other languages I'm trying to learn, some are just for fun, some are because I have a specific purpose in mind, at least in the near future.

Anonymous

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You're funny. :-)

Jude Niroshan

09:36

Language is the interpreter of your knowledge; though you have many qualifications, measurable one is linguistic skill.

Anonymous

I know some people are learning English who don't actually like English.

Anonymous

They learn English because they think they need to, not because they want to.

Anonymous

I like all languages :-)

Jude Niroshan

@snailboat When we first set to goal need to , when you do it seriously, it will become want to

Damkerng T.

@snailboat That makes it easier to learn, eh? -- I wanna eh? for a while, BTW. :-)

Anonymous

09:38

@DamkerngT. That use of ", eh?" works!

Damkerng T.

@JudeNiroshan I think that's true for many of us.

Jude Niroshan

@SanthoshKumar from the point you give a variable name; your english matters

Anonymous

I think that the trick to learning something is to make yourself interested in it. Very interested. So interested you want to find out everything you can! Interest helps you stay focused, motivates you and helps you keep working at learning.

Jude Niroshan

@DamkerngT. I believe in it. I think i'm at the transformation period :D

Damkerng T.

@JudeNiroshan Nice! I'm sure you will improve a lot real soon.

Santhosh Kumar

09:43

@JudeNiroshan sorry i could not understood what you mean

Jude Niroshan

@DamkerngT. your last post was very interesting; at some point it makes me pessimistic cos; most of the goals which i have; proven them as useless ones.

Anonymous

So to get better at English, you can pick something you like to motivate you:
・ I love action movies! I want to watch action movies in English and understand everything!
・ Programming fascinates me! I want to read about and discuss computer science as much as I can.
・ Chatting is fun. I want to chat with English speakers and practice so I can sound more natural!
I don't know what you like. These are just examples.

Jude Niroshan

like having a good grade in degree

Damkerng T.

@JudeNiroshan There is more than just the goal, but to have a clear path, you need a clear goal anyway. Having a clear goal helps you see your progress clearly, see if it's realistic, if it needs to be readjusted, and so on.

Santhosh Kumar

@snailboat recently I listening English podcast. is it going to improve my english

Damkerng T.

09:47

@SanthoshKumar I think @JudeNiroshan meant good code needs good variable names.

@SanthoshKumar From my own experience, it will.

Anonymous

@SanthoshKumar Sure! Podcasts are great.

Santhosh Kumar

@DamkerngT. yes, understood

Anonymous

What podcasts do you listen to?

Santhosh Kumar

real life english

@snailboat esl podcast

Anonymous

Ahh

Damkerng T.

09:51

Probably here: reallifeglobal.com

Santhosh Kumar

@snailboat refer me any good podcast

Anonymous

I don't really know any ESL podcasts. You can practice listening with a podcast on any subject you're interested, though―they don't have to be ESL podcasts.

Anonymous

Stack Overflow has its very own podcasts, for example.

Anonymous

Does anyone else know some good podcasts?

Damkerng T.

I used to listen to NPR and BBC regularly.

Anonymous

09:54

I haven't listened to a lot of them myself, so I'm having trouble coming up with good recommendations.

Damkerng T.

(NPR is for American accents, BBC is for British accents)

Santhosh Kumar

BBC is so complicate to understand

Damkerng T.

I see. BBC has some children programs, too. I haven't tried it. But I also used to watch some Sesame Street episodes. :-)

@SanthoshKumar Wait, that reminds me of something...

Why do you think BBC is too complicated for you?

Is it because of the vocabulary? Or is it because of the accents?

Anonymous

There are also a lot of English audiobooks you can listen to.

Santhosh Kumar

@DamkerngT. both vocabulary and accents

@snailboat real life radio is good

Damkerng T.

09:59

@SanthoshKumar I see. I remember that I used to listen to slow songs before BBC and NPR. Slow songs helped ('cause they are slow!).

@SanthoshKumar Indeed. Actually, anything that you're interested in and not too difficult for you can help.

Santhosh Kumar

:23573161:)

Jude Niroshan

12:09

Today I learned a valuable lesson; I should not tell treat everyone around me as friends !

It's really hard to being with ordinary elderly people. Cos they things what we see, what we say; they used to look those as stupid and foolish things.

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