Sometimes it's really difficult to write a long answer.

WHO SUMMONS ME?

\o @Arrow

One moment, let me catch up.

Hi there

I don't suggest anything.

Flip a table.

I suggest we all go about our daily routines, get along, Be Nice (tm), and we'll all be happy.

@Arrowfar Take it up with your own mods. I'd rather not get too tangled in this issue; I've done that once before and I'm still dealing with it.

Hoooo boy.

Good Evening !

@JudeNiroshan Good evening! Long time no see!

@DamkerngT. Haloooo @DamkerngT.. yes! How are you ?

Good, thanks! How are you?

same ^_^

Nice! :D

what are you doing now?

In Sri Lanka, it's general election today.

Cleaning up my files and folders, and a bit of ELLing. ;-)

Oh! Tell me more about it!

@DamkerngT. I really don't like that. I mean elections. They all are liars

Aww...

It's rare for a politician to speak the whole truth, though. ;-)

Did you cast your vote?

haha yeah

communist party in Sri Lanka

Ah, that's supposed to be a secret, I think. :D

Though telling who you voted for would do no harm.

hehehe

here; can you do me a small favor ?

Yes?

I have build a web site

Oh!

How can I help you?

but i don't know the client. One of my friend asked me to do. so i did. she has designed everything. I had only to write the functionality

now; it has been completed up to some extent

Uh-huh?

last week; i talked about pricing

before i take the project to do; i said to her, i'll help you; but i need some recommendation in LinkedIn profile

she says ok.

Uh-huh.

and last week when i talked about pricing, she replied; "No, I can't give that much of money, and this client is one of my relation. How ever i'll give some money. but not that much"

i asked her $250 for completing the full website

anyway; she asked my help. So as a friend, i thought i'll help her.

nods

she asked some work to do and send her the code. Nw i have completed it and about to send it

but i want to remind her that what she had told me

I don't want to be someone who worked really hard and get a shit.

and i don't want to break my friendship too

Did she say yes when you told her that it would cost her $250?

so, i wrote this as my email body.

@DamkerngT. No. She asked the stuff what i have completed at that moment and said me; "I'll try to do it. If i need some help; please help me"

this is my email content > "Two things what you asked me; it's done! Now it's time for me to look at your behavior. I strongly believe you may not fall into third-class category when it comes to this kind of situation."

That's a bit weird.

yeah. i see that it is not conveying the real message what i'm trying to say her

Okay, let's get this straight. There was nothing agreed upon about your price, right?

@DamkerngT. yes. But she said, she'll at least give me something. (like going out for a lunch)

Hah! Just a lunch. She must be pretty. (just kidding) :P

problem is now; after i talked about those pricing, now she is acting awkward.

@DamkerngT. you got the point ! Bravo

I'm a bit confused here. Do you want the money, or do you want the lunch with her? :-)

(I asked that because I want to suggest the right choice of words.)

@DamkerngT. it's ok :D

@DamkerngT. I want the recommendation

i would like either the lunch or money,

For the money or for the lunch?

lunch and money is in the same level

Let's try the lunch version first:

> Good news! Two things you've asked me to do are done! Promise is promise. How about let's have lunch this Friday? Where and when should I pick you up? <3

(The <3 part is probably too obvious. You could replace that with a standard smiley, though. :-)

@DamkerngT. this is really cool. But the last portion is not that much good for me. Cos she is elder as my sister. And she has a boy friend; she will have her wedding in near future

Aww...

hehehe

So, she's a little older than you. Let's see...

@DamkerngT. yup. But she is gorgeous :P

> Good news! Two things you've asked me to do are done! Promise is promise. I need some cash, or else I'm going to be starving soon! Either cash or lunch is fine with me. PS. I'm waiting patiently to hearing from you soon.

Adding some cute emojicons at the end of the message could have a positive effect. :-)

(e.g. ლ(╹◡╹ლ))

that's perfect mn.... i like it !

I'm glad you like it. :D

Why am i really struggle when it comes to making nice sentences like these? My english seems to be very poor.

Don't worry. It will improve if you keep using it. BTW, your English is not that bad; you can convey your intended meaning quite effectively.

@DamkerngT. that doesn't contain the LinkedIn Recommendation.

@JudeNiroshan Oh, sorry. Do you want to include that in the message too?

@DamkerngT. hm.. otherwise she might forget that one

Okay. We could add "Please recommend me on LinkedIn." somewhere in the message.

How about this?

> Good news! Two things you've asked me to do are done! Promise is promise. Please recommend me on LinkedIn, please. I also need some cash, or else I'm going to be starving soon! Either cash or lunch is fine with me. PS. I'm waiting patiently to hearing from you soon. ლ(╹◡╹ლ)

ok. What is PS stands for ?

If you want to put it there, I'd recommend this:

> ... Promise is promise. I need some cash, or else I'm going to be starving soon! Either cash or lunch is fine with me. BTW, please don't forget to recommend me on LinkedIn. ...

@JudeNiroshan Postscript.

yeah. it goes with it; BTW

@DamkerngT. Thank you Sir for all your help you doing to me! I have no one like you helping me to write perfect english. I have no words to appreciate your work

You're welcome!

@JudeNiroshan BTW, I've gotta go. See you later!

@DamkerngT. Good bye! TC

does the phrase "slept over" exist?

is it the same as "overslept"?

@MycrofD macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/sleep-over

@MycrofD macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/oversleep

thank you!

@MycrofD Welcome!

@Arrowfar I might not like that.

@DamkerngT. I think during these messages you were eating an ice cream.

Hah!

I usually listen to people talking when I'm licking an ice cream.

@DamkerngT. It usually stands for "plus" or "photoshop".

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Um... :-)

@Arrowfar Recently, drama gives me a headache. And Damkerng hasn't done anything illegal.

In fact, he did the right thing.

@Arrowfar He's just trying to not get into another argument with you.

That's my point.

Facepalm

Why do you have to make it as if I have something against you?

You should stay in a room in which he's not in.

OK. I'll tell him not to.

(If that'll help resolve the conflict)

FWIW he wasn't chatting with you or telling anything about you. He just came and helped two people.

Sigh whatever. I'll tell him not to be here.

Hullo @Mods and one other dude.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M What's up?

Not much - and definitely not what @Arrow told you.

it is possible to ignore a person in chat

In fact, I'm an RO here because I wasn't in the previous conflict.

so no one has to leave the room, just ignore each other

@Malachi @Dam made a gallery room to avoid contact with @Arrow.

@Malachi @Dam is ignoring @Arrow already, dunno if it's the other way around.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M FYI - I fat fingered a flag on your above message. Sorry!

@Air Please don't be too quick to judge.

@DamkerngT. Pardon?

@Air Nothing. Just don't be too quick to judge anything before hearing everything from every side.

I know how easy it is to click to delete a flagged message based on insufficient information.

In this case, I just clicked the wrong button.

This one?

I don't think that most of the mods here (whoops, too many!) know most of the story. It would be best to have an ELL mod come in, assuming they know the backstory here, but I don't think they're available. Given that it doesn't seem like either "side" has presented a claim, could both parties involved state what they each believe the issue is with the other? That would eliminate any improper judging.

Guys, tbh you're not needed here.

The story is like this: @Dam and @Arrow have an altercation.

@Dam ignores @Arrow.

@Arrow asks him to un-ignore so they'd settle things down.

Trying to do so, they again have some arguments.

@Arrowfar, I provided this bit of advice to you a while ago. Did you do so?

So that he would ignore @Arrow, @Dam made another room.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Thanks. The constant message flags are not a good sign, though.

And @Arrow is complaining because he isn't allowed in the other one and a lot of conversation is going on there.

@HDE226868 Mostly, no, all, from one user.

And that must be @Arrow.

That's basically what's going on @HDE.

And Arrow, I've tried to be on your side a lot, but now you're just causing trouble.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Thank you.

@Arrowfar The flagging here doesn't help. It draws in moderators from around the network to a situation they aren't entirely aware of. Instead they see messages flagged as spam and offensive that are neither. This does not provide them with a great impression of your situation. I suggest you make the meta post. It can be more productive than what is going on here.

@HDE226868 @snailboat is a mod and constantly chats here; she knows how to explain this more than me or anyone else here.

Oh hullo @J.R.!

\o @snail. Continue, please.

Well, whatever this spat is about, someone has succeeded in it getting higher-level attention, for better or for worse.

@J.R. Sigh there's only one person who's inclined to do that here.

But yeah, let's settle this once and for all.

This is your problem @Arrow. You take things personally.

@Arrowfar I don't see any "insults" yet, but I'm starting to get a feel for what is going on.

And "I know you don't like me" is not a very constructive way to talk about this problem.

That.

Sigh

@Arrowfar The only ELL mod in this room right now is me.

"No need to insult me" - Oh the irony.

And @Arrow, if you wanna reach conclusions, you're way better off with constructive discussion.

I'll just close the door of my mouth after this.

@Arrowfar stop flagging, please. Now you're starting to really annoy me.

@Arrowfar I'm in no clique. In fact, I rarely enter the chat rooms. However, when one of the first things I hear is "you clearly lack people skills" and allegations of "abuse of powers," it doesn't take long for me to form an opinion.

I think you are probably singlehandedly ruining the chat experience for several SE users, all the while crying "victim" when your unpopularity starts to become evident.

I'd like to know if anyone (other than Arrowfar) finds my assessment accurate or erroneous.

@Arrowfar Are you not already talking openly? What are you asking for?

@J.R. As an impartial observer who's just spent 15 minutes looking at chat transcripts and deleted messages, I agree with you.

@Arrowfar If you're interested in talking openly, there might be better things to talk openly about than the conversation that's going on here.

(note: I am a mod on another site who got drawn in by all the flagging, I do not have full context but things do not look wonderful based on the amount I have read so far)

@J.R. As someone who just couldn't preserve impartial-ness since one side clearly lacks good arguments, you're being very accurate. I'm not very good with words; that's why when you guys entered I didn't complain.

@Arrowfar I don't know, this is ELL, right? Talk about English? I'm just saying, if you have an issue with a mod, deal with it through the right channels (meta, escalation to SE which you already mentioned, etc). If you want to chat openly, just chat - about things besides that.

Right, so there you go: you've said what you want to say in an appropriate place; the site's chat room is not a great place to continue that discussion, and monopolizing it is just interfering with other people's use of the room. This is not an "I have a problem with a mod" room, it's a site's chat room. I'm not going to continue to discuss this with you any further, in hopes that you'll see my point and let the room go back to being ELL's room.

@Arrowfar I have some advice for you, then. When you see those two in the chat room, go do something else. Go outside and take a walk. Fresh air is wonderfully therapeutic.

If you have emailed SE three times about someone's behavior, and they have not been reprimanded by higher authorities, then that should tell you something

@Arrowfar I asked this last month when you popped into the Tavern on the Meta. What do you expect as a response from others? Emailing a complaint and not having any action taken is a valid response. Meta is the correct place to take these discussions.

Please, don't. But you're confusing a flag with what I'm talking about, which is what happens AFTER the flag.

Of course SE will say, "If you find something offensive, flag it." That invites others to take a look at it.

But if they look at it and nothing happens, then the allegation is unsubstantiated.

@J.R. those two are the main contributors to ELL's chat. Damkerng made a separate gallery room to keep away from this guy. Now he's complaining because the conversation is revolving around them.

@Arrowfar So what if those three downvote? If they are a "clique" as you allege, the community will cast more than enough upvotes to offset three measly downvotes.

(In a room he's not in)

@Arrowfar One piece of advice...when you write this post, make it objective. Leave emotions out of it and don't throw around "offensive" unless you have actual "offensive" posts to show. You may get down votes, but it's a place to start. If you make the post emotional it'll be very hard to have a discussion about what's going on because the conversation will end up much like the ones you've been having the last month or so.

I am more than inclined to see this meta post.

@Arrowfar Last time you had this attitude, you ended up arguing, like kiddos.

@Arrowfar One more piece of advice: if you present your case and it gets summarily downvoted, take a hard look in the mirror, because that's probably where the problem is.

And now you're making assumptions. Sheesh.

Um. You asked if you could speak freely. Please get to the point.

@Arrowfar Yeah. Bring in the irrelevant facts to support your argument. That's irrelevant when I'm a sane person and know what's going on here.

I've seen teens on SE that were more sensible than 50-something people.

@Arrowfar Did you have any other points to make, speaking freely?

Let's please leave age out of this discussion. Age doesn't seem to have much correlation to maturity on the internet.

@Arrowfar I'm still waiting for you to make one constructive point.

Will you write that meta post? I want to see the community decide on it.

The starboard on the Language Overflow says you're wrong.

@Arrowfar Um, was that supposed to be funny?

"All she does is talk about snails." That's a serious remark?

And why should it matter if she has a "college degree"?

@J.R. 1 outta 10k messages from @snail is about her pets growing. Does he have a point?

Then we'll breathe.

That's it. I ignored him.

@Arrowfar Well, you are the one who asked to speak freely. Don't ask to present your case and then spout nonsense, and expect to be taken seriously.

Enough headache for today. Sorry to bother you @J.R.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I found this more instructive than bothersome.

@J.R. Unfortunately, as someone who had this discussion with, this user, thrice, I don't think we instructed anyone.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I'm a moderator and, unlike you, I'm learning about this for the first time.

@J.R. The point is, this user is the only one who think this is big.

@Arrowfar They will only get much worse if you continue with silly name-calling and petty arguing.

Now I wonder what he told you that made you say that @J.R., but @snail and @Dam and I never thought this was a big deal to bother you with.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M My point is, if one user thinks something is big, it's the moderator's job to investigate.

Then blame him for non-sensical flagging and calling out people from the Tavern here.

He is the one who should've properly contacted you, not us.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Relax. I'm not here to "blame" anyone for anything. You issued an apology, and I replied that no apology was necessary. Let's just leave it at that.

OK OK raises hands I'm just really tired of this now.

Can't believe I'd like to not chat with one SE user, from now on.

I wanted to help him, but then. sigh

Excuse me for a moment.

OK. Now I feel better.

\o @san

We had like, 5 mods here. WOOHOOO

@J.R. can I ask one final question?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M hi! quite a bit of excitement here I see

Well.

@Cat are you reading the transcript? ;)

meta.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice

Hello random people!

sup

@Hakase Apparently a lot of drama... And it's usually such a nice chat space.

it's coz of one user mostly

How are the Anime elections going?

I have my 3 candidates picked already

I could vote but I don't know any of the people, really... though SE sent me a reminder about it today.

two of them have been doing a fine job and one seems very promising and I'd like to see them as a new moderator

we have a significant amount of discussions on identification requests

@Hakase That's cool. It's always nice to get some new moderation blood in. Is it three positions to start?

lots of new users don't bother posting high-quality id reqs and it upsets many users

3 + 1 I think

@Hakase It's a big topic over on my other main site, Movies & TV... I strongly encourage you guys to think really hard about whether you keep them or not. We have a major issue with them and it's getting worse and we don't know how to fix it at all... other than outright banning them.

that's the same mood as in our room

most of us think it's a fine side service and we have to deal with the negative effects if we still want to help random people find their works

@Hakase Well, if you figure out a solution that works, come share it with the screening room. ;)

some are more radical and think SE is no place for that stuff

actually I'd like to read what you guys have come up with, to deal with this problem

@Hakase Well, considering the main brass of SE has that opinion, it's not entirely unfounded. I'd like to find a way to get some sort of fill-able form that makes it easier to force people to ask the questions well.

@Hakase We're still figuring it out... but I don't know what we can do that doesn't require some help from SE on the back end.

we've gone over this many times and it seems like there is no way to force people to do anything, but we can certainly disallow people to get answers until they improve their IDs, and that may never happen, which we must be prepared for

@Hakase It's mostly difficult because it's become something like 60-75% of the questions asked on M&TV... so it makes the entire site look really bad when you only occasionally get non-ID questions.

one of the simplest solutions is to close-vote liberally and downvote obviously helpless IDs down to -4 so they disappear from the front page question list

@Hakase Very true. We have good mods but they tend to be shy about closing stuff without the community's support. Occasionally they'll mod-hammer something but only if it's particularly horrid.

And, since you can ignore certain tags, people hide the ID stuff and then they never get CVs.

one proposition to reduce the superficial "crappyness" of the site is to hide ID questions from all views because not many users even want to look at them. These types of questions are supposed to be searched for, not just browsed. So a feature request comes to mind − hide IDs by default and add a checkbox that reveals them, or have a separate section on the site exclusively for them. But then we could use different systems to rate them and link to similar/duplicate questions, etc

@Hakase Y U give minus and no halp identifying?!!!! 11!!!11

anything that may require intervention on SE developer side is very sketchy

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M nobody even posts that on our site :p

I'd like to see the percentage of closed ID questions on A&M vs M&TV

@Hakase Exactly. That's why my ID form will never happen. It'd be awesome, though. "ask a question" - Are you trying to identify the title of a movie or TV show? Use our form. (click) and then it's a bunch of questions that are required to be filled in.

nobody will bother to fill them all out

we're dealing with lazy users mostly

@Hakase You might check... I believe that your data is what caused us to look for our data. I think it's on your meta somewhere.

haha