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user55340

00:05

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Meta.StackExchange has a nice side bar over when you are on the main 'questions' page. Its great. You can see there is a 'faq' section, its right there when you go to meta, and you can then go and dig into more faqs if you need to. Persite metas don't have this faq sidebar. A new user g...

user55340

I blame caching... its per not pe.

user55340

00:54

btw, I used non-freehand salmon colored... just to see if anyone comments on it (besides @GlenH7)

user55340

Ohh! Neat. When you type a person's name you see the icon!

user55340

user41796

@MichaelT pretty sure that's new. Very cool

user55340

Now I'm seeing little @gnat s all over...

user41796

Swat 'em?

user55340

01:30

Hmm... Its nice to see experts that I didn't expect to see...

user55340

Glenn Randers-Pehrson, N 39.26.30 W 76.16.01 Edgewood, MD

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user55340

> Coauthor of PNG spec, developer/maintainer of libpng. Author of pngcrush. Retired, father of four, grandfather of ten.

user55340

(one of those "I haven't seen that name" when I get a comment...)

user55340

@MichaelT is right about 14 characters. That's the limit stated by Bourne in "The Unix System", 1982. — Glenn Randers-Pehrson 1 min ago

user55340

01:58

Well, tomorrow is going to be another drive around day... probably heading back north to check out some spots I saw there before they go past peak fall colors.

user55340

My car doesn't seem to mind it... driving on US highways and country roads mostly... 55mph. My car gets ~55-60mpg i that range (compared to upper 40s and low 50s for the 65mph for highways).

user55340

Its even better than town driving (too many stops, starts, and changes in acceleration).

user55340

02:14

user55340

So yea... going back there to get photos before they're gone.

Ampt

03:12

@MichaelT that looks gorgeous!

Robert Harvey

03:23

@MichaelT Holy cow... Do you have solar panels on the roof?

Does it look like this?

user55340

03:53

@RobertHarvey honda insight 2010. going 55mph. It's engine runs near ideal at that speed. Combine with cvt for a tad bit more torque when going up hills and the electric assist. As I understand it, if you aren't changing rpm much, you can make very efficient engines.

Ampt

If you can tune your engine to only run at a very specific RPM, you can achieve all sorts of efficiency. Problem starts when you want to do stuff like change speed

MetaFight

10:38

my new favourite fail:

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Q: What's your software development question? Be specific

Are there any books the equivalent of the Effective C++ series or the Effective Java book? book

scala

enderland

13:48

@MichaelT I love it!

Jimmy Hoffa

14:44

I wonder if in the olden days when people had been writing hardcore assembly for years and started hearing all of this fortran this and fortran that, was the reason they thought fortran was nonsense because the people talking about fortran were as clearly confused with the concepts as modern JS/NoSQL folks always are? Perhaps half the problem with newer tech, is they're mostly used by inexperienced people which turns folks off the plausibly good tech

while experienced people were busy cranking stuff out and knowing what they're talking about for 15 years they've no reason to move to the newer stuff so the only people using the newer stuff are folks who, like this fellow here, seems to have gotten so confused by node.js that he thinks JavaScript itself is an asynchronous IO language

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Q: TypeScript with NodeJS or Go for easy development of a heavy I/O-bound application server

I'm working on a new web application, which would mostly forward and route traffic towards databases and other servers, who would than do the heavy lifting with logic, ... Initial idea was to implement it in TypeScript because of JavaScript's async I/O, TypeScripts static typing (the compiler ca...

web-development web-applications node.js go typescript

user55340

15:46

Read a post somewhere out there that was "Calling a Database a NoSQL is like calling a car NoSedan"

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Jimmy Hoffa

16:24

prefix notation JavaScript for the fun: jisp.io

Is a fun thing to play with just generates normal javascript from a stupidly simple lisp that's very 1 to 1 with JavaScript, acting more like a sugar over JavaScript. Is fun if you already know JavaScript

user55340

16:39

Lets Stop Saying "NoSQL"

user55340

And and there's MySQL 5.7 - HTTP Plugin for MySQL -- so now MySQL can serve JSON via http requests intended to be coming from the client rather than going through php or some other layer.

user55340

... now you can do your SQL injections directly!

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT no, it uses JSON, now they're NoSQL injections

psr

@MichaelT Though if you take that job you won't be using a "No PHP" language most of the time.

user55340

16:43

shell> # curl -X DELETE -i --user basic_auth_user:basic_auth_passwd --url "http://127.0.0.1:8080/doc/db/another_table/"
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
...
{"info": "Table dropped"}

user55340

If that doesn't make you a little wary...

user41796

16:59

> I'm going to migrate this question off PSE to MSDN because apparently I admitted to being in a satanic cult when I said the "Microsoft". Thanks for the reply. It has been noted. – hlyates 20 mins ago

user41796

^^^ Guilty conscience?

user55340

@GlenH7 I'm going more with 'doesn't realize we say the same things about people asking for red hat support, mac os support, mathematic support, etc... and thinks we're picking on him/microsoft'

user41796

Quite likely. I just found it to be an overly defensive comment.

Ampt

17:50

Overly defensive comments are like the icing on the cake though

without them, how can you be sure you're doing your job properly

user41796

@Ampt True; it was a missed opportunity for snark

user55340

@GlenH7 @gnat that xkcd comic post has hit its 2 days... needs a total of 4 delete votes.

user55340

(its also sitting at 4 reopen votes... though its gotten kicked out of the queue programmers.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/78208 - so unless we want to go through another open/close round...)

user41796

Let's put some downvotes on it, that'll cut into the number of delete vote required

user41796

@amon - sorry about the DV BTW. But the question needs to die. :-)

whatsisname

18:04

@JimmyHoffa: I don't think it's so much an old tech/new tech dynamic

err I'll continue in a few minutes bbl

k back

I think the dynamic isn't so much old vs new but "harder" vs "easier"

there is somewhat a sense of superiority I think, from people that work real close to the metal

and it is a lot easier going from assembly to javascript than the other way around

so people that don't work beyond JS are viewed essentially as amatures

as a grouchy guy that works close to the metal and does high-level stuff, it's not so much node.js that makes me suspicious

but of developers that write these insanely complicated asynchronous, hard to maintain and understand programs

when ultimately node.js is a single thread and you're not really doing yourself any favors

user41796

@whatsisname BUT LOOK! It's asynchronous! Can't you SEE THE POWER?!?! It's almost Science!

whatsisname

well asynchronous has its benefits

but many of the users of node.js would benefit from being forced to write some programs around select() or simialr

user55340

18:20

@GlenH7 mine's already there... though 4 to 3 is quite a few more down votes than one typically sees... and 3 is the minimum.

user41796

Never mind me, I'm just trying to make up for missed snark opportunities

whatsisname

lol

user55340

MSE pimping:

user55340

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Q: FAQ sidebar for per site metas

Meta.StackExchange has a nice side bar over when you are on the main page (the one you hit when you go to the 'meta' link, not the 'questions' tab). Its great. You can see there is a 'faq' section, its right there when you go to meta, and you can then go and dig into more faqs if you need...

feature-request per-site-meta sidebar faqs

whatsisname

cue xtranormal mongodb video here

user41796

18:21

@whatsisname exactly

user55340

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Jimmy Hoffa

19:22

@whatsisname I'm just pondering based on my observation that javascript is a perfectly fine language, but a large portion of the people writing it tend to be far more frequently the amateur lower skill level folks... Maybe you pinned it, newer stuff is often easier, which is why they made it (why make new stuff that's harder than what you already have?) and so it attracts these developers a rung worse than who's there which feeds their get-off-my-lawn persona that had them telling people fortran

should piss right off

(right now? that was a bizarre statement)

whatsisname

I think "javascript is a perfectly fine language" is crazy talk

user41796

@JimmyHoffa Was kind of wondering what you were getting at...

user15026

@JimmyHoffa I saw that in the chat sidebar without context, and I was a little lost.

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname :P

whatsisname

and web stuff isn't necessarily 'easier' than talking to the hardware

user41796

19:24

@whatsisname Do keep in mind that he evangelizes Haskell. So you could argue he's a bit soft in the head. :-)

whatsisname

maintaining web configurations and moving databases around keeping sites live while updating is an enormous hassle

but the barrier to entry is a lot lower

you don't need an oscilloscope to debug your javascript programs

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname I'm just looking for an explanation of the get-off-my-lawn pattern: Person 1 learns thing and becomes good at it, person 2 10 years later learns new thing and person 1 sees person 2 doing a shitty job because they've no experience, person 1 now blames person 2's new thing for being shitty rather than person 2's lack of experience

whatsisname

yeah I can see that

user15026

@MetaFight ...that title.

Phrancis

19:55

Hey, Phrancis here from Code Review. Have you all heard the news?

whatsisname

WWII is over?

Phrancis

in The 2nd Monitor, 36 mins ago, by Simon André Forsberg

Perhaps what is even more important is: We beat PCG!

Code Review graduated :D

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Jimmy Hoffa

@Phrancis congrats! Always been a fan of CodeReview

Phrancis

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Q: Code Review Graduation

I am pleased to announce that effective from September 22, Code Review Graduated! It has taken a bit of time for this announcement to filter through the red tape, so, today is the day we found out. Let's use this as a place to discuss, celebrate, and otherwise commiserate. Notes: Code Review i...

discussion featured beta-progress

So, now I need to find a good beer to celebrate with, I figured I'd come here and ask the experts ;-)

user41796

@Phrancis I'm fond of Russian Imperial Stouts for occasions like these.

user41796

20:01

But there's something to be said for a really good glass of scotch or whiskey too

user41796

And this means we can make CR an official migration target. ;-)

amon

@JimmyHoffa There are a couple of unanswered Haskell questions, if you're up for the challenge :)

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis Looks funny when that is pinned, looks like Programmers is the one that is graduating :)

user41796

@SimonAndréForsberg And we have surprisingly few mods in the room to fix that. Normally every other line comes from someone blue.

enderland

lurks

user41796

20:05

@enderland Go fix the "We Graduated" to "Code Review Graduated" please

enderland

:)

user41796

gracias, senor

user41796

And I think we could kill the entire afternoon picking good beers or other booze with which to celebrate

enderland

I'm home from work today anyways!

user41796

user15026

20:07

@GlenH7 Probably. :P

Simon André Forsberg

@GlenH7 good, finally I can star it :)

user41796

That's the best I could do with one-boxing. Had that one recently. Clocks in North of 11% abv. It's a barley wine and quite tasty IMO

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Phrancis

Oh and we are trying to make this post made by one of our mods a hot network question. If you can spare a few upvotes :)

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Q: Celebratory fireworks animation

To celebrate an important event, I hastily cobbled together an HTML canvas-based animation. A few concerns I have include: Performance: Does it run reasonably smoothly on most modern machines? How can I make it more efficient? Portability / Compatibility: Does it work correctly on all modern ...

javascript jquery performance stackexchange physics

user41796

Is also quite tasty. Note that you pour it differently than a CO2 beer.

user41796

20:14

@Phrancis To really crank it on to the hot network queue, you need a lot more answers

user41796

Get up to 10 answers on there to really rocket it to the top

enderland

I think you guys have different thresholds for that than other sites, too, if I remember right

Phrancis

That's gonna be tough. But we pretty regularly get on hot network questions with just an answer or two (which is really about as much as a question normally does)

user41796

@enderland Oh, that's a good point. That's because CR is supposed to have multiple answers. Or was that for CW status (which is now dead)

enderland

I think the questino votes/views are probably same criteria?

Phrancis

20:16

Someone wrote a FizzBuzz in lolcode and that got on hot network questions lol...

user41796

views are effectively worthless in the scoring

user15026

@GlenH7 i've had nitro stuff on tap, but never in a bottle like that.

Phrancis

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Q: Down with FizzBuzz... LOL

This post is the result of reading through and following the LOLCODE Specification 1.2, and writing and executing my code on compileonline.com. My "hello world" was going to be a fizzbuzz. I like it because it nicely illustrates the basics of a language - variables, operators, looping, condition...

beginner fizzbuzz lolcode

user41796

See here, but the relevant bit is AnswerCount * Qscore is used as one of the prime factors

user41796

So even 2 or 3 more answers will really rocket the question up since it has +19 at the moment

user41796

20:20

@AshleyNunn I have a bottle left and will try pouring it tonight as their video suggested. I didn't realize that it was different until hunting down that image.

user41796

Quite tasty though

enderland

@Phrancis this is painful

Phrancis

No kidding.

amon

@enderland O RLY? YA RLY LolCode R "painful" OIC BTW ;-)

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Jimmy Hoffa

@amon I like Haskell, I've bit off maybe a sixth of the language and that's been more than enough to make me full for a long time. As much as I wish I could say I truly were a Haskeller, the honest fact is my skills in that arena are a shadow of the actual people who know it. It's been just enough to make me better at everything else I do...

enderland

20:25

the top two pinned ones need to be in the other order

ha

user41796

@enderland I thought pins were supposed to be ordered by count

enderland

@GlenH7 I think it still sorts pins based on recent starrings

so if someone new stars the CR graduated one it'll go to the top

user41796

Or we could just get rid of amon's message and solve the problem.... :-)

enderland

YA RLY

amon

@GlenH7 don't you dare to suggest deleting another of my posts ;-) (Well, gnat protected the Xkcd thingy, so the delete votes seem to have disappeared)

user41796

20:32

@amon You could always claim "room owner abuse"

user41796

@amon It re-opened, that's why the delete votes disappeared

enderland

I just realized the best idea ever. Most software interviews want to do fizzbuzz right? And normally say "whatever language you want" - why not memorize the LOLcode style to drop that out in an interview??????

whatsisname

if by most you mean a small segment of interviews

enderland

details, details

amon

@JimmyHoffa Oh, I understand completely. I'm still digesting that small bite of monads I took ~2 year ago from Learn You A Haskell.

This seems to be the bane of awesome languages: Learning {Lisp, Smalltalk, Haskell, …} will make you a better programmer, but you don't actually want to suffer through the {Parentheses, Lack of operators, CS PhD, …}

Jimmy Hoffa

20:41

@amon half of it is when I talk to the people who really know this stuff, they make me feel like there's some entire world of stuff that I don't know just because they know wayyyy too much {CS PhD...} so I feel really unconfident in my skills on that regard. I don't get that feeling ever in talking to .NET or Java or other normal industry folk...

amon

@Jimmy To a newbie, even “normal” communities can be intimidating. “Oh yeah, simply use the Bridge Pattern so that Dependency Injection can take care of Unit Testing the Lambda, but don't increase the Liskov Principle beyond 55% or your ASP7.HELL controller will flip-flop through the Assembler” (← random technobabble)

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whatsisname

Hey guys I'm thinking of doing a thesis on Dynamic Linking and the social, and ethical impacts along with the technological side of it.

user41796

@whatsisname Well played

whatsisname

seems unwise to write a thesis on a subject you don't have at least a rudimentary understanding of

user41796

Ya think?

whatsisname

20:53

Hey guys, I'm going to write a thesis on the social impacts of Volcanic Eruptions. So I was wondering if anyone could lead me in the right direction of building up my way to understand the full scope of where some volcanoes are and their history.

user41796

I think you missed the bit about building some toy volcanoes as part of your high school science fair projects. And I think I just proved Amon's point about communities seeming intimidating...

whatsisname

yeah

"My professor said he has been to a volcano and it sounded interesting"

enderland

course now you can just respond, LMGTFY

whatsisname

he does have a point, but I think if this was day 2 of stack exchange that question would still get punished

user41796

@whatsisname Your comment on that DLL question is beautifully obscure. It makes sense if you understand both fields, but is incomprehensible otherwise.

whatsisname

20:57

if someone can't understand that scenario they are hopeless

like owning a car but not knowing how to pump gas

psr

@whatsisname Can't decide if it's trolling.

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname I once bought a car, and went to get gas on my way home, only to realize after pulling up to the pump that I had no idea how to open the gas door. There was no lever, there was no pulling it open as it had some catch inside....somebody pulled up behind me with a similar car and I watched them push on the little gas tank door and it sprang open....was new to me. I felt unbelievably stupid.

whatsisname

lol

Jimmy Hoffa

to be fair every car I'd had up to that point had a little lever next to the drivers seat that opened it

and I'd just spent like 3 hours filling out paper work, so I was mushy brained to begin with by then

whatsisname

yeah, and you would have probably figured it out after a few moments

rather than giving up and calling someone or something

Jimmy Hoffa

21:09

unlikely, if nobody pulled up with a similar car I suspect I would have just driven until it ran out of gas then called triple A and sworn up and down I didn't know my subscription was expired. True story. I'm really not as bright as people give me credit for.

whatsisname

lol

well, I know someone that's had her car for a long time and still doesn't know what to do, and has run out of gas multiple times as a result of it

She is completely hopeless in life and she's probably going to get someone killed before long

user15026

@whatsisname If you live near/work near fullserve stations, or in a place where that is all there is, you might not learn

user15026

If I recall right, aren't there states where you can't pump your own?

whatsisname

i suppose

psr

@AshleyNunn If the gas is opened from inside the car the driver still has to do it.

whatsisname

21:14

okay I take back the comment for people in those states

but for people in MN, the insult applies

user15026

@psr Open it, or pump it?

Ampt

Ok, so if I want to take a tomcat server and turn it into a tomcat web application, the stuff in server.xml would become a context, right?

I'm sure it's not a 1 to 1 mapping, but they should be analogous, only one is per tomcat server, and one is per tomcat web app if I'm understanding this correctly

psr

@AshleyNunn The driver has to open it so that the attendant can pump it.

user15026

@psr Ah, yeah, but they're still not pumping the gas.

Jimmy Hoffa

@AshleyNunn first glance I read still not 'pumpkin gas' which sounds like a spectacular way to run cars. My kid made me watch nightmare before xmas 3 times this weekend....

user15026

21:19

@JimmyHoffa Well, we have pumpkin everything else right now, so why not

Ampt

Pumpkin Gas? Imagine all those high school girls who won't even.

Matt S.

Try it in a diesel engine, it would probably run.

Ampt

There's not much a diesel engine won't run on

Matt S.

Not hopes or dreams :(

user15026

What about tears or sadness?

user41796

21:26

@AshleyNunn With the right microbes that can be converted into diesel.

enderland

only tears of your enemies, crushed beneath your feet

haha

user15026

@GlenH7 Perfect, I will start saving mine up now

whatsisname

depends on the auto ignition temperature of your fuel

user15026

Well, this is all theoretical, as I lack a car

Matt S.

Would the salt from tears clog up the fuel lines you think?

user15026

21:33

Good question.

whatsisname

not much energy in tears

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname that depends how you made the person cry....

amon

21:48

“Opinions on careers in mainframe systems?” - that title is the definition for off-topic.

Jimmy Hoffa

@amon ....I just skimmed a code review Haskell post and didn't look particularly closely, went back just now to think about reading it in detail and answering, realized I wrote it almost 2 years ago....

Phrancis

Nice lol..

Jimmy Hoffa

I blame insomnia. Woke up at 3:45 this morning and couldn't fall back asleep (until of course I'm driving into the office at 7:30, then it was everything I could do not to fall asleep of course O_O)

amon

Well, I ended up answering my only CR question myself. Incidentally, it involved Monads, but I was trying to shove them into Java.

Jimmy Hoffa

@amon that's always the problem with this stuff, as soon as you start carrying it into any non-fp language, short of the lipperts you'll find no one has any idea what the hell you're talking about

whatsisname

22:00

very few developers really work on that sort of stuff in any detail

most people spend most of their time programming rules that dictate that form 102-A must be included with form 23 and schedule R when in AZ, NY, and FL

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname do not remind me of the mortgage origination software I used to work on, I will cut you

Phrancis

Well nice to hang out with you guys for a while, thanks again for the congratulations, we're all excited about this :D

whatsisname

your cutting must be accompanied by a form K-27D

Phrancis

And now it's TTQW!

(Time To Quit Work)

ratchet freak

22:31

@amon talking about CR.SE my own question just doesn't get any response :(

Robert Harvey

23:03

@ratchetfreak What did your profiler say? Did it uncover any hot spots?

ratchet freak

I'll admit I don't really use a profiler...

every time I try to set one up something comes up...

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