The Base Camp

Ricketyship

04:59

@RoryAlsop, @Kevin and @CharlieBrumbaugh is there a way to know how much traffic for the site comes directly from google and how many from the SE site listing? (I don't have enough privilege to see the site analytics yet). I'm wondering how many actually go to the parent SE and search for keywords there to end up at our site as compared to google search.

Ricketyship

06:30

Rory Alsop

07:21

@Ricketyship I'm not sure if there is a way other than the analytics.

I'll check

Ricketyship

08:13

Analytics is fine too. If you can share that info, in the form of a screenshot or whatever so that we get to know what traffic comes from where. This is more related to the ongoing meta about people searching for our site on SE.

Rory Alsop

11:35

@Ricketyship I'm looking to see which data is available. We aren't permitted to share the mod analytics, I'm afraid

Ricketyship

No worries :)

Rory Alsop

@Ricketyship oh, and thanks for your comments in that other chat room. Very measured - and reassuring to me that I wasn't overreacting

Ricketyship

Well if anything the OP was overreacting.

I can understand a logical argument. I can't understand people who go personal and try to accuse people of things they haven't done.

Aravona

13:15

Afternoon all, hope everyone is well

imsodin

@Aravona Hi - long time no see!

How are you?

Rory Alsop

13:32

@Aravona Hiya!

Ricketyship

@Aravona Hello!

@JonathanLandrum It is what it is man.

Jonathan Landrum

yep. que sera.

Rory Alsop

14:03

Hey @JonathanLandrum - while you may be annoyed at someone, please don't do that. Let's just keep it all pleasant.

Ricketyship

Agreed. I would keep it civil irrespective of what I get from others. A choice :)

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Charlie Brumbaugh

14:41

@Ricketyship Currently the site stats are on goofed, but usually the vast majority of our traffic comes from Google and then there is a bunch from people directly accessing the site and then there is the refferal traffic from other SE sites

I would imagine that the number of people finding us via the tag line is incrediblely small

However, I think the point of the meta post was about making the word gender neutral, not really about making us easier to search

data.stackexchange.com/outdoors/query/850880

Aravona

15:28

@RoryAlsop @Ricketyship @imsodin hey! How are you all? I'm doing well thank you! :)

Ricketyship

15:54

@Aravona I'm doing good :) it's been crazy with thunderstorms here. But overall a good escape from heat.

Ricketyship

16:26

@CharlieBrumbaugh what's your take on answers that are more like stories? I kinda get bored half way through not understanding what the author actually was trying to accomplish.

Charlie Brumbaugh

@Ricketyship For example?

Ricketyship

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Q: How to fish from a kayak?

As a present I was recently given a Pelican Odyssey 100X. Before getting that I had fished using a neighbor's regular kayak. Is fishing from the shore the same as fishing off of a kayak, and is kayak trolling a good way to fish?(Which lures are recommended for trolling?) I would be fishing fo...

i didn't downvote the answer, but i didn't really understand what the answer was. Because, I never finished reading the answer.

I'm more inclined towards point based answers. Guess I'm inclined towards logic and to the point answers than a good read.

Charlie Brumbaugh

@Ricketyship Its too long for a VLQ flag and somebody already called me a keyboard warrior today so I don't feel like getting in any more arguments today.

Ricketyship

haha

I personally wanted to add bullet points saying what one needs to do.

ab2

18:07

@Ricketyship I see what you mean. "The Young Man and the Kyak" (with apologies to Hemingway). Anecdotal answers are another kettle of fish -- anecdotal answer can be (or may not be) more informative and authoritative than copypasta from someone who knows nothing about the subject except what he/she copy-pastes.

Charlie Brumbaugh

Do we have a bunch of people going for the electorate badge?

Ricketyship

Anecdotal is fine by me. But my way of answering is to the point, and terse. I wouldn't want the OP to read a lot of things before figuring out what actually I wanted to say.

That's why I try to put in bullet points. Makes it way more easier to read them than all the text around.

Charlie Brumbaugh

I'd say that the ancedotal answers where a person assumes that all other situations will be like theirs are not a good thing

Remmber when someone was arguing that the OP didn't need to worry about being bitten by dogs because their dog was nice?

Ricketyship

Well that's just a really low quality answer. I'm more focussing on answers where anecdotes are filled with unwanted description of the situation and the actual meat of the answer is hidden behind all these layers of words and expressions.

It makes for a good blogpost, but would I really read so much of text to know that I need to do 2-3 things for the situation I am asking a question for?

Of course, this is my personal choice. I'm sure there are people who would enjoy more of a detailed description than a to-the-point answer.

Charlie Brumbaugh

18:24

That's what makes it fun

Ricketyship

:D anyhow, have a good day charlie! Also, the analytics question was because Sue also mentioned on the meta post that she went to SE to search for outdoor site. Which surprised me. In this age of google, do people really use SE as a reference to search? Or maybe google wasn't the thing say 5-6 years ago?

Charlie Brumbaugh

I use the internal search when I want to go by tags or titles of things, but most of the time I use Google

Ricketyship

Anyway, my view is that irrespective of what the initial goal of the meta was (gender neutrality?), we can still let go of that and see if excursion and the other word (the one that shouldn't be named) needs to be replaced with anything else (I do not believe it'll add any effect to the traffic or the searches, but well).

Charlie Brumbaugh

Gender neutrality is one really deep rabbit hole that I really don't want to go down.

Ricketyship

Neither do I. There's a lot of din created (I participated too) on that topic for unwanted reasons. So I'm ignoring the sections where the meta dwells on gender specific discussions.

Anyway, I'm off now :) have a good day!

and a good night @imsodin :)

imsodin

18:42

@Ricketyship Night

That question was so not primarily about gender neutrality until some answers and commenters totally jumped on that point. Literally the only pointer to that was the cursive man in outdoorsmanship. The rest was about actually mentioning what's important on this site instead of excursions and "outdoorsmanship". Which is bad anyway for describing "The Great Outdoors" due to being a circular statement.
I really was deterred when reading the shitstorm that happened there because of nothing, literally nothing. And I don't mean by Kate, but all those comments focusing on gender neutrality. Maybe …

And equipment-mods was just introduced. Apart from the equipment vs gear thing, does anyone get what it should be for?

Charlie Brumbaugh

@imsodin >So it doesn't matter to you that women might feel excluded by choosing a word like that?

@imsodin For the tags see here outdoors.stackexchange.com/questions/19347/…

imsodin

Honestly, I think there is way worse discriminatory problems than that, but then again, just because there is worse stuff never was a reason not to fight the smaller battles. But the most important thing to me, is that I know and accept that opinions differ. I can understand why outdoorsmanship can feel exclusive to women, I also get why people love their language and fight against a (perceived?) mutilation of it.
I'd like to think that one can discuss it civilly and leave it be if one doesn't come to an agreement.

@CharlieBrumbaugh isn't that just diy?

Charlie Brumbaugh

@imsodin I don't know, diy seems to be more making your own gear

@imsodin It was a way smaller fight than what happened on SO

imsodin

@CharlieBrumbaugh I generally consider something diy when done yourself. and tools and abilities are also pretty much the same. I'd consider it a good fit.

Charlie Brumbaugh

@imsodin Looking at outdoors.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/diy you are probably right

Charlie Brumbaugh

22:45

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Q: Can we edit titles to be more unique and useful to people searching for them?

There are some rather poor titles that while they make sense to the person asking, are rather useless at helping anyone else know what the question is about from the title alone or for people coming to the site from Google. For examples, What this instrument is used for? What is this tent piec...

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ab2

23:49

@Ricketyship, @Charlie Brumbaugh By anectodal, I mean an answer similar to mine on the snapping turtle question. That answer was based on one personal experience. Complementing my answer was the answer of @Sue, which was based on extensive research. Both have a place -- research and personal experience.

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