The Whiteboard

Robert Harvey

16:00

And an MSDN subscription.

@ThomasOwens Quality of life comes first.

Duga

This is probably a better question for either the Programmers SE or CodeReview SE sites — valverij 45 secs ago

Robert Harvey

We spend too much time at work to be miserable.

Thomas Owens

@RobertHarvey I would expect if the company used .NET that they would have that as an internal resource.

psr

@JimmyHoffa Great. This invalidates some of my excuses for not learning Haskell. I've still got "anywhere I try to actually use this it will be rejected as unmaintainable" though.

Thomas Owens

I'm more interested in my own professional development. Things that I can use outside of the company to further myself or my careers.

psr

16:08

Atom 1.0 is out. Has anybody worked with Atom? (Their elevator pitch is that it's on-par feature-wise with something like Sublime, but as hackable as Emacs. It's written in Chromium (to be usable locally) and node.js with some C++ glue, but it's mostly made up of node modules, so to hack it you just need to be able to write node modules.

Thomas Owens

@psr I expected this to be about the thing that was like RSS, not an editor.

Ampt

It's... an editor?\

downloading

installer is nice

ok.. it installed but didn't ask me for anything or have me click anything

interesting

never used sublime, but this seems pretty nice

nice color support

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey not control flow, the publishing is broadcasting messages through IPC, and the process continues on. Other processes listen for certain messages and respond to them

@psr yeah, I just thought that was a really great tutorial and I'm amazed how identical PureScript is to Haskell

@psr I'll give it a peak... will be doing some javascript work soon, but I'm more inclined to stick with emacs for it. Would be hard to get me out of emacs or visual studio frankly

there's a variety of things I really dislike about sublime; largest of which the "this folder is my workspace!" folders have lots of shit in them

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa I didn't realize you had such traumatic brain damage. I'm sorry to hear that.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt I don't have to listen to the two of you! Stop spinning! Just leave me alone!

Ampt

16:23

@JimmyHoffa this has the same folder-is-workspace mentality

maybe you should have some cleaner folders :P

Robert Harvey

[Makes popcorn]

Jimmy Hoffa

nah... it's not even that.. don't really recall what made it irritating, either way I'll try this atom thing and see what I think

perhaps it was that with sublime if you want to open something from another folder, you have to open another sublime

psr

@JimmyHoffa It ships with a lot of the emacs key bindings as the default. I believe the main author is a big emacs fan, but wanted to bring it to the unbearded JavaScript masses.

Ampt

ugh. Deletes Atom

there is an ignore setting to hide files you don't care about

similar to like a gitignore

Robert Harvey

That's a bad thing? Just don't use the setting?

Duga

16:30

I'm not understanding your question but it seems like it the question doesn't have to do with code. Perhaps programmers.SE, graphicdesign.SE, or maybe UX.SE — vihan1086 10 secs ago

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt can you open 2 folders without opening another Atom?

Ampt

yep

"Add project folder" under file

Jimmy Hoffa

emacs can have as many folder browsing buffers as you like, visual studio solutions can be pointed at any number of disparate folders, so I think that got on my nerves with sublime

pah! C-w does the wrong thing, emacs bindings my eye

I can't C-x,Left...

Ampt

oh man, it looks just as good at stupid-DPI settings as well

I like it

Jimmy Hoffa

github.com/fuqcool/atom-emacs-mode

> This package is no longer under maintain. Because I realized that there is nothing in this world can replace Emacs. Happy hacking!

Robert Harvey

16:41

Pfft.

Ampt

yeah... that hasn't been changed since sept. of last year

Robert Harvey

@JimmyHoffa Do you always use just one, and only one, logging service?

(I hesitate to use the word Singleton, because Singleton)

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey lately I use log4net, let things hit the local log file, and have an appender that tosses them to an MQ, and let other services subscribe to the MQ to stick things in DBs or do other stuff. I typically put a static constructor in my classes that create a logger for their class type so you can get the log4net class filtering for development it's nice to know there's an error in QA, go turn on the trace level logging for a specific class that's having issue

trace logging on an entire application is just too damn much to wade through when you're just doing your typical development break/fix cycle

Robert Harvey

A static constructor. Yeah, that makes sense. Do you inject the logger?

I don't guess that makes sense if it's a static constructor.

And I never quite understood why you would ever want to inject a logger, unless you have multiple loggers.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey that's why, it's an option, I just don't really think there's a lot of purpose... private static ILog _log = LogManager.GetLogger(typeof(whatever)) is really enough, and there's no reason to have multiple loggers when you use one like log4net that sends your messages to multiple loggers already per configuration..

psr