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4:43 AM
Q: Request contexts for "could" / "would be able to" in incomplete conditionals

Kinzle BRecently I encountered a book written by F. R. Palmer, Modality and the English Modals. I found this book very enligtening. To my surprise, his thorough treatment covers most of my questions on modal verbs in ELL. Palmer knew well what would confuse language learners, even native speakers and too...

Our modal guy is still waiting for his answer patiently, I think. :D
I'm on my way to bed, but the problem is that he is looking at it all wrong.
You can apply any modal you like to anything you like. It changes the nuance.
There aren't some fixed set of forms that everything has to fall into.
They're just mostly-safe combinations of if..then clause types; they're not tenses and they don't cover every possibility. Linguists don't have names for the Zero-thru-N types you mentioned, and not for any others that some textbook writer might dream up, either. Generally there is a hypothetical clause of some sort and a conclusion clause of some sort; but there are hundreds of possible combinations, and they rarely have to do with tense -- too much depends on the type of condition and its results, which can vary all over the lot. — John Lawler May 11 at 20:07
Night, now.
5:04 AM
@DamkerngT. Wow. I never realized there was a tag.
And we have 70 questions tagged with it!
A: Language Communities and Translation Communities

Robert CartainoDespite their outward appearance, our Language sites are still predominantly English-language sites. There's a strong component of "learning the language" and the entire interface and support material is in English. Full immersion is the best way to learn a language, so posts are simply conducted...

Perhaps somewhat relevant to that discussion.
5:20 AM
Ah, I didn't notice that tchrist went to bed already! Night, tchrist.
@jimsug But the language sites aren't entirely about language learning.
Also, it seems silly that the Japanese Stack Overflow has a localized interface but Japanese Stack Exchange can't.
I think no stack is language switchable.
An English UI is decent enough, though. I'd have a harder time trying to navigate around a website written in Chinese Mandarin than a Chinese trying to navigate around SO/SE. (Or it's just me who thinks so.)
Well, Chinese characters have a much steeper learning curve than English spelled in Latin letters.
5:36 AM
Speakers of Mandarin learn Pinyin before they learn to read characters, anyway, so they're at least familiar with the script, even if not the language or its spelling.
And of course, there's the push for some basic English education in China.
Of course, this is only relevant to those fortunate enough to have an education and be capable of receiving it.
BTW, do you know about another chat room: Title clean-up (Phase 3: FAQ ready)?
6:13 AM
I joined!
I don't know how much help I'll be, but I'll try.
6:26 AM
Oh look, two questions bad titles
They keep coming! :D
@DamkerngT. Do you suppose living is a verb in living room?
Derived from the verb, I think.
How does this fit in with your rule of thumb?
It doesn't, because it's a different word.
6:33 AM
I was thinking you could invert the rule. The adjective and adverb live are pronounced one way, and everything else is pronounced the other.
That sounds better. Let me think for a bit...
I haven't thought of it that way before, but I think your rule of thumb is better!
It's just an idea :-)
I think I remember it that way because life and live are so closely related in my mind.
6:37 AM
@snailboat Wait... how many of "everything else" do we have? Only the verb, perhaps?
Let's see:
> with /lɪv/: live (the verb), living (both the verb and the adjective), livable, liver
> with /laɪv/ (or /laɪf/): life, live (the adj. and the adv.), alive
Is there anything else?
Aww... the comments in the other question are gone. I think we could leave them there for a while.
The verb, but also deverbal forms like living (in those cases where it is no longer a verb)
I figured inverting the rule would let you cover living without getting your hands dirty talking about "deverbal" forms or such.
6:54 AM
I think it's a little easier (for learners) to either call the deverbal forms adjectives, or enumerate the whole list.
If we started to mention "deverbal", we'd have to explain what it is, I think.
Ah, I missed lived the participle!
I think I can add the whole list to my answer without having to modify the rule, but more like a clarification.
Ah, I think I know how I should write it!
Write it as a general answer to all verbs of the form -ive, then close all such future questions as duplicates?
I've never generalized it that far. Some more examples would help.
Hmm... but dive the verb is with /aɪ/.
I would just stick to words that pattern the same way. (I can't think of any!)
7:06 AM
Rhyming dictionary?
Well, that's annoying :P
@DamkerngT. Yes, I wanted to avoid explaining stuff like that. That's why I hoped the rule could cover other stuff if you inverted it without additional explanation.
But I think your rule is good as-is. It doesn't cover living or lived, but that's okay.
(Well, I consider lived and verbal living to be the same word as live.)
I updated my answer. Any feedback is welcome!
A: How should I pronounce "live music"?

Damkerng T.Here is my rule of thumb: live is only pronounced /lɪv/ (or your "liv") when it's a verb. In all other cases it's /laɪv/ (or your "laiv"). You can remember this sentence, which rhymes: Live music makes me feel alive! PS. A careful reader may prefer to use another, but similar, rule of thumb:...

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8:36 AM
@Damien You would, yes. — Grace Note ♦ 5 hours ago
hearing the tune from 'Psycho' from afar...
8:59 AM
Q: Will examples of an idiom in actual use help me understand it?

Yury SidorenkoNot being a native English speaker, sometimes, while reading a book, I find it hard to grasp the meaning of certain phrases: "to push to the limit", "as bad as it gets", "all hell breaks loose" - to name a few. The problem is that such phrases aren't translated the way they should by any translat...

Hmm... should I spell it facebook or Facebook?
How're you doing?
@DamkerngT. FaCeBoOk.
I'm doing okay!
Okay, from the main page of Facebook.
> Create an account or log into Facebook.
Problem solved.
9:28 AM
A: Should it be added "that" or shouldn't?

Damkerng T.This that in your sentences is an adverb, and it's mainly spoken. Usually, you can understand it as so or very. So the meanings of your sentences with and without that are not quite the same. It's not easy. -- This simply means that it's not easy. It's not that easy. -- This means that it...

This exchange is going to be interesting. :D
9:44 AM
sure...then I'm coming...though not tomorrow. I'm stuck up with some domestic work. Actually we are 'moving'
@MaulikV K.
It's a tough job, you see... moving from one place to another
Oh boy. :)
Anyways, @Maulik would you mind featuring the title FAQ?
Do you hire any mover?
9:45 AM
That's what I told you the other day
@DamkerngT. nope...
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I wonder if there is any room left.
I'm too new to do that...
@DamkerngT. There is.
Did you ask J.R.?
or Wendi?
@MaulikV Just do it. We're not doing anything illegal.
9:46 AM
Fine, I thought the same thing
it's in the interest of the community here
The fact that a 2k asker on ELL still doesn't know how to write a title bothers me.
I understand
I wonder how many posts can be featured on that bar (or panel or whatever).
And my main concern is to bring this up in SERPs as well
I'm in it for past several years
@MaulikV IIRC the questions tagged show up more in Google.
9:48 AM
Where's the link?
give me here
@MaulikV Link to?
to-be-featured post
Q: How can I write a better title for my ELL question?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.MI have an ELL question; but the Stack Exchange format obliges me to write a title not shorter than 15 characters and not longer than 150 characters. So, how do I write a good title? Link to the main answer and Link to the TL;DR version for your ease of use.

wait, let me go through the guidelines of 'featuring' something
I'll do that for sure...if it permits
@MaulikV Mods feature stuff they want the community to see so badly.
We have so many hot meta posts, so "how meta post" doesn't work for a question like that.
9:54 AM
But I think that box restricts it for two
@MaulikV (づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ
@MaulikV No.
It's caching.
Let's see
I always try Ctrl + F5
so generally, it comes cleared! :P
@MaulikV For example, M&TV has three featured meta posts currently: Movies & TV
It'll come
the mods are telling there
@MaulikV ?
10:04 AM
Q: What does this sentence mean? "Lisp has attracted some of the brightest minds in the history of computer science."

Smart Humanismfolks. I would like to get your help. Please accept me as your obedient student. I wonder what the sentence mean. Below is the sentence which is from a computer programming book about programming language LISP. "Lisp has attracted some of the brightest minds in the history of computer science."...

Hmm... Is it LISP or Lisp?
it'll show up soon
Lisp (historically, LISP) is a family of computer programming languages with a long history and a distinctive, fully parenthesized Polish prefix notation. Originally specified in 1958, Lisp is the second-oldest high-level programming language in widespread use today; only Fortran is older (by one year). Like Fortran, Lisp has changed a great deal since its early days, and a number of dialects have existed over its history. Today, the most widely known general-purpose Lisp dialects are Common Lisp and Scheme. Lisp was originally created as a practical mathematical notation for computer programs...
I mean the box'll have that post soon
Heh! It's both.
10:17 AM
Q: explain the quote

cynthiaCan you please explain this quote to me "I still find each day too short for all the thoughts i want to think, all the walks I want to take, all the books I want to read, and all the friends I want to see."

Maybe the OP needs more specific guidance.
But I'm going to be off the site for a while...
11:11 AM
A: "Guess what" and "You know what"

Christopher Holmes"You know wnat?" and "Guess what" are patronising American phrases which are coming into frequent use here in the UK. They are mainly used by loud mouths who think they know it all, and are deigning to tell you what you may be too dim to understand. They state their opinions as irrefutable facts,...

What do you think about this question?
@DamkerngT. hi
good evening friends..
Please make my sentence correct.
I have prepared the document for Loreshare site estimations and I have attached in this email.Please PFA.
That's gonna have to wait. (I'll be right back in a few minutes.)
@snailboat or @jimsug please any one help me
@Catija hi
11:21 AM
Two points.
Estimation is usually not in the plural. Consider: estimates.
(or estimate)
(Also Loreshare site estimations/estimates/estimate is not very good.)
The other one is I have attached in this email is ungrammatical.
@DamkerngT. what is the correct sentence then?
At the minimum (though I wonder how idiomatic it is) it should be I have attached it to this email.
@ASR First I need to know what it is.
Is Loreshare a website?
So, this is the estimated cost for building this website?
Or time? Or both?
@DamkerngT. its time only no cost.
11:25 AM
Ahh... how about "estimated schedule" or "estimated time frame" or "estimated plan"?
@DamkerngT. estimated hours I considered,
So, it's the estimated number of hours?
@DamkerngT. yes
"estimated number of hours" and "estimated schedule" are close, but different.
ok fine, can you tell me complete sentence
11:28 AM
> I have prepared and have attached to this email the document for the estimated number of hours for the Loreshare (web)site. PFA.
Alternatively (without using PFA):
> Please find attached the document for the estimated number of hours for the Loreshare (web)site I have prepared.
Q: 'Say' and 'Tell' difference!

sam-worthingonI really get confused when to use 'say' and when to use 'tell'. Which is appropriate of the fallowing What did he tell?/What did he say? What are you saying? / What are you telling?

Must be a duplicate! (But of what question?)
@DamkerngT. thank you very much.
12:10 PM
Q: Difference between anyone and anybody?

Agnes Gru StevenAs per google meaning I understood like, Anyone - any person or any people Anybody - anyone It seems both are relevant. I am trying to understand the proper place for using these words. Please help me. Thanks in Advance.

Hmm... another question that can be easily answered by English Grammar Today today.
Hmm... it's gone...
It's very subjective, and it's possibly offensive, but! I think the information is useful.
And this is a new user.
I thought some exchanges in comments would've been better.
12:54 PM
@ASR Afternoon!
@DamkerngT. IMO you say "guess what?" when you want to surprise someone.
That's a normal case for me, too.
But I can imagine someone using it the way that answer says.
But you say "you know what?" when you want to surprise someone and you know they'll be surprised, shocked, sad etc.
Akh, I can't explain it.
Ah! This Friday night, it's TMNT!
Tacco Master's Next Toothpaste?
I watched it in and out last time.
1:03 PM
@DamkerngT. I wonder what made them write that.
Sometimes new users think SE is their diary.
Something must've triggered them, imo.
(This happens occasionally in chem, where someone comes and writes about buying grocery or what they did at school today)
Not necessarily because of the site.
Ah, the part I missed the last time is coming up. Off to the movie. BBL. o/
@DamkerngT. \o Actually, I haven't watched it in full yet either.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M good afternoon :)
1:06 PM
@ASR Hey! How're you?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I am fine ! thank you and how are you?
In my place every day big rains from last 4 days.
@ASR Fine here too.
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3:32 PM
Good Evening!
Good evening!
Good to see you @Arrowfar !!!
Yeah? Haha! Thanks @JudeNiroshan.
3:33 PM
How goes it?
I saw that you left some messages few weeks back saying you won't be coming back here again... that was quite upset for me
BTW; pleasure to see you again here @Arrowfar
One of my best friend is going for an interview tomorrow. He goes for a bank (Union Bank)
He was asking for some advice from me in order to get his very first job.
I told some points which i learned from some people and with my own experience. By I wanted him to say how to conclude the interview. I mean the way to do it. (with a handshake for everyone in the interview board)
I told him; say this before you leave the room to the interviewers.
It was my pleasure to come for an interview like a bank like this. It would be great If i got recruited
I need a more formal way to say the above sentence. As this is very important for an employee to score marks at a interview and get a good impression from the interviewers. I need some help! @DamkerngT. @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M @Arrowfar
3:51 PM
@JudeNiroshan I'd better pass on this one. Judging from the clues in your messages, I think it's very different in India.
Ok.. I know this is not really necessary. But as my friend is has no experience in working; he might be considered as a amateur. So, i thought it would be better to say some words like this and this will increase the chance of getting him to be recruited. At least as an intern.
In all my interviews, the approach I used was "Be myself". In other words, I didn't try to be anyone else, or say anything I wouldn't regularly say, though I might be a little more careful than usual.
yes. true enough. But all i wanted was to help my friend. I know It's like i'm trying to do every single thing for him. But what do you think; saying something like that wouldn't help him to get a good impression ?
Maybe or maybe not.
It's hard to give a tip without knowing how well your friend can speak English.
This is very important.
It's not about words. It's how you deliver them.
Basically, the tone, the stress, the rhythm, and all.
4:06 PM
yes. Normally his fluency is not that much of good. But he can manage.
So, let's say that your friend is not very fluent in English, saying something this long (It was my pleasure to come for an interview like a bank like this. It would be great If i got recruited, as you suggested) could trip him up at some point.
Did you a word out there some place?
@JudeNiroshan You friend could also try this:
> Thank the interviewer, his or her assistants and administrative support staff for their time and hospitality:
@tchrist I'm sorry. I can't understand this sentence. Can you please teach me what this question means?
4:08 PM
> Example: "Thanks very much for taking the time to meet with me today. I really appreciate the opportunity" or, "Thanks so much for scheduling my interview with Ms. Jones. It was great to meet all of you."
@JudeNiroshan It’s an autoexample of the problem it raises.
@Arrowfar yes. Good enough
> Did you LEAVE a word out there some place?
@tchrist Ohh dear. forgive me. ( I'm not a native speaker ) i still can't understand what it means
@JudeNiroshan It looked to me like Dam had accidentally dropped a word, so I humorously inquired whether he had done so.
4:14 PM
Heh! I didn't think that was for me. -- (re-reading what I wrote...)
@tchrist okkk.. Sorry. I thought you were asking something related to my situation which i was talking. nevermind
I couldn't find it. (I don't know where to look.)
> It was my pleasure to come for an interview LIKE at/to/... a bank like this.
Oh, that's not mine.
4:15 PM
I had no intention to correct that.
I see.
I will be out for some time. Cya later. have a good time
See ya!
@tchrist something i really got struck which preposition goes there!!!
4:18 PM
@JudeNiroshan I agree that it is not especially obvious, and I am not sure why that is.
Maybe it is because the prepositional phrase is too far removed from the verb it is intended to apply to.
One comes to a bank.
Or has an interview at a bank.
It was my pleasure to come to a bank like this for an interview.
It was my pleasure to have an interview at a bank like this.
First one goes better in this scenario, isn't it?
I think so, yes.
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6:04 PM
Кто говорит по русски и кто тут вообще есть?)
Who speak russian and who is here, at all?)
I'm here
But i do not speak that beautiful language
@JudeNiroshan beautiful?? I think that, people who speak English, hate Russian! :)
@JudeNiroshan Where are you from and how old are you?
6:54 PM
@bukashka101 I don't think that's true, generally speaking. Anyway, I speak English, and I like Russian :-)
We've had a couple Russian speakers in ELL chat, but I'm not sure if there are any here right now.
@snailboat \o
Oh, it didn't one box the image.
Anyway, I put an Area 51 ad for the Korean Language proposal on there.
7:00 PM
I was thinking of posting it to ELL because we have Korean speakers here who are interested in discussing language, but I wasn't sure if it'd be appropriate. Any thoughts?
The community promotion ads are open on meta on both Japanese.SE and ELL right now.
7:24 PM
@snailboat It's appropriate I reckon.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Okay, thanks, I posted it :-)
We'll see if it gets upvotes or downvotes!
@snailboat It's gonna get an upvote just about now.
7:35 PM
Q: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

Grace NoteThe dawn of a new year, 2015, now approaches, or has already approached, either way it means that it is now time to reset our Community Promotion Ads! What are Community Promotion Ads? Community Promotion Ads are community-vetted advertisements that will show up on the main site, in the right s...

This is the ELU meta post.
Well, let me link to each year's: 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012
We can grab ideas for ELL community promotion ads from these.
@snailboat But . . . but wouldn't it be better if we do this when we have a custom design?
Ah, I saw your comment!
7:37 PM
I'm fine with decoupling it from the design, personally.
If the ads are helpful in some way, then there's a net positive from doing them earlier :-)
And if they aren't helpful, then we probably shouldn't be doing them in the first place!
But won't they become some kinda obsolete when we get a custom design?
What do you mean?
Gosh how much I hate this standard SE design . . . At least the dominant color's not read or yellow or something.
7:39 PM
Oh, you mean because they won't be designed to match the color scheme.
I think that's okay.
@snailboat Take a look at Grace's answer. Will ELL's logo be like that when we get a custom design?
You get what I mean.
Looking at the history of ads on ELU, most of them aren't designed to fit in with the ELU design. A few are.
Looking at the 2013 ads, for example,
Three of the ads are matched to the design, it looks like.
7:42 PM
Some of them, like the Area 51 ones, will be the same either way. They're automatically generated by the system.
We could make an ad for our ELL resources page. Though if we did that, I think it'd be best if we spent a good bit of time fixing up the resources page.
We should be fixing and mending and cutting and pasting and gluing a lot of stuff on ELL.
I started with question titles.
I can't figure out what clicking "frequent" does on the questions list.
I thought it might give us a list of questions sorted by views, but that doesn't seem to be it.
7:46 PM
I guess "frequent" means something like "most linked to" or "most closed as duplicate of"?
@snailboat Most linked to, I think.
@snailboat May SEDE help us.
We could make sure that the questions at the top of that list all have good titles. I suspect most of them do already.
We could also go through the list of questions with lots of views. I arbitrarily chose 10000: ell.stackexchange.com/search?q=views%3A10000
@snailboat I explained what approach I have in mind in the TCE room.
But it turns out, it's slow.
I'm looking for suggestions.
Oh, we only have 3 Copy Editor badges on the site.
7:52 PM
@snailboat Yep, we don't have many editors either.
I was thinking of suggesting recruiting any active users with the Copy Editor badge, but I guess you've already done that.
(I mean, I'm not really active at the moment, but I'm still here!)
That's what I discovered some time ago: Chem doesn't have many edits, but it's to times smaller than ELL and it has 6 copy editors.
@snailboat Any help is really appreciated.
in Title clean-up (Phase 3: FAQ ready), 10 hours ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
So, @Dam if 10 people help, and it be 30 qpp, we'll get 300 questions done everyday. And assuming we have 18900 questions till that time, it'll be 63 days. Oh crud.
I'm not sure I'm up for retitling two thousand questions.
But it's not all-or-nothing. Every little bit is helpful :-)
7:55 PM
Of course, that would be 63 days where the most recent questions are pushed from the top of the front page by edits.
So it does have a cost.
3W3hat -is -happe+ning -to -my -ke+yboard?
Did you spill liquid in it?
Unplug it and turn it upside down for twenty four hours.
Unless it's a laptop keyboard, in which case, yikes!
7:58 PM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Can you link to the explanation specifically?
By the way, that imperative was an example of the Fifty-Eighth Conditional.
It was contingent on the answer to my question being "yes".

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