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19:01
Well, he is described as a great warrior, and I see why he's a hero in the Muslim world - he kicked the Crusaders out
But let Orthodox people continue with their faith
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@CopperKettle Yeah that's what I like about him.
I mainly know about him from popular TV shows and a bit of Wikipedia
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I mean liberal in thinking.
@Arrowfar He is described as very "knightly" for his age
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@CopperKettle I see :)
19:02
I mean with principles of honor
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Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn Yūsuf bin Ayyūb (Arabic: صلاح الدين يوسف بن أيوب‎, Kurdish: سەلاحەدینی ئەییووبی, Turkish: Selahaddin Eyyubi) (1137/1138 – March 1193), better known in the Western world as Saladin, was the first Sultan of Egypt and Syria and the founder of the Ayyubid dynasty. A Muslim of Kurdish origin, Saladin led the Muslim opposition to the European Crusaders in the Levant. At the height of his power, his sultanate included Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, Hejaz, Yemen and other parts of North Africa. Originally sent to Fatimid Egypt by his Zengid lord Nur ad-Din in 1163, Saladin climbed the ranks of...
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@CopperKettle But you wanna you something interesting?
@Arrowfar Know something interestin? Yes
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heh I am typing.
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@CopperKettle The extremists party these days (IS) wants a leader like him! That's what surprises me.
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19:06
@DamkerngT. At the moment, typing! :-)
@Arrowfar They should stop chopping heads left and right for starters.
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I can type-chat fairly quickly on my phone, actually. I mean, much more slowly than at a computer, but fast enough.
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@CopperKettle I know, right? I agree.
@snailboat When I pronounce everything right and I keep my words not too complicated, Siri can type faster than me.
@Arrowfar ISIL, the Islamic State? They are very strange. I don't understand how do they attract so many volunteers.
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19:07
@CopperKettle Yeah I have the exact same question.
@Arrowfar They reportedly recruit Tajiks and other Central Asian folk in Russia
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Well, forget that stuff. I think we digressed :)
@Arrowfar okay (0:
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@CopperKettle Ah, I didn't know that. Interesting!
Speaking of Tajiks, what do you think of Massoud?
Ahmad Shah Massoud (Dari Persian: احمد شاه مسعود; September 2, 1953 – September 9, 2001) was an Afghan political and military leader, who was a powerful military commander during the resistance against the Soviet occupation between 1979 and 1989 and in the following years of civil war. He was assassinated on September 9, 2001. Massoud came from an ethnic Tajik, Sunni Muslim background in the Panjshir valley of northern Afghanistan. He began studying engineering at Polytechnical University of Kabul in the 1970s, where he became involved with fundamentalist Muslim anti-communist movements around...
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19:10
Searching...
He is a kind of a hero in Russia, despite fighting against Russian forces
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Yeah I haven't studied about him.
Because he was very statesman-like, a patriot of Afghanistan
So former Afghan War generals speak well of him
He held a whole valley throughout the whole 10 years of the war with the USSR
"Lion of Panjshir" - the Panjshir valley
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I haven't studied Afghan history but I have heard about the Soviet–Afghan War (1979).
Russia ended up helping him in the late 1990s when the Taliban were approaching the border
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19:14
Interesting!
@Arrowfar Yes, quite! The same generals who fought against him (0:
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Wow.
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Well, war is crazy! :)
Then the Taliban assassinated him - a couple of days before the terrorist attacks of 11 sept 2001
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I see
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19:16
@CopperKettle Due to mutiny?
@Arrowfar No, he was one of the leaders of the Northern Alliance that held a strip of land unconqured by the Taliban in 2001, in the North of Afghanistan.
A couple of assassins posed as TV journalists
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Yeah I just read:
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Ahmad Shah Massoud (Dari Persian: احمد شاه مسعود; September 2, 1953 – September 9, 2001) was an Afghan political and military leader, who was a powerful military commander during the resistance against the Soviet occupation between 1979 and 1989 and in the following years of civil war. He was assassinated on September 9, 2001. Massoud came from an ethnic Tajik, Sunni Muslim background in the Panjshir valley of northern Afghanistan. He began studying engineering at Polytechnical University of Kabul in the 1970s, where he became involved with fundamentalist Muslim anti-communist movements around...
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I just read the "assassination" link above.
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@CopperKettle And these days all the conflict is in Yemen, Syria etc.
19:22
@Arrowfar Yes, its a headache to read about for the sheer number of groups fighting against each other, all with fancy names
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Exactly.
Operation Zarb-e-Azb (Urdu: آپریشن ضربِ عضب‎ ALA-LC: Āpres̱ẖan Ẓarb-i ʿAẓb pronounced [ɑːpreːʃən zərb-e əzb]) is a joint military offensive being conducted by the Pakistan Armed Forces against various militant groups, including the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, al-Qaeda, Jundallah and the Haqqani network. The operation was launched on 15 June 2014 in North Waziristan along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border as a renewed effort against militancy in the wake of the 8 June attack on Jinnah International Airport...
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@CopperKettle hey, can I share a Soviet joke? It is harmless :-)
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You are free to joke about my country as well :)
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I thought I'd ask first.
19:28
Okay! (0: I know zero jokes about Pakistan (0:
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@CopperKettle So the other day someone was saying that even Chuck Norris will wear a bullet proof jacket in Soviet Union :-)
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@CopperKettle Well I think Pakistan is more unstable than Russia these days, don't you agree?
Heh (0:
@Arrowfar Probably yes, sadly.
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Yeah Pakistan is well, meh. Many educated people are going abroad.
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I mean many of my friends didn't continue their education here.
19:31
Emigration from Russia also doubled from early 2014
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Ah I see
Because we're turning into Putinistan
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@CopperKettle So most people leave Pakistan and move to Dubai. The reason is that they get rich very quickly there I hear (no taxes)
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But I hate that place, I don't know why?
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I mean I'll earn almost 10 times more there but still I am staying here.
19:34
@Arrowfar Maybe it's hotter
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@CopperKettle Yeah that too.
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But it is very developed. No power outages etc.
@Arrowfar Yes, it looks very rich..
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I mean no crime, no pollution, almost no taxes, good environment etc.
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@CopperKettle Yeah man, they drive Lamborghini and Ferraris there heh.
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19:37
I mean not everyone, of course.
@Arrowfar (0:
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in English Language & Usage, Jun 23 at 21:10, by Arrowfar
No wonder they drive Porsche 918 Spyder, Ferrari S.p.A. etc. in Dubai. It is all oil baby.
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Oil rules the planet.
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Next is water I guess.
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Hey, Mad Max Fury has a similar story!
19:39
Yes, oil and lately, gas.
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Yeah gas as well, of course.
But I heard they are building a 1GW solar power plant in Pakistan
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They are? I see. I am not following the news very closely these days.
Solar power tech has been developing very fast recently
And there are hundreds of thousands of electric cars on roads (US and Europe)
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Yeah I think should build such things here. This country needs it.
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19:44
@CopperKettle Good news. But nothing gets done here due to corruption I reckon.
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Check this out:
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Someone shared this link in ELU chat.
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Pakistan is red!
And Dubai is yellow!
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19:49
Yes it is!
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I didn't even notice it, so small.
According to this diagram, Russia is worse off in terms of corruption than Pakistan
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Hmm
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Well they made a mistake while making this chart I guess :)
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Or Russian officials failed to bribe them (0:
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19:52
Haha!
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:D
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Oh boy! Bribery is so common here as well. I hate it!
Yesterday, a Russian family that sold poppy seed buns in their caffee was sentenced to jail terms of 8 years.. for "drug dealing"
One of the reasons why people redoubled their efforts to emigrate from Russia
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So the people who are good at following religion here, they never bribe even when they are in trouble. I like and respect those people.
Lawlessness
@Arrowfar That's good!
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19:56
So here if you get stopped my police in the middle of a road and you give the officer some money he smiles and says "You are good to go my friend".
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Shucks!
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It is that bad but not all of them are like that of course.
@Arrowfar Agreed. Here people who over-speed and kill pedestrians get easy punishment - if they have powerful relatives or money
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Oh
There have been several notorious cases.. despite public outcry, they get off the hook
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19:59
Yeah.
But if you baked poppy seed buns, it's eight years for you.
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Poppy seed is an oilseed obtained from the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum). The tiny kidney-shaped seeds have been harvested from dried seed pods by various civilizations for thousands of years. The seeds are used, whole or ground, as an ingredient in many foods, and they are pressed to yield poppyseed oil. == History == The poppy seed is mentioned in ancient medical texts from many civilizations. For instance, the Egyptian papyrus scroll named Ebers Papyrus, written c. 1550 BC, lists poppy seed as a sedative. The Minoan civilization (approximately 2700 to 1450 BC), a Bronze Age civilization which...
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I see, it comes from opium.
No, poppy seed is harmless..
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ahh
20:01
It contains about 0.0001% of opiates..
"trace amounts"
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So why the punishment?
based on this, people get jail terms
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Maybe that little amount is harmful too?
@Arrowfar Because Russia's anti-drug agency wants more power in its rivalry with the FSB, and for other strange reasons.. I don't know really. Innocent people are jailed.
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I see.
20:04
Maybe officials try to extort money from those who sell poppy seeds and from bakeries
""All this for simple poppy-seed buns sold in a café," wrote the Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda on July 7. "And, of course, for the refusal to give money to the Federal Service for Drug Control.""
It's very weird.
Part of the spiral of madness that is going on.
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Looks complicated and evil.
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All for money I bet.
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@CopperKettle Afghanistan is the biggest supplier of opium I hear.
@Arrowfar Yes, it hit the record last year.
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They say most of IS is funded by drug money (opium). I don't know if it is true or not.
20:08
@Arrowfar I've read that opium money is quite meager in Afghanistan itself, the majority of money is earned closer to the customer.
The traffickers earn the bigger cut of the profits. And the traffickers are Central Asian mafias, linked to officials there.
So I doubt that IS is funded by opium. I heard they captured some oil facilities.
Turkey should just restore the Ottoman Empire and bring back peace. (0:
"there were between 12 million and 21 million opiate users worldwide in 2009, who generated an estimated $68 billion in revenue for traffickers—$60 billion of this total came from opiates grown in Afghanistan. "
I've read that for Afghan-based dealers it was only 2 to 4 million US dollars..
Even it the IS controls the entire trafficking chain, it wouldn't be enough to fund such an ambitious war, I guess.
I mean 2 to 4 billion US dollars, but still not much. The US spent many hundreds of billions on war.
They probably have "sponsors", or.. who knows.
"While opium and heroin production in Afghanistan has increased markedly since the mid-1990s, and export through Central Asia has probably increased proportionately more than production, drug seizures of opium by the police in Central Asian states has actually fallen (by about one-third) in the period"
So I guess for corrupt officials the ISIL is an easy bugbear - they could continue traffick drugs but blame the ISIL
Bye, @Arrowfar! Good-night!
 
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22:07
@CopperKettle IS is founded by some powers-that-be I believe.
@CopperKettle They do. Some "people" need war, fuel war, and nourish it. This is a sad truth.
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