ELL's Cabin

Anonymous

22:17

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M LeP regularly comments when posting follow-up questions in comments with a stock comment: google.co.jp/…

Anonymous

First LeP posts the follow-up question as one comment, then copies and pastes that comment afterwards.

Anonymous

Actually, I think there've been a few variations on the comment, so that search can only find a few dozen of them...

Anonymous

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Snails get shocked when they crawl across copper.

Catija

22:30

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A: What's a word for something you do, but you don't like to mention it

Taboo ta·boo /təˈbo͞o,taˈbo͞o/ –Google noun: a social or religious custom prohibiting or forbidding discussion of a particular practice or forbidding association with a particular person, place, or thing. "the taboo against healing on the Sabbath" a social practice that is prohibite...

WTF?? Why would someone answer a question without reading the full body of the question?

Anonymous

Dunno. I think it happens surprisingly often, though...

Damkerng T.

Just for future reference, even though you are an English language learner, English.StackExchange is a really good place for word/phrase requests, such as in your question :) — Chris Cirefice 3 hours ago

Interesting...

The comment makes ELU sounds like a SWR service or something!

HarryCBurn

@Catija Because people want easy rep!

Catija

@DamkerngT. Which is ironic because there's a (failed) meta post on ELU trying to shunt all SWR questions to ELL.

Damkerng T.

@Catija Hah! That's even more interesting!

Catija

22:45

@snailboat Ugh. I don't even know how to respond to the current comment from that poster. It's just silly.

HarryCBurn

@Catija Of Mazura?

Catija

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Q: Should we migrate a lot of the single-word-requests (and more?) to ELL?

Today I wanted to ask a single-word-request, but was unsure whether to go to ELU or ELL. After requesting clarification about this on chat, I got redirected to this question on meta.ELL.SE, which if applied to ELU would require the migration of a lot of questions. Martha's highest-voted answer...

@HarryCBurn Yeah. I mean, it sort of makes sense but it doesn't make the answer correct at all. It's like they're making themselves intentionally blind to the full concept of the question just in case someone wants exactly what the question wording states...

jimsug

My third downvote has greyed out their answer. I pity the fool that posts a non-answer for the rep.

HarryCBurn

@Catija I agree. How can you evaluate a question's intent on ten words?

@jimsug Ah, same here :V

@jimsug Good to see you Sug!

jimsug

I understand that question titles should summarise the body, but if they were meant to contain the entirety of the question, we wouldn't have question bodies ;P

HarryCBurn

22:49

@jimsug Yeah.

(Not much more I can add here.)

Catija

@jimsug Exactly.

Um... weren't you going to sleep or something?

Damkerng T.

@Catija Thanks for a good read! (There are some interesting arguments in that post.)

Anonymous

@Catija Ahahahaha no.

Anonymous

ELU needs to solve their own single-word-request problem, not dump it on ELL... :-)

jimsug

@Catija I slept.

I am awake now.

Anonymous

23:01

I never saw that meta post.

Catija

@snailboat ELU needs to stop dumping questions here, period. I'm really tempted to ask Meta.SE to ban ELU from migrating questions until they know what questions are OK here, first.

Anonymous

Actually, I tried to get certain ELU questions migrated to ELL before, but the mods disagreed that they were appropriate for ELL.

Anonymous

They marked my flags helpful anyway (thanks! I think), but didn't migrate

Catija

Someone actually recommended a couple of years back that migration targets be allowed to approve through the review queue whether something gets migrated or not. I think it's a great idea.

jimsug

@snailboat We try to mark flags as helpful unless they're patently, deliberately unhelpful

Anonymous

23:02

So I think the questions they think are appropriate for ELL are very different from the questions I think are helpful

jimsug

otherwise people stop using the flag system.

Right?

HarryCBurn

> There is no implication that a "guilty pleasure" is something you don't like to mention.

Thoughts?

Anonymous

@jimsug Well, the ELL mods have marked a bunch of my flags as unhelpful.

Catija

@HarryCBurn ... It's a valid point but, realistically, the whole reason it's called a "guilty" pleasure is that you feel guilty about it being pleasurable... just because people brag about them now a days, doesn't mean that the term is wrong.

Anonymous

Which is why I stopped flagging very much, yeah. It's a signal that they don't want those sorts of flags.

Anonymous

23:04

Lately though I've been flagging a bit and getting 100% helpful.

Anonymous

@HarryCBurn I guess people might use the term for things they don't really feel very guilty about (or enjoy terribly much), as long as they feel at least a little embarrassed to admit it...? :-) I dunno.

HarryCBurn

I agree again. People seem weirdly unguilty about guilt pleasures :)

jimsug

@snailboat Yeah, that's happened to me, too, actually, now that I think about it... hang on.

Anonymous

Whenever I admit to listening to Avril Lavigne, people make fun of me for it, which conditions me not to admit it, because I reevaluate the admission as having a negative reward value. Does that make it a guilty pleasure or something else?

jimsug

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Q: Why were my comment flags on this comment declined?

What does this quote from Shakespeare mean? [on hold] The above comment doesn't seem to be useful, and it seems to be a defensive remark (indeed, something the commenter admits to in another comment that they made, which was deleted after I raised a flag on it. @jimsug O, I will for thy brav...

discussion moderators moderation

Catija

23:08

@snailboat At least it's not Nickleback.

Anonymous

Haha, true.

jimsug

@snailboat You listen to Avril Lavigne?

Anonymous

Sure do.

jimsug

... ;)

Anonymous

:-)

Anonymous

23:10

(Note to self: reward value rapidly decreasing...)

Catija

@jimsug I think that was a bad call on J.R.'s part. He seemed to mistake his job as a mod and his personal approval of snide commentary.

jimsug

@Catija I think that the flag was at the very least "not unhelpful" - a reasonable person would have flagged it because it contributed nothing to the question.

Catija

He could have marked it as helpful but chosen not to delete the comment.

jimsug

Yup.

Catija

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A: how to distinguish "cost" from "price"

Putting in "cost" instead of "price" in the following may help to explain the difference: Proverbs 31:10-31King James Version (KJV) "Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. Sh...

Ok, apparently I'm dumb. Can you explain this to me?

Anonymous

23:13

And frankly my dear, I don't give a dam about your opinion about Mark Twain. — user6951 Dec 27 '14 at 18:32

Anonymous

I flagged this at one point.

Anonymous

Declined, though.

Anonymous

Is that a bible spammer?

Catija

@snailboat Literary/movie reference?

@snailboat He claims not.

Anonymous

Well, their claims aren't very interesting so far. I removed the link.

Anonymous

23:15

It looks like they're an actual user, though.

Anonymous

Not a spammer.

jimsug

I flagged as NAA

Anonymous

That seems fair.

Anonymous

It doesn't seem to contain anything resembling an answer.

Catija

I did the same thing. It's really the comments that I'm confused on... for someone who's "not religious", to be asking me to "think on a bible verse" and come back tomorrow... that sounds sort of pushy.

Anonymous

23:17

Please add how you would use “to” or “to pant”. Do you mean “two”? — Tyler James Young Sep 3 '14 at 17:17

Anonymous

I flagged this as obsolete, but it was declined, so I left a comment instead:

Anonymous

To future readers: You can safely ignore TJY's comment above. It is obsolete and no longer makes sense with the current version of the question. (TJY left this comment and voted to close; the question was later fixed, and TJY and others voted to reopen.) — snailboat Sep 9 '14 at 21:34

Anonymous

In general, ELL leaves a lot more comments lying around than I would.

Anonymous

I think on reflection, it's much easier to get Not An Answer or Spam flags approved on ELL than any kind of comment flag.

Anonymous

I remember at one point I had a discussion in comments with J.R. criticizing answers in comments, and J.R. left a comment to the effect of "but a comment can answer the question", but unfortunately when I tried to find that discussion I couldn't…

Anonymous

23:21

So I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly.

jimsug

@Catija I'll come back whenever I damn well please, and I'll still vote it down.

Catija

@snailboat Yeah, he criticizes a lot of my answers... I don't get it.

Anonymous

I downvoted too. I'm a downvotin' dinosaur. Rar. Stomp! RAR. See? Dinosaur.

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Damkerng T.

I see Godzilla. :D

Catija

23:24

It's kinda disappointing that the dinosaur doesn't look right in the sidebar.

Anonymous

I am a big fan of Proverbs 31. That said, while an answer could certainly be built on this citation and explain the usage based on that, this is not that answer. — Nathan Tuggy 7 mins ago

Anonymous

Isn't the use of price in that quote archaic?

Damkerng T.

The proverb could be useful as a comment, imho.

jimsug

@Anixx the evidence disagrees: 51 matches "for MOVE a/the house" and 1783 matches for "MOVE house". That's not even close, that's an overwhelming majority. ("MOVE" is the lemma.) — jimsug 39 secs ago

Anonymous

Moving a house seems like it'd take a lot more effort than moving house.

Catija

23:27

@snailboat Probably.

jimsug

@snailboat Exactly.

Anonymous

If it is archaic, then it's probably not a good idea to use it to explain the difference between cost and price in Present-Day English.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat That's a job of the Big Movers!

jimsug

MOVE a/the house - 2.780806979280262% of the combined total

That's... I don't know how that could be claimed to be "quite common"

Anonymous

Well, it's not so rare that I've never heard of it before, but well, I think most people move house a lot more often…

jimsug

23:29

@snailboat You've probably heard it about 35 times as often, yeah.

Catija

Well, @jimsug if you don't get any downvotes, you'll get the bounty... or at least half of it, unless Nima awards it.

jimsug

@Catija There's still 20 hours left ;)

Catija

Techically, in the US, we just say "move". We don't say "move house"... that I know of.

Anonymous

@snailboat that rollback meant that my answer no longer answered the question, which I've addressed, but was very confusing, — jimsug 8 hours ago

jimsug

@Catija I agree, but if we had to say "house", I would not put an article there.

@snailboat yeah, I thought "wait, I swear the question was different."

And then I thought "I bet nima changed it after asking. This is a pattern"

Anonymous

23:31

@jimsug Sorry about that, I must not have read through all the answers carefully enough.

jimsug

Which was true, but the question I answered was the one he had changed it TO :P

Anonymous

Somehow I thought I did.

Anonymous

It turns out nima is male.

jimsug

@snailboat All fine. Just meant I had to add the last bit to my answer. Barely any trouble.

... that's what I said >.>

Anonymous

His old username was nima_persian, which would have probably made it more obvious.

jimsug

23:33

Ah yes. I remember this.

jimsug

23:54

@Catija Aaand it's gone ;)

Anonymous

ColleenV was the third deleter!

Anonymous

I don't know her, and I think I don't always agree with her meta posts, but she seems level-headed, active on the main site and meta both, and seems to care about the community. I hope when ELL graduates we can rope her into running for moderator :-)

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