The Whiteboard

Jimmy Hoffa

4:07 PM

...I am totally not going to get the reopen. O well, was worth a shot.

Matt D

:)

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Its at +3 reopen...

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT But more importantly, you didn't get your way and I still haven't used any CVs today!

user55340

And I don't see any reopen reviews for it - so it either hasn't hit the queue yet or no one has done one.

user55340

programmers.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/40694 is the most recent reopen review done - 15h ago.

user55340

4:10 PM

Once it hits the queue, it could very well get the 2 more it needs.

Jimmy Hoffa

Why is this in the close queue? I realize it's not a great question or anything, but it's perfectly on topic, not-subjective, has a simpler correct answer.... ?

-2

Q: Why does HashMap allow only one null key?

A HashMap allows only one null key. Is it because it allows only unique keys? Or there is another reason. I feel like it is confusing.

user55340

Unclear what the real question / problem is - where the confusion exists.

user55340

Related HashMap null key. Food for thought - how do you distinguish two 'different' nulls? What does two different nulls mean? — MichaelT Sep 23 at 18:43

Jimmy Hoffa

with 4 close votes, it's going to be closed. But that kind of perplexes me, so the guy didn't do a ton of research but it's not a difficult question so it hardly merits it, and he actually did enough thinking to identify the answer directly in his question so he did enough research to find the answer

user55340

What's confusing about it? A hash is a key/value pair. You use the key to look up the value. If you have multiple of the same key, how do you know which one to grab to get the value? Thus, if NULL is a key, and you can use it to look up a value, how do you expect to look up a value if there are multiple NULL keys? — kenzietech Sep 23 at 20:07

user55340

4:16 PM

The OP just says "its confusing" but doesn't elaborate on what he is confused about other than is confused in general. No code sample to demonstrate the confusion or the 'why does this work?'

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT If you ignore the odd parts, I think this right here merits staying open as a simple honest question that can be answered by concepts rather than by specific implementation (this isn't java specific):

> A HashMap allows only one null key. Is it because it allows only unique keys?

You could write a simple good answer of "Yes it's because it allows only unique keys, --" then elaborate a paragraph on some details about how hashmaps work and voila decent answer to a simple question

There, removed the "It's confusing" because that's not relevant to his question.

user55340

String bar = null;
Object qux = null;
HashMap foo = new HashMap();
foo.put(bar,"bar");
foo.put(qux,"qux");
foo.get(bar); // returns qux?

user55340

See, if we had something like that, then we could explain it...

user55340

There's also some danger in there. only the HashMap allows a null. The Map interface doesn't state that, and TreeMap and SkipListMap don't allow nulls (how do they sort?).

user55340

But, all we've got is "I'm confused"

user55340

4:21 PM

More on that Map interface - docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/Map.html

user55340

> Some map implementations have restrictions on the keys and values they may contain. For example, some implementations prohibit null keys and values, and some have restrictions on the types of their keys. Attempting to insert an ineligible key or value throws an unchecked exception, typically NullPointerException or ClassCastException.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT I guess I was taking it as less Java relevant and just basing it off the generic concept of a HashMap for which the explanation is pretty simple. Ignore the java specifics and there's nothing wrong with the question, if he's asking about java specifics I'd say it belongs on SO anyway then..

Matt D

night folks

user55340

@JimmyHoffa its tagged java... and it would be minimal understanding / unclear on SO. It can be a P.SE question if its about the type system in java.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MattD Take it easy Matt

user55340

4:24 PM

(and whee! +20 rep on SO from migration!)

Yannis Rizos

5:16 PM

> If you really want a small, EL&U sized site with (on average) more interesting questions, check out Programmers. Forget about its long-abandoned "fluffy question" past; it's actually pretty close to what you're after, and the community there is fairly hard-core about keeping it that way.

2

Jimmy Hoffa

5:52 PM

+1 for pimping P.SE, all the reasons this question scares up are the same ones I had when I stumbled across P.SE, and why I basically setup shop and stopped participating in SO. — Jimmy Hoffa 1 min ago

2

Yannis Rizos

Functional programming combines the flexibility and power of abstract mathematics with the intuitive clarity of abstract mathematics.

2

Jimmy Hoffa

+1 for the tooltip.

Yannis Rizos

Yeah, the tooltip is always better than the comic.

user41796

Is the weekend here yet? And for those in the future, can you tell us if it's shaping up to be a good weekend?

2

enderland

@GlenH7 we do a conf call for self development in the afternoons on fridays

WIN

user41796

6:04 PM

@enderland color me jealous

enderland

@GlenH7 we... set it up ourselves

user41796

I shouldn't complain as I have a high degree of autonomy in my work. But as Joe Walsh said so well: "I can't complain, but sometimes I still do."

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland There's no we is there? It's just you in a conference room drinking a soda playing with your phone isn't it?

enderland

no one from management at our company cares about self dev - so a few of us basically have started doing monthly self dev meetings

more the "take these trainings! no you are educated and competent" style

@GlenH7 yeah that's basically my goal from a career perspective - high degree of autonomy to do cool stuff

user41796

I'm still working on the latter part of that goal. Quite a bit of uncool stuff worked in that mix... :-)

Jimmy Hoffa

6:10 PM

@GlenH7 My experience is it's literally company specific. The you has very little to do with it beyond being at a normative level of competence.

user41796

@JimmyHoffa There's a lot of truth to that. A biz has its core competencies, and that's where the majority of the development will be. And be wary of any company straying too far from its core.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I just meant the autonomy part. There's nothing @enderland or you can do to receive the desired level of autonomy, you simply must be in a company that allows such (and meet a minimum barrier of competency, even the best company won't let an idiot have autonomy)

enderland

@JimmyHoffa I guess it depends on what you mean by autonomy

user41796

I think it's important to keep the 60 / 40 rule in mind as well. So long as you enjoy 60% of what you're doing, that's good enough. Striving to get too far past that 60 rarely seems to work

enderland

yeah, grass is ALWAYS greener

user41796

6:16 PM

And we would do well to remember that you need lots of fertilizer to make green grass.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 Yeah, I can't imagine programming that's ever going to be some blisfulness. That's not the company's fault, if you work on entirely your own projects you'll still find out you need to boringly write up mindless t-sql scripts for your database structures and data transformations and all the other numbingly obvious crap that doesn't challenge at all but still needs to be done for the software to run and work

I can't imagine software that doesn't have large swaths of boring code that needs to be written just to fulfill the features required, if there was such software it would probably be a complete nightmare of inconsistency

user41796

lackeys. We need more lackeys.

Yannis Rizos

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/198288/…

iCanLearn

I'm applying for a job and one of the questions is how much knowledge do I have about information systems... To me, "information systems" sounds very broad, do you guys have any idea about what they could be aiming at? It's basically a database related job in a financial institution.

user41796

There is a pro / theoretical branch of Stack Overflow: Programmers. Look, it even has "pro" in the name! — Shog9 16 hours ago

user41796

6:23 PM

@YannisRizos - I think that's what you were trying to do. Dunno why yours didn't explode out.

Yannis Rizos

@GlenH7 HOW DID YOU DO THAT?

user41796

' meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/198288/…

user41796

is the link I used. The tail is different

user41796

@iCanLearn would think that would be more towards content management systems

user41796

And if it's data warehouse or analytics type work, then they're asking about your ability to tap into a range of data stores

Yannis Rizos

6:26 PM

Hm, I got the link by clicking the comment's timestamp, it should work (that's how I always do it). Oh, well, it's Friday, who cares...

user41796

so knowledge of multiple DBs is good along with other content systems (wikis, sharepoint, GIS data stores, REST type data feeds)

user41796

and it's too bad deleted comments can't accrue stars. :-)

Yannis Rizos

Information systems

Information system (IS) is the study of complementary networks of hardware and software (see information technology) that people and organizations use to collect, filter, process, create, and distribute data. The study bridges business and computer science using the theoretical foundations of information and computation to study various business models and related algorithmic processes within a computer science discipline.

enderland

@GlenH7 I wonder if there's an easy way to see "total comment upvotes" or something

Yannis Rizos

i.e data warehouses.

user41796

6:30 PM

@YannisRizos yay, my swag wasn't too far off. Been a while since I interviewed with the exchange

user41796

@enderland I haven't dug into that before

user41796

@iCanLearn - Yannis' link should answer more of that. With more details from the job req, we might be able to shed more light on it

iCanLearn

@GlenH7: Hmm, it's a medium sized credit card processing institution, and their image is more bank-like than ecommerce startup-like. Oh, and it's an entry-level position. @Yannis: I've seen that article, it seemed too general to me, but that might just be my lack of experience in that area.

user41796

@iCanLearn - so take a step back and think about some of the background stuff a CC processor has to do in order to combat fraud and increase quality of service

user41796

it's a ton of data analytics and assembling disparate data sources.

user41796

6:36 PM

As an entry lever coder there, they'd want you to be able to tap into a variety of different data sources and either pull the data back into a warehouse or pull data back just for a query that's being run.

user55340

Information Systems is a very broad area - it has to be a bit general.

Yannis Rizos

@iCanLearn Yeah, it's pretty vague, but I'm afraid that's the best we can do. Information Systems is really an umbrella term for a vast variety of applications.

user55340

Everything IT and software development does touches on 'information systems'.

user55340

So when there's a question about "how much have you done with information systems" - customer support, project management, testing, database familiarity, software development, operational maintenance, sysadmin - all those things are what they want to know what you know about.

user55340

Each job has a puzzle piece within that realm of Information Systems. They want to try to figure out what where you fit and what you want to do within the system.

user41796

6:41 PM

It could also just be a role handling CC transactions. There's always a fair amount of work involved with that. I interviewed with a back-office transaction processing firm, and it's mind boggling how the change requests never end.

iCanLearn

Oh, ok, thanks guys. The problem is, if they expect me to have knowledge about analyzing tons of data, I don't even know how to prepare for the interview, it's not something I know how to practice (like, say, C# programming).

But if they're using it as an umbrella term for pretty much everything, I might have a chance.

user55340

There's integration points between different systems. If (for example), you know mysql, Apache MQ , and java - they may be looking for someone who does Oracle, IBM MQ Series and C# - and thats actually a fairly good match between the two skill sets.

user55340

They may have a bunch of openings for different puzzle pieces - and trying to figure you out just as much as you are trying to figure them out.

user55340

Entry level positions are only minorly about previous knowledge - what they want is to see how you attack a problem.

user55340

One doesn't expect someone out of college to be a master of message queues. But if they can ask questions that make you think about how to solve a problem, they get insight into how you will sove things you don't know.

user55340

6:47 PM

If I was interviewing someone, I'd rather hire someone who didn't know the answer and figured it out than someone who knew every answer I asked. The later, I don't know what they do when they don't have an answer.

iCanLearn

Okay, I think it's a bit clearer to me now. Yeah, I didn't get the impression that they're looking for someone with lots of experience. I mean, the question after "How good would you say is your knowledge of IS? (basic/medium/advanced)" is "Do you have basic knowledge about programming and databases?"

user55340

thecodelesscode.com/case/32

iCanLearn

Nice little story, thanks.

user55340

The Codeless Code are very good things to read... there's a lot of wisdom stored in those stories.

user41796

@iCanLearn those can be fun gigs, especially with the number of connections they have to have. Can be overwhelming, but can be rewarding if you can get a grasp on a high number of connection points

user55340

6:51 PM

The interview section of the codeless code - thecodelesscode.com/topics/interviews

iCanLearn

@GlenH7: Yeah, it does sound like a good position. @MichaelT: Bookmarked! Anyway, thanks again guys, I'm gonna go finish my application now.

user55340

The one that speaks to what I was saying before - thecodelesscode.com/case/83?topic=interviews

user55340

Tangental - this speaks to the problem of interviewing fresh out of college masters students.

user55340

-1

Q: How to get industry experience in JAVA/j2EE development?

I have been seeing opportunities go past me for just 1 reason: not having professional industry experience. I say to many employers that I'm capable of doing the job and show them the work I've done during the academics and also several personal projects which I took extra time and effort to teac...

java spring

user55340

9

Q: Do you count a Masters in CS as a negative?

In my experience interviewing developers I feel like candidates who've achieved a Masters in Comp Sci tend to be worse programmers on average that those who don't have a Masters. Is that just me, or have others noticed this phenomenon? If so, why would that be the case? UPDATE I appreciate the...

interview computer-science recruiting

enderland

6:59 PM

@MichaelT my masters was basically work experience so I guess I got lucky in that

user41796

I almost started answering along those lines and decided it wasn't worth it.

user55340

Most masters I've met really want to be R&D... and they may be good for it. However, they're applying for IT Dev... and their specializations from academics are nice and ivory tower... but IT Dev tends to be rather smacked around by reality.

user55340

thecodelesscode.com/case/111

user55340

So when someone is asking for J2EE experience in IT Dev, they mean they want someone who can come in, pick up the framework and work with it... not someone who will sit around and think of neat ideas to implement for the next release.

user55340

Classic comic...

user55340

7:05 PM

user41796

@MichaelT I guess I picked up a -7 for my PE license then. <sigh>

user55340

This is likely off topic on P.SE... and very difficult to read. V=v; and while(e--)cin>>u>>v>>c, add_edge(u,v,c); make it extremely difficult to decipher what your code is doing and what you were thinking when you write it (which may be necessary for identifying the slow part). That said, analysis of working (slow) code really isn't on topic for P.SE. — MichaelT 25 secs ago

user41796

@MichaelT - out of close votes for the day?

user55340

Not quite yet... I was looking for more thoughts on that or someone to take the lead on the cv.

user55340

(#2 is mine)

user41796

7:16 PM

The algorithm aspect would be interesting for Programmers. The borked code issue could go to SO if they explained what was wrong. But I didn't down vote since it was already at -2

user55340

if its a slow thing and looking for speedups of the existing, CR might be the right direction.

user55340

That would be the identification for things like "you're allocating a known amount of memory multiple within a loop, if you move that outside the loop, it will be faster"

user55340

@GlenH7 That turing machine simulator to llvm thing - I'm going for a +15...

user41796

I need to do something cool to up my cred

user55340

@GlenH7 Write a magna about ubuntu...

user55340

7:23 PM

user41796

apparently someone has already done that

user55340

@enderland @JimG. is this question more appropriate for workplace?

user55340

0

Q: Can I interview for a contract postiion in the same company which employs me full time

Please consider this scenario where I am employed full time with employer A and I want to move into contract and put my resume on the market. So some recruiter calls me and says: I have a contract with a very good rate wit hsame employer but in a different department. Now which of the two belo...

interview job-market contract

user41796

@MichaelT Nothing in particular for Programming there

user55340

@GlenH7 Nope... nothing programming at all. Its more a "would it get closed out of hand on TW and thus not a good thing to migrate at all?" or "it would work, and its not a dup" or "check out this other question with answers, but migrate anyways"

user41796

7:27 PM

I flagged for the migration anyway. Mods can figure that out more quickly, I think.

enderland

@MichaelT this question right now isn't exactly a good questino

I'm goign to edit it I guess

user41796

@enderland careful, that will get you 2 rep for editing....

user41796

assuming your edit is okay....

enderland

/me noms 2 rep

user41796

@enderland we'll get you to 10k. Just watch and see.

enderland

7:37 PM

I think you stop getting rep from edits at 2k :P

user55340

We'll get you part of the way there.

user55340

See, its easy - just look for the happy yellow face in the edits and hit approve.

user41796

Amazing. Look and see who approved the edits: programmers.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/history

enderland

>You have not reviewed any suggested edits yet.

user55340

The 10k 'pending edits' highlight makes it easy for us to grab them.

user55340

7:39 PM

@enderland programmers.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/40754

user41796

@enderland You're not allowed to see the queue history? Weird.

user55340

All history? thats a 10k thing.

user41796

I learned something new today

enderland

@MichaelT haha. I should switch avatars on here lol

I spontaneously switched to this one a few months ago

user41796

it seems bright and cheery for some reason....

enderland

7:42 PM

probably because it's an obnoxiously happy emoticon

though I do tend to be pretty positive generally speaking, so maybe it's appropriate

user41796

I recently updated my P.SE profile, but didn't push it out to the rest of my SE sites. It has a recursion joke buried within it that wouldn't work for the other sites.

user41796

protip: visual studio stores breakpoints in a file outside of the project itself.

user55340

@enderland you can get another +2 by fixing on that answer on the question...

user41796

so if you happen to drop a project from one system on to another after making extensive changes, then you'll find your breakpoints are all over the place

user55340

(or you could wait until it got migrated and then vote to delete it...)

user41796

7:46 PM

@MichaelT I thought vote to delete on answers was 20k

user55340

But on a beta site? I think its lower...

user41796

Holy crud! It's only 4k on TW workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/trusted-user

user55340

4k.

user55340

Which is also why he's got a boatload of delete question votes too... its +1 for every 1k above 2k.

user41796

I'm only 40 away from being to vote to close on TW.... Maybe I should spend some more time there...

user41796

7:48 PM

@MichaelT talk about an ego trip... :-)

user55340

Just answer some questions and get them migrated there...

enderland

@MichaelT heck yeah! haha

user41796

@MichaelT Where do you think all of my rep there is from?

enderland

I guess I should get more rep on WP so if/when it goes live I can actually delete stuff huh

user55340

@enderland You're above the threshold for vtd questions...

user41796

7:50 PM

delete questions comes at 10k; delete answers at 20k on P.SE. Dunno about SO or other main sites

enderland

@MichaelT oh yeah, most definitely

every once in a while I hit up the downvoted questions and push a few away

user55340

@GlenH7 same for all graduated sites - stackoverflow.com/help/privileges

user41796

Fair 'nuff. You can tell how often I venture out of my little corner

user55340

(and whee... back to being an oracle dba...)

enderland

ugh friday at 3pm is NOT the time I should start the "brainstorming next action steps" part of my work LOL

user41796

7:52 PM

why not? Just write 'em down

enderland

no I mean more architectural and brainstormy things

user41796

I have gotten into the habit of writing down quick notes to bring me back to where I was when I leave for the day. It's wonderful over the weekend because I can completely forget about work

enderland

@GlenH7 I have a GTD like method for everything I do

user41796

ah, those. Some of those I need extra time so the can congeal.

enderland

@GlenH7 kinda, I try to keep record of everything I need to do in one location

user41796

7:56 PM

thecodelesscode.com/case/92

enderland

and try to break tasks into a checklist appropriate thing

user55340

@enderland ppst... +2 more if you fix the typo in the title...

enderland

man I always forget titles when I edit posts

@GlenH7 yeah. that's so true

@MichaelT also I edited it, hah

user55340

@enderland programmers.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/40757

user55340

I beat Glen by 50 seconds on that one.

enderland

7:59 PM

hahahahaha. you know it's friday when...

user41796

@MichaelT Nothing new about me being slow, O master of the google-fu

user55340

@GlenH7 Nah, that was me waiting for the edit.

user41796

and I'll claim I'm walking code in the debugger too, so I'm only half paying attention

user55340

@GlenH7 we've gotta keep doing 'em... otherwise @YannisRizos will get his Steward for suggested edit badge.

user41796

I plan on stopping reviewing all the queues once I hit 1000 reviews. I'll keep working away at the close queue though

user55340

8:07 PM

@GlenH7 Well, suggested edits, only one person has a Steward badge... and thats ChrisF.

user41796

And that's 140 he could have let the rest of us have a shot at....

user41796

:-)

user55340

I suspect the majority of those were from the days of the great course shift.

enderland

you know it's friday when you're going through and formatting and making your code nicer

user55340

You know you work somewhere... not corporate... when the volleyball regulars are asked by the company owner to play a game vs some clients visiting.

enderland

8:15 PM

@MichaelT that's awesome

user55340

I'm not one of the VB regulars... just amused.

user55340

Just a bit ago, we had a picture taken with them. I needed to look semi-professional, so I buttoned up my shirt (haven't done that since the interview). Got the buttons mismatched (joked about I forgot how to do it).

user55340

@GlenH7 sigh that master's interview question got upvotes on answers... the roomba won't take it away quietly.

user41796

I thought it was headed for TW anyway

user41796

methodman's answer hit the LQP review queue

user55340

8:21 PM

@GlenH7 The master's interview was a "how to gain experience" one... I don't think that one was heading that way.

user41796

@MichaelT burning it just takes more patience then

user55340

Well, if the answer gets deleted... the roomba will eat it in a few days once it gets closed.

user55340

o_O

user55340

-2

A: Do companies care about university grades when hiring programmers?

Grades has turned many guz into lazy bones. For God's sake y are u being hire? Job isn't a classroom lecture or cram, write, forget and pass syndrome. It's d competence to execute your job well. Experience play better role here. We'v also seen those wit secondary education doin the job better dan...

user41796

Hopefully it will close within a day or so and one of us will remember to put a delete vote on it

user41796

8:26 PM

DownV #1 on that was mine. Flagged it too, but I suspect the flag will be declined.

user55340

I've picked up @gnat 's habit of +faving things to delete.

user41796

I need to burn through my delete votes more often... :-)

user55340

@GlenH7 I saw the flag and said 'yep'.

user41796

took a lot of will power to not leave a snarky comment about spelling or txt spk

user55340

Though, my flag was VLQ.

user41796

8:31 PM

VLQ is probably better, you're right. But it didn't answer the question either.

user55340

@GlenH7 I seem to note a correlation between edits (especially on friday) by a certain user and ars technica SE references.

user55340

Well, its got 3 flags on it now... so...

user55340

When I looked at it in the 10k flag area, it had 2 flags on it. Mine would be the 3rd.

user41796

oh? is there something I should dig into so I could guess at who picks the ars technica articles?

user55340

@GlenH7 programmers.stackexchange.com/users/39006/…

enderland

8:33 PM

@MichaelT this is kinda awesome

user55340

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/… arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/… arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/…

user41796

@MichaelT that appears to have a very high correlation factor

user41796

seriously though, he could pick some better articles....

user55340

I'm not sure if he's the one picking, or the one copy-editing.

user41796

good point; could very well be completely separate tasks

user55340

8:35 PM

It appears he's a SE employee? But without the diamond?

user55340

stackexchange.com/about/team -- Community Evangelist.

user55340

Fits what he's doing.

user41796

perhaps there is a technical skill level required in order to be given a diamond

user55340

If you see an edit from him, its probably something that should get approved because he's fixing it up for other people.

user55340

And we're more interesting than SO for questions... ?

user41796

8:38 PM

meh. I'll weigh his edits based upon their quality. :-)

user41796

@MichaelT Shog9 likes us, so who cares, right?

user55340

If he really liked us, he'd give us a bunch more close reasons... ;-)

user41796

I thought Shog gave the site a great plug with his answer to that MSO rant about SO going downhill

user41796

@MichaelT He didn't say "no". I think he wanted to see more evidence it was really necessary

user41796

That meta question is still open and has not been given a feature-denied

user55340

8:41 PM

(9 more votes till gold badge...)

user41796

SE had been quiet regarding the MSO request to change the collider formula until after I had posted the numbers to back things. Granted, there was still a big delay between posting numbers and the response, but ....

user55340

@GlenH7 Sometimes it takes an 'engineer' to get things moving in the right direction.

user41796

Too bad my resume is at -7 due to being certified in a technology

user55340

Meh... its better to be certified in a technology than certifiable.

user41796

wruh-wroh-wraggy

user55340

8:45 PM

user41796

odd how they really aren't that far apart

user55340

The other one is probably a -8.

user55340

@GlenH7 Going back to this... the key is to recognize the motivation of the user... he's not a "just give me +2 rep" noob. And it would be really funny if he got edit banned (just thinking about it... not suggesting doing it).

user41796

That could be awkward at work for him, yes.

user41796

BTW, got safari books through work. I don't have all of the computer / IT titles, but still quite a few. Pretty cool. Still getting used to their app on android though

user55340

8:51 PM

Safari Online?

user41796

yes; whatever it's called.

user55340

Have you looked at the engineering books they've got too?

user41796

of course! We subscribed to a lot more of those

user41796

It's the "IT & Software Development" that we're light on for some of the categories

user55340

my.safaribooksonline.com/book/medicine/… - some of the books are quite technical. "Models of Horizontal Eye Movements, Part II"

user55340

8:54 PM

> There are five different types of eye movements: saccades, smooth pursuit, vestibular ocular eye movements, optokinetic eye movements, and vergence eye movements. The purpose of this book is focused primarily on mathematical models of the horizontal saccadic eye movement system and the smooth pursuit system, rather than on how visual information is processed. A saccade is a fast eye movement used to acquire a target by placing the image of the target on the fovea.

user55340

> Advanced Solar Cell Materials, Technology, Modeling, and Simulation While measuring the effectiveness of solar cell materials may not always be practical once a device has been created, solar cell modeling may allow researchers to obtain prospective analyses of the internal processes of potential materials prior to their manufacture.

user41796

someone has to be able to program the machines at the eye doctor's office. And they need something to develop from, so ... makes sense to me. Of course, my background as a biomedical engineer predisposes me to those sorts of things

user55340

The thing is, its also applicable if you get really into theory in art.

user55340

amazon.com/Drawing-Scenery-Landscapes-Jack-Hamm/dp/0399508066

user55340

That book had a bit on how the eye moves through the frame.

user55340

8:58 PM

user41796

"Intercultural Rhetoric and Professional Communication"

user41796

looking at it on my tablet

user55340

books.google.com/…

user41796

need moah close vote: programmers.stackexchange.com/q/212759/53019

user55340

9:01 PM

There's a good half dozen pages on the art theory of eye movement.

Jimmy Hoffa

Did you try asking Siri? — Jimmy Hoffa 9 secs ago

user41796

That will teach me to throw out an answer in a comment. <sigh> But on that note, have a good weekend everyone.

user55340

If someone is creating material for corporate use - where they've got complete control of the image and 'art' isn't the purpose but rather trying to direct the eye's attention to certain things - that math model may be useful.

user55340

Another "hmm... looks neat" book...

user55340

my.safaribooksonline.com/book/astronomy/…

user55340

9:06 PM

> Advances in Machine Learning and Data Mining for Astronomy This practical guide illustrates the use of state-of-the-art machine learning and data mining techniques in astronomy. The book presents issues in the astronomical sciences that are also important to health, social, and physical sciences. It describes a number of astrophysics case studies that leverage a range of machine learning and data mining technologies.

user55340

> In addition, developers of algorithms and practitioners of machine learning and data mining show how these tools and techniques are used in astronomical applications.

user55340

9:20 PM

@JimmyHoffa programmers.stackexchange.com/posts/212719/revisions

user55340

@JimmyHoffa could you approve this review programmers.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/40771

user55340

@JimmyHoffa nevermind.

Yannis Rizos

9:41 PM

In Praise of Moderators

enderland

@YannisRizos now why would we want to do that.... :P{

Yannis Rizos

in In Praise of Moderators on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 11 at 4:56, by jadarnel27

Moderators were directly involved in the decision to cast Ben Affleck as Batman.

user55340

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Q: Can we give the community evangelist something more noteable to make suggested edits go more smootly?

I've noticed the SE community evangelist making some copy editing edits to correct the formatting of the markdown or the proper wording of a phrase. Likely to help improve our (P.SE's) image for showing us off the the world. Currently, the community evangelist does not have a diamond and isn't ...

discussion feature-request suggested-edits

Yannis Rizos

@MichaelT Sam?

user55340

Yep.

user55340

9:47 PM

This shouldn't have been rejected - programmers.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/40771

Yannis Rizos

@MichaelT Rejected? You mean closed?

Thomas Owens

Who is the Community Evangalist?

user55340

@YannisRizos Edited link.

user55340

SamtheBrand, New York, United States

228 1 9 17

apache bsd learning licensing mit-license open-source

user55340

stackexchange.com/about/team 6th row down, far right.

Thomas Owens

9:49 PM

@MichaelT Actually, yeah, it probably should have been.

It was posted in August and not edited since then.

And it wasn't Tweeted by the bot or anything.

Yannis Rizos

@ThomasOwens Strictly speaking, yes. However, Sam usually edits right before he pimps the question on Ars Technica.

Thomas Owens

@YannisRizos Wait, he's the one who posts the questions on Ars?

Yannis Rizos

Yes

user55340

@ThomasOwens If it was a normal user, yea. It should have been. If this is something that's going to show up in ars technica tomorrow... and you've got the choice of a title of "How do you put price on your source code?" vs "How do you put a price on your source code?" - no, it should have been passed through.

Thomas Owens

I thought it was an Ars editor. He should give us a head's up so we can watch the question. Or make sure that it's actually a good one. I thought Ars just randomly picked.

user55340

9:51 PM

He's not just a 200 rep user.

Yannis Rizos

@ThomasOwens I think he used to be an Ars editor (or still is)

user55340

Look at the relationship between programmers.stackexchange.com/users/39006/… and arstechnica.com/author/stack-exchange

Thomas Owens

Huh.

Interesting, now we can predict the questions that will get Ars'd.

user55340

If you watch the edits... maybe.

user55340

There is sometimes a several week / month gap between the two.

user55340

9:54 PM

The thing is, his edits are not the rep mining of a 200 rep user looking for edits.

user55340

@YannisRizos you didn't read the comment I hid in the question...

user55340

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(The reason I haven't said his name is because there is a *high* correlation between his edits and the significantly increased viewership of the question in the future - which could attract people who are after cheap rep)
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gnat

@ColeJohnson that's because people hesitate to downvote answers. DV low quality answers to 0 or below, then enjoy seeing roomba wiping the crap out... and giving bak the rep you invested into keeping site quality. BTDTGTTS — gnat 27 secs ago

user55340

Though, yea... thats one way of answering the question too...

user55340

> Awareness of other review queue reviewers?

gnat

9:58 PM

@MichaelT welcome to the club. Two tips for a newcomer. 1) favorites are FIFO, so you better refresh your habits of working with stack data structures. 2) As a 10Ker, you can see favorited deleted questions in different (red) background; this makes them convenient separators for chunks of work

Yannis Rizos

@MichaelT Didn't notice that. On the other hand, you know the first comment would have been "Who's the SE community evangelist???"

user55340

@YannisRizos My mistake for putting at the bottom rather than the top... and you're right.

Yannis Rizos

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/198288/…

Something's broken with onebox today...

user55340

Random idea... have him retake his P.SE photo to have him wearing a diamond mod hat?

user55340

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/198288/…

user55340

10:02 PM

-1 people downvote and the OP gets angry. People get discouraged seeing a downvoted closed question just sitting there - not deleted. People stop downvoting. — Cole Johnson 1 hour ago

user55340

Hmm.

enderland

@YannisRizos I don't think that's the right way to convince me ;)

@MichaelT kinda what I thought. "hmmm"

user55340

You're missing something in the copy and paste.

user55340

http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/198288/offtopic-questions-have-to-be-cleared-off-the-way-not-via-closure/198637#comment-629934
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/198288/…

user55340

The first one is the link you tried to onebox. The second one is the one I successfully oneboxed.

Yannis Rizos

10:04 PM

There's something broken with MSO comments today in general

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Q: Wrong vote count on collapsed comments

Noticed something weird on this question. If the comments are collapsed the vote count of my comment is zero. When expanded the vote count is correctly three.

bug status-reproduced google-chrome comment-voting

@MichaelT How did you get your link?

user55340

@YannisRizos right click on time, copy link address.

Yannis Rizos

Hm, I clicked on time and got the url from the address bar. And now I can't reproduce it, I'm doing the same thing and getting your link.

user55340

Btw, got an answer from Anna...

user55340

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A: Can we give the community evangelist something more noteable to make suggested edits go more smootly?

Generally speaking and with no offense to Sam... my initial reaction is that no, we shouldn't do anything special here. Most employees don't require special privileges across the network. Heck, many of us aren't really using the sites and/or aren't always in tune with how individual communities ...

gnat

@BenM there you go...

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Q: How is Google’s current homepage made?

If you look at Martha Graham Google Doodle, its an animation. Its not too long ago that you would not see such an animation on a web page without the use of Flash (or a similar plugin). I am assuming its something HTML5 related, but I looked at the source and I thought things like this where su...

html5 google new-technology animation

Yannis Rizos

10:13 PM

@MichaelT That was fast (pinged her, but didn't expect an answer in only a couple of minutes after the ping)

enderland

@MichaelT btw I think it's 2k rep on graduated sites before you stop getting the +2 rep bonus

since that's when your edits go through without requiring review

Yannis Rizos

@enderland There's a cutoff on total rep earned from edits, but I think it's 1K not 500.

Your edits will still go to the queue if you're under 2K, but you won't earn any more rep for them after the 1K point...

enderland

@YannisRizos I'm pretty sure it's close to 2k on StackOverflow

stackoverflow.com/users/1048539/enderland?tab=reputation

I gained 2 on Aug 24 and was pretty close to 2k (only 2200 now total there)

Yannis Rizos

@enderland 1K total rep earned from edits.

enderland

@YannisRizos oh gotcha, doh

it's friday :P

user55340

10:20 PM

I knew there was a different number than 2k for rep from edits... just didn't recall what it was.

Yannis Rizos

I guess the extra limit is there to stop rep hungry serial editors (who can't be bothered to post a question or an answer every once in a while)...

user55340

You do see it on SO sometimes... they've mentioned a user going and editing 100x old posts in one batch on MSO.

enderland

you know waht would be nice, on this note - a way to reject reviews instead of "too minor" as "too minor, cause silent update"

I always feel bad rejecting minor copyediting types of edits

user55340

With this one, I turned around once it was rejected and made the edit myself.

Yannis Rizos

Are the guidelines for account removal hard to follow? I just noticed someone who got the "Edit the "About Me" section of your profile to say “please delete me”." part wrong (and it's not the first time)

gnat

10:25 PM

@GlenH7 hey you taught me to keep cool! Anyway, when I see crap like that, I DV and let my anger go through a canned comment... :)

this post is rather hard to read (wall of text). Would you mind editing it into a better shape? — gnat 9 hours ago

user55340

@YannisRizos Apparently...

user55340

please delete me

101 1

user55340

please delete me

24 1

company working-conditions

user55340

please delete me, Chicago

1 1

user55340

Please delete me

1 1

Yannis Rizos

10:27 PM

@MichaelT The last two got it right (they've also updated their "about me" section)

user55340

Anyways... its friday... 5:30... and I'm the last dev in the shop (the one prior left at 4:30... its friday). Laters y'all.

gnat

@Shog9 you got pro part right, but the rest is just a typo; correct spelling of the site name is Pro-gamers — gnat 1 min ago

Aug 6 at 14:50, by gnat

@MichaelT I for one disagree with both "Programmers" and "Programming". First revision of the question had a fantastic typo that would make an awesome title for our site: Pro-gamers. Now that's the name I could be 200% happy with

user41796

11:27 PM

@YannisRizos - Instructions could be clearer, yes. Probably just needs more explanation or pictograms to make it clearer. Probably wouldn't hurt to add a part addressing the sentiment of "WTF! why no delete button!!!"

user41796

@enderland It's a hard line, and I've moved towards being more tolerant. If it's just one, meh, I'll like reject. But if there are several, then I'll approve. I used to worry about bumping old questions back on to the front page, but I have concluded it's just not worth worrying about. If it's a crap question that I don't want bumped then I need to go in and DV and VTC.

user41796

@gnat did you click through to find that "answer" though? Frigging garbage. VLQ is really what I should have flagged on that one. Or a custom "KILL IT!!! KILL IT!!! KILL IT!!!" would have worked too.

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