The Whiteboard

user55340

00:02

For the aviation types... and those who like pretty pictures of data: vimeo.com/110348926

StackMonkey

This is definitely off-topic as defined by the help center. However, it would probably find a good home on programmers.stackexchange.com. — Jon 29 secs ago

user55340

00:30

user55340

00:45

(I want my hoverboard)

user15026

@MichaelT See I have seen so many of these on tumblr (there's a generator) for so many days and I haven't watched the movie in forever so I am skeptical :P

user15026

but yes hoverboard would be excellent

user55340

@AshleyNunn You know the "Jaws 19" bit in there? We've kind of got it right...

user55340

user15026

laughs

user55340

00:50

Jurassic World: Shark Eater Dinosaur Clip "Official Trailer" Jurassic World Shark Eater Dinosaur

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user15026

This reminds me I have never seen all of a Jurassic Park movie.

user55340

Hmm... given backtothefuture.wikia.com/wiki/Back_to_the_Future_timeline which goes into way too much detail, looks like its actually in October.

user55340

@GlenH7 woodworking project for you:

user55340

寄木細工職人、本間昇さんとヅクを作る。

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Jimmy Hoffa

02:00

@RobertHarvey I don't know anybody who knows how to answer interview questions "the right way", as far as I can tell either interviewers know how to figure out if you know how to code and design systems and basically do the job by figuring out what is needed, or they don't. I have absolutely no clues what the right answers are to interview questions and I'm suspect of anyone who says they do

if you know how to get the job done - which from everything I've seen you clearly do - they'll be able to suss that out. Otherwise no amount of studying will get you to the "right" answers short of pure luck: You study a thing and they did to, they ask about it in a way that allows you to show you share the same knowledge they do thus they decide you answered "right". There's no right thing to study to fall into that trap, it's just luck that you and the interviewer read the same things.

There's far too much shit to study to ensure you fall into that trap. Luck is the only maneuver on that one. Unfortunately bad interviewers doesn't necessarily bely a bad company or bod job. It just belies....90% of interviewers :/

This industry has yet to come up with any idea how to get a positive result in hiring, so it's all still throwing darts, and every other person claims they know the answer but empirical evidence shows, like choosing stocks, rolling the dice is as consistent as anybody's system.

user15026

I know this is mostly you speaking re: programmer interviews, but it is making me feel better about life.

Jimmy Hoffa

@AshleyNunn judging people is hard, every industry has entire portions devoted to deceit (sales, marketing..), people are social and very good at making subjective arguments look objective, if anyone actually knew how to pick the right person from the wrong person for any given thing we wouldn't have a court system.

user15026

True. Just right now, as I am the one who keeps getting not-picked, knowing that there is a large element of randomness to it in terms of personality etc helps

user15026

Because you're right, no one has the answer, as it were

Robert Harvey

03:02

@JimmyHoffa Thanks. I do think they're right about my frontend experience, though. It's not that I don't understand it; it's that most of my web work has been server-side. And unless you've written code in it, you don't really know it.

Jimmy Hoffa

04:02

@AshleyNunn my first real software industry job I was passed over for, 6 months later they came back and asked me if I was still available, took it and found out later everybody regretted the hell out of the person they did pick the first time and apparently they would have chosen me over him save for one person with more sway overruled everybody. Hiring's a mess.

user15026

@JimmyHoffa Yeah, it's a hot mess for sure.

user15026

Right now my pet peeve is "We will totally for sure let you know either way by day x" and never actually holding to that.

user15026

Like I get it, by now I assume it's a no go (been a week, for the things in question), but hot damn, people. Stop saying the thing.

StackMonkey

Google "technical phone interview questions", and a bunch should come up. It really depends. Some of the normal interview questions apply- "tell me about a time when...", "...you worked as part of a team", "...you had trouble with a teammate", "you had multiple deadlines and could only meet one". That kind of thing. They'll also probably ask about what projects you've worked on / some code you're proud of. This question doesn't really seem like an SO thing, by the way. More of a programmers.se question. And it's probably been asked before a bunch of times. — Parthian Shot 29 secs ago

Jimmy Hoffa

@AshleyNunn yeah, I find it terribly unprofessional and cowardly, old boss of mine who was promoted to management after being an employee for long enough would always call people back to tell them they were being rejected, it's not that damn hard yet people are wankers and 90% of them won't do it.

user15026

04:13

@JimmyHoffa Yeah, everything I've interviewed for is like "we will tell you" and only one ever did.

user15026

Which makes me feel like crap.

user15026

I know it has nothing to do with me specifically, but it still sucks

Jimmy Hoffa

I think most folks in the position of management just feel they're above all that, hoighty business folks which don't look at people as people anymore. It's frankly just a shitty way to behave.

People are shitty, you know what else is shitty? Having to replace all the sewage lines inside and outside your house. Homeownership is for the birds...

user15026

@JimmyHoffa That does sound shitty.

StackMonkey

04:49

@ Trey: And it says, right there in the tag: "Questions about licensing should be asked on Programmers.SE. If you’re using this tag here, your question is probably not appropriate for Stack Overflow." Your best bet for an answer to this question is to ask your lawyer. Taking legal advice from non-lawyers is asking for trouble, and even if someone is a lawyer, unless they're your lawyer (e.g., a professional-client relationshpi exists), you have no recourse if they're wrong. — T.J. Crowder 51 secs ago

StackMonkey

06:07

@Jon this question is a very poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/… Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 33 secs ago

Stack Exchange

07:43

Programming in the 21st Century: The Wrong Kind of Paranoia

posted on April 19, 2015 by James Hague

Have you ever considered how many programming language features exist only to prevent developers from doing something? And it's not only to keep you from doing something in other people's code. Often the person you're preventing from doing this thing is yourself. For example, modules let you prevent people from calling functions that haven't been explicitly exported. In C there's static which h…

MetaFight

08:41

@StackExchange I don't get the point of that rant

ratchet freak

@MetaFight its about compiler enforced decoupling

the tone is odd though

the first few paragraphs read like he is against it but ends up advocating it

MetaFight

well, he never ends up advocating it. He ends up advocating decoupling

ratchet freak

sounds like an unfinished rant

and some mind changes happened while writing it

MetaFight

he starts off by hinting that compile-time safeties are overkill and that you can get the same kind of safety with a bit of diligence... but he never gets around to saying why using the compile-time stuff is actually worse.

ratchet freak

just the last sentence: "[Decoupling is] more important than trying to protect each tiny piece from yourself."

MetaFight

08:48

so, I walk away thinking: I can use compile-tile safeties, or I can spend some extra brain time checking it on my own everytime I read the code... there's a clear winner there.

ratchet freak

reading those last few paragraphs again I can see some advocating for more coarse-grained decoupling over the fine grained that's done with compiler safeties

Separating the UI component from the radiation controller of a X-ray and only allowing a very limited set of controls between them

MetaFight

yeah, I agree with that, and I think most of the readers would as well. I guess I'm just wondering what the point of the post is.

ratchet freak

09:04

I just think it wasn't well proof read

MetaFight

fair enough

deostroll

10:09

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/4bdykf3c(v=vs.110).aspx > what do programmers normally pass as the 2nd argument to that function? I don't understand...

Stack Exchange

11:48

The Codeless Code: Case 188: Tough Love

posted on April 18, 2015

A young monk asked master Kaimu, “Other than technical proficiency, what is one essential quality for a master to have at all times?” Kaimu answered “Kindness.” The monk asked, “When Banzen corrected me with his staff, who was he being kind to? “ Kaimu answered “Your future self.” The monk asked, “When Suku denied me a leadership post, who was she being kind to?” Kaimu answered…

user55340

13:07

Whee! Chrome has been officialy installed!

ratchet freak

@MichaelT oh dear

user55340

Though for some reason fonts suck.

Robert Harvey

13:31

How important is it to have an actual url for a blog? I now have workingwithcode.blogspot.com. workingwithcode.com is taken, of course; amusingly, it redirects to bedlounge.com

user55340

Not too big. People know about the lack of good domain names.

user55340

It's like having a gmail address.

ratchet freak

@RobertHarvey doesn't redirect there for me, for me it show a squatter page with a link to buy it

Robert Harvey

How much do they want?

ratchet freak

price within 24 hours

Robert Harvey

13:35

Oh. Blow that.

ratchet freak

so it's either not taken or me looking at it made some server grab it

Robert Harvey

Don't know why I got the redirect the first time.

ratchet freak

misclick on an add?

Robert Harvey

Maybe. Wouldn't be the first time.

user41796

@RobertHarvey I'd start with SignalR for realtime updates. That'll open up the rest of the appropriate search terms. I might also go with something like RabbitMQ. But tbh, that's the type of question that indicates they want a "full stack" developer. Blech.

user41796

13:36

@MichaelT His work is gorgeous. And he has far more time available than I do. :-(

Robert Harvey

@GlenH7 Yes, that's exactly what they said. "full-stack developer."

Lots of employers want that.

user41796

Understandable

user41796

but ....

user41796

I want a purple squirrel too...

user41796

I wouldn't beat yourself up over it too much, tbh

user41796

13:39

but if you're looking for something simple to plug that hole with, play with rabbitmq for a little bit

Robert Harvey

Are FSD's that rare? Technically, I was already an FSD before the whole world decided that web apps were the shizzle.

user41796

they've got great tutorials and it's bog-simple getting both the server and client stood up

user41796

True FSDs are

user41796

Most who masquerade as FSDs do fine until the excrement hits the fan. And coincidentally, that's also when SO / SF / ... happens to be offline.

user41796

Or some guy finds a hole in the crypto libs that underpin almost all of the security and you never update because you weren't paying attention and didn't know you needed to

ratchet freak

13:41

true FSD can look at the output on a oscilloscope and know exactly what was sent

Robert Harvey

At the moment, my strategy is to learn Javascript/CSS3/HTML5, on the theory that none of that is going away any time soon.

Telastyn

most of my peers here are FSD, but everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Like the most difficult front end or server end stuff is best left to certain individuals, even if everyone can do basic-intermediate things.

user41796

@ratchetfreak Capturing the timing signal is such a pain in the butt though

user41796

(Did I just out some of my l33t skills there?)

user41796

@Telastyn Yes, this, most definitely

user41796

13:42

Too many companies don't acknowledge that everyone has weaknesses. And they need to hire around those weaknesses

user41796

That said - mine currently is working with various UI frameworks. I can; but I dislike javascript

Robert Harvey

JS is kinda cool, if you can avoid the land mines.

user41796

I haven't gotten to avoiding the landmines well enough yet

Yannis Rizos

> I am unable to receive proper answers due to random people disliking my question for no reason.

Yes. It's always someone else's fault.

Telastyn

"proper"

user41796

13:46

@YannisRizos random someones

user41796

Clearly not literate, experienced SE denizens who couldn't make heads or tails out of the garbage that had been spewed forth. It's only the random people who down vote.

Yannis Rizos

@RobertHarvey You might want to look at sass/less. They take away many of the pains of working with css.

user55340

Oh, random bit since @YannisRizos is about. There is a really strange / amusing music video about Germans and the Greek finance minister.

Yannis Rizos

I think "really strange" would describe all varoufakis videos.

user55340

V for Varoufakis

enderland

13:56

well, I have an actual cubicle office here... that's sweet after an open office environment...

user114359

The only people who like open offices are the CEOs in cushy corner offices who push the idea on the rest of the company.

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enderland

@Snowman someone told me, "not sure if this will be quiet enough with some collaboration space behind you" and I thought to myself... "as compared with my ENTIRE TEAM being within 10 feet of me? I'm pretty sure it'll be quiet"

Telastyn

our CEO is in the open office here. I wish he had a cushy corner office...

ratchet freak

@Telastyn many loud conference calls?

user114359

I am fine with having open areas mixed in, or having enough conference rooms with whiteboards and projectors/TVs.

user55340

13:59

Our ceo works in a very nice office... In another building. But, thems the perks of being governor.

user114359

I don't like hearing every conversation, everyone eating, visual and audible distractions

user41796

@MichaelT And he runs the risks of being fired every 4 years

user55340

Or getting promoted.

enderland

@GlenH7 well every 4 years is much less often than all of us at-will folks ;)

Robert Harvey

If you're setting up an ASP.NET MVC site with a service provider, is it important to have a static IP? ($2 per month extra for static ip)

Telastyn

14:00

@ratchetfreak - kinda. the thing is, he's an exceptionally loud talker, so the office would only buffer the noise.

user55340

I'd go for the extra $2.

Telastyn

I concur.

user55340

Let's you do practical DNS things.

user114359

Is there ever a reason to compare two pointers for anything other than equality?

user114359

9

Q: Is there any case when "ptr1 - ptr2 > 0" would differ from "ptr1 > ptr2"?

Assuming the two pointers of the same type point within the same array (or the same object) so that both subtraction of two pointers and comparison are valid... is there any case where if(ptr1 - ptr2 > 0) would behave differently from if(ptr1 > ptr2) or are they at all times equivalent?

ratchet freak

14:02

quick sorting an array using pointers as iterators

user114359

Makes sense. In all my years I have never had to do that, but I have also not reinvented standard library code for sorting either.

ratchet freak

or checking if memmove needs to start from the beginning or the end

user55340

14:16

Looked at community advert stats. Green > Amber.

user55340

Note they are also the #1 and #2 most frequent clicks (124, 101)

user55340

CS.se is number three at 92. Then scip at 77.

Telastyn

14:30

wsj.com/articles/…

we do stuff like that here, but I'm not sure it's beneficial

can lead to a lot of buck passing.

though it is nice that I can query the entire company's revenue stream at my leisure.

Robert Harvey

14:49

How to get noticed by important people

user55340

Tip #42 how to get noticed. Invite them to the whiteboard.

ratchet freak

@MichaelT make sure jimmyHoffa is offline first though

durron597

@YannisRizos Also fwiw I created a tag wiki for ip if you want to review it.

user114359

I just reviewed both of your tag wiki edits

Telastyn

@RobertHarvey - ...or "How to kiss ass via twitter."

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durron597

14:56

@Snowman Both?

Yannis Rizos

@durron597 I don't see it.

user114359

@durron597 thanks for getting me closer to another badge!

Robert Harvey

Believe it or not, that's the most substantial article I've seen on The Muse. Most of them are really fluffy pieces.

durron597

Does editing the excerpt and the main body count as separate edits?

user55340

Yes

user114359

14:58

@durron597 appears so: programmers.stackexchange.com/tags/ip/info

user114359

tag wikis are one thing I have not done much with. I guess in my mind the tag name itself is all I need.

Robert Harvey

Example of a well-utilized tag wiki: stackoverflow.com/tags/php/info

@Telastyn You mean there are other useful things you can do with Twitter?

ratchet freak

@RobertHarvey you can follow @Big_Ben_clock and get a (BONG){1,12} every hour

Robert Harvey

You mean there are other... things you can do with Twitter (useful or not)?

user114359

I guess formatting doesn't work the same here... my point is I have yet to find anything useful about twitter

Robert Harvey

15:07

@ratchetfreak [sigh]

Telastyn

@RobertHarvey - I have no idea, having twitter would mean I would have to interact with humanity.

user15026

I mostly use twitter to say more gamer-related and random crap than my Facebook which is like my carefully curated happiness zone because family and so on.

user15026

Twitter is my "I am a nerd about things in short statements" place.

user55340

15:24

it-policy

user114359

@MichaelT Kill it with fire.

durron597

16:12

@YannisRizos ooh mythology.se

user55340

@durron597 @YannisRizos is a myth. Just like the other three riders of closed questions.

durron597

@MichaelT gnat is not a myth, he is ubiquitous

i see him in all questions

user55340

And where is your Jeff @durron597 huh? I don't believe he exists.

durron597

16:29

user55340

16:42

Oded is a myth too.

user55340

21

Q: Code Explanation Formatter

Successful code golf submissions are, by nature, filled with crazy symbols all over the place. To make their submission easier to understand, many code-golfers choose to include an explanation of their code. In their explanation, the line of code is turned into a vertically exploded diagram. ...

code-golf

StackMonkey

17:13

I think you should enjoy programmers.stackexchange.com for this type of questions (you've got many questions, I see). stackoverflow.com stands for more like for coding problems not conceptual questions/problems. — Andritchi Alexei 54 secs ago

MetaFight

17:33

When a programmer tells me they've done something "clever" alarm bells start sounding.

0

Q: When should one create a new py-function rather than tweaking another one?

Me and a co-developer are arguing when it's clever to cast a new function rather than tweaking another one. By tweaking I mean an option or a hidden check in an existing function. The question could be rephrased: How new/different should a new function be? In the concrete case, it's about a stri...

python code-quality functions

user114359

@MetaFight See the fourth point in my answer. I think I was... clever... by coming up with "Clever ideas grow into technical debt."

user114359

I imagined a "clever" seed growing into a garbage tree.

whatsisname

17:53

programmers.stackexchange.com/a/279686/6644 answer and user needs to be 86'd

durron597

15k needs to protect that question, too.

Robert Harvey

Already done.

user41796

needs more spammy flags to burn it

user114359

So close to 10k... don't want to burn -1 rep right now. But have fun burying it!

user41796

@Snowman spam flags don't cost you anything and hasten the posts death

user114359

18:06

@GlenH7 I flagged it but I noticed it is at -11 now, it was sinking before my eyes.

user41796

And could I get a few extra VTC's on this question please? programmers.stackexchange.com/q/272889/53019 If you're 10k+ you'll see that the OP is just on a fishing expedition to have someone tell them they are "right."

durron597

I should probably VTC this as opinion based: the question asker is asking for "why did the developers of XYZ library do ABC", which can only be answered by the developers of XYZ library. I can make an educated guess... but it would be only that, a guess.

0

A: In PrintWriter, why doesn't the print() function also auto-flush?

I suspect it's because the Java authors are making assumptions about performance: Consider the following code: public static void printArray(int[] array, PrintWriter writer) { for(int i = 0; i < array.length; i++) { writer.print(array[i]); if(i != array.length - 1) writer.pr...

thoughts?

user114359

@durron597 I really want to add a comment "citation needed" to your answer

user114359

which just proves your point about VTC

StackMonkey

@AndritchiAlexei see above ^^^. Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 1 min ago

user114359

18:16

Why is Duga now a monkey?

durron597

@Snowman I was wrong about there being a lack of citation, see my edit

user41796

@Snowman The server hosting Duga fell ill and went off-line. rolfl brought StackMonkey on-line in the interim.

user114359

@durron597 looks good. I agree that would be the likely explanation, but as you said... nobody can really answer without backing it up from whomever designed that library.

user114359

@GlenH7 ah, makes sense. I was trying to figure out if Duga evolved.

durron597

Apr 17 at 0:29, by rolfl

so, I will be reviving Duga in the interim as the user @StackMonkey

user41796

18:22

@durron597 That's the broader point of SRP at work. You shouldn't have to worry about a flush. Let the OS deal with that unless you're in an exceptional circumstance

durron597

@GlenH7 Well, one important place where I worry about a flush is to make sure to flush my Loggers at system exit

user41796

Sure, but that's an exceptional case, not mainpath

durron597

> As mentioned previously, if immediateFlush is set to 'false' and if appenders are not closed properly when your application exits, then logging events not yet written to disk may be lost.

logback.qos.ch/manual/encoders.html

user114359

For something as low level as I/O, where micro-optimizations make sense, I think I am okay with that

user41796

It's one of the things I dislike seeing in poorly thought out libraries. If I have to remember to do A and B and C in order to take care of task "Foo" then you ought to roll A, B, and C into doFoo()

durron597

18:25

well, how often are you writing a method to properly close your libaries on system exit?

system exit only occurs once in an application's lifetime ;)

user114359

Oh wait, this is about PrintWriter in general, not System.out specifically... yeah that changes it (yes I know System.out is a PrintWriter)

durron597

(I'm agreeing with you, if that wasn't obvious)

user41796

I'm refactoring some code where the other authors thought it was okay to expect upstream callers to have to know to do A, B, and C. And I'm just shaking my head at the code

user41796

Y U MAK ME TINK SO MUSH?!

durron597

@GlenH7 DOES YOUR DISHWASHER HAVE A HEAT WATER BUTTON AND A WATER VALVE?

@GlenH7 DOES YOUR FREEZER HAVE A COMPRESS FREON BUTTON? I DIDN'T THINK SO!!!

user41796

18:30

My dishwasher does have a high heat setting. But I'll assume that leaving that off meant it would still heat the water up

durron597

@GlenH7 That's a constructor parameter though, not a "please call method A before method B kthxbai"

Telastyn

18:44

temporal coupling is bad mmmkay.

durron597

I always feel dumb when I work really hard on an answer that somewhere in the back of my mind I know will get no views or votes

i'm trying to increase my tag score in guice but sometimes the questions are really old

i want my top tags to be meaningful things but instead they're like string and class

user55340

Compare dwarfs to the naked mole rat. And now you know where the women are.

Telastyn

object-oriented C# design-patterns design unit-testing

yup, seems about right

my top tag on the workplace is professionalism. HAH!

user114359

19:06

@MichaelT eh?

user55340

19:27

Naked mole-rat

The naked mole-rat (Heterocephalus glaber) also known as the sand puppy or desert mole rat, is a burrowing rodent native to parts of East Africa and is the only species currently classified in the genus Heterocephalus. The naked mole-rat and the Damaraland mole-rat are the only known eusocial mammals. It has a highly unusual set of physical traits that enable it to thrive in an otherwise harsh underground environment; it is the only mammalian thermoconformer, has a lack of pain sensation in its skin, and has very low metabolic and respiratory rates. It is also remarkable for its resistance to cancer...

user55340

tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dwarf-women

enderland

must be a slow monday...

user55340

> Dwarf-women were few among the Dwarves, kept in secret, and were seldom seen by other races.

user114359

Ah, I get it now. I was curious about the random comment.

durron597

I'm really having trouble following this conversation.

user114359

19:30

This part is scary: "All Dwarves had beards from the beginning of their lives." Women are, of course, included in "all"

durron597

If you cover up the usernames it reads like the ramblings of a cokehead with a severe case of ADHD

user55340

The problem with mobile chat - so do I. My comments become more "shower thoughts "

user114359

@MichaelT I think it is best that we keep "things we think about in the shower" to ourselves :-P

user55340

@Snowman plot twist - half the party in the Hobbit are women.

durron597

@Snowman "Dammit, I forgot to buy shampoo again"

user55340

19:40

@durron597 shave your head then?

durron597

@MichaelT random++

user114359

@durron597 I prefer ++random so there is no creation of an unused temporary

user55340

@Snowman in the shower: "I'm melting!"

user114359

19:57

durron597

Lava Poured on Ice

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enderland

20:09

do you guys have a dup of this? workplace.stackexchange.com/q/44433/2322

or is that even on topic? it's awfully programming specific

user114359

Dupe or not, it is off-topic as career/education advice

user114359

"In the current job market, is an entry-level software dev job the best I can hope for?" is specific to the time, place, and personal situation of the asker.

user114359

0

Q: How much weight is given to self-taught programming skills?

I was an "IT drone" for about 14 years (tech support, then systems admin). I taught myself how to program, at first just to automate some of my work, then later producing some in-house applications used by regular users in my organization. So by the end of 2013, I had about 7 years of self-taug...

software-industry career-switch

user114359

Is it on-topic at workplace?

enderland

not really, but it'll get answers

user114359

20:14

I can answer it

user114359

I was actually in a very similar situation myself

enderland

It's also a soft duplicate of a few other posts

user114359

if you are going to close it I won't bother, otherwise I'll take the effort to get some rep :-)

enderland

I want it to be closed

It's also kind of a "woe is me" story

user114359

Reading the help center it seems on-topic even if on the edge, but I am not familiar with your criteria for how specific a question can be... "this market at this time" would be my main concern

user114359

20:17

Seems like you could edit that crap out and make it more objective: will tech employers consider experience prior to obtaining a degree?

user114359

which I can answer "yes" because I went through that too, and was involved in hiring at one employer that hired other developers in that position.

enderland

Yeah

Telastyn

yeah, seems like it might need a little massaging.

enderland

It kinda seems like he should have thought to ask this question before doing a 4-year degree

Telastyn

I kinda expect he knew the answer, hence the 4 year degree.

enderland

20:21

Though I've thought about similarly doing that, I think someone with a few years experience could find crazy amounts of value in having the theory/etc taught for comp sci but meh, that'd cost a ton of money

Telastyn

I've found very little value in going back for my degree so far.

enderland

really?

Telastyn

I could've taught half of the courses.

enderland

I suppose there is that

though, he also does describe himself as

> although I would not really say I was a "good" programmer at that point

Telastyn

yeah

I had... what? 15 years of self-taught and 5 of professional before going back for my degree.

little less

still.

rolfl

20:24

How did you do that..... like... seriously... how do you get back in to the "I'm a student now" mode?

I would consider going back to uni for a math degree.... but, at 42... feel too entrenched in real life... with real kids, a real mortgage, etc.

user15026

I am kinda tempted to go back to school for you know, stuff I can actually hope to get a job in. Although it would be college, not uni again

user114359

I went back for an M.S., it sucked. I actually just applied for a doctorate, but am thinking about abandoning that. I want to experience life.

user114359

During my B.S. program I was working full time and taking 12-18 hours of classes each semester and raising children. I saw my family on weekends.

Telastyn

@rolfl - umm, dunno. I don't have too much of a life to be entrenched in. My company reimbursed 100%, so there wasn't the financial burden. No kids, so less time obligation there. I just spent 1 night a week listening to a professor tell n00bs what a binary tree was.

rolfl

I guess I should down-scale my expectations ... I won't be able to enroll full-time and get a 3 year degree in 3 years.... ;-)

enderland

20:29

@rolfl try getting your company to pay for it -- and you while you take 3 years off :)

Telastyn

yeah, I'm on year 4 now, with like 5 more years to go - and I transferred in ~60 credit hours.

rolfl

Hey, for all I know, IBM may do that....

enderland

I suggested that based on your current employer

rolfl

Think I should ask for living expenses too

enderland

why not

;)

user114359

20:31

Can someone please translate this question for me?

user114359

0

Q: C tcp server; connected client data structure

So i was questionning myself on this: How does C server maintain a list of connected client IE: I am identified on the server via a handle : Client1, I would like to send a message to Client2 I wonder what kind of data structure would one associate the file descriptor with the connected client?...

c data-structures server tcp

rolfl

translate: C tcp server; connected client data structure

(from English) C tcp server; connected client data structure

yup.

durron597

If I am out of close votes and I make a comment that says "Possible duplicate of [question]" does that put it into the CV queue (without a vote from me)?

rolfl

Nope. Close vote review queue requires close vote (or flag from lower-rep users).

user114359

@durron597 or wait 3.5 hours

rolfl

20:35

Stack Monkey, Y So Slow?

in Duga's Playground, 1 min ago, by StackMonkey

Might be better question for programmers.stackexchange — NESPowerGlove 53 secs ago

durron597

0

Q: Allow marking questions as duplicate even when out of close votes

Now that we have a great UI for allowing people to close their own questions as duplicates, I think we should be able to offer that UI to people even if we are out of close votes. Proposal: if out of close votes, if you click close, allow the user to choose the "duplicate" close reason. This wil...

feature-request vote-to-close exact-duplicates

StackMonkey

This is almost a good question for Programmers.SE but is too broad. With some editing to hone its focus it would be a good candidate for migration. — Snowman 56 secs ago

rolfl

Snowman likes seeing himself StackMonkeyed... ;-)

user114359

What can I say? I like monkeying around.

enderland

wtf Windows, office13 doesn't have a black -- or even a really dark -- theme? :(

durron597

20:45

@MichaelT good point, I edited.

user114359

@enderland this xkcd reminded me of that Workplace.SE question: xkcd.com/1513

enderland

I feel like this guy

xkcd.com/1172/

user114359

@enderland I have had customers ask to reintroduce bugs for various reasons. It is really bad with interfaces: sometimes they code around bugs in data generation, and fixing a bug actually breaks their processing.

enderland

Some things are annoying though

like changing a shortcut from a left-hand only shortcut to a two hand "shortcut" ? wtf is that

user55340

@enderland an emacs coder wrote that part.

user55340

20:55

Escape meta alt control shift.

user114359

you also have to remember that Emacs is an operating system, which is a very complex piece of software.

user55340

@Snowman it just needs a good small editor.

enderland

@MichaelT how about the standard editor?

user55340

ed

enderland

:)

user55340

20:57

You did that wrong. It's ?

user114359

Emacs already has an editor, down the hall on the left. Right next to the bathroom.

user55340

If Google was a Guy

►

whatsisname

5

Q: Demanding and Moody employee

One of my employees in a tech startup is behaving erratically.. we are a small team of about a dozen people working our asses off for launching our apps. Initially he was ok.. working.. trying to learn but now he seems a bit disinterested... some of the problems we are facing with him are: His ...

professionalism management team startup unprofessional-behavior

This guy apparently has chumps for employees

enderland

@whatsisname or people who are willing to ~~slave~~ work a ton

whatsisname

those are basically the same thing

in the context of "the workplace"

It's tempting to post an answer of "don't fire him, because you apparently only hire chumps, and if he is actually able to complete things occasionally, he is clearly in the top echelon of the available chumps out there"

user114359

21:13

@whatsisname the only takeaway I had from that question was "never work at that company." Hint: it involved everyone else working seven days a week, and being concerned that the guy going through a family tragedy might encourage others to work fewer than 100 hours/week.

whatsisname

yeah

no shit

user15026

@whatsisname Wow, that sounds like a terrible company.

GimmeTehRepz

@Snowman No see, you just don't understand. If they can't meet the deadline, they're underperforming.

It has nothing to do with management.

durron597

@GimmeTehRepz Now that sounds like my company.

enderland

who the hell calls into a meeting on speakerphone in a conference room and leaves the door open

whatsisname

21:25

@enderland: I've seen that a few times

enderland

I'm tempted to go over and shut the door but I'm taking off in a short bit so whatver :)

GimmeTehRepz

We had to have an announcement that it wasn't okay to have speakerphone meetings in the cubicles.

whatsisname

although usually it was them just in their office and their door open

GimmeTehRepz

Actually my favorite was when someone managed to connect their phone to the PA system during a conference call.

StackMonkey

Likely, this is overly broad question for SO. Try to ask it on programmers.SE. For general discussion of solutions to fault tolerance, see, e.g., Principles of transaction processing by Bernstein and Newcomer. Good articles: book.mixu.net/distsys and engineering.linkedin.com/distributed-systems/… — Victor Sorokin 11 secs ago

user55340

21:30

Need book suggestions for my latest Safari download.

user15026

What sort of books?

user55340

Any on safari books online.

user55340

Might even get a Lego book for my brother if I can't find any that I want.

durron597

21:47

@MichaelT feel free to edit my post any way you want to make it more appealing

StackMonkey

22:36

@VictorSorokin if it is too broad for SO, it is too broad for Programmers.SE. Furthermore, item 4 in the list is a resource request which is off-topic on both sites. — Snowman 54 secs ago

StackMonkey

22:47

This question is probably better suited for programmers.stackexchange.com — Rick Smith 14 secs ago

user55340

23:17

This is a question of implementation and debugging and should have been posted on Stack Overflow as described in the help center. — MichaelT 6 mins ago

user55340

Yep, but they have me banned there, so I asked here. It's not nice to break past their bans (albeit easy) with proxies and over-annoy them. I have given them enough annoyance for the day. — Margaret Rosa 5 mins ago

user55340

It is also completely off topic here. Question bans are enabled on this site too, and trying to get around a question ban there by posting here will result in one here too. — MichaelT 5 mins ago

user55340

Well, I wouldn't lose anyways; it would just take a few extra seconds to bother you. — Margaret Rosa 4 mins ago

user55340

sigh

user15026

facedesk

Sean Parsons

23:33

Hey guys, I have a question. To tie a REST API for a Point of Sale(POS) System to a front end application requires a database? it uses JSON.

whatsisname

well

not necessarily

likely, but not necessary

database is when you want to store data

Sean Parsons

I'm creating a website for a local deli and I want there to be a way to order online

i just want the order to be sent to the POS so they have the order, price, time etc..

psr

They need a database for the POS (or someone eventually does at any rate), but it sounds like you might not on your end

Sean Parsons

Well, The POS must have some kind of database for all the orders they take a day/week/month

right?

user55340

I've seen these rolls of paper that get tallied up at the end of the night...

user55340

23:40

Most cash registers have an end of day function on them that will do that summary for them. You push the button, it tells you how much should be in the till and how much of what items were sold - on the receipt paper.

Sean Parsons

clover.com/api_docs This is the POS api_docs, im very new to front-end developing I don't even know how I would create a JSON file from some input text fields and selection options etc...

is there a guide anyone knows of?

user55340

clover.com/api_docs#!/orders/CreateOrder looks nicely complex (POS is not a simple thing)

user55340

It looks like you create an order, and then go through and add line items for that order.

user55340

And then once you create the order, put all the line items on it you post a payment to it.

user55340

If you click on the 'Model' (rather than 'Model schema') you can see a description of all the fields.

user55340

23:54

> Order {
total (long, optional): Total price of the order,
state (string, optional),
credits (array[Credit], optional),
currency (string, optional): Currency of this order,
id (string, optional): Unique identifier,
title (string, optional),
testMode (boolean, optional),
discounts (array[Discount], optional),
employee (Reference, optional): The employee who took this order,
lineItems (array[LineItem], optional),
note (string, optional),
clientCreatedTime (long, optional),
orderType (OrderType, optional),

user55340

Their Web API seems to be rather well documented too: clover.com/docs/web-api

StackMonkey

This sounds like it might be a better question for programmers.stackexchange.com ; although you should be sure to read their help to make sure before posting.. — Blorgbeard 58 secs ago

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