ELL's Cabin

Freddy

12:07

hola

MARamezani

Hullo!

Damkerng T.

Halo!

MARamezani

There! Stopping @Frd from getting alones since 1955.

Anonymous

@MARamezani Tanx!

Damkerng T.

:D

MARamezani

12:09

Your wellcome.

Anonymous

Dang, I've lost 90 rep to the rep cap today so far!

Freddy

-90!!!!

Damkerng T.

@snailboat You can spend some on a bounty. ;-)

MARamezani

@snailboat Hmm...On Japanese.SE?

Or ELL?

Oh, it's ELL.

I wanna go and downvote some of @snailboat's thingies now.

Damkerng T.

<-- still can't figure out what Garrison Keillor and Robert Frost have in common...

Anyway, Garrison Keillor is awesome!

MARamezani

12:18

Yakh!

I just ate a bitter pistachio thingy.

Damkerng T.

Oh, no!

Bitter pistachio... hmm...

MARamezani

Thanks. I am so sorry as I made some mistake and typos. — nima 2 hours ago

I think I know what troubles Nima in studying English.

Damkerng T.

listening!

MARamezani

He's studying English as if he's studying history.

Damkerng T.

still wondering about bitter pistachios... Is that even possible?...

@MARamezani Oh, tell me more!

MARamezani

12:21

@DamkerngT. That's more possible than your age count.

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani LOL

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Imagine when someone says: Oh @Dam you got that typo there. What would be your response?

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Thanks! -- perhaps.

MARamezani

Nah, give me a sentence.

Freddy

What is bitter pistachios??

Damkerng T.

12:23

I think I just wrote a real one this morning.

@pazzo Nice catch! In case you spot an error like this of mine again (which is pretty likely, imo), please feel free to edit the post as you see fit. Thank you in advance, and thanks again for this catch! — Damkerng T. 21 hours ago

Real enough?

:D

MARamezani

To whom it may concern @Fred @Dam: google.com/… The pistachios are more real than your nightmare @Fred.

@DamkerngT. And then take a look at Nima's response. ROBOTIC.

As in a bad way.

Not @Dam way.

Damkerng T.

Ahh... I see your point!

MARamezani

You see, he studies: as can be used in the place of because. Then he applies what he read to a sentence, as if he's putting squares in their places. (Am referring to that children game)

There's no feeling.

No flexibility.

No nothing.

Damkerng T.

I think you're right.

MARamezani

This isn't the way to study a language.

Damkerng T.

12:29

I think it's about the amount of input.

MARamezani

Simply because, the speakers of that language, who are the people we solely want to be able to talk like, are humans, not robots.

No offence there @Dam.

Damkerng T.

Some taken.

MARamezani

You're not just a robot.

Damkerng T.

:P

MARamezani

So you don't get what chemicals refer to when they say robot.

Damkerng T.

12:30

Well, whaddayou want?

MARamezani

Whadju want?

Whaddoyou want?

Damkerng T.

:D

MARamezani

Whaddya want?

Hides from @snailboat

Damkerng T.

If we assume that, say, nima has zero contact with native speakers and materials, I think he's doing quite okay.

I don't know how much of the Internet he can access.

Anonymous

Dr. Sbaitso

►

Anonymous

12:38

@MARamezani Are you saying you don't want to talk like Dr Sbaitso?

Damkerng T.

A robo-doctor!

MARamezani

Who the heck is that?

I can't see youtube.

Anonymous

Darn

Damkerng T.

Boing!

Freddy

@MARamezani I know the way by which you can use youtube there! :-)

tunnelbear.com

Damkerng T.

12:46

There's discussion of verb licensing, with further links, here. You may also check out question on the licensing tag. — StoneyB May 22 '14 at 15:06

Where are all the questions?

Anonymous

Is this a trick question?

Anonymous

Are you on the unanswered tab?

Anonymous

Maybe the featured tab?

Damkerng T.

Oh, I think I was on the featured tab!

Thanks!

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. No, the questions were hiding from your mighty fingers.

Anonymous

12:50

It took me a second to figure it out :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I guess it could take me days. :-)

Damkerng T.

13:10

2

A: the Unified Modeling Language vs. Unified Modeling Language

It's odd, but if I were to say this with the full words, I would say, "One of the most popular tools is the Unified Modeling Language" (and include the article). However, if I were to use the acronym, I'd probably say, "One of the most popular tools is UML" (not "the UML"). A similar phenomenon...

Interesting!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Maybe sometimes we think of "Unified Modeling Language" as an expansion of UML

Anonymous

And sometimes we think of it syntactically as the language for unified modeling

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Articles are always interesting.

Anonymous

Especially articles about articles.

Damkerng T.

:D

MARamezani

13:15

Yeah...

Damkerng T.

@snailboat That's pretty much like my guess!

7 hours ago, by Damkerng T.

I think the writer might be thinking of it like the Spanish language (so the) and Spanish (so no the).

^That thinking is probably not really kosher.

MARamezani

ell.stackexchange.com/q/56305/#comment106594_56305

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Looks okay to me

MARamezani

Exactly what I thought. Way to go @Dam.

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Hehe!

MARamezani

13:20

@DamkerngT. Have you changed religion? You're using lots of Kosher lately. Or is there Kosher in Buddhism?

Anonymous

I think he got it from me.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I haven't finished Leech's yet. His "progressive" discussion is really interesting.

Anonymous

I'm a bad influence like that :-)

MARamezani

He's recently absorbing a lot of things.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. By the way, I should point out sometime that you use 's forms when I don't expect them

Damkerng T.

13:21

@MARamezani I take it as "okay" or "not wrong".

Anonymous

I know it means "Leech's book"

Anonymous

But it sounds a little strange in this case

MARamezani

0

Q: How is "goes" pronounced?

When i was younger, my teacher said the word 'goes' must be pronounced go with an -s sound. But a couple of days ago, my teacher fixed me about that and told me i must pronounce 'goes' the same way we say 'does'. So which one is correct? Thank you!

pronunciation

The first thing I thought: AmE or BrE?

Anonymous

Doesn't really matter

MARamezani

Why not?

Damkerng T.

13:22

@snailboat nods -- I guess it could make it sound like it's a place, or Leech wrote only one book.

@MARamezani goes doesn't rhyme with does in any dialects I know.

Anonymous

@MARamezani Because dictionaries answer the question completely in both cases

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Yeah...

Anonymous

And yeah

MARamezani

But the question in the title doesn't mention anything about does.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Well, it's more like

Anonymous

13:24

@MARamezani Dictionaries still answer it completely, so it's off-topic

MARamezani

Yes. Let's go VTC!

Anonymous

> I've read Pullum's book, but I haven't finished Leech's ~~book~~ yet.

Anonymous

@MARamezani I did before you linked to it

Anonymous

In this example, context licenses ellipsis

MARamezani

@snailboat I see a close(1) next to it...Yes.

Anonymous

13:25

So it's fine.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. But when you said Leech's earlier, there was no context to license it

Anonymous

So it didn't have an antecedent

Anonymous

But it has to have one, so the reader thinks "Leech's what?" :-)

MARamezani

I see. So ellipsis without bringing in the antecedent causes confusion and ambiguity. I should avoid it.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Even when I know that you know it's a book?

Anonymous

13:27

@DamkerngT. Yeah, even though I could figure it out from prior knowledge, it was weird.

Anonymous

It wasn't part of the discourse

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

So it didn't prevent understanding, but it was unnatural

Damkerng T.

I see. Thanks!

MARamezani

I'm all about unnatural.

Anonymous

13:28

@MARamezani Hey, was that sarcasm? :-)

MARamezani

Yes. < That's sarcasm too.

Anonymous

In any case, the dictionary will do a better job of answering than ELL

Damkerng T.

I guess it's irony. :-)

Anonymous

That's why I linked to it and voted to close

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. I love transition metals.

Anonymous

13:29

It has IPA transcriptions of both AmE and BrE pronunciations, and clickable links that let you listen to audio

Anonymous

ELL is not meant to reproduce a dictionary

Anonymous

It is, in fact, not as good because we can't easily embed audio, because we have people who make up ad hoc transcriptions, etc.

Damkerng T.

About that question, I think it's either that their teacher got it wrong or they had a miscommunication.

Anonymous

Also, the question is unclear

MARamezani

1

Q: 'meaning' vs 'semantics'

This question respects the noun 'semantics' and duplicates NOT this on the adjective 'semantic'. What are the similarities and differences : 'meaning' vs 'semantics'? ELU didn't simplify enough. semantics {plural noun} {usually treated as singular} [OED] 2. a. = The branch of li...

difference

Reopen?

Anonymous

13:30

(What does it mean for it to be pronounced like "does"? Are they talking about the vowel? But they just mentioned an 's' sound, which neither word has. Hmm...?)

Anonymous

@MARamezani They don't need to ask the difference between meaning and meaning in two separate questions,

Anonymous

One is unclear enough

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I also think the two "my teacher"s are two different teachers!

MARamezani

So it's a no-no.

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani I can see that they asked different questions...

MARamezani

13:32

And both are weird.

Damkerng T.

though I'm not sure if the questions fit ELL well.

Anonymous

I don't really think they're different enough to be asked separately

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

I think Law Area is under the impression that the adjective semantic and the noun semantics refer to wildly different things

Anonymous

But that is not actually the case

MARamezani

13:34

@snailboat @snailboat!

I have a question in better English than you can imagine!

You need to learn some things from this guy:

-22

Q: I don’t know what the purpose of stack overflow

First of all apologies to all. I don’t know what the purpose of stack overflow. I thought stack overflow is used discourage and teased the beginner level developers. I asked a question on your website, your higher level members closed the question. He does not understand what I am asking to your...

discussion support stackoverflow

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I think they also think the same for semantic semantic and semantic meaning meaning.

Anonymous

@MARamezani Ah, thank you very much for the link

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Oh, my head...

MARamezani

@snailboat Welcome.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat :D

Freddy

13:36

7 hours ago, by Freddy

-22

Q: I don’t know what the purpose of stack overflow

First of all apologies to all. I don’t know what the purpose of stack overflow. I thought stack overflow is used discourage and teased the beginner level developers. I asked a question on your website, your higher level members closed the question. He does not understand what I am asking to your...

discussion support stackoverflow

Damkerng T.

Hey, Freddy's got a new look!

Anonymous

Freddy's a trend setter

Anonymous

MARamezani used to be, back in the hullo days

Damkerng T.

@Freddy Is that the real you?

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. I think he was sad when I said...

Freddy

13:37

@DamkerngT. yup

MARamezani

1 hour ago, by MARamezani

To whom it may concern @Fred @Dam: https://www.google.com/search?q=Garrison+Keillor&rlz=1C1PRFE_enIR614IR614&oq=Gar‌rison+Keillor&aqs=chrome..69i57.292j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=bitt‌er+pistachios The pistachios are more real than your nightmare @Fred.

Damkerng T.

@Freddy Nice to meet you!

Anonymous

I like the new avatar better :-)

Freddy

@MARamezani Nope not at all

Anonymous

I don't like seeing horror movie stuff

Damkerng T.

13:37

@MARamezani LOL

Anonymous

0

A: Could all "auxiliary" be used at the beginning of the sentence

The auxiliaries in this example are at the beginning of these sentences because the subject pronouns that would usually go before them have been omitted. (I) Haven't had a windows box in a while. If you're asking whether it's correct to omit subject pronouns, no, it usually isn't. It can so...

Freddy

@snailboat Thanks

Anonymous

> Also, the correct contraction of "will not" is "won't".

Damkerng T.

@Freddy I can't do what you're doing in the photo!

Anonymous

I didn't even notice the OP wrote willn't

Freddy

13:39

Practice makes man perfect @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Oh, I think I'd recommend them to avoid it, but I know that they'd use it anyway. :-)

Freddy

woman too

Damkerng T.

@Freddy Hehe!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Hey, maybe non-native speakers will be the driving force behind the regularization of will.

Anonymous

Insomuch as an auxiliary can be regularized

Damkerng T.

13:41

How about shalln't, amn't? :-)

Anonymous

Yeah, be is by far the least regular verb in English

Anonymous

You know how go and wend form a single paradigm? go, went, but no *goed or *wend? That suppletion stuff I was talking about.

Anonymous

What you know as be is actually made up of three different verbs

Anonymous

That's why all the forms look so different

Anonymous

Of course, that's just etymology. It's just one verb now.

Anonymous

13:42

It has more forms than any verb.

Anonymous

And such ridiculousness as:

Anonymous

> Aren't I adorable?
> *I aren't adorable.

Damkerng T.

nods

@snailboat What's the third word, besides "bee" and "bean"? :P

Anonymous

We need to get the regularization team working on it!

Anonymous

Hehe, silly!

Damkerng T.

13:46

@snailboat If only we can trap 1.21 gigawatts, we can check out how English is like 100 years from now!

^maybe what'd sound better.

Anonymous

Yeah, what would sound better

Anonymous

> If only we could trap 1.21 gigawatts, we could check out what English will be like 100 years from now!

Anonymous

I had to sit and think about will be versus would be for a while :-)

Anonymous

I'm still not sure!

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Oh, I think the film makes me think it's more real than it could be. :-)

Anonymous

13:49

I'm not sure you can say "If only we can [...]", though I'm not sure you can't, either. Maybe you can.

Anonymous

But I expect:

Anonymous

> If we can only ...
> If only we could ...

Anonymous

Not sure why I expect those word orders.

Anonymous

> If we can just ...

Damkerng T.

I think I'm now prefer:

> If only we could trap 1.21 gigawatts, we could check out what English is like 100 years from now!

Anonymous

13:51

I still like what better :-)

Damkerng T.

Oh, I missed that one.

Anonymous

But yeah, I'll go with your is

Damkerng T.

I think if we had a time machine, we could think of all possible time like a map.

Hmm... but it'd be a map that I'd still like to say was like 100 years ago.

Hah! I see. It's the English two-tense map! :P

Anonymous

Complicated one, that.

Damkerng T.

Aww... I thought it would be natural for English speakers.

@snailboat "Generally, if you omit pronouns, people will have a hard time understanding what you're trying to say. It's best to include them, as pronouns really aren't optional." -- Hmm... Really?

Anyway, typing and speaking aren't exactly the same. We can speak much faster than we can type.

> Can use Documents, Video etc...just not in the top folder.

To add I will mean three extra keystrokes: shift, i, space

(But they had to press shift to type Can anyway, assuming that it wasn't a smartphone keyboard.)

> Overall, thinner the film, shorter was the width.
https://ell.stackexchange.com/q/56326/3281

Hmm...

What kind of film is that?

Why would the width become shorter?

Anonymous

14:05

@DamkerngT. I know that was rhetorical, but no, not really

Anonymous

Pronouns are not strictly necessary 100% of the time

Anonymous

They are quite often necessary

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

Conversational deletion has come up before

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. The first time my mom wrote email to me, she left out all her sentence-initial pronouns

Damkerng T.

14:07

@snailboat I guess we have a similar question somewhere on the main site.

Anonymous

It struck me as kind of strange

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Oh!

Anonymous

I believe it's some sort of letter-writing practice

Anonymous

I think that probably needs to be accounted for separately from conversational deletion

Anonymous

Though I'm not entirely sure, to be honest

Damkerng T.

14:08

nods

Anonymous

Anyway, it's something some people do.

Anonymous

My first impression of the text the OP quoted was that it was probably a non-native speaker

Anonymous

But then I changed my mind

Damkerng T.

I thought it could be a native speaker in a rush.

Anonymous

I think I thought that because "Cant put anything in user folder?" looks like a strange first sentence

Anonymous

14:10

But I think it was intended as a subject line for a forum post, or some such

Anonymous

And we just don't know that because the OP didn't tell us

Damkerng T.

It looks like an echo question to me.

Anonymous

Seems unlikely

Damkerng T.

Hmm... I guess it's a reply to someone saying "I can't put anything in my user folder. Help!"

Anonymous

If only because the sentence it echoes would have to be ungrammatical

Anonymous

14:13

It looks more like a subject line, since people leave out articles and such in those, like in headlinese

Anonymous

Yep, looks like I was right: eightforums.com/general-support/…

Anonymous

I should've just searched for it in the first place :-)

Damkerng T.

That's a weird title!

Anonymous

Well, it makes sense to me as a title, but not as a sentence

Damkerng T.

(I )can(')t put anything in (the )user folder(. What should I do)?

Anonymous

14:16

That's how I was able to figure out it was a title :-)

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

Or, if I may be permitted to stretch it a little: [I] can't put anything in [my] user folder? [What's up with that? Halp!]

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Oh, we can make it front-heavy ellipsis!

> (I can't believe I) can't put anything in (the) user folder?

Anonymous

Hah!

Anonymous

Of course, that form of ellipsis doesn't exist in English

Anonymous

14:19

But sure, why not? :-)

Damkerng T.

:P

Anonymous

I like adding words to stuff.

Anonymous

As you can see from my version.

Anonymous

[Halp!]

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Freddy

14:55

Language used in my book sucks!

"cancer of blood"

lol

one more "car for race"

user116848

Hi guys

Freddy

@Arrowfar hola

long time!

user116848

Aloha @Freddy!

user116848

Yeah I visit here sometimes.

Freddy

How is your day going?

user116848

15:04

Hello @snailboat!

user116848

@Freddy It is going okay. Just the routine stuff going on. How is yours?

Freddy

till now good :D

user116848

in The Overlook Hotel, 7 mins ago, by Arrowfar

@KitZ.Fox Bowl of Noodles

user116848

@Freddy Good! :-)

Freddy

noodles reminds me of maggie

user116848

15:09

Here we eat maggie too.

user116848

It is good. But it seems a bit plain to me. Do you like it?

Freddy

BTW I like Biryani more than maggie

user116848

Same here. Biryani rocks!

Freddy

I think we both are from India

user116848

I'm from Pakistan.

user116848

15:10

But dishes are pretty same :-)

Freddy

yup

Freddy

15:21

@Catija HOLA

Man_From_India

17:53

Someone got this msg from an official.But he is not sure whether he can obtain three certificates from any one of the four authorities? Or he have to get it from any three of these four authorities?

> you should bring three satisfactory character certificate either from:
1)head of the college
2)gazette officer/bank officer
3)present employer
4)person who is not related to the candidate

Form the sentence does it make clear? I think as far as the sentence goes, it can be either three certificates from one or three certificates from each one out of the four mentioned authorities.

Iplodman

20:12

Hallo!

Lamart

20:38

Hello!

@MARamezani Are you from Iran or Italy?

@Iplodman Hello

@snailboat Hello Veh!

I am alone :(

See you all later!

Iplodman

Bye!

Damkerng T.

20:54

@Man_From_India It's not very clear to me, but if I remember correctly, the common practice is you get three letters, each from any of the four. (So, it's possible that all letters are of type 4.)

Good evening, @Iplodman!

Iplodman

Evening!

How are you?

Damkerng T.

Not in my perfect shape, but good enough. :-)

How are you?

Iplodman

Good thanks!

Wrestling with LaTeX :)

Damkerng T.

Haha! That sounds like fun!

Iplodman

Well, kinda' c:

I'm about to make a nice title macro.

Damkerng T.

21:03

:D

Lamart

@DamkerngT. You there?

Damkerng T.

Yes?

Lamart

Hello!

Damkerng T.

Hello!

Lamart

New bug:

in Mos Eisley, 4 mins ago, by Lamart

in Mos Eisley, 3 mins ago, by Lamart

Unstar as interesting

@DamkerngT. Though it looks stupid.

Damkerng T.

21:14

:D -- I think it's been like that for so long.

Lamart

:)

But its incorrect english right? @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

I'd say it could use an edit. :-)

Lamart

So shall I go back to Meta.SE for this? Its gonna be scary

Damkerng T.

Um... it's up to you!

Lamart

@DamkerngT. Just posting it in their chat room. Safe

Damkerng T.

21:20

For one thing, it succeeds in communicating, which is probably the most important thing.

@Lamart :D

Lamart

21:39

@DamkerngT. Made a mistake by posting it there. :(

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 4 mins ago, by Lamart

@tchrist I am sorry to have it posted here. Actually, I was even scared to do so.

Damkerng T.

21:56

@Lamart It's debatable, though we could debate on something else too. ;-)

Iplodman

Pointless message ;p

Damkerng T.

@Iplodman Oh, no! What was it?

Iplodman

I was wondering about toeing the line in an entry I'm writing. I'm not sure if it's a bit iffy.

Damkerng T.

But it's your writing, isn't it? :-)

Iplodman

Thanks, if I read that right :)

I meant ethically :P

> (On politics:) I've been brainwashed to care about something I can't yet participate in, like war, or legalization of marijuana.

Damkerng T.

22:12

Hmm... I read your toeing the line as an idiom. Now I'm thinking maybe you used it literally. :-)

Iplodman

:)

I'm just not sure if it's appropriate.

Damkerng T.

@Iplodman That sounds fair.

Iplodman

Ah, good :)

Choko

22:53

Moin

Iplodman

Hullo @Choko!

Damkerng T.

23:23

> Which would you prefer? (Let's say it's a discussion on two sentences or two words.)
a) Their meaning is the same.
b) Their meanings are the same.

Iplodman

B :)

Damkerng T.

A-ha! Thanks!

Iplodman

No problem!

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