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12:58 AM
Hello, @JohnOmielan !
 
1:20 AM
@amWhy Hello to you. Is there any particular reason you pinged me?
 
@JohnOmielan Oh, I'm sorry, no. I saw you in the room earlier, but as I was writing my greeting, you left (or your gravatar left). I often try to greet/reach out to users who aren't frequent visitors here, that's all! ;D
 
 
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4:16 PM
D1, D2, D3.
D4, D5, D6.
D7, D8, D9.
C1, C2, C3.
C4, C5, C6.
C7, C8, C9.
 
 
@Peter That's an unusual off-topic question!
 
 
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5:43 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected (159): Solve $z^4+2z^3+3z^2+2z+1 =0$ by Ronnie Blackwood on math.SE
 
 
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7:34 PM
@amWhy I did.
re: @supinf's point, I absolutely agree with this. The main obstacle here is consensus... certainly there would be disagreement if we were to bring this to the community, but there is even disagreement amongst the mod team.
 
@AlexanderGruber No there aren't. The Mod Team agrees 100% on everything, and if you disagree, I'll have to resort to fisticuffs!
 
I'd have to see near unanimous consent to move forward with sanctions on answering... first because it is a big change, but also because the execution would fall on us.
So I've thought a lot about how it could be weakened to the point that we could get agreement but there hasn't been much luck there. Again I agree with this, this is just what we'd need to make it happen politically, I guess.
re: @amWhy's point, I think you're right that we need the culture to support moderation. And that there are both recognition and anti-backlash aspects to that.
It's a harder problem, in some ways. I don't have as much control over public opinion. We used to have more when the site was smaller.
It's also why I encourage being... shall we say, overtly temperate, in the face of abuse. It's much easier for us to protect and defend people who aren't hitting back than it is for us to break up a two way fight.
I can think of so many hair trigger suspensions I've dished out with like 30 seconds of thought where some frothing-at-the-mouth new user has told off somebody asking them for context. But when it's a slow build where both parties are polite at first, then gradually piss each other off in a back-and-forth, it becomes a question of whether to suspend both or write it off as "allowing debate."
Over the past few years the moderation culture here has leaned towards the latter. We've become very permissive of arguments compared to other SE network sites. In earlier days, I was more medieval about it. There are several regulars in this room who've felt the sting of my whip, alongside whoever they were fighting with.
Is it better or worse now? It's hard to say. But it's easier to regulate when the situations are less convoluted. I think for CURED users it's important to remember that you're easier to protect when you stay civil and let the other person be the bad guy.
(anyhow. now the gavel pounds for me.)
 
8:53 PM
@AlexanderGruber Maybe even an informal consensus among the community (not necessarily mods) could already be somewhat useful. The same way all experienced users know, that asking PSQs or downvoting others for revenge is not ok, there should be a consensus that answering PSQs is not ok. Currently that does not seem to be the case.
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@supinf that would certainly help, especially if the discussion was not led/initiated by the diamond mods.
 
9:24 PM
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@amWhy you're not wrong, though a lot of this is more because of internal filibustering and gridlock than because of posturing
which is why i advocate simplifying cases
(you can trash these since they're responding to something that doesn't exist anymore)
 
9:39 PM
@AlexanderGruber I'm just trying to "stay civil", lest I suffer more consequences. If this requires I shut up and go away, so be it. But do not come here under pretense of soliciting ideas, only to condemn those who do so.
 
i wasn't condemning you
and i do appreciate the feedback. I was mainly just trying to discuss the causes behind the issue.
@amwhy i'm interested in your take on the last part, though-- do you think this is something that's gotten better or worse over time?
like, 2014 vs 2020, for example
 

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