ELL's Cabin

Anonymous

00:42

"Unstar as interesting" is okay

Anonymous

Think of it like this:

Anonymous

Un-[ star as interesting ]

Anonymous

[ unstar ] as uninteresting

Anonymous

The question is, what is the semantic scope of the negative un-

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Though it's understandable, reading it as "Un-[ star as interesting ]" is still a little weird to me.

Anonymous

00:46

That's fair

Anonymous

To me personally it lacks weirdness

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

But I'm a weird one myself :-)

Anonymous

So who knows how reliable my judgments really are?

Damkerng T.

Apparently, tchrist also thinks it's perfectly okay, so I think it's probably the normal reading.

Anonymous

00:47

Yeah, that's my intuition

Anonymous

I dislike the idea of adding a second un-

Anonymous

It changes the semantics subtly, anyway

Anonymous

See, with un- [ star as interesting ] (and let me be very clear, this bracketing is only semantic, not syntactic; in terms of grammar it's a prefix attached to only one word), you get the idea that you're undoing the operation [ star as interesting ]

Anonymous

You aren't necessarily saying the message is uninteresting.

Damkerng T.

nods -- And this happens in a language that double negation is common!

(It ain't do you no good!)

Anonymous

00:51

So in terms of user interface, I think the way it is is more appropriate than the grammatical but marked and semantically less appropriate unstar as uninteresting

Anonymous

Your example is negative concord

Damkerng T.

I think maybe saying "unstar as uninteresting" would sound wrong because we don't really think of the message as "uninteresting" when we unstar it.

Anonymous

Yeah, it's not as appropriate

Damkerng T.

nods

But I was thinking of something like "unstar the message" or perhaps simply just "unstar".

Anonymous

01:15

That works, though I think it's best the way it is

Anonymous

Since this way we have the idea that we're undoing the operation "star as interesting"

Anonymous

I decided Man from India's question is tougher than I thought

Anonymous

My initial attempts at explaining it don't hold up when I put them to closer scrutiny

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I think it's also related to another kind of patterns.

> She's playing volleyball.

> She's playing I think volleyball.

Anonymous

I think that we could explain it in terms of a limited range of clauses literally expressing indeterminacy, implying something like 'to such a great extent it is unknowable / difficult to know exactly', and we can say that this class of clauses substitutes for various phrases that they're semantically aligned with

Anonymous

01:17

That's different

Anonymous

That's only possible if I think is a parenthetical

Damkerng T.

nods -- Just related.

Anonymous

Whereas there is no parenthetical in these

Damkerng T.

> I've been waiting for so long.

> I've been waiting for I don't know how so long.

Anonymous

> I've been waiting for [ I don't know how long ＿＿＿ ] .

Damkerng T.

01:19

> I've been waiting for... I think you know how so long.

Anonymous

Syntactically there's no relationship to the sentence with so, I don't think

Anonymous

It's just a paraphrase

Damkerng T.

Yes.

I mean they're just something I think can work in the same position of a sentence.

Anonymous

You can write that as "I've been waiting for { I don't know how / so } long."

Damkerng T.

Ahh

Anonymous

01:22

Linguists use that notation sometimes

Anonymous

> That's the girl { who / that / ＊∅ } ate two pounds of spaghetti in one sitting.

Anonymous

(The third option is grammatical in some non-standard varieties of English)

Anonymous

Maybe I could mark what and zero as non-standard with exclamation points :-)

user116848

01:44

It is morning here.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat :D

Frozen - "You Look Beautifuller" + The Dance With Duke Weselton English HD

►

The duke's hair is surely flappable!

user116848

I don't normally come at this time of the day, looks different. It is quiet.

Damkerng T.

02:30

Puzzle of the Day 20150509 (from ELL): dropbox.com/s/96s2qmbcn0dmxt2/…

Freddy

07:05

@Lamart I think it is correct "unstar as interesting" means it it not interesting so unstar it.

Damkerng T.

08:46

0

A: Why can adjectives like "cool" and "stupid" and the adverb "proudly" modify the verb "play"?

I disagree with the answers stating that "cool" and "stupid" are used as adjectives here. If someone "plays it cool," that person might be a "cool" person, but that is not what the sentence is saying. And "cool" can't be a predicate adjective because "play" is not a linking verb! Moreover, the f...

:D

Damkerng T.

09:05

Do an image search on the web for "baby hold on arms" and "baby hold in arms" -- so I tried. I also checked out the Google image search results of baby hold on arms to see the text, and found that most of the time it's "in arms" or it's only about "baby" not really about "arms" (I wonder how much Google would care about in or on in such a search), and when I found "on" close to "arms", it usually is about the baby's arms, not the arms of someone who's holding the baby. This Google Ngram search also suggests the opposite of "basically the same", imho. — Damkerng T. 22 secs ago

Prepositions are hard.

user62015

@DamkerngT. Hi!

Damkerng T.

Hi!

Welcome back!

user62015

Thanks.

How is going?

Damkerng T.

How's it going? It's going quite well. Thanks! What about you?

user62015

I am doing great.

Damkerng T.

09:14

Glad to hear that!

user62015

I am sorry, yesterday, I needed to leave. So you want me to choose any Hollywood star and try to copy his accent to learn the American accent?

Damkerng T.

Hollywood actors are fine. It doesn't have to be an actor, anyway. Just someone you can have a lot of his (or her) samples would be fine.

user62015

I understood your point.

Anything else you would like to add?

Damkerng T.

So I guess you already have someone in mind, right?

@user62015 Oh, a lot. But let's take it step by step.

user62015

I will choose. At present I don't have anyone in mind. Do you have any suggestion?

Damkerng T.

09:19

I think today we could review yesterday transcription together for a bit, then you tell me about the accent model you chose and we take a look at his voice together, and then we can discuss how the drills (or the practice) would be like. Does that sound good?

@user62015 In theory, he should be someone who has about the same voice as yours.

user62015

Sure. Sounds good. Please go ahead.

Damkerng T.

It's usually easier to pick someone around the same age, same height, and not talking too fast.

(I picked Tom Cruise when I started.)

user62015

Okay.

Damkerng T.

Have you compared the original transcription with yours?

user62015

I am 24. I watch movies but not that much and honestly I do not care about stars' names.

Let me ask you something?

Damkerng T.

09:22

Yes?

user62015

Does your accent sound like an American or it comes from your local language?

Damkerng T.

I don't really aim to have 100% American accent, but I model my accent after AmE, which is entirely different from my first language.

There are two main goals in doing this.

user62015

Okay. Let me know them?

Damkerng T.

One is to make it a bit easier for other people to understand what I say.

Freddy

try dubmash might help to learn accent with fun(If I get correctly what you both are talking of)

Damkerng T.

09:25

The other is to develop my ears.

Freddy

@user62015 Robots can talk in any accent

user62015

Checking the link.

Freddy

Basically it is app

user62015

One request but it is not something I want to test you like that. But I would love to listen to your accent?

Damkerng T.

Sorry, my browser just crashed.

user62015

09:27

That's fine.

Freddy

2 mins ago, by Freddy

@user62015 Robots can talk in any accent

Damkerng T.

Sure. I posted my reading aloud here too.

user62015

@Freddy I agree.

Damkerng T.

Apr 28 at 4:19, by Damkerng T.

Today I read... Maleficent's intro!

user62015

Checking

Damkerng T.

09:30

I evaluate myself as 75% AmE, 15% BrE, 10% Thai English.

Which reflects throughout in both my spoken and written English.

user62015

Sounds good.

Damkerng T.

Apr 21 at 0:07, by Damkerng T.

Just for fun reading: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hlkwq5opw1ka7m0/20150421%20Guy%20Noir%20Apri%2018%2C%2‌02015.mp3?dl=0

Freddy

my internet takes 4 min to download that!!

Damkerng T.

@user62015 I suppose that I'm not really good at voicing children's stories. Kindergarten teachers would be better than me. :D

user62015

@DamkerngT. Listening to it but you sounded good.

Damkerng T.

09:33

Thanks!

user62015

You accent is so sharp compare to other people from your country who also speak English.

Great Job!

Damkerng T.

Apr 19 at 14:52, by Damkerng T.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ombkq7b7vyn83y/20150419%20-%20Ch.%206.6%20Everyone%20‌is%20Important%20%28friendly%29.mp3?dl=0

user62015

Downloading.

Damkerng T.

@user62015 Both should come together, accent and listening. Improving one thing will improve the other. Good ears really help.

user62015

I agree.

it is awesome.

I would like to call it much better than last one! It was much clear.

Damkerng T.

09:40

Thanks!

user62015

You have worked harder a lit.

lot*

It was not easy to complete.

Damkerng T.

nods

I think, generally, our ears would be a little ahead of our accent.

Ears let us know how to perform it, but knowing it and performing it aren't exactly the same thing.

user62015

I agree.

Damkerng T.

Oh, I wanted to ask Freddy a bit more about that app.

My browser crashed when I clicked to open that app's homepage.

But its name sounds like something you could use in our drills.

Anyway, let's better have a look at the transcript. :-)

You can check your listening (we will focus more on accuracy of the sound your ears can catch not the comprehension) any time yourself. (In case you transcribe something and want to see how much you've progressed.)

23 hours ago, by user62015

@DamkerngT. Here we go: Good Morning! I am Nama Tame. I am sweeping the shelf epic (not sure about this part) traffic jam yesterday ..... one couple stuck on a free way a different kind of jam. Their unborn baby wouldn't wait to the hospital. So the father and local police officers helped to deliver the baby girl right there in the middle of afternoon rush hours. Mother and baby ultimately made to the hospital and 'yes' their are doing fine. Its morning edition.

22 hours ago, by Damkerng T.

> Good morning. I'm Renee Montagne. Snow and ice sweeping through the South caused an epic traffic jam yesterday around Atlanta. One couple stuck on the freeway found themselves in a different kind of jam. Their unborn baby wouldn't wait to get to the hospital. So the father and a local police officer helped deliver the baby girl right there in the middle of afternoon rush hour. Mother and baby ultimately made it to the hospital, and yes, they are doing fine. It's MORNING EDITION.

To check the accuracy, count only words that you can hear correctly the entire word.

For example, your officers doesn't count even though you was able to hear "officer" correctly, because he original is officer, no s.

user62015

@DamkerngT. I have to leave now. I am so sorry. I will ping you soon. May I leave?

Damkerng T.

09:50

"free way" is considered correct, because you can hear it correctly. (We don't care much out spelling and punctuation in our listening drills. Sounds are more important.)

@user62015 Okay! See you later!

user62015

I agree. Thanks. See you soon.

Damkerng T.

That was how I counted your result as 62 correct words (out of 84 words in the original).

Damkerng T.

10:27

For the lack of other stuff to read, I read the news!

dropbox.com/s/kh8dpbwnvdee386/…

Freddy

@DamkerngT. Have you heard of MVA?

microsoft virtual academy

Damkerng T.

Nope.

It's about Microsoft Technologies, I think.

Freddy

they are trying something like Khan Academy

Damkerng T.

A-ha!

Freddy

microsoftvirtualacademy.com

Damkerng T.

10:40

Wait, but Khan did general stuff, like math, science, etc.

Freddy

this general in science like HTML, python, etc

Damkerng T.

Ahh

Freddy

not as good as KA

@DamkerngT. Where did you learned programming

Damkerng T.

Mostly by myself.

Our teachers mostly just assigned challenging stuff, and we had to learn it on our own. :-)

It was something like developing an n-way terminal-based talk program in C, and we had 3 weeks from knowing nothing at all about C to finish the project. :-)

After our presentation, our teacher would give us the tip that a good solution to the spec out there was "ntalk" (which is the predecessor of Kntalk, I think), and "ntalk" had been implemented in shell script!

It was good old days. :-)

@Freddy How many courses have you tried on MVA?

barznjy

Hi

Damkerng T.

10:52

Hi! @barznjy

Welcome to the room!

barznjy

@DamkerngT. Thank you. I have a question

Damkerng T.

What's the question?

barznjy

Could you please tell me if this sentence is grammatically correct?
Which date and time is convenient with you, so that we can discuss my work.

Anonymous

Word of the day: boustrophedon

Damkerng T.

@barznjy Hmm... I'd recommend the other room for sentence correction. chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/7227/english-language-learners -- But it looks about okay, informally to me. I'd change a few words, if I were to say it, though.

@snailboat Oh! Oxen-ploughing direction!

barznjy

10:57

@DamkerngT. change what ?

Damkerng T.

@barznjy First, I would use what instead of which.

And I might change so that.

barznjy

@DamkerngT. Great

Freddy

@DamkerngT. only 1 video on python(on MVS), sorry there is problem with my wifi!

barznjy

@DamkerngT. What date and time is convenient with you, in order to discuss my work.

Damkerng T.

@Freddy Ahh... How is it? Is it as good as Khan Academy?

@barznjy That should work.

Freddy

11:01

nope it is boring 2 people like news on news channel explain the stuff. I thing it is good if you know nothing about programing

by nothing I mean don't know how to print "hello world"

Damkerng T.

@barznjy I might say, When would it be convenient for you to discuss our work/project/matter/etc.?

@Freddy Oh, no!

barznjy

@DamkerngT. Yes, I think this one is more polite

Freddy

12:53

@snailboat Which programming language you like the most?

Choko

14:42

No one's here again!

Moin!

Freddy

14:52

@Choko hola

Stack Exchange

16:49

0

Q: 'meaning' vs 'semantics' : Closed as a duplicate despite my explanation of the distinction?

I wrote about the distinction between the two posts in the first sentence, yet why was 'meaning' vs 'semantics' closed as a duplicate?

Damkerng T.

18:19

@Choko Morning!

0

Q: Please help me understand what the man said at 5:13 in this YouTube video

What are the transcripts at 5:13 of this YouTube video "What Would You Do With A Lost Wallet" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haJDju3LafU)? What I heard are: 5:13 That never happened. ??? that never ever happened. Many thanks.

listening

Aww... listening questions on ELL are unpopular!

Freddy

18:36

@DamkerngT. will that be closed, because that is not kind of SE question

Damkerng T.

I don't know!

It's unclear if they really want to practice listening or it was a one-time thing.

Oh, I see. They've posted a handful of listening questions!

We'd better tell them about this room!

Freddy

Yes I think I will leave comment there

Damkerng T.

@Freddy Oh, okay! Thanks in advance!

Freddy

I was about to write "thank me later"! :D

BTW your welcome

@DamkerngT. From where did you learned programming basics?

Damkerng T.

@Freddy Oh, from a very thin book!

Wait, do you mean BASIC the language or basic concepts of programming?

Freddy

18:46

basic concepts of programming

Damkerng T.

The thin book was about BASIC. I think I learned most of the concepts through trial-and-error.

Also, seeing other people's code helped.

It should be easier today. Someone should've pulled all those basic ideas together and put it succinctly enough.

The OOP is useful, the patterns are also useful, though all of those could come by naturally, without being taught.

I've been asked a lot of times, what's the most important thing in writing code?

I usually replied, make it readable.

Freddy

Yes that what I try while writing code, make it readable

even largest code I have written is of 60 lines in python

Damkerng T.

Haha!

Freddy

but almost every line have comment

Damkerng T.

Oh, I have one tip about comments (in code): don't repeat your code in comments

print 'Hello, world!'   # print the greeting "Hello, world!" message

^Not recommended!

Freddy

18:54

ohh okay...

Damkerng T.

This could be better (if we choose to comment print 'Hello, world! by any chance):

# Let's greet our user!
print 'Hello, world!'

Freddy

I normally do something like...

if value > largest_so_far: #condition for printing largest number

Damkerng T.

That's good.

It could even be better if you write something about "why" you have to do that if.

Basically, good comments usually fall into one of the two categories.

One is "what (it's that) we are doing here". This is a good kind of comment when our block code is a bit too complex to read.

The other is "why we do it". This explains the reason why your block of code is necessary in the first place. It will allow you to glance through your long code much more quickly.

^Hmm... maybe I shouldn't've edited it, but what's done is done.

Also, good names reduce comments.

Freddy

Okay so it all depends on what we are coding. Means if it is bit messy or sort of we can explain "why" I have done that, and if it is complex then "what" have I done

Damkerng T.

nods

Often enough, you can avoid writing comments entirely if you have good code design and naming convention.

For example,

if isTokenGoingToBreakOurGrammatron(lastToken):
    ...

:D

See, there are multiple levels of "readability", but I think you're on the right path!

Freddy

19:05

if is_Token_Going_To_Break_Our_Grammatron(lastToken):

i prefer it like this

Damkerng T.

Yes, if you like underscores better.

Any convention is fine, as long as it's consistent.

Freddy

Thanks for advice

Damkerng T.

My pleasure!

Freddy

You know I wanted to learn programing from about a year as my brother is programer, but i was not able to figure out from where to start.

Damkerng T.

@Freddy I think I learned programming like some of us who learned to swim by jumping (sometimes involuntarily :-) into the pool.

Freddy

19:10

Then I went to conference(my profile pic is of that conference) and found out from where ever I start it is basically same thing

Damkerng T.

Once you're in the pool, all you need is to stay afloat and stay in the pool as long as possible. And before you know it, you will be able to swim!

@Freddy Nice!

Freddy

@lepiment hola

Damkerng T.

Oh, I didn't know @lepiment is here. Hello!

Freddy

Damkerng T.

Cute!

Freddy

19:15

^^ I like this type of GIF by google(this one is for mother's day)

Damkerng T.

Me too!

Freddy

Today I did not found @MARamezani around!!

Damkerng T.

Hmm... Maybe there's an exam or something.

Freddy

I think exam is old method to evaluate students capability, It does not work now

Damkerng T.

Oh! What should we use now?

curious...

Freddy

19:23

I think we should ask student what he wants to do. say student say he want to draw stuff...

Then he should be given some time

and after that ask him to do the best he can

Damkerng T.

A-ha! Learner-centered teaching! I see.

Freddy

Yup

Damkerng T.

Agreed, though I feel like we need teachers who know how to do it right.

Freddy

because in current system we students are learning stuff only for exams

including me

@DamkerngT. Yes that is must

and I think we have that

Damkerng T.

nods -- I always feel a bit sad when someone says they've been learning English because they're going to take a proficiency exam somewhere soon.

@Freddy Yay!

Freddy

19:28

@DamkerngT. and it is not students fault, it is drawback of system

Damkerng T.

nods

Freddy

The NEW Periodic Table Song (In Order)

►

even if you don't know anything you will enjoy this

Damkerng T.

Cool!

Hey, what's the 71th element again?

Freddy

Lutetium

i guess

lepiment

Hello everybody. I finally have found how to post \o/

Damkerng T.

19:32

Oh, it's pronounced "lew-TEE-shee-uhm"!

@lepiment Hooray!

Freddy

yes

@lepiment great :)

Damkerng T.

It sounds like "lew-TEE-see-uhm" to me in the clip.

(And I thought it was pronounced "lew-TEE-tium"!)

Freddy

click.reference.com/click/…

Damkerng T.

Yes, I think "loo-TEE-shee-uhm" is correct.

lepiment

Sorry to interrupt. I didn't know it was pronounced like that ^^ Happy to see I can learn things on a chat

Damkerng T.

19:36

Hehe! Brought to you by our Freddy!

Freddy

@lepiment Do you like chemistry? :)

Damkerng T.

I'm off to eat something. BBL

Freddy

@DamkerngT. Bye

lepiment

@Freddy in a certain measure, yes :) but when it comes to enthalpy calculations, I lose interest

Freddy

see you later

lepiment

19:39

Bye

Freddy

I HATE it. @lepiment

lepiment

What classes are you in ? (is this english?)

*What studies do you follow

*What do you do in life?

Can't phrase it properly, sry

Freddy

I am in 12th class studying science(physics, maths and chemistry)

never mind

What about you? @lepiment

@Fantasier hola

Fantasier

Hola todos!

Freddy

@Fantasier from context I think "todos" mean everyone ,Am i right?

Fantasier

19:45

Yes. I thought you knew Spanish?

lepiment

I'm in my first year of superior studies (in France, I don't know how i can't describe it). It's right after baccalaureate. The people of my promotion are 19, if it can give you an idea. I don't know what twelfth year is in france. Does that mean you're 16? @freddy

Freddy

No, hola is only word I know

lepiment

Me I know conchita

Although it is for sure spelled otherwise

Fantasier

lol

Freddy

@lepiment Yes I am 16 years old.

Fantasier

19:47

@DamkerngT. This is so funny. Found in a linguistics "dissertation" on Thai noun phrases (at HARVARD). I think thùuk ("ถูก") is simply unacceptable that way. This sort of proves a point you made long ago about foreigners, even linguistics professors, knowing very little about Thai. In case you're interested: linguistics.berkeley.edu/~jenks/Research_files/Jenks_2011.pdf

lepiment

Aah, in the UK? @freddy

Freddy

Nope, India

@lepiment after baccalaureate means Masters?

lepiment

No, « Baccalauréat » is the high school end diploma in france. How do you call it in india ?

Freddy

Oh i thought Baccalauréat means Bachelors

We call it HIgh school

lepiment

Well I thought it could be translated into baccalaureate x) (for obvious reasons I think)

So, @Freddy, is english your native language?

Freddy

19:57

Not really. But I normally use english(as in studies)

my native language is "gujarati"

Fantasier

Interesting!

Freddy

@Fantasier you mean "Gujarati"?

lepiment

Yes indeed

Fantasier

@Freddy Yeap. Wikipedia says only 4.5% of Indian population speaks Gujarati.

I really have no idea about multilingualism in India. Do you have to study Hindi as your second/third language? @Freddy

Freddy

yes 2nd language till 10th class(if you choose science stream)

and don't forget population of India is 1.252 billion (2013)

lepiment

20:02

So is Hindi a lingua franca for indian people?

Fantasier

Oh right lol. I guess your country is coming for China's position on the population ranking.

Freddy

ahhh yes if you go to northern part and no if you go to southern pat @lepiment

Fantasier

Anyway, it's pretty late here. See you all again later. Adiós~

Freddy

@Fantasier I think in reality we are ahead from china.

@lepiment Surprisingly south Indian people don't know how to speak Hindi

lepiment

@freddy well wikipedia says China first, dated yersterday

although it is from a world population clock estimate

Freddy

20:07

That's on paper. It is not easy to count population.

lepiment

So how do you communicate with south indian people? Exclusively in english?

Freddy

In english

my maths teacher is south Indian

lepiment

aha I guess it might not be easy to follow math classes in englsih

Freddy

I study all subjects in English

lepiment

Ah ok

your country really has funny language learning policies

Freddy

20:11

yes. We have 3 different schools.

1. English medium

2. regional language(gujarati in my case)

3. Hindi medium(very rare)

we need to choose any one

lepiment

Ah ok

Freddy

So how many language can you speak? @lepiment

@StoneyB hola

lepiment

hej @stoneyB

I can speak french (native) and english (proficient), and I'm learning german, italian and swedish.

StoneyB

Good whatever-it-is-where-you-are, folks.

lepiment

It's late evening for me ^^

@stoney

Freddy

20:16

@StoneyB what does that exactly mean??

StoneyB

mid-afternoon, here

Freddy

1:46 am over here

lepiment

The magic of the internet

StoneyB

@Freddy We're all in different time zones, so I can't just say "Good afternoon", which is what it is here; so I substitute "whatever-it-is-where-you-are" for "afternoon"

lepiment

We are on 3 different continents and still here we are

@stoney you must be living in america

Freddy

20:18

@StoneyB Oh great, good evening

StoneyB

Practically dead center of the US.

lepiment

@stoney Kansas?

StoneyB

Almost -- Missouri. You would be in India? Mumbai, perhaps?

And lepiment in France? (Just a guess, from your handle.)

lepiment

Yep ^^

StoneyB

A hot fellow, then!

lepiment

20:26

How could you guess x)

StoneyB

@DamkerngT. Hail, DT, King of the Learning Cabin

Freddy

@StoneyB I am from Jamnagar,Gujarat

StoneyB

@lepiment Google makes it easy to appear to be polyglot!

Damkerng T.

@StoneyB Hello @Stoney! I'm no king though. I'm just a learner!

lepiment

@stoney Hehehe aren't you learning french?

@damker Hello!

Damkerng T.

20:29

Hello! I'm back!

StoneyB

@DamkerngT. Aren't we all?!

Damkerng T.

@StoneyB Perhaps!

Freddy

@DamkerngT. how many TB of English you have stored till now?

StoneyB

(Well, a few of us aren't. Naming no names.)

Damkerng T.

@Freddy Hehe! Let me check my memory bank... :-)

StoneyB

20:30

Oops! My oven alarm just went off--I have to go finish making dinner. 'Night, all!

Damkerng T.

Good night! @StoneyB

@Freddy It's hard to count... Let's say I think approximately it's equivalent to a couple thousand movies.

lepiment

@stoneyb Good night! I too have to go. I'm hungry. Good night everyone !

Damkerng T.

Good night!

Freddy

Everyone have gone to sleep too early. So I think I will also go(it's 2:10 am over here). BYE EVERYONE

Damkerng T.

Good night!

Damkerng T.

20:52

@Fantasier Thanks for the paper. -- It's unacceptable indeed (or at least very, very artificial, like something we might find in some literal translation works). So, graduate, quick!, so you can write papers that will right it. ;-)

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