ELL's Cabin

Catija

16:00

@jimsug Actually, you can have up to five custom close reasons. We just have to get J.R. to request additional ones.

jimsug

@Catija Yeah. Three by default, I mean.

Damkerng T.

The third (J.R.'s) is quite nice, though I wish we could just show them instead of tell them.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

My first tag badge is going to be a meta.chem tag badge.

jimsug

@Catija Point them at this:

40

A: One post with multiple questions or multiple posts?

Split them and ask multiple questions. That way it's easy to select a correct answer. If you ask several questions in one question you risk having answers that are both correct and wrong at the same time.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Repetitive comments on ELL are really frowned upon; remember when I got flagged for welcoming users?

Delusional freaks.

jimsug

16:02

@DamkerngT. The first one is for making sure that we don't become known as "that free proofreading service that people would normally get paid for and these people volunteer for, suckers"

Damkerng T.

nods -- The proofreading thing is always borderline, imho.

jimsug

It's that thing about @jim's comment, why should learners be required to show research?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Your seven paragraph in that meta post is consistent. Reminds me of iPod advertisements.

jimsug

It's a give a man a/teach him how to fish thing.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

If there was a TeXy guy here, they would've said correct that eye-jarring blasphemy now!

Catija

16:04

@jimsug Why should they not? It's not about "research" it's about showing effort. If we just answer every question asked without asking them to talk through it themselves, then they won't ever do any work, they'll just come here and say "give me answer".

jimsug

@Catija I agree completely with you. Why should we be Google by proxy?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Another point is, with enough research, almost everything is answerable.

Damkerng T.

That's a very important point.

Catija

We're here to clear up misunderstandings, not to regurgitate information in an on-demand situation.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Word of the day: Regurgitate

Catija

16:07

It's a good word.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh, so that's what's نشخوار.

It's also excessively used figuratively in Persian.

jimsug

translate: نشخوار

(from Persian) Champ

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Champ? Hehe!

jimsug

No?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That's our Google translate.

Damkerng T.

16:09

Could be a correct translation. A lot of reps were gained by repeating information just found elsewhere on our site in an on-demand fashion.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@jimsug I'm pretty sure نشخوار ~ regurgitate.

jimsug

@DamkerngT. yeah, I think that's a shame, really.

Damkerng T.

nods

jimsug

I enjoy doing more than that, but I guess people will do anything for imaginary internet points.

Catija

پس‌زنش

پس‌زنش یا رگورژیتاسیون (به انگلیسی: regurgitation) برگشت جریان یک مایع به عقب، یعنی در جهتی خلاف جهت طبیعی آن را گویند. از جمله مثالهای رگورژیتاسیون در انسان بالا آمدن غذا از معده به حلق و مری (بدون زور و فشار) همراه با تنفس بدبو در سرطان مری است. == جستارهای وابسته == سرطان مری == منابع == واژه‌های مصوب فرهنگستان زبان وادب فارسی...

Damkerng T.

16:10

@jimsug Apparently!

Hmm... two ) in a row?

A-ha! The chat can't handle RTL languages well!

jimsug

ell.stackexchange.com/a/62272/1407

That answer actually makes sense.

It's not a good answer, but it makes sense :P

Catija

@jimsug It does after J.R. Edited it. Did you look at the unedited version?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Typesetting parentheses in Persian, in an LTR environment, and then showing that in an again LTR environment isn't very. . .Desirable.

Damkerng T.

@jimsug Oh, right!

Catija

0

Q: What is the exact difference between "stimulate" and"challenge"?

Considering these, would you please show me, as a native speaker, what you feel when you are to distinguish between these verbs semantically? I mean eventually what is the difference between challenge and stimulate, with respect to the links and sentences which I have provided? making you feel i...

jimsug

16:13

ell.stackexchange.com/a/62272/1407

Catija

They're two completely different words.

jimsug

Yeah, it kinda still makes sense. It's a terrible answer, but I can understand it.

@Catija The exact difference is everything they mean and their spelling.

Okay, it's getting late, I should get at least a few hours of sleep, long day ahead tomorrow.

Damkerng T.

It sounds like someone was typing from their phone quickly.

Good night!

Catija

@jimsug Exactly!

Night!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@jimsug Sleep tight! Don't let the other Jim bite!

Catija

16:21

0

A: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

HA HA HA

Nice one. @jimsug There's actually a lot of "legal" questions that get asked on M&TV... you guys might consider making a sign about that. We can't really answer most of them, other than linking to law blogs, but you guys might be able to.

0

Q: What legal measures do real persons/families/groups have to impose "prior restraint" on aspects of a film?

Can persons or families of deceased persons use legal methods to impose "prior restraint" on aspects of a planned film about them they don't like, such as JFK, or Kurt Cobain? And what if the matters become more concerned about a larger group than individual persons, like WWI veterans/victims or...

censorship legal

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Come to think of it, I think maybe (just maybe) it reflects that in their mind, "type" may subsume "write". So "mistype" also includes the "misspelling" meaning "spell something incorrectly" (i.e. "write" is not their regular activity), and hence "misspelling" implies not knowing the correct spelling (or spelling ignorance).

It could be the other way around. In any case, I assume that they're either very young or very old.

(So they think of the same word differently.)

@Catija Ad of the Day!

jimsug

@Catija Oh, good, I was going to post this to chat :P

Yes, I said sleep, but... I'm not good at this :(

Okay, sleep for real.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hah!

I sometimes chat up to 6 a.m. in the quasi-morning.

Jim Reynolds

My point was that there are times when doing research is reasonable, such as "What does x mean?" when x can easily be looked up in a dictionary, for example. But there are many questions that many ELLs would not know how to research before asking.

Damkerng T.

Some Xs are not easy to understand by just reading their definitions.

"misspelling" is one example.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:33

@DamkerngT. BTW I shot my comments on your meta post thingy.

Damkerng T.

misspell: to spell a word wrongly

Now, let's compare that to our answer-in-comment:

I think 'misspelled' implies that you didn't know the correct spelling. 'Mistyped' implies what happened: you know the spelling, but there was an error somewhere between your brain and your fingers. — jamesqf 21 hours ago

Not the same thing, right?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Noted!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I also referred to The @Catija Incident.

Catija

@JimReynolds Perhaps the term "research" was the wrong word to use. I wasn't actually talking to the OP on that TOEFL question. I still feel that he could have explained what he thought the answer was... this makes it easier for us to explain why that answer is wrong. If he shows some "work" and says that he knows answer B is wrong because ____ that means we just have to say "you're right" and we don't have to explain why B is wrong, since he clearly knows that already.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh wait, that should be capitalized.

Damkerng T.

For me, I think it's the best to consider questions on the case by case basis.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:36

@JimR frankly, we have a homework question closure procedure thingy on chem.SE.

Damkerng T.

The OP's motive is important, imho.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

When there are good intentions and people just didn't know about the policy, they usually end up adding their effort and getting the answer.

Damkerng T.

But I remember that to some other users, we care only about the question, not the asker.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@user3169 - Proper preposition usage is one of the most vexing challenges for an English learner. I don't think it's right to say that a preposition question has "no learning" and is therefore nothing more than "phrase memorization". Moreover, I think the question is a difficult one to answer fully – most natives will tell you that for is the better choice, but many will be at a loss to explain why. — J.R. ♦ 7 hours ago

Damkerng T.

(Thinking of pazza's Meta.SE post about SE is all about creating a database...)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:39

Hah! We meet again "vex"!

@DamkerngT. You mean Pizza or Pazzo?

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Whatever name it was, I think you know what Meta.SE post I was thinking about. :D

[...] More important than pointing the asker to some meta post, is to stop our answerers from answering problematic posts. Dear answerer, you're not helping the OP when you answer their question with a guess, you're just making people passionate about keeping ELL clean look like they do that 'cause they don't know the answer, and when that happens, there's flame wars, ignorances, suspensions, and fireworks. While the last one is kinda fun, it also spoils the fun of people who are here to help. So please, stop answering close-worthy questions! — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 13 mins ago

Good point. Though answering low-hanging-fruit questions can gain lots of rep points.

I posted my last answer because I just wanted to post a photo of the jet with its chute. Turned out that I got +12. (Not something I'm really proud of.)

On the other hand, this one's gotten no vote at all, so far...

0

A: 'reason' vs 'reason that'

Rule of thumb: You can always omit that after the reason (i.e. the reason (that)). Put it another way, wherever you can say the reason that, you can omit that. That vs. Why: You can use that (which is optional) in place of why but only in defining clauses, and make sure that you use reason not r...

Neither has this:

0

A: What is an adverbial clause of this sentence?

The sentence: With a view to early retirement he saved his money. Means that He saved his money. Why? He saved his money with the hope of (being able to have) early retirement. (See also: with a view to (doing) something in Macmillan Dictionary) This exercise was taken from High School E...

So...

<shrug>

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. That's exactly why they do answer. They're farming.

Damkerng T.

Yup!

So that one day, they can say something like...

Hmm... I can't find that comment (the one you got a few days ago).

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

What comment?

Damkerng T.

Something like "Please check out my reputation points on this or that stack..."

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:54

Huh. . .That one.

Damkerng T.

Yep, that one!

I think it sums up the reason behind their farming quite well. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. I did check their ELU profile when they said so. . .Their top tags were: Word-request, meaning, single-word-requests etc etc.

Damkerng T.

Oh, a word hunter?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You get the point: They're a maybe fluent learner, but they don't know sh*t from grammar.

Catija

I actually had one the other day that was a VTC question and someone answered it and I posted something along the lines of it being best for them to not answer, and they deleted their answer.

Damkerng T.

16:57

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I was speculating that maybe they're a bilingual speaker.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Hey!

I'm tetra-lingual!

Does that mean my grammar hits sub-marines on its way down?

Damkerng T.

:D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Tell me moar . . .

Catija

ell.stackexchange.com/a/62298/16318

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Oh! You were talking about my comment on the king's meta Q?

Damkerng T.

17:00

@Catija Oh, I see. That's the right thing to do, imho.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yeah.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yay! Being right once in a while is fun.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It's Damkerng, not king, BTW!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. I'm sorry, are they different?

Damkerng T.

LOL

Well, you're not the first who reads it that way.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:02

That wolves did too.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M But they're two different issues. Someone may ask a good question that needs some editing advice but that doesn't have anything to do with the people who post answers on questions that are off topic. We don't need to choose between the two issues.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija We won't.

I said that's the more important thing to do.

If the asker gets their answer, they won't bother changing their behavior. Why bother? They'll gimme the answer; sheeple.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Possibly... but we have very little recourse. We can't delete an answer simply because it's on a question that shouldn't have an answer... so it requires that the person who posts the answer makes the choice to delete it because they respect the community's decision to not answer off topic questions.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Indeed, which is why I address them not mods or 2kers.

Catija

And a question being closed doesn't prevent people from voting on or accepting answers.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:07

Indeed, and sometimes closing is not justified.

Catija

I'm confused... what's wrong with answering a question where closing is not justified? I thought we were specifically talking about people who insist upon answering questions that are off topic.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, bottom line is, some people genuinely answer stuff, some do them for the repz. The latter is usually problematic when the question is going to be obviously closed.

We're both pointing to things we both agree about.

Catija

17:24

1

Q: Will a bounty be automatically awarded to an answer that was posted before the bounty, if it has been edited?

Similar to this question In a bounty scenario, can an answer from before the bounty be automatically accepted? But in my case (Make Gmail send automatic canned responses for email it gets via POP) one of the replies was edited after the bounty was posted. However it still does not answer the qu...

support edits bounty

So, unless Nima gives me the bounty, I won't get it.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And he won't.

9 hours ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Sometimes I wanna beat some people up.

Damkerng T.

8

Q: Use of "go" in passive form

Can we use verb "Go" in passive voice?

verb passive-voice

A-ha! No bounty was awarded to any answer!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Can we? Pretty please?

Catija

3

Q: past simple or present in that case

I am going on holidays in two days for two weeks, but before going I would like to see my friend: shall I say It would be nice to see you before I leave. It would be nice to see you before I left. I think the second one is better, as it is not a real situation but a wish.

conditional-constructions backshifting wish

How is it that my idea of grammatical speech and F.E.'s is so different. "left" is completely wrong, as far as I'm concerned.

Damkerng T.

Let me do a quick check...

Do "It'd be nice to see you before I leave." and "I'd like to see you before I leave." sound the same?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:39

Let me do a quick check...

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Sorry, I had to hunt it down in my tabs first!

Catija

@DamkerngT. They have similar meanings... The first states that it would be nice the second states a preference, which is a stronger statement.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I reached my conclusion @Cat.

Damkerng T.

Hmm... okay. What about this pair:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Conclusion: I need an urgent supply of pop-corn.

Catija

17:41

The only way I can think of "left" being correct is if it's: It would have been nice to see you before I left.

Damkerng T.

"It'd be nice to see you before I left." -- "I'd like to see you before I left."

Catija

@DamkerngT. They both sound wrong to me.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija BTW @Copper has a deleted answer that said the left version is better. I think you can see that.

Damkerng T.

Hmm...

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I do see it but I haven't read it.

Damkerng T.

17:42

Interesting.

I think maybe these sentences will sound differently from speaker to speaker.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M The version of Copper's that I see has "leave" as being correct?

Damkerng T.

In that pair, I think only "leave" is correct.

Actually, I've discussed this with myself once.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija No, left.

I haz no idea which one is better actually.

They both seem like devils of the same origin to me.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M No...

> The first one is better:

It would be nice to see you before I leave.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh, he had changed that after F.E. commented.

Catija

17:47

ell.stackexchange.com/posts/62584/revisions

There's nothing in the revision history that shows Copper said that "left" was correct.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

This is very weird.

Damkerng T.

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/22987043/history

> 1a. I'd like to see you before I leave.
1b. I'd like to see you before I left.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

But then @Copper said he prefers b. . .I give up.

Damkerng T.

> 2a. It'd be nice to see you before I leave.
2b. It'd be nice to see you before I left.

I prefer 1a. I accept both 2a and 2b, though.

(Actually, I think 2b is a little better than 2a.)

To use 1b, I think I need to write a novel.

Catija

@DamkerngT. Well, I'm a native speaker and I say you're wrong, so there :P

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:52

@Catija And you have more repz in ELU?

K I made up my mind, I like left more.

Damkerng T.

@Catija You accept only 1a and 2a, I believe.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Actually, no. Not even close. I don't even have 2 K in ELU.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Maybe because I did some exercises about it some while ago.

Catija

@DamkerngT. Correct.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija NVM. I was referring to some "occasion" a while ago. The king knows it.

Catija

17:54

Ah. OK.

Damkerng T.

nods -- I wouldn't say I'm wrong, because I think opinions from native speakers are unanimous on this one.

Catija

@DamkerngT. ? First off, I'm joking. Secondly, I'm not sure what you mean?

Damkerng T.

@Catija I mean, it seems like native spekaer' opinions seem to be inconclusive on this set of sentences.

I'm not joking, though.

I wasn't and I'm not. (Now I'm joking.)

Catija

@DamkerngT. Ah, but you said "unanimous", which means that we all have the same opinion, which, since I disagree with F.E., is not the case.

Damkerng T.

Ah, I dropped a not again!

(snailboat knows this symptom of mine very well. :-)

Sorry for the confusion!

Catija

17:58

:D it's ok. Anyway, my husband needs to be fed. See you guys later.

Damkerng T.

See you later!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. You meant not unanimous, right?

Damkerng T.

Yup!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Some husbands are pets of their wives. Don't let him see this. :P Is he one of those who don't know how to cook omelete?

Damkerng T.

I dropped a lot of stuff in chat rooms, apparently.

chat.stackexchange.com/…

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:00

@DamkerngT. Two pages. Keep up the good work!

Damkerng T.

I'd usually dropped my r or t, until I changed my keyboard.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hee

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

For me, I usually add a lot of extra fluff.

Damkerng T.

So the most frustrating occasion was when I typed It as I or your as you.

(which looks so ungrammatical)

Haha! Oh!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I sometimes change deteriorate to deterioratate.

Or similar "inflections".

Damkerng T.

Frankly, I can't tell which one is the correct one at first glance.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:02

471

Q: LaTeX Editors/IDEs

What editors/IDEs are available for easing the process of writing TeX/LaTeX documents? Please state some useful features like code completion, spell checking, building final DVI or PDF files, etc. This question is undergoing a systematic refurbishment, see Let’s polish the Editors/IDEs questi...

editors big-list ide

Not bad. . .TeXmaker is the 3rd!

After the notorious Vim and Emacs.

Which means a lot.

Damkerng T.

Yay, LyX made it to the chart!

CopperKettle

Good evening, folks of the ELL!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh, here comes an unreactive element: @Copper.

\o

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Unreactive? Why so?

Damkerng T.

o/

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:04

I'm gonna define a new command named \o.

CopperKettle

|o|

Damkerng T.

Oh, no! iTeXmacs didn't make it!

@CopperKettle Two arms at once!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@CopperKettle 'cause @Copper is unreactive.

@DamkerngT. I read that as an lol.

Damkerng T.

LOL

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yes? I thought it reacted with oxygen

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Doesn't it turn greenish through oxydation?

Damkerng T.

18:06

I don't know much about its reactivity, but I've heard that snakes fear copper!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

In the general scheme of things, @Copper is the third/fourth unreactive element, after Au, Ag and Ta.

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. It's good that snails don't!

Damkerng T.

Hmm... maybe we should ask our Snails. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@CopperKettle Let's ask her.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Thanks, now I'll know that!

@DamkerngT. (0:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:07

@snail are you afraid of @Copper?

@CopperKettle It's because of its position on the Periodic table.

CopperKettle

6

A: Why are Group 11 elements unreactive?

The first step toward answering this question is understanding the extent to which the statement "Group 11 metals are unreactive" is or isn't true. As stated in How do plants respond to copper deficiency? Plant Signaling and Behavior vol. 3, pages 231-232: The transition metal copper is es...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16

Q: Why are Group 11 elements unreactive?

Group 11 metals namely $\ce{Cu, Ag, Au}$ are known for their low reactivities. They are thus rightly called coinage metals and have been historically used to make currency owing to this very property of theirs. My question is, what is the reason behind this behaviour? Is it because of the stabi...

metal transition-metals

TeeHee!

CopperKettle

(0:

We are on par in Google-Fu!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, he's basically saying they're not that unreactive.

@CopperKettle No, well, actually chem.SE is what I eat in every meal.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I thought it was honeydew (0:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:12

@CopperKettle That's what I eat when I'm asleep.

CopperKettle

(0:

4

Q: past simple or present in that case

I am going on holidays in two days for two weeks, but before going I would like to see my friend: shall I say It would be nice to see you before I leave. It would be nice to see you before I left. I think the second one is better, as it is not a real situation but a wish.

conditional-constructions backshifting wish

A guerdon of 300 points awaits him who answers this question.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

See the above discussion.

CopperKettle

I preferred a, but scrapped my answer after F.A.'s comment.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@CopperKettle Left?

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M No, I wrote an answer saying that to use left was awkward.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:18

That's weird.

I like left a lot.

It's a good direction.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M nods @Snails said it was a good question, but she was too sleepy at that moment to address it on her own

Damkerng T.

It is a good question. I agree with her.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

So, both are possible.

That's always the answer when she says that.

CopperKettle

18:31

"Bridges in Russia" (0:

Damkerng T.

Whoa!

CopperKettle

I nearly drowned my camera there today. (0:

Damkerng T.

Was it wobbling or swaying in any way?

CopperKettle

I actually dropped the camera case, the bridge was too shaky, but I fished it out.

Damkerng T.

Oh!

CopperKettle

18:33

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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@CopperKettle The bridge reminds me of spaghetti.

CopperKettle

That was the destination, the Old Talc Quarry

A flooded open-pit quarry where talc was mined

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hah, I read that I flooded open-pit. . .

CopperKettle

It's 32 meters deep.

Damkerng T.

Oh!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:36

@CopperKettle Heh! More than Caspian sea!

CopperKettle

I took a short swim, but the water was too cold.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Actually, it's pretty fun when you get used to that water.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yes, but it was strange to swim with everybody watching agog, so I got out. (0:

Because it was not a very hot day. (0:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh that's. . .

CopperKettle

It's plus 15C now

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:42

You guys live in a fridge.

CopperKettle

The food on the picture is called shashlik in Russian (0:

I guess it's a Turkish word

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M We have a saying. "Summers in the Urals are short, but there's almost no snow!"

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@CopperKettle It is!

We call is Shishlik.

CopperKettle

Shashlik

Shashlik or shashlyk (Armenian: խորոված khorovats, Azerbaijani: şişlik or tikə kabab, Georgian: მწვადი mtsvadi, Persian: شیشلیک‎, Russian: шашлы́к, Lithuanian: šašlykas, Turkish: şaşlık, Kurdish: Biraşka şîşê‎, Hebrew: שישליק‎, Hindustani: شاشلِک or षअषईक), is a form of Shish kebab popular in Eastern and Central Europe (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Lithuania, Hungary), the Caucasus (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia), Central Asia, Afghanistan, India, Iran, Israel, The Levant, Mongolia, Morocco, Pakistan, Turkey, and other places. Shashlik (meaning skewered meat) was originally made of lamb. Nowadays...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yep, I'm being too much correct these days.

CopperKettle

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:49

My photographer @Copper friend!

CopperKettle

bows down

(0:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Arrows up

:0)

CopperKettle

My mother used to visit this place each summer in a pioneer camp. (0:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You have a fun life.

CopperKettle

Young Pioneer camp

Young Pioneer camp (Russian: Пионерский лагерь) was the name for the vacation or summer camp of Young Pioneers. In the 20th century these camps existed in many socialist countries, particularly in the Soviet Union. The Young Pioneer camps of the Soviet Union were the place of vacation for children from the Young Pioneer organization of the Soviet Union during summer and winter holidays. == History == The first All-Union Young Pioneer camp, Artek was formed on June 16, 1925. The Young Pioneer camp phenomenon grew in popularity and in 1973 in the USSR existed approximately forty thousand Yo...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:50

Mine is gonna be miserable for the next two years.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I thought you would go to a Uni to study chemistry

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, the exam before that is. . .Goddamn.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You're so interested in chemistry you should ace it!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I wish it was just chemistry.

CopperKettle

In Russia we have the so-called Unified State Exam, with Language+Maths as basics and one other subject (say, chemistry, biology etc) as target subject depending on your intended university

So a person wishing to study for a chemist specialist will take a Russian, Math and a Chem exams. But with top universities there are additional exams..

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:58

Well, in Iran, it's just one exam, and it's everything: From theology to geology to chemistry.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M But spread over different days?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No.

I know. Idiots!

CopperKettle

hmm.. In one day they demand you to pass several exams? In Russia they are spread apart by 7 days.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes.

And the score basically is your destiny.

Being chosen for good universities depends on it.

No more exams, no nothing.

CopperKettle

No second chance a year later?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:01

So, someone who's good at Theology will apparently make a good chemist.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M With God's help.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@CopperKettle They're not that infuriating. You can take it a second time.

But that just means you've lost a year of your life.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M nods that is the issue here to, so this year they've introduced a "second-chance" exam period in September

So as not to force people to lose time.

Starting from next year, they plan to make the exam a year-round affair

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M When I needed to focus this winter and spring, I just used StayFocusd and shut off Facebook and StackExchange and other stuff.. I would probably try doing that before an exam.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah, I wanted to do that.

I might just install it.

CopperKettle

I heard some people ask friends to change their passwords and only tell them the changed passes when the exam season has finished. (0:

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M are there viva voce exams, or all is done using paper forms?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:08

Only paper.

CopperKettle

nods

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Common! Oral exams and modern methods and Iran?!

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I thought it was "modern" to only use paper forms, so as not to give opporunity to corruption..

..because with oral exams you could bribe your way into a university

..at least here

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@CopperKettle Oh there is corruption alright. How many kilos would you want?

Usually not at the top results though.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M kilos? Kilograms?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:14

Yeah, it's sometimes traded as tons too.

CopperKettle

2

Q: Can the adjectivized nouns have a plural form?

Good day! Explain me please:) Is is right to say: Five-storeys houses or Five-storey houses? Thanks a lot!

plural

It seems to me that sometimes noun adjuncts do have the plural form

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Now go and explain the OP please.

Of course they do.

CopperKettle

No, I'm too sleepy. (0:

Catija

@CopperKettle I actually think your answer is good. Just because F.E. disagrees doesn't mean you're wrong.

CopperKettle

@Catija Thanks! I just got curious. I don't care if someone else answers. (0:

Good night, Maramezani, @Catija!

Catija

19:31

Night @CopperKettle

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@CopperKettle G'night!

Jéferson Bueno

21:06

Hi

someone here? hehe

Anonymous

@Catija It's always been 3 as far as I'm aware.

Anonymous

Which is too bad, because most sites need at least 4.

Anonymous

@JéfersonBueno Hello!

Jéferson Bueno

hei @snailboat how are you?

Anonymous

@Catija But I think they might have made an exception for one or two bigger sites like SO

Anonymous

21:15

@JéfersonBueno I'm doing well today, how about you? :-)

Catija

@snailboat Anime has five and they're not even out of Beta yet.

Anonymous

@Catija That's interesting. I wonder how they convinced SE to let them have five. (Well, I know one of the moderators now works for SE.)

Jéferson Bueno

Oh I'm fine, but sleepy D:

Anonymous

Or perhaps they changed it after I last added a close reason...?

Anonymous

I'll try to add a fourth on Japanese.SE and see what happens.

Catija

21:18

@snailboat Mods just have to ask for them (you can have up to five) and be able to defend why you need it. Arqade has four... M&TV is in the process of requesting a fourth.

Anonymous

@Catija Oh, so you do have to try to convince SE?

Anonymous

Meh.

Catija

@snailboat I'm not sure of the process but they have to "unlock" the space for you... but they can and will do it.

Anonymous

@JéfersonBueno It's still 2 in the afternoon here in California

Anonymous

@Catija Maybe their attitude toward having more than three has changed since they set the system up.

Catija

21:23

@snailboat Quite possible.

Jéferson Bueno

@snailboat of sunday, I supose

Anonymous

That's right, it's Sunday here.

Anonymous

I guess it's already Monday in some parts of the world :-)

Jéferson Bueno

Oh, that's possible. Here is 18:30

Ops, 6:30 PM

Sunday is ending :/

Anonymous

timeanddate.com/worldclock/kiribati/kiritimati

Jéferson Bueno

21:32

Oh, sad for them. I don't like mondays hehe

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