The Whiteboard

12:13 AM

@enderland 23:22 isn't late

@LightnessRacesinOrbit what makes you think that Disney would spoil a good movie with a terrible sequel? They have never done that before... — Snowman 6 hours ago

Lightness Races in Orbit

plus it was an hour previous when I wrote my last message

@MichaelT lol

enderland

@Snowman I thought you were going to refer to Pirates of the Carribean with that, then I realized... there are lots of potential candidates for this award. :(

Lightness Races in Orbit

SE is hilarious sometimes

enderland

@LightnessRacesinOrbit if I get a chance I'm going to write a self-answered Workplace question about how to represent my Workplace.SE contributions and moderatorship in the best positive light in an interview

Lightness Races in Orbit

12:19 AM

pfft

user55340

1:09 AM

The CSA needs your help! Send more beans to the ISS: upvoted.com/2015/10/14/…

user114359

@enderland which message were you replying to?

enderland

@LightnessRacesinOrbit what makes you think that Disney would spoil a good movie with a terrible sequel? They have never done that before... — Snowman 7 hours ago

user114359

@enderland Ah, good point. The sequels weren't terrible though, they just weren't good.

user114359

@MichaelT that article was worth it for this picture if nothing else:

user114359

user55340

1:15 AM

@Snowman bigthink.com/design-for-good/…

enderland

this is one of those times when... it's hard to know if science is serious or trolling the world

user114359

2:47 AM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit both those questions you commented on showed up in the review queues and I voted to migrate them to SO.

Duga

4:16 AM

Hm, maybe a better fit for programmers.stackexchange.com? — Sergio Tulentsev 14 secs ago

programmers.stackexchange.com to start with. — gotnull 37 secs ago

Duga

6:43 AM

I'm voting to close this question because the SO ignored the strict "no crossposts" policy of the SE network. I suggest to leave the dupe on "Programmers" open because it will better fit there. — Doc Brown 58 secs ago

Duga

9:06 AM

this is not a programming question, try this place programmers.stackexchange.com — svarog 18 secs ago

Lightness Races in Orbit

10:31 AM

True story: it's George Boole's 200th birthday today.

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@Snowman yay!

Jimmy Hoffa

1:48 PM

Happy Coffee Day

@LightnessRacesinOrbit long (live & die) George Boole!

@Snowman that's a thing???

@LightnessRacesinOrbit to be fair, I have a suspicion that's not 100% accurate as it appears to be a bottle of Champagne not just Wine

Lightness Races in Orbit

@JimmyHoffa I wonder what you think champagne is

also, no, Schramsberg is sparkling wine from California, USA

otherwise you're spot on

Jimmy Hoffa

2:12 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Calling Champagne "wine" is like calling scotch "Whiskey" - sure, technicaly but.. scotch. So, yeah.

enderland

omfg this system I work with is SO. DAMN. BUGGY.

user114359

@enderland ^^^ this?

enderland

Duga

Definition of valid questions straight from help center,: "if your question generally covers…(a specific programming problem, or) (a software algorithm, or) (software tools commonly used by programmers; and is) **(a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development)…then you’re in the right place to ask your question!" --- The closing of this question was made based on a misunderstanding of the word "give", which was intended as "give an explanation", but was wrongly received in the meaning of "give a reference to an external source". Please reopen. — TheLima 54 secs ago

user55340

2:27 PM

Heh. Ranting about a request for tutorials.

user55340

Alternatively too broad.

enderland

@MichaelT lol yeah that question will get DV'ed by us :P hahaha

user114359

@enderland your system is obsolete and fails miserably at its intended purpose?

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman he lives in SAP ...

user114359

2:42 PM

@JimmyHoffa This about sums up working with SAP. I haven't had the displeasure of doing so, but I have heard many horror stories.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman SAP stories come in one of two flavors:

> I knew a guy who worked in SAP, his life was a litany of hells.

or

> I knew a guy who worked in SAP, he made $300/hr doing consulting because huge corporations have tons of it but nobody in their right mind wants to work in it. He worked 8 months a year.

user114359

@JimmyHoffa Every personal story I have heard was of the first variety, but I have heard rumors of the second.

enderland

yes, that image is fitting

Lightness Races in Orbit

3:06 PM

@JimmyHoffa the full name of scotch is "scotch whiskey", so... um. yeah.

@JimmyHoffa I know someone who is fucking loaded from doing basically bugger all. Clicking a few buttons in SAP. grr.

He is on holiday somewhere almost every fucking day

enderland

@LightnessRacesinOrbit money isn't everything

Lightness Races in Orbit

@enderland it is when you get to go on holiday somewhere almost every fucking day :)

it used to be nice to see photos of nice places each ~~week~~ ok month but after a few years it just gets a bit irritating

user55340

3:38 PM

There is a simple solution to this: become a SAP consultant.

TRiG

Maven is confusing me.

user55340

Once that maket becomes sufficiently saturated, wages will go down and they will only take vacations once a year.

user55340

@TRiG and?

user114359

@TRiG Maven is really good at that

TRiG

I just want to play with Liquibase, but there seems to be no way to do so other than to install Maven, install the Liquibase plugin, and run it that way. And Maven seems to do many many many things. And all the Liquibase documentation assumes you're already familiar with Maven. And arrgh!

And I don't understand Liquibase either, yet. That's why I want to play with it a bit.

user55340

3:45 PM

Claims you can do it from ant, but if it wants maven that is likely even more complex.

TRiG

Meh. Maybe I'm just tired. I'll try playing with ant instead.

Robert Harvey

One more vote to migrate and I'll close as a dupe on Stack Overflow: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/301470/…

ratchet freak

@RobertHarvey dupe hammer is ready stackoverflow.com/questions/33481584/…

user114359

@TRiG Maven hides a lot of details which can be confusing at first. Think of it as Ant with standardized target names and you can't easily see the steps each target executes. Also, source folder names and other stuff are hard-coded. It forces you to set your project up like every other project for consistency.

user55340

You can change the file structure in <build>

user55340

3:58 PM

Don't though. It makes it confusing.

user114359

@MichaelT one can change stuff in Maven, but it is deliberately difficult to do. Maven's philosophy is "forced consistency."

Jimmy Hoffa

coding on my tiny low-res screen at home stinks when I'm so used 2 24" 1080p monitors to code on...bleh.. so much scrolling..

user114359

@JimmyHoffa amazon.com/Samsung-UN85S9-Framed-85-Inch-Ultra/dp/B00CMEN95U

user114359

Time for an upgrade

user55340

4:26 PM

user55340

So much scrolling indeed.

user114359

4:37 PM

@MichaelT scroll down to the reviews

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman I wish... my media player on my TV does do 4k

However it's hooked up to a 6 year old 40" LCD that only does 1080P-with-burnt-in-spots

whenever it displays a solid color on the whole screen you can see a big L shape taking about a third of the screen that's rather darker than the rest of the screen heh; but 4k capable streamer!

user114359

Highest resolution screen in my house is 1080p (several of them). Given that 4K isn't even standardized yet I don't see the need.

Thomas Owens

@MichaelT Mind if I ask you about your flag?

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens it's red with swirling blue marks to indicate his hatred for python and the red is instructive of how he's bled for perl

user55340

@ThomasOwens which one? GitHub?

Thomas Owens

4:51 PM

@MichaelT Yeah. Exactly how is that off-topic? Especially since we say that questions about using a tool in a software development workflow belong on Programmers.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT you have a Github flag too? Let me guess, it's the git-squit being eaten by a Perforce logo set against a backdrop of branch-lines?

user55340

It's about the how to use github.

user55340

Specific page flow.

user55340

Do this on this page, that on that page.

Thomas Owens

Maybe I'm not reading the question right, but I see a workflow defined and he wants to know how to use a specific tool to implement a workflow.

user55340

4:53 PM

GH pull requests are a GH thing and not part of git as a whole.

Thomas Owens

So?

I guess I don't see how GitHub isn't a tool.

user55340

If it was asking about git instead of GH I'd migrate to SO.

user55340

It is a tool. Specific web app tool.

user55340

webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/github

user55340

Look at their questions.

Thomas Owens

4:54 PM

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be on-topic on Web Apps.

user55340

It's a better site for that question than SO.

Thomas Owens

I'm saying I don't see how it's off-topic on Programmers, since we explicitly say that questions about using tool X in workflow Y belongs on Programmers.

user55340

Its not about the conceptual aspects of the git workflow. or version control.

user55340

It is about the specific steps needed to go through a known process.

Thomas Owens

So then the answer I linked to is wrong and needs to be revised.

user55340

4:56 PM

Thus, the question of where it should go is "do you type this on the command line? or click it in a web browser" and that distinguishes SO from WebApps.

user55340

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Q: Where does my git question go?

You've got a question about git. Its not uncommon, lots of people have questions about git. But where should the question be asked?

user55340

> Question is about github the site

There are also questions that are tangentially about git, but are really about github, the website. Questions such as:

user55340

> •Strikethrough with GitHub Markdown
•Can I delete my public GitHub repository?
•Reference tag from comment

user55340

> These are questions for Webapps.SE. The key point here is if you are trying to figure out how to get something to work with github. This is about specifically github and not about setting up your own git server (thats most likely a Stack Overflow question in the git-daemon tag).

Thomas Owens

Yeah. But that's faq-proposed. This is faq.

user55340

4:57 PM

I'd argue specific trumps general.

Thomas Owens

> If your question involves how to integrate a tool or type of tool into your workflow or process, then it is likely to be on-topic on Programmers. Generally, if you aren't asking about how to use a specific feature of a tool, but trying to determine how to use the tool to achieve a well-defined goal, start here.

user55340

It isn't about integration though, it is about how to use

user55340

Which commands or pages one needs to invoke to get it to work. Not conceptual.

Thomas Owens

Read the last sentence: "but trying to determine how to use the tool to achieve a well-defined goal, start here".

There's a well-defined goal an a tool. Is that sentence wrong?

user55340

The workflow is already defined by GitHub.

user55340

4:59 PM

The question is about how to use that workflow.

user55340

> I should point out that we want to avoid 3rd party code review tools if at all possible and would like to stay on vanilla GitHub with some sort of workarounds.

user55340

This is a question specifically about GitHub.

user55340

Starting here isn't a bad thing - its just that it may be off topic, and in which case we should migrate the good questions to the proper site.

Thomas Owens

I don't know. To me, workflow is process and process is on-topic here. We even say that using tools to implement a process belongs here in a meta-faq question. I don't see how it matters that it's about GitHub.

In order to migrate, it needs to be clearly off-topic here. I guess I don't see how it is off-topic here.

user55340

If the question was "how do I do peer reviews using command line git commands" it would be migrated to Stack Overflow.

Thomas Owens

5:02 PM

@MichaelT I wouldn't migrate that.

user55340

The answer to this question is 'go to page A, click this button, go to page B, fill in the text box, click button, got to page C...

user55340

This is a "how do you use a tool" question.

Thomas Owens

OK, but I guess I'm not convinced that it's not a "development methodologies and processes" question.

user55340

The workflow and process isn't something that the OP is trying to work and figure out the problems with their process.

user55340

The question isn't one of concepts, but practical "which button to push"

user55340

5:06 PM

They are moving from one WebApp review system to another WebApp review system and need to know what to click and where to fill in what fields.

Thomas Owens

@MichaelT I get that. But we say those are on-topic here.

user55340

Can you suggest any github questions that are off topic here then?

Thomas Owens

Yeah. The examples you give: how you delete a repository on GitHub, how you make a new repository, how you use markdown.

There's a difference between "how do I do task X" and "how do I implement workflow Y".

user55340

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Q: How do you update a GitHub repo fork in the web interface?

I have a Github repository that I forked from some other project several months ago. It is now several months later and the original master repo has changed. I would like to update my repo to reflect those changes. Is this possible in the Github web interface? Or do I just need to delete the repo...

github

Thomas Owens

Yeah, that's a Web Apps questions for sure.

user55340

5:09 PM

How do you do X in the webapp.

user55340

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Q: How to use a github as a hosting for a small static website?

I have found a project called impress.js on the GitHub. This project has a cool demo at http://bartaz.github.com/impress.js How can I use GitHub in a similar way for my projects' demos (or at least for HTML-formatted online docs)?

hosting github

Jimmy Hoffa

5:21 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit the full name of scotch is SCOOOOOOTCH, or Scotchy McScotchInMaBelly

Duga

6:02 PM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because i've moved this to programmers stackexchange forums — perseverance 29 secs ago

Jimmy Hoffa

... just wrote a simple XML deserializer for the custom XML API I have to deal with (bleh) - I should have just done this ages ago. Reflection and some simple enforced rules on structure and I don't need to write individual deserializers for each type, just need to create the instances of the types to the API's spec... Bla. It's ugly and cruddy but a lot less code

It's kludgey because it's fragile - if you violate any one of the rules about how it must be mapped and it won't work but hell.. It's a hell of a lot less code and it's based on the actual implementation it's aimed at. O well, now I know. Or at least, now I have it and will find out if the inconsistencies of the XML api I'm working with break it...

yeck stupid 1440x900 monitor, what is this like 30 vertical lines of code at a time? This is terribad.

Lightness Races in Orbit

6:17 PM

Star Trek is coming back to TV

Jimmy Hoffa

@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, the 7th one just came out right?

Thomas Owens

6:27 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've read mixed things. One article said only the first episode would be on TV and the rest would be on CBS All Access only. Others seemed to indicate they would all be on TV.

Lightness Races in Orbit

I've not read much

I'm not sure what to think of it tbh

amon

6:50 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit That announcement is so confusing: “available exclusively in the United States […] developed specifically for U.S. audiences” – boo – “distributed concurrently […] around the world” – what?

Thomas Owens

@amon Exactly. So many mixed messages.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens it's star trek, it doesn't need to be consistent - it can opt instead for reversing polarity on their hyper drive core to live in a realm of kleenean truthiness

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