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user114359

18:05

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user114359

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I'm trying to visit an SSL 1.2 HTTPS Page through a SOCKS5 Proxy with PHP + cURL. The problem is, that I can't get an response from the page. This is my code till now: <?PHP error_reporting(-1); ini_set('display_errors', 'On'); ini_set('max_execution_time', 0); $t = new test; $t->changeIP("91....

durron597

@Snowman Been out for 17 hours

Robert Harvey

18:21

@Telastyn this is the current instance. You have to seed the recursive function with something, so you start where you are.

On subsequent recursive calls, you pass only part of the tree, not all of it.

        Traverse(this,
            x => { s.AppendLine(x.ToString()); }
        );

durron597

Poll the room: professional summary at the top of resumes?

Robert Harvey

Anyway, I went to the Wikipedia article on tree traversal, and figure out that you can simplify it to this:

        public void InOrderTraverse(Tree<T> tree, Action<T> Visit)
        {
            if (tree == null)
                return;

            InOrderTraverse(tree.Left, Visit);
            Visit(tree.Item);
            InOrderTraverse(tree.Right, Visit);
        }

@durron597 I have one at the top of mine.

user114359

@durron597 Yes, as long as it is very concise.

durron597

@RobertHarvey My girlfriend is telling me to take it out, she says I need the whitespace more than I need that line

She says it's redundant

Robert Harvey

What does the line say?

durron597

18:25

I'm mostly asking here because I'm wondering if it's a difference in industries (she's a lawyer)

> A highly skilled, fast learner; interested in clean, well encapsulated, extensible, SOLID and DRY code. Able to manage all portions of the build cycle including development, testing, building, and deployment scripts.

Robert Harvey

Accomplished Software Engineer, motivated self-starter requiring minimal supervision with the ability to solve complex problems and collaborate effectively with stakeholders and team members. Strong background in data-driven, line-of-business applications and aerospace systems.

* Developed and maintained software for the automation and real-time operation of two NASA flight-control rooms and associated systems.
* Key player in the design and development of a profitable, customizable line-of-business application, the core product of a company that doubled its revenue during the recession.

durron597

Okay, so that's a lot more than one sentence.

I'm doing a 1 page resume though.

Robert Harvey

How much experience do you have, in years?

André

@durron597 I added a summary like yours as well

I have 4-5 years so there isn't much to add

Thomas Owens

I think that one-page resumes are dead, especially with LinkedIn, various application software packages, and Stack Overflow Careers.

durron597

18:27

@RobertHarvey All programming or just relevant programming?

I did VB6 for a couple years, for example.

Thomas Owens

The whole electronic thing breaks pages.

Robert Harvey

@durron597 If you did VB6 and had more than one job, it won't fit on one page.

One page resumes are a myth.

durron597

@ThomasOwens This is for an interview that I already have, they just want a resume as a reference

Thomas Owens

@RobertHarvey Maybe for a recent college grad with no work experience they aren't.

durron597

And, I'm not going to massively add stuff to it now.

Robert Harvey

18:28

@durron597 Then they won't care if it's two pages long.

Thomas Owens

I no longer maintain a Word copy of my resume. I only have LinkedIn and SO Careers. If someone needs a PDF, I dump it from one of them into a PDF.

durron597

@RobertHarvey I took so much stuff off of it already.

whatsisname

I don't think the one page resume is a myth

everyone I've seen with a multi-page resume has been awful

durron597

@whatsisname Ding

Robert Harvey

The one page myth derives from employers and recruiters sifting through resumes and shit-canning 99 percent of them. The belief is that, if you can cram everything on one page, it might actually prevent the employer from dumping it into the circular file.

Guess what? It doesn't work.

whatsisname

18:30

people that have actually known their shit have a one page resume because they don't need to fluff themselves

durron597

@whatsisname Ding.

Robert Harvey

Uh, no.

Thomas Owens

@RobertHarvey I'm sure someone like Vint Cerf, Steve McConnell, or Martin Fowler can get away with a one page resume. They could probably each have a one or two line resume and get a job.

whatsisname

If anything, do a one page resume, and a multi-page portfolio with screenshots, blurbs about things, and whatnot

André

Steve Jobs could have "Iphone dawg" and get hired

@ThomasOwens, do you have industry experience not related to computer science added to your carrers profile?

whatsisname

18:33

lock missles on target: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/283544/…

Thomas Owens

@André Everything is on my SO Careers profile.

user55340

@Snowman here is another hard code puzzle

user55340

16

Q: Race of the Digits

You should write a program or function which given a starting order of distinct one-digit positive integers and the length of the track as input outputs or returns the finish order of the numbers. The input [5,1,2,6,7] and 14 defines the following race: -------------- 76215 -> -------------- ...

code-golf simulation

Thomas Owens

But then again, every job that I've ever had is somewhat related to software.

Ixrec

@whatsisname thanks, I almost wasted a CV on that

user114359

18:35

@whatsisname fire another salvo:

user114359

-3

Q: best naming convention in PHP?

What's best naming convention in PHP?

php naming coding-standards conventions naming-standards

Robert Harvey

It's such a shame to see people waste so much time on a job hunt detail that doesn't matter.

André

I have worked with computer maintenance and office support, wonder if I should add to that, if that actually adds anything to a programmer job application

user114359

I tailor a resume to the job position. I reorder stuff, reword, focus on different things as appropriate for the position.

user114359

I may even omit stuff if it is not relevant to the job and the resume is too long.

whatsisname

18:37

target was destroyed before I could launch missiles

user114359

I am out of missiles until 8 PM :-(

whatsisname

@Snowman: well I think everyone agree with that

pretty much the only argument against that is laziness, which admittedly is a significant argument

Ixrec

that, and if you haven't had a job before there's not very much to rearrange or rephrase

though even I managed to find some stuff to tweak between applications during my job hunt

like emphasizing my double major in economics more when applying to the financial software company

user55340

I've always had to reorder language proficiency. Want Java? Ok that's first. Perl shop? Ok...

durron597

@MichaelT For Java I specifically put various tools on their own item. I have used this library and that library and this other library

whatsisname

18:45

I don't know what I would do if I had to go on the job hunt again

Duga

Sorry, this is not how this site works. You are trying to take advantage of others trying to assist and help where fellow programmers run into problems the cannot solve themselves. Just being lazy and expecting from others is pretty bad style. Sorry, but you really should think a little about if your expectation of others doing your work for you is such a great idea. — arkascha 48 secs ago

whatsisname

i'd probably hassle all the people I've worked with first

Duga

If you're asking about how to design a program, I would probably try programmers.stackexchange.com. Since this is the dining philosopher's problem, you might try cs.stackexchange.com, although I'm not active there. As far as finding Java tools for concurrency, a Google search will reveal some good Oracle documentation. If you come into a specific problem, such as threading issues while using an Executor, that would be fine to post here at StackOverflow. — RustyTheBoyRobot 23 secs ago

user114359

@MichaelT that is an interesting problem

user55340

Heh. Tag scores on code golf for me: popularity contest: 558. Underhanded: 553. Math: 553. Next highest: code golf: 1

durron597

18:49

@MichaelT That's like my StackOverflow profile. Why are [exception] and [nullpointerexception] my top (non Java) tags?

user55340

@Snowman look at my favorites on code golf for the ones I'm going to puzzle for at some point.

Duga

This question would be off-topic at Programmers too: we have the same close reason for requesting an off-site resource. Please read: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow. — Snowman 22 secs ago

durron597

@Snowman so do you like your new stackapps toy?

user114359

@durron597 I haven't set up any canned responses yet

Telastyn

@RobertHarvey - right but you can call Left.Traverse(action) rather than Traverse(Left, action)

@durron597 - I do it because resume things suggest it. As someone who reads resumes, it's nothing but an opportunity to have bad spelling/grammar.

Stack Exchange

19:02

Blog - Stack Exchange: Stack Exchange Podcast #64: Not Recorded in Ithaca

Abby T. Miller on May 11, 2015

Welcome to Stack Exchange Podcast Episode #64, recorded in the podcast studio at Stack Exchange HQ in New York City, NY. Our podcast today is brought to you by string cheese! (It can be eaten by pulling strips from the cheese along its length and eating those strings.) Our hosts are Jay Hanlon, David Fullerton, and Joel Spolsky, joined today by guest Roberta Arcoverde.

Roberta is visiting NYC on vacation, and she’s obviously doing a terrible job taking time off because here she is at work. Roberta joined the team in March 2014 and has been working on Careers ever since. She’s curren …

durron597

@Telastyn I ultimately decided it doesn't matter that much because I already have an interview.

So I just sent it.

I also made a joke about not knowing whether one page interviews are en vogue in my email

Robert Harvey

Jokes... I try not to make them until I know someone. People don't get my sense of humor sometimes.

Those recruitment sites... "Show us you're personality!" Yeah, you're really going to get to see that in a cover letter.

whatsisname

what was I going to do just now

Robert Harvey

@Telastyn The only real advantage to passing around a Tree<T> is you can call it on an arbitrary subtree, if you want to.

user114359

@whatsisname make yourself a sandwich?

Robert Harvey

19:06

'Course, I guess you can do that your way as well.

durron597

@RobertHarvey Well I already passed the initial phone screen

"Oh sorry we're going to cancel your interview because you made a joke in an email"... I doubt it.

Unless it's like, "yo mama so fat, when she jump... she get stuck!" that might not go over so well.

Robert Harvey

I've become quite paranoid about such things.

    public IEnumerable<T> AsIEnumerable()
    {
        InOrderTraverse(
            x => { yield return x; }
        );
    }

"The yield statement cannot be used inside an anonymous method or lambda expression"

Bummer.

Telastyn

yeh, I'm just used to instance methods being required to use this

whatsisname

if you have a multithreaded android app does the android studio debugger become totally useless or something?

Telastyn

19:26

no idea.

user55340

19:53

Let's toss this into the close vote queue:

user55340

4

Q: Astronomy and Cosmology Computing?

I'm wondering if there is any course in University or anywhere else or probably company that has a department for Astronomy and Cosmology related computer science (I know NASA will need one). I would like to know how much demand or popularity of this field of programming. Where else will this fie...

computer-science

user55340

Unless a mod gets there first and closes and deletes it.

user114359

@MichaelT I'll just keep that tab open for another four hours :-)

user55340

Well... All I've got left are comment votes.

durron597

teaching still has 10 questions with 0 cvs on them.

Ixrec

20:15

@durron597 I believe I have now CV'd every teaching question that is neither closed nor locked

durron597

@Ixrec Sweet, I'll review them in 4 hours.

user55340

@Snowman here is a meta post for you:

user55340

82

Q: J and GolfScript suck all the enjoyment out of Code Golf

I have found code-golf a fascinating pastime for several weeks now. However, I’m already losing interest because the contests allow any language, and because of that it is pretty much impossible for anything other than J or GolfScript to get anywhere close to winning. As soon as I see a less-tha...

discussion code-golf

Ixrec

hopefully I didn't go overboard and miss an on-topic question, but none of them looked like the sort of question we'd welcome if it simply had that tag edited away

user114359

@Ixrec I find that the question age is the key. Older questions tagged with anything education-related tend to be off-topic, while newer questions with those tags are more likely to be editable to be on-topic.

durron597

20:22

@MichaelT I upvoted that question 1 year ago yesterday.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT I thought in codegolf, the poster creates the rules; ergo they can dictate languages if they so choose?

durron597

@JimmyHoffa You're likely to get crying and downvotes if you ban golfing languages

Telastyn

codegolf is dumb, even for non-golfing languages.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa you could, but those are boring and often are "my homework is challenging- do it for me"

user114359

@durron597 I upvoted it one minute ago.

Jimmy Hoffa

20:25

@durron597 ?? I thought the whole point was the challenge, any crying I would think would come from people who aren't big in the community. I think it's the challenge that attracts people, and challenging people to compete on an even keel would be more challenging than telling them all "If you know golfscript you get a handicap"

Wouldn't expect you to get a gripe from folk

durron597

Really the big problem is that they don't have a culture of upvoting for cleverness, they have a culture of upvoting for competitiveness.

user55340

@Telastyn it has a history and reason (fewer cards, shorter tape). One could say the same of fencing as a sport... It's reason is long gone, but there is a challenge to it as a sport.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn it's silly, but it's a game; more so than the rest of SE. A game that attracts coders who like a challenge to compete on.

user55340

@durron597 code golf culture > puzzling culture.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT are, but no reason you couldn't go through and snip some of the best ones and challenge folks to golf them in a given one or two languages. Perl vs. Python Go! or some such

durron597

20:27

The other problem is that you want as many people to participate in your question as possible right?

user55340

@JimmyHoffa that was the old code golf on so. And perl kept winning. Then j and golf script. I haven't seen golf script in awhile.

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 not anywhere else in SE

durron597

If you banned, say, Java from a question, I would not be able to compete.

@JimmyHoffa Code Golf is not like other Stacks.

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 oh we're totally fine with you not being able to participate... goodness that would be just A-OK, trust me.

;P

user55340

And then there is that esolang apl that keeps winning.

Jimmy Hoffa

20:29

@MichaelT so why not let the people compete instead of the languages ? Say the solution must be in C# or whatever and see who comes up with the shortest implementation for that

whatsisname

just make all code golf problems be in C, the lingua franca

Jimmy Hoffa

puke

whatsisname

lol

user55340

My golf philos is against languages in the same heat. Not everyone who runs the Boston Marathon is in the "will be one of the top 100 in time" so what.

Telastyn

@MichaelT - it's like nutkicking is a sport. I mean, you could argue there's challenge in it, but it encourages bad habits.

Ixrec

20:30

it's common for people to post comments helping to golf away a couple extra characters, so a one-language challenge would turn into everyone shaving one byte off the current best answer

I think that would be worse than the current site, though I suppose you could argue that both ways

user55340

@Telastyn if you are using golfing style in day to day code, golf isn't going to hurt or help you - you've got bigger problems.

Telastyn

but the entire mindset that less code is better is antithetical to good coding.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa if you post a C# answer then you will have people cheering for that. Remember also not all questions are golf.

Ixrec

some of their best questions are things like "do something cool in your language"

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ixrec that's because it's structured as a language competition, if people had a better way to do it in the language the Q was force to be written in, they would write an answer that's better. It would be totally anti-FGITW which would be an interesting reversal forcing the first poster to try and be as perfect as possible, or else others would copy and tweak their answer.

whatsisname

20:34

less code often is better though

user55340

The ones I am most interested in are much more than golfing. That tree problem that is out there now. While described as golf will have solutions in the hundreds of bytes.

whatsisname

not to golf-level absurdity though, but more code is definitely not better

Telastyn

simpler solutions are often better. less code rarely is.

Ixrec

let's all argue about what "less code" means =)

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn true, but that exact statement is used to prop up arguments against strawmen where people show obfuscated golfed up code and say "See! We should make our code as bloated as possible, see what short code does!"

Telastyn

20:35

meh, I have somewhere to be irl. bbiab.

Jimmy Hoffa

ergo; I hate you for holding the argument strawmasters use.

Ixrec

let's distinguish between the verbosity/terseness of a piece of code and the actual complexity of logic it expresses

when "less code" is achieved through reducing complexity, that's a win, when it's achieved through making the existing complex logic more terse, that is not a win

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ixrec see, your argument doesn't fit on a sign, it loses the argument. You need a slogan, like "If the code don't fit, you must acquit"

Ixrec

and this is why I hang out on a site that has a minimum byte count for all posts

user114359

user114359

20:42

What about a code golf where the scoring criteria is "write two programs, one in GolfScript|J|APL and the other in Java|C#|C++. Your score is the average of the two."

user55340

@Snowman you are missing that I'm perfectly happy golfing perl or dc or Java by itself and competing against (in my mind) Python, apl, and C#.

user114359

@MichaelT I mentioned that as my own idea, not because of anything anyone else said. Diversify. I have seen golfs where multiple languages were combined.

user55340

That's the game that cjam and pyth play with each other. And the BF people just try to solve it.

Ixrec

I suppose we could organize languages into wrestling-style tiers and have each golf puzzle be tagged as esoteric-weight or enterprise-weight

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user55340

That would be an interesting meta discussion there.

Jimmy Hoffa

20:49

@Ixrec i-will-cut-you

Ixrec

@JimmyHoffa =)

durron597

@Ixrec Bring it up in the nineteenth byte

user114359

code bowling tag

Ixrec

@Snowman now that sounds amusing

user114359

How big can you make your program where every character contributes to the solution?

user114359

20:54

well, work is done and I'm getting interested in codegolf.stackexchange.com but I am interested in PS4 more. See ya after the CVs reset!

Ixrec

@Snowman "Input should be an integer ... Output is in British English." these people are brilliant and loopy in equal measure

user55340

@Ixrec there is fun with counting in English on that side of the pond.

Ixrec

I've lived here for a year and I've never heard anyone use milliards

user55340

Long and short scales

The long and short scales are two of several large-number naming systems for integer powers of ten, that use the same words with different meanings: Long scale: Every new term greater than million is one million times larger than the previous term. Thus, billion means a million millions (1012), trillion means a million billions (1018), and so on. Short scale: Every new term greater than million is one thousand times larger than the previous term. Thus, billion means a thousand millions (109), trillion means a thousand billions (1012), and so on. For integers less than a thousand million (< 109...

user55340

I've often heard thousand million in British science documentaries.

Robert Harvey

21:50

Cool stuff:

    public static IEnumerable<T> InOrder(this ITree<T> tree)
    {
        var stack = new Stack<ITree<T>>();
        for (ITree<T> current = tree; current != null || !(stack.Count() == 0); current = current.Right)
        {
            while (current != null)
            {
                stack.Push(current);
                current = current.Left;
            }
            current = stack.Pop();
            yield return current.Item;
        }
    }

Adapted from blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/archive/2007/12/19/…

enderland

@Snowman this is AWESOME

Robert Harvey

It turns out you get a whole lot more flexibility with generic types if you're willing to pass everything through a class interface.

Presumably because you defer all type decisions until you actually construct a concrete object.

enderland

Kinda nice having an HR manager tell you that you seem pretty professional and that you will be successful

Ixrec

Current STCI status: learning 195 open questions / education 60 open questions / teaching 16 open questions

felt like updating it

Robert Harvey

Hello Duga... I mean, @Ixrec

durron597

21:57

@Ixrec A blue name could just edit my chat.

I was going to do it when Teaching got zeroed.

André

@enderland awesome

enderland

@durron597 done

Ixrec

cool

durron597

I think it's silly that blue names can do that but room owners can't.

Robert Harvey

blue name > room owner

enderland

21:59

I think chat is a feature that was the "do it shipped" over the "do it right" perspective :P

durron597

With any luck I'll have a blue name in a couple weeks and then I can stop whining about it.

Ixrec

I thought blue name and owner were the same thing...

durron597

<-- italic name. owner.

enderland

@durron597 what site?

durron597

Blue name = diamond anywhere on SE

@enderland Mythology private beta

enderland

22:00

oooh fun!

durron597

Yannis is a lock for mod, but I think it's more likely than not I'll get one of the others.

@enderland You should join, it's more fun than a barrel of monkeys

I love early beta stuff.

I don't think that [magic-plant] is a very useful tag. Nobody is an expert on "magic plants". — senshin Apr 28 at 17:34

Ixrec

I love how I can get away with asking anything if I claim it's an "experimental" question to "test site scope"

user55340

Monkeys are a mythical reference to the attempt by Hagbard to retrieve them for a challenge by Loki. Unfortunately the monkeys escaped the barrel and took over the ship. Getting them back in the barrel was great fun. And thus the origin of the phrase.

durron597

@Ixrec Get away with? It could very easily be heavily downvoted.

Ixrec

@durron597 and yet it never is

durron597

22:10

@Ixrec Unless it's about Xenu.

Ixrec

senshin did that one for me

user55340

@JarrodRoberson given how many built in functions are in php, I'm sure there's a becomeSentient method somewhere in there... just no one has been brave enough to invoke it yet. — MichaelT 1 min ago

durron597

@MichaelT PROLOG

André

22:42

Haha oh wow

durron597

@MichaelT Delete vote eligible now

Robert Harvey

22:59

@MichaelT At my first job in the mid 80's, they had an MAI BASIC FOUR machine, running SMC's database program called IDOL and a few applications. It was all written in Business BASIC, a dialect containing a few hundred three-letter functions, like IDX() which referenced a btree index on a table.

It was actually quite fascinating. It was all procedural; subroutines but no classes.

The hard disk drive looked like a washing machine. It took those disk packs that looked like a covered stack of dinner plates. You lowered it into the top, spun the handle on the cover a few times, removed the cover, closed the lid, and pressed the START button. It took about 90 seconds for the platters to come up to speed.

user20683

@RobertHarvey 200 MB, that's a lot of space

Robert Harvey

It was back then. The disk packs they used at this place were smaller, maybe 4 platters @80MB. Everything ran on Business Basic, even the operating system.

enderland

@durron597 I already spend WAY too much time with SE as it is

enderland

23:42

@Ixrec I don't understand how that person thinks they can make a spellchecker without anything to compare to

Ixrec

me neither

human languages just aren't built that way

the other two new ones seem like they're just missing too much information for me to tell if they're answerable or not

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