ELL's Cabin

Damkerng T.

07:20

> He married, in 1623, Mary, the second of the four daughters and coheiresses of Nicholas Chrispe, of London, merchant, and first cousin of Sir Nicholas Chrispe, the great loyalist, by whom, who died in 1637, he had two sons and one daughter who survived him ; [...]
https://books.google.com/books?id=QS8wAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA53

Who is who in the sentence? How many people were mentioned? What are their relationships?

Damkerng T.

07:37

I guess that Mary was both a coheiresses and a first cousin of (Sir) Nicholas Chrispe.

Damkerng T.

07:59

A note on flexible word order in Thai: กับข้าววันนี้กินอร่อยจัง

(Some people will try to reanalyze the verb as an adjective, but I'd argue that it's possible that the speaker really means that he or she 'eats' the dishes and finds that the dishes are so delicious.)

(So it's not "The dishes today are 'delicious-eating'.")

(A little proof: กับข้าววันนี้(ฉัน)กินอร่อยจัง)

Damkerng T.

12:47

0

Q: The movie "Die Hard" or The "Die Hard" Movie?

Sometime like this case I don't know if I can put the name before or after the label (movie in this sentence)... The movie "Die Hard" or The "Die Hard" Movie? The variable "X" or The "X" variable? Are they both correct? What is their difference? What is the application of each? My que...

Reminds me of that question: the color red vs. the red color

Man_From_India

13:04

Good afternoon @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

Good evening!

Damkerng T.

13:22

Related: “I hate red color” or “I hate red”: why exactly is the first option ungrammatical. -- It was unfortunate that one of the OP's examples is about movies. (People would simply call its title.) But when talking about an instance of a type, from a learner's perspective, there are too many choices, e.g.: the color red or a color red or the red color or a red color or just color red or just red color or just red or even a/the color called red! The variable X or perhaps just variable X falls into this kind of construction. — Damkerng T. 4 mins ago

I commented!

Otherwise, it might get closed unfairly.

Man_From_India

I am not very sure about this. I mean what is correct or not. I think there is no rule, simply one is preferred over the other. And as a learner you have to learn that. Yes it should not get closed.

Damkerng T.

I'm sure there must be a rule or rules for this. (Imho, the matter, though complicated, still is simple enough.) But I haven't discovered this set of rules yet. :-)

Man_From_India

Same here :-(

Damkerng T.

nods

I tried to think about it a little, and found that it's complicated than I thought, though.

For example, we wouldn't say the X set, but a Die Hard movie is possible.

Or a good man named Joe is definitely grammatical, but what about a good man Joe?

Man_From_India

And copperkettle's question that you linked to is also very interesting.

Damkerng T.

13:30

Indeed!

I think in IT, the most confusing examples of this pattern is the abc file or the file abc.

I wonder if there is a document really writes something like the /tmp/junk file.

Probably, there are many of them!

Man_From_India

I used to write it this way - abc directory, or the directory named abc.

Damkerng T.

Let's see...

> For each given directory $dir in its argument list, the lib pragma also checks to see whether a directory named $dir/$archname/auto exists.

> --Programming Perl, 4th Edition

(One of the authors is a well-known user on ELU. :-)

Man_From_India

Oh i got it :-) he even comes here sometimes.

Damkerng T.

Yes! :D

Man_From_India

tchrist...just now remembered...i forgot his name :-)

Damkerng T.

13:44

> Some programs expect to be installed in a bin directory and then find their library modules in "cousin" files installed in a lib directory at the same level as bin.

An adjective bin! and lib!

Man_From_India

hmmm that's right...

Damkerng T.

> ... , because it works everywhere that Perl works; not all systems have a /dev/fd/ directory.

> If you install another port of Perl, including the one in the Win32 directory of the Perl distribution, then you'll have to modify the Windows Registry yourself.

> The files are placed in the auto/ directory of your system's Perl library, after which the files can be autoloaded on demand by the standard AutoLoader module.

> The crypt function is unsuitable for encrypting large quantities of data, not least of all because you can't get the information back. Look at the Crypt::*, Digest::*, and PGP::* directories on your favorite CPAN mirror for a slew of potentially useful modules.

Apparently, the authors seem to prefer the XYZ directory.

Man_From_India

I think I am getting native intuition :D

Damkerng T.

:D

Damkerng T.

14:09

But here is how Donald Knuth writes:

> The entire Stanford GraphBase, including all of its programs and data sets, is easy to download from the author’s website (see page iv). And the list of all SGB words is even easier to obtain, because it is in the file ‘sgb-words.txt’ at the same place.

> --The Art of Computer Programming, Volume 4A: Combinatorial Algorithms, Part 1, Donald E. Knuth

Man_From_India

So that means it's a matter of preference in this case...

Damkerng T.

Maybe

> Incidentally, the classical “knapsack problem” of operations research is different: It asks for a feasible subset C such that [image] is maximum, where each item c has been assigned a value v(c).

Interesting that he writes operations research.

A-HA!

Freddy

what is this?

Damkerng T.

> Operations research, or operational research in British usage, is a discipline that deals with the application of advanced analytical methods to help make better decisions.
(Wikipedia)

@Freddy We're trying to look for the pattern a/the XYZ directory/value/file vs. a/the directory/value/file XYZ.

M.A.Ramezani

Hullo world!

Damkerng T.

14:24

Hello!

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. I think I've seen the former a lot.

Wait... What's this XYZ again?

Is it the name of that directory/whatever?

Damkerng T.

I wonder which one is more common.

Just a placeholder.

Yes.

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. Maybe it would differ in each case?

Damkerng T.

nods

For one thing, I hate the red color sounds weird for most native speakers.

To the point that they'll say that it's ungrammatical.

M.A.Ramezani

You hate red?

Damkerng T.

14:28

Umm... no! It's just an example on ELL.

M.A.Ramezani

Hah.

What is this world getting to? No one has pinged me since last night.

Damkerng T.

All the answers suggest using either I hate red or I hate the color red instead.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Good evening!

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani Oh, no!

user116848

@Freddy Hi!

M.A.Ramezani

14:29

@Arrowfar Hullo!

@DamkerngT. Oh no indeed.

Freddy

@M.A. @arrow @dam @man Hola

user116848

Hola!

Damkerng T.

Hallo!

M.A.Ramezani

@Man... Oh @Man! Hullo!

user116848

How are we all today? :P

M.A.Ramezani

14:31

Or rather, as for following the trend in The Periodic Table, o/

@Arrowfar I'm all hyper.

Man_From_India

Hi @Freddy how is ur study going?

M.A.Ramezani

We've got elections baby!

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Good luck with the elections!

Freddy

@man Great! got Physics test tomorrow. :)

M.A.Ramezani

Well, I haven't nominated.

@Freddy Hah! My scorns ended and your grievances began.

Freddy

14:32

@M.A.Ramezani Elect someone who allows YouTube

Man_From_India

@M.A.Ramezani I am thinking of turning black stone into yellow gold. Can your knowledge in alchemy help at all? ;-)

M.A.Ramezani

@Freddy Wut?

I mean we have elections on chem.SE... Haha!

Man_From_India

@Freddy 12th std?

user116848

@Freddy He means SE elections :)

M.A.Ramezani

And bio.SE.

Freddy

14:33

@M.A.Ramezani OH!

@Man_From_India yes

M.A.Ramezani

> Nominations close in 5 hours.

I'm sooooooooooooooooo gonna be the first to vote.

user116848

You get a silver badge for participating in elections on SE. I voted last year on ELU and got one.

Man_From_India

@Freddy Mostly Newtonian Physics, if I am not wrong...linear...mostly...did they include quantum physics in syllabus?

M.A.Ramezani

Yay!

Is that badge multi-earnable?

Constituent

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani english.stackexchange.com/help/badges/116/…

M.A.Ramezani

14:36

Thumbs up The easiest badge to earn.

Freddy

Nope that was in 11th. In 12th it is all about electricity. @man

user116848

Yeah very easy. I didn't even notice it.

M.A.Ramezani

@Freddy I hate electricity physics.

Which explains why I'm not that passionate about redox in chemistry.

Damkerng T.

My first attempt to draft a hypothesis: a) use 'a/the XYZ something' when you think of it as 'a/the XYZ something' you're talking about; b) use 'a/the something XYZ' when you think of it as 'a/the something called XYZ; c) use 'something XYZ' when something is a title or a type of XYZ; d) use 'XYZ' when you think of XYZ itself as an entity.

Freddy

I hate fundamental part of that. I mean charge, potential, etc @M.A.Ramezani

M.A.Ramezani

14:39

Still meh.

Man_From_India

@Freddy syllabus changed...when I wrote my 12th final exam we had to study both 11th and 12th standard syllabus :-) semiconductor is explained in details then...when I was in ur class it had very little discussion on semiconductor physics. And I used to avoid it, coz that didn't make much sense to me :D later I started to grow interest in that silica that changed the electronics experience of today's world :-)

Damkerng T.

1

Q: "You have my word" or "You have my words"?

Why it is ""You have my word" rather than "You have my words"?"

nouns singular-vs-plural

When word means words!

Freddy

@man actually I have board exam every 6 months. So total I need to give 4 board exams. 2 left. I hate my state system!

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani I always found physics problem sums difficult in school.

user116848

And got average marks in them.

Freddy

14:43

@Arrowfar Yes they are. In most of them, we need to create situation and all need to remember hell lot of formulae

user116848

@Freddy Yeah exactly, kinda tricky.

Man_From_India

@Freddy can't help :-( so study on ur own whatever u like. but also prepare for exams :-)

Freddy

14:56

M.A.Ramezani

Who?

That's, my friend, the question.

Freddy

@Arrowfar Have you watch all the episodes of GOT?

@M.A.Ramezani That's about Game of Thrones

And I don't know that guy.

M.A.Ramezani

I know I know.

Freddy

What do you know?

M.A.Ramezani

Nevermind!

Freddy

15:02

@M.A. that's not fair, I was thinking something funny.

M.A.Ramezani

I'm a well-known cheater.

@Dam @Arrow @Fred Breaking news: M.A. Just Wrote Answer

Authorities baffled

Damkerng T.

Good news!

M.A.Ramezani

Also, hats off to @snailboat. I used some stuff I learned in her class a while ago.

0

A: This is a good news. This is good news

News itself is uncountable. Uncountable nouns don't take indefinite articles a and an; at least not directly. Let me explain. So far, we understood that This is *a good news. is ungrammatical, while the latter form isn't. What if you do need to specify a one about news? That's where class...

Would you kindly start nitpicking about it?

Man_From_India

Taking about snails...where is she now these days? :O

Damkerng T.

BTW, How often do people in other rooms say Pfft?

@Man_From_India Umm... I haven't seen her for three four days already.

M.A.Ramezani

15:12

@DamkerngT. Maybe as often as my eating ice cream.

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani Really? -- Going out looking for them in The Periodic room...

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. I don't pfft there.

Damkerng T.

It's in your example, I think. :-)

Oh, you know what? @M.A.Ramezani

M.A.Ramezani

I know what.

Damkerng T.

Well, try searching for Pfft in The Periodic Table.

M.A.Ramezani

15:15

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=pfft&room=3229

@Dam it's very often. ^

Damkerng T.

Yep! By exactly one user. :-)

M.A.Ramezani

VERY often.

Damkerng T.

LOL

M.A.Ramezani

I bet it's in the first 1000 common words in chatting.

Damkerng T.

trying to search for 'Pfft' in the ELU room...

M.A.Ramezani

15:17

Hah.

Damkerng T.

7 pages of Pfft!

M.A.Ramezani

Hah!

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=hah&room=22937

Damkerng T.

Hah!

There is even a question about Pfft!

18

Q: What's the verb for making that "pffft" sound?

I have a dialogue like this: "All I wanted to do was to keep a low profile" "Pffft. That worked well, we not only have the entire police force but also the entire mafia chasing us" I don't want to have the "pffft" written out in dialogue, so I'm looking for a verb to replace it with. "...

verbs expressions exclamations

M.A.Ramezani

Hah!

Damkerng T.

Is Pfft! an antonym of Hah!?

Umm...

I think the pronunciation given here is a bit funny!

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/pfft

(try clicking on its audio icons)

M.A.Ramezani

15:27

Haha, they fart!

Damkerng T.

I know, right?!

M.A.Ramezani

We don't go pfft like that in Persian.

Damkerng T.

I wonder if anyone pfft like that anywhere (except for in that dictionary).

M.A.Ramezani

Ours is like, I dunno, the air blow that comes from your mouth when you wanna clean the surface of something from dirt from the air.

Damkerng T.

I think it's supposed to sound something like that.

M.A.Ramezani

15:30

But more subtle, with a mouth more 'closed'.

Damkerng T.

So fat is a bit of a surprise!

M.A.Ramezani

Anyways, nothing more to nitpick about in my answer?

@DamkerngT. They said fart!

But more BrE.

Damkerng T.

I want to write that a the way they transcribe it, but well...

@M.A.Ramezani I think you've got a typo. :P -- for a touch guy like you

Um... sorry about my typo!

M.A.Ramezani

Damn!

Looks back...

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Congrats!

M.A.Ramezani

15:33

Don't 'congrats' me yet!

[Emoticon for bragging] I just earned electorate on meta.SE, and reviewer on ELL. [emoticon for bragging]

user116848

@Freddy Not yet, watching it slowly. I am on fifth episode.

Damkerng T.

[applauds]

M.A.Ramezani

[Bows]

user116848

[Arrows]

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani I got outspoken in Writer's chat. I only do the weekly writing exercise. Yay!

user116848

15:35

I mean I don't talk much there.

M.A.Ramezani

Yay

ayayayay...

user116848

Yay!

M.A.Ramezani

...yayayayyayaya...

user116848

:)

M.A.Ramezani

OK stop. My jaw hurts.

user116848

15:37

Icecream?

M.A.Ramezani

Not yet.

I'm plannin' on five for today.

<sober>

Damkerng T.

0

Q: Do you pronounce words in your head when reading?

Whenever I read (silently), I hear a voice in my head speaking the written words. I've tried to mute this voice while reading, but have been unable to thus far. Is this a universal aspect of reading, or a personal development?

reading

Interesting

M.A.Ramezani

Nice question! I wonder if I do that.

Damkerng T.

I remember that video. Feynman mentioned that a friend of his did it differently.

(while he couldn't)

M.A.Ramezani

I don't think I do that when reading, but I definitely murmur stuff before writing them.

Damkerng T.

15:44

I can't find that video now!

M.A.Ramezani

Even in more delicate writings, like when I write in I dunno, an international exam, I happen to read a lot of my sentences to myself to see if they make sense.

Damkerng T.

That's a common technique for proofreading.

Self-proofreading

But, let's say, what if we read a book.

M.A.Ramezani

Sometimes, specially when I'm using a complicated sentence structure, I pause on a sentence for even about a minute.

user116848

Oh, in exams sometimes I sit next to a person who is murmuring when writing, I hate it.

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. I don't hear myself when I read, I guess. I've never checked. It's something like breathing. When I was a kid, I wondered what breathing meant.

@Arrowfar Haha!

user116848

15:46

In some exams invigilators stop them, but other times meh. So I have to double focus.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani I know :(

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani You can try his experiment, if you'd like.

M.A.Ramezani

@Arrowfar In most exams, noises from outside pester me so much, I feel like a lunatic.

Not that I'm not one already.

user116848

lol

user116848

Yeah I feel the same way.

user116848

15:48

Then there is cheating sometimes, but not always.

user116848

I never tell anything to anyone though.

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. Oh I just remembered that when I wanna prove to someone else that I'm reading, I sometimes read the sentence aloud. When they're away, which is when I'm getting back to reading, I realize I haven't understood what I've read out loud.

user116848

Cheating is pointless.

Damkerng T.

Ah, that's quite possible.

M.A.Ramezani

@Arrowfar Indeed.

Damkerng T.

15:49

Sometimes when I copy something from a book by typing, I don't even know what I'm typing!

M.A.Ramezani

> Nominations close in 4 hours.

Oh man oh man oh man!

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani :D

user116848

Okay, I will be back after a while. Feel free to ping me.

user116848

Bye bye.

M.A.Ramezani

I wonder if it's gonna go all 10, 9, 8, 7, 6... in the end.

@Arrowfar Bye!

+1! This is a very interesting question. I don't find myself having that sound in my mind in any of the languages I can speak almost fluently. However, as @Mysti's comment subtly points out, people act on this matter very differently. I'm keenly waiting for answers to see whether this is a "learner's" issue or is it something language-oriented or -related. It might even be a psychological phenomenon but that would render this question off-topic. — M.A.Ramezani 17 secs ago

Notice the dashes @Dam.

Damkerng T.

15:59

:D

M.A.Ramezani

I suggest you upvote that before some -ahem- guy VTC's it.

Damkerng T.

I was making a puzzle, actually.

@M.A.Ramezani Sadly, I think it's off-topic too.

But let's let the OP get some feedback in comments.

M.A.Ramezani

It's marginal.

Damkerng T.

nods

Puzzle of the Day 20150615 (What does he say?): dropbox.com/s/v4goajp80nbq7s4/…

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. My ears!

Damkerng T.

16:04

:D

M.A.Ramezani

I sense a pfft in what he says.

Damkerng T.

I found the clip because I was looking for Pfft.

:D

M.A.Ramezani

MWAHAHHAHHHA!

Let me decode the rest.

Damkerng T.

I won't put this as an answer since I don't think it is one. However, I certainly "see" (I can visualise) words when I'm speaking. In fact, I can see whole sentences and sometimes images relating to the words I'm using/am about to use. These are more vivid in my native English, but are also present when I'm speaking in other languages I know. I'm more of a visual learner, hence perhaps, the imagery. I don't hear things when I'm reading (as I said, I'm a visual learner) but it doesn't surprise me at all that some do. — JMB 4 mins ago

Wow!

This is the first for me!

I've never seen words when I speak before.

Though I can see math formulas if I want to .

M.A.Ramezani

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING... WHERE ARE MY GLASSES?

Damkerng T.

16:13

:D

M.A.Ramezani

Then people say I'm the one who's crazy.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Fantasier

17:10

@DamkerngT. Do you have the link to the full clip?

M.A.Ramezani

@Fantasier He won't give it even if he has it.

Fantasier

@M.A.Ramezani Why nauuuut?

M.A.Ramezani

Because it's @Dam.

Fantasier

Thank you.

M.A.Ramezani

Also, it wouldn't be a puzzle then, would it?

Fantasier

17:12

Well it could still be a puzzle.

Just a little easier.

We don't listen to things in real life as snippets anyway.

M.A.Ramezani

I'm 87.53858% sure he won't.

Damkerng T.

17:30

Oh, the clip? A moment...

M.A.Ramezani

Noooooo!

Don't make me wrong!

Damkerng T.

:P

digging in his history...

The meaning of pfft

►

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. Is that a witch?

Damkerng T.

A man, obviously. :-)

I'm afraid it won't help much about the puzzle, though.

Fantasier

(A name), (a name)'s burning a (sth) lolol.

That's as far as I get (for now). lol

M.A.Ramezani

17:33

Well, I haven't listened to it for a second time.

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure about what I think I heard either. :-)

Fantasier

birthday.pizza

Let's eat pizza.

M.A.Ramezani

I just ate ice cream. Thanks.

Fantasier

But you can still have pizza.

Or ice-cream pizza.

Or pizza ice-cream

Damkerng T.

The year -4536787543526783417 is not available for me... -- sad

Fantasier

17:36

What lol

M.A.Ramezani

Pets @Dam

Fantasier

Was that before the Big Bang?

M.A.Ramezani

@Fantasier The first one?

Or the second one?

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani told me that I'm 4536787543526785432 years old.

M.A.Ramezani

He is.

Fantasier

17:37

@M.A.Ramezani Well, I'm more inclined to believe there was only one Big Bang, so.

M.A.Ramezani

Yeah... It doesn't matter anyways. @Dam was born before this one.

One = Universe.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Fantasier

Okay...

Damkerng T.

Anyway, don't forget to have pizza with anchovies, whatever planet you've got.

:P

M.A.Ramezani

But...

BUT...

Garfield hates anchovies!

Damkerng T.

17:40

Ah, I thought all cats loved anchovies!

Fantasier

Oh, that picture of yours led me here: honnibal.wordpress.com

M.A.Ramezani

Ask Hagu.

Damkerng T.

@Fantasier Yep!

M.A.Ramezani

@Fantasier Honnibal? Is he attacking Rome again?

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani He's crazy about anchovies.

M.A.Ramezani

17:43

@DamkerngT. Ask anchovies.

Fantasier

@M.A.Ramezani They're crazy about Hagu.

Wait who's Hagu?

M.A.Ramezani

@Dam's cat.

Damkerng T.

@Fantasier My cat. :-)

M.A.Ramezani

Or cat's @Dam.

Fantasier

@DamkerngT. Does the name mean anything?

M.A.Ramezani

17:44

Cat Or's @Dam.

O.0

Damkerng T.

Not really. The vet asked for his name, and somehow that name just came up in my head.

M.A.Ramezani

@Fantasier It means the cat of the robot.

Damkerng T.

(In Thai: ฮางุ)

Fantasier

@M.A.Ramezani In what language?

@DamkerngT. Sounds Japanese enough.

Damkerng T.

Indeed!

M.A.Ramezani

17:46

@Fantasier In Somewherian language.

Fantasier

Oh, Katakana ハグ (hagu) is "hug"

Damkerng T.

Probably a mix-up of Haiku + Naruto + Shichimaru. :-)

But "hug" sounds nice, of course. :D

M.A.Ramezani

@Dam you're weird.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

M.A.Ramezani

Who names their cat hug?

Fantasier

17:48

Well it sounds like an appropriate name to me.

Damkerng T.

Oh, he likes me to hug him a lot.

M.A.Ramezani

Hug, come here!

@DamkerngT. Still, not a reason.

Fantasier

It's better than how my friend names a dog.

Damkerng T.

What's the name?

Fantasier

He named a dog "หมี" (bear).

M.A.Ramezani

17:49

That doesn't mean it's good.

Damkerng T.

LOL!

M.A.Ramezani

@Fantasier How big is that dog?

Fantasier

@M.A.Ramezani Not so big I guess.

M.A.Ramezani

Yeah. Smaller than a whale.

Fantasier

So to be unambiguous he needed to refer to it as "หมาที่ชื่อหมี" (A dog called "bear")

In almost every sentence he talked about it.

Damkerng T.

17:50

Some dogs are as big as a horse, though.

M.A.Ramezani

The world is full of creeps.

Damkerng T.

At least a small horse.

Fantasier

The world's crazy.

@M.A.Ramezani I'd usually disagree with that. But I think it's a little true in this case lol

M.A.Ramezani

Am currently watching:

The Sixth Extinction

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Damkerng T.

We had five so far?

M.A.Ramezani

17:52

Yes.

Fantasier

TL;DW

Can you summarize it for me?

M.A.Ramezani

Am currently watching, if you guys let me.

Damkerng T.

Sounds like Depp Impact or The Day After Tomorrow is coming up in the video.

Plus An Inconvenient Truth.

M.A.Ramezani

Well, I really like their videos.

I thought I'd never say that ^ to any video producer in YouTube.

Damkerng T.

Word of the day: anthropocene

M.A.Ramezani

17:59

@DamkerngT. BTW that video uses really nice English.

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