The Base Camp

WedaPashi

07:16

Morning :)

Aravona

Morning all.

Quick question, I was reading an OS article about trail running and they suggested there was a difference between Trail and Fell running - even though most people think they are synonymous. Is there a difference? If so, is it just terrain?

Liam

08:25

@Aravona I would guess fell running is typically up mountains. Trail running just being off road

@Aravona But I'm not positive

Sound like a good Q?

Aravona

08:36

@Liam yeah I might write it up :)

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Q: Is there a difference between Trail and Fell running?

I recently read an article by Ordinance Survey about trail runners for beginners (my interest has sparked due to my recent uptake of running which I do cross country through parks and fields), in which is stated that Trail and Fell running are often used synonymously, but that they are in fact di...

Is that worded alright?

Liam

@Aravona Just "quoted" the quote but looks good to me!

@Aravona Would be good to link to the article if you have it?

WedaPashi

Good question @Ara :)

Hadn't heard of the term ever.

Aravona

@Liam yeah will do. I have it somewhere but it'll be to the mobile version.

@Liam updated with their actual quote.

I had heard of Fell running, and read about Fell runners who run up and down Snowdon like complete over energetic plonkers..

But I hadn't heard of Trail running before that.

M'vy

08:56

that thing sounds so weird to me, I keep hearing "I fell, running"

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Aravona

@M'vy haha :P

WedaPashi

@M'vy: haha :D

M'vy

:)

Aravona

09:11

Anyone doing anything nice today?

WedaPashi

I am! Watching TaleSpin :)

Aravona

@WedaPashi TaleSpin?

WedaPashi

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TaleSpin @Ara

Aravona

@WedaPashi oh lord I haven't see that in a long time...

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M'vy

@Aravona working?

Liam

09:24

@WedaPashi This is still on TV?! Jesus, I haven't seen this since I was about 13!

Aravona

@M'vy working for me too. And hoping the rain will ease up for my run later :P three times a week now...

Liam

I'd actually forgotten it existed!

WedaPashi

No, Its not on TV. I am watching on the Laptop. I have that series with me. Nearly 20 GB of it.

M'vy

@Aravona yeah, running's not really my thing.

Aravona

@WedaPashi lol! Awesome. We've been watching old tv shows on Prime.

M'vy

09:27

Tried that for a time, but. meh

Aravona

@M'vy it wasn't mine either until we had a fatal heart attack in the family then another heart failure on the side of the family... So I'm determined to look after myself and good cardio means a healthy heart :)! Plus the stamina I've gained means I can walk so much further, up steeper slopes, with more ease :)

I plan to do the 3 day 3 peak challenge in a few years, before I'm 30 for sure.

M'vy

@Aravona I could go for mountain walks I guess

Aravona

@M'vy mountain walks are awesome. I live near the Chiltern Hills which is the cloaest I can get without a 4 hour drive to go bug @Liam ;)

WedaPashi

@liam @Ara: I always feel, the older cartoons were far better than what kids watch today.

Aravona

Running has helped swimming has helped running though... Virtuous circle :D

M'vy

09:31

@Aravona I'm kinda surrounded by mountain, and I still never went for hiking here... I hate myself :)

Aravona

@WedaPashi I agree, mostly. I watch anime, which is in a different league. But been watching the newer batman cartoons and they're good... Currently on batman Brave and the Bold :)

My all time favourite cartoon isn't even a cartoon lol... It's a stop motion of plastercine. Trap Door!

@M'vy it's never too late to go enjoy it :)

WedaPashi

I am still with those old cartoons. TaleSpin, Road-Runner, Duck Tales, etc

Who misses Cayote and the Road Runner?

@m'vy: Its never too late to start, Sooner you'll realize going to mountains is going home.

M'vy

Yeah probably

WedaPashi

Okay, I am still frozen and at the Base Camp of some mountain. I was writing a code for a touch switch in my house, based on an AVR Controller and I just wrote #define "file1.h" instead of #include

Liam

@M'vy walking for an hour burns about 90% of the calories that running for an hour. If you walk up hill it's about 95%+

Aravona

09:36

@WedaPashi is that bad?

Liam

Walking is one of the best exercises you can do

WedaPashi

Now don't say Kissing also burns calories :D

@Ara: Nope not, unless I don't do that in company. :D

Aravona

@Liam true but it can stagnate, walking is low intensity and a lot of fat people walk a lot, but it doesn't do enough. You still have to reaply push yourself walking.

WedaPashi

Brisk walk helps.

Aravona

@WedaPashi yeah you see a lot of power walkers.

My dad probably tops his 10k steps a day everyday when he's off walking around a site, a hospital or offices. He's 2-3 stone overweight, eating healthyish. Can't shift it.

WedaPashi

09:39

@M'vy: Just one suggestion. As of now forget about 'this is good, that is better' thing. As you are just starting, Do what you love, have a good time out there. I would prefer a walk out of town than a good run on a jogger/treadmill.

M'vy

@Liam Well, I'm not that concerned about calories to be honest.

Aravona

@WedaPashi isn't 'do what you love' more important anyway?! I'm only running to help prevent heart failure in my future, it's my motivation. Doesn't mean it's anyone elses.

WedaPashi

@Ara @liam @Wills Did I tell you yesterday that my team didn't make it to Mt. Satopanth?

Aravona

@WedaPashi no, sorry to hear so.

WedaPashi

@Ara: Thats great. Running can really make one's cardio better.

They didn't make it. Weather turned bad when they were slightly above 6900m. Waiting was not an option. So, bad luck.

Aravona

09:43

@WedaPashi well at least they had the opportunity to go and did their best, you can't tame the weather :)

WedaPashi

True.

A sneeze by the Mountain and you go down.

Aravona

Well my second dive into c#.net has gone well.

WedaPashi

Great @Ara :)

Aravona

13:41

I'm actually a bit confused by Nivags answer to my Fell/Trail question. It seems yes and no?

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A: Is there a difference between Trail and Fell running?

I think the main difference is probably in American vs British English. Fell is a particularly British term referring to areas such as the Lake district that does not really have a direct equivalent in many other places. Following from this in the UK there is the Fell runners association, wherea...

According to Runners World Fell and Trail shoes differ... Which to me implies the terrain difference is important. Hmm

nivag

@Aravona I think in the UK people use the terms fairly interchangeably, technically there may be a difference but I think all my friends who are runners would just say they do fell running.

In the US and probably most of Europe too, people will probably refer to the same thing as trail or hill running as they don't really have the same terrain as in the UK and just running across some hills with no path is not really a done thing. On the other hand they have some trails that are much more mountainous than what you get in the UK.

Does that make it any more clear?

Aravona

@nivag that basically what what I already said wen I said it only varies locally to the UK. What I wanted to know more about in reality was if the OS comment about terrain had any validity, thinking on this question all day you could argue altitude as another factor, at least in the UK.

As I said runners world say you need different grip styles for Fell and Trail running on the forum I was reading. Which whilst a UK site to me reinforces that locally there is a difference but globally they are synonymous.

I would highly doubt running off trail in a field would be counted as Fell running, unless said field was undulating, steeply.

And from experience there tends to mostlt be footpaths everywhere in the UK so all Fell running could be trail but not all trail would be Fell... Thanks UK foe being difficult, perhaps.

@nivag your answer I think is probably the right one. I think the fact that the UK seems to have both Fell and Trail running is the only thing that holds me back from accepting it.

nivag

14:01

@Aravona I think that is about the limit of my knowledge, as I don't actually do much running.

I agree that most fell runnign probably does involve some paths

Aravona

@nivag from the OS article I read I got the idea that trail running is pretty gentle and Fell tends to include a lot of steep slopes. We aaw guys running up Snowdon last year for example.

nivag

But I have been places e.g. Peaks/Scotalnd with very little/no paths and seen people running there.

I think you are propbably right but that there is a fairly big overlap

Aravona

Ok there is another name for Fell running according to Wikipedia which is Mountain running, or hill Running.

Which by definition makes it a bit easier.

imsodin

I can just talk about Switzerland and the world championships: Trail running is very steep and can be challenging and we do not really have another name for "off-path" running, neither have I heard of fell running before. I guess this falls under the category everything else than UK ;)

Not that I compete at worlds, but a friend of mine does - just to avoid confusion :P

Aravona

Ahhh! I think I know why this is so confusing and @nivag you're right... The issue isn't just fell being a word rarely used outside the UK, but in fact that the US/other trails are basically mountain routes anyway...

Just as @imsodin just said.

But the UK has now seemingly adopted Trail running to be a much gentler form of mountain run.

Which is I guess somewhere between cross country and Fell. I might have to word a slightly more sane answer...

Becuase I'm Rambling (pun!)

nivag

14:11

:)

Liam

@imsodin UK likes ot make things confusing

Aravona

Unless you'd like to update yours @nivag to include the fact the UK wants to have them both as slightly different difficulties of the same thing?

imsodin

@Aravona Just to add some more terminology confusion: The championship is not called Trail running as I said but Mountain Running

Aravona

If so I'd wholeheartedly accept yours :)

@imsodin a fell is a big hill / mountain :P which makes it more like thr UK?

imsodin

Way too many names for basically the same thing

@Aravona I guess so

Aravona

14:14

I believe the US counts our mountains as hills based on definition. I might have to go find that

Oh that's interesting, a mountain isn't defined simply by Height based on the UN environmental definition

But also degree of slope / range of elevation. Interesting :) I forgot how awesome geography was. Shame I failed my A Lvl...

Maybe a UK tag would be handy on my question then

Since we are the only people with both terms

nivag

@Aranova I'll try and make mine more clear

Aravona

14:37

@nivag awesome dude.

On a work related note a third party company wants access to my WordPress website and out digital manager wants them to just have it. One I don't want to spend time setting it up and two, I don't see their need.

Such a pain in the backside.

Aravona

15:27

@nivag perfect answer thanks mate :) happy.

WedaPashi

15:45

Evening :)

Aravona

16:02

@WedaPashi evening

WedaPashi

Hows you? @Ara!

Aravona

16:19

@WedaPashi I'm ok, dog has decided peeing / pooing in the day is now acceptable.... Not impressed. You?

Liam

@Aravona Oh dear

@Aravona My idea didn't help then?

WedaPashi

16:47

@Ara: I am good. Will start going through the expedition pictures tomorrow.

Morning @J.Musser

Aravona

17:07

@Liam he just seems to have had a bad day. We did make his overnight pen a bit smaller as well so might be that

@WedaPashi awesome!

WedaPashi

17:58

:)

J. Musser

19:22

@WedaPashi Hi!

Middle of the workday here

lol

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