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Anonymous
19:02
@DamkerngT. It's been argued that Japanese classifiers are a feature borrowed from Chinese
Anonymous
Although some have argued that Japanese had its own classifiers, and it was greatly expanded by borrowing from Chinese
Anonymous
I'm not sure to what extent classifiers in East and Southeast Asia are the result of language contact
Me either. Though I'm pretty sure that Southern China and Thai-Lao in the old days were somehow related.
Ah, I should write Thai as Thailand in English, but would be a bit weird since back then Thailand would be Siam.
Anonymous
Hmm, that's an interesting topic
Anonymous
19:07
Say, how is Siam pronounced in Thai?
I found an interesting book during a search: Chinese and Thai Numeratives
@snailboat Like this: Sa-yaam.
(สยาม)
Google Translate can say it properly.
Anonymous
Ah, thanks :-)
Anonymous
I found [sàˈjǎːm] on Japanese Wikipedia
(Though she pronounces the second syllable a bit too long. :-)
Yes. The tonal marks are correct.
Anonymous
I was trying to figure out it became シャム in Japanese
19:11
Oh, interesting!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. See, aren't those tonal marks easier to read than the ones on Wiktionary?
Indeed!
Anonymous
Tone letters are letters that represent the tones of a language, most commonly in languages with contour tones. == Chao tone letters (IPA) == A series of iconic tone letters based on a musical staff was invented by Yuen Ren Chao and adopted into the International Phonetic Alphabet. Combinations of these tone letters are schematics of the pitch contour of a tone, mapping the pitch in the letter space and ending in a vertical bar. For example, [ma˨˩˦] represents the mid-dipping pitch contour of the Chinese word for horse, 马 mǎ. Single tone letters differentiate up to five pitch levels: ˥ 'extra...
This is funny. I paste สยาม onto Google Translate and try clicking the "speak" icon. It gives me very long "yaaam" and standard long "yaam" alternately. :D
Anonymous
Hmm! :-)
19:17
I think the contour tones idea is interesting, but I guess that they must've got too many contours across languages.
Anonymous
I don't know too much about tones in different languages
Look at this info about the Hmong language!
> So much information is conveyed by the tones that it is possible to speak intelligibly using musical tunes only; there is a tradition of young lovers communicating covertly this way by playing on a jew's harp (though this method may also convey vowel sounds)
Hello @AaronBrown! Welcome to the chat room!
Oh, why is A Manual for Writers of Research Papers, Theses, and Dissertations, Eighth Edition cheaper than The Chicago Manual of Style?
(For the former, it's Cloth $42.50, Paper/E-book $18.00; for the latter, it's only Cloth $65.00.)
Chicago Manual of Style is expensive because it is well known and respected.
Brand recognition is worth $$$
Unless you're required to buy it for a class or something, there are definitely cheaper alternatives.
19:28
Any suggestions for the alternatives?
What do you want it for?
Just a writing style guide?
For my own reading and as a reference.
Yes.
Hullo @Aaron!
@AaronBrown Exactly.
Strunk and White's The element's of style is very good and less expensive
Sony's laptops are usually about 1000 dollars more expensive than other laptops in other brands.
19:31
amazon.com/The-Elements-Style-Fourth-Edition/dp/020530902X/… Don't know what country you're in, but this is the one I'm referring to.
I'm from Thailand.
Anonymous
The CMOS has a lot of detailed, practical advice
Anonymous
S&W isn't really the same kind of book
@AaronBrown Thanks for the suggestion. I think I need something a bit more in detail than The Elements of Style. (I'm reading it on Gutenberg.org.)
Anonymous
Yeah, S&W is a few dozen pages of advice
19:36
Yeah, Chicago Maunal of Style is definitely good and worth the cost, I was just suggesting other resources if you don't want to spend the money on it.
Anonymous
The CMOS is nearly a thousand pages of details
like snailboat says if you can afford it it's a good investment
A Manual for Writers of Research Papers, Theses, and Dissertations is quite cheaper. (It's only $12 on Kindle.)
OK I'm done with the games
@M.A.Ramezani Congrats!
19:37
For now.
The problem is I don't know if it's really related to CMOS.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. If you go one edition back (15th instead of 16th), you can find cheap used copies :-)
Oh, yes! -- trying Amazon.co.jp...
Hullo @eatq! And what a weird username!
Anonymous
Hmm, it looks like the US site has cheap copies of the 15th edition, but the Japanese site doesn't seem to
19:39
@snailboat Hmm... it has to be 14th to be cheap.
About style...
Anonymous
See, it's cheap from the US site. (Do they not ship to Thailand? I forgot.)
Well, what can I say? There's no style in Iran!
@snailboat Yes, and my gut feeling says those cheap 15th ed. copies on Amazon.com won't ship to Thailand.
19:40
People do what they want to.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Sad!
There's usually no one to pick on their research's "style".
And the people that know stuff well enough to be able to pick on, don't pick on.
@M.A.Ramezani Your editor, perhaps. :D
Pfft.
Editor? Get real!
Oh I mean...Whatevs, sorry.
19:42
@DamkerngT. A Manual for Writers of Research Papers, Theses, and Dissertations looks like a decent reference for Research Papers. It's not directly related to CMOS but it has authors from the University of Chicago
CMOS is more of an all-purpose writing style guide
Oh, that sounds great!
also CMOS 14th ed. is still good, it's still only 22 years old. English hasn't change that much since then. It's just not going to have as much information about dealing with electronic sources and things like that.
The 14th ed. is only $6.
Anonymous
Yay!
But!
Domestic shipping only!
Anonymous
19:55
Oh no!
Gotta go. Thanks for the tips, everyone!
@snailboat Please say hello to Pliny for me. :-)
zzz
See ya
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Rest well!
Anonymous
Due to a misunderstanding, one of my friends thinks my pet snail Pliny is named The Treason of Isengard
Anonymous
I couldn't bring myself to disabuse them of the notion... :-)
20:08
Hahahaha
Hello, the treason of Isengard. Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

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