The Whiteboard

Peter Tòmas Scott

12:12 AM

invests in stock for cupcake manufacturers

Aaron Hall

12:51 AM

(excised)

durron597

@GlenH7 u here?

user41796

mebbe

user41796

I should be writing unit tests though. :-(

enderland

@Ampt going to guess you didn't leave work :P

user41796

Hopefully he at least got that beer. He may need another.

user41796

12:57 AM

@durron597 - yep, absolutely

user41796

You have my main account from working on your resume, right?

durron597

@GlenH7 yes

I almost just did it without checking but then i decided to

(check)

user41796

That would have been fine

enderland

this makes me want to "connect" with all you folks on LinkedIn

user41796

As a reminder, enderland and I can purge the history on deleted comments if folk want emails buried a little more deeply.

user41796

1:00 AM

@enderland Funny - I got a promotional from linkedin telling me that your former employer was just a contact away...

enderland

@GlenH7 really? lol

durron597

glen is your linked in email that same email?

enderland

they have trouble getting senior dev types of folks I think

user41796

@durron597 yes

enderland

I think I've got @GlenH7 on LinkedIn already, now that I think about it hah

I would refer you to current employer over employer^ in a heartbeat

Ampt

1:02 AM

@enderland Still here

@GlenH7 On beer number 2. We still have wine too. And jelly beans.

Let me know if you didn't get that @durron597

user41796

@Ampt sounds like you're covered.

user41796

@enderland @enderland - I don't have the script installed at home, so I can't edit & purge ampt's email. Can you do so, please? Or at least edit and then purge after durron gets it

enderland

enderland doesn't want to randomly connect to the wrong people. LOL.

oh, hopefully durron got that :P

user41796

:-(

user41796

This is what I create for being proactive in protecting privacy... :-(

enderland

1:05 AM

oh. lol

@Ampt I just sent you an invite

user41796

@durron597 - did you grab Ampt's email in time?

durron597

@Ampt I wasn't reading the chat, if someone cleared it already i didn't get it

enderland

oops

durron597

glen why don't you just email me them

enderland

double whammy hah

user41796

1:07 AM

@Ampt No, I asked enderland to purge so it was gone gone

durron597

enderland do i have yours

Ampt

got it?

user41796

@Ampt edit that

user41796

Now we can purge after durron gets it. :-)

Ampt

@durron597 did you get it now??

user41796

1:08 AM

Sheesh, he's slow.

user41796

:-P

enderland

probably working or something otherwise lame and important

durron597

I got them both now

enderland I don't have any emails from you

in my history

user41796

@durron597 thanks, will purge now then

Ampt

@enderland great to put a face to the name haha

enderland

1:09 AM

you mean you don't think this happy face is the same?

Ampt

@GlenH7 just add one of us on linked in or something you secret agent

user41796

@Ampt ugh, actually, I hate it. Always throws me off.

enderland

@Ampt I can't figure out how to suggest connections

user41796

@Ampt @enderland is already in my network. He's proactive like that.

Ampt

@enderland hmmm so I'm looking for second connections?

I've got a first name and a last letter (I think)

enderland

1:11 AM

@Ampt I have no clue. Linkedin is basically... worse than facebook

durron597

@enderland so I searched for your email and got bupkus

in linked in

enderland

@durron597 I put the link there too :P

linkedin.com/in/firstlast

user41796

@Ampt I think I just sent you an invite

user41796

stupid linked in

durron597

oh duh

enderland

1:13 AM

because I'm special and got that one first and since I have a reasonably unique name :-)

connection++

Ampt

use that link to get to me

enderland

@AaronHall I sent you a linkedin request too, if you are wondering about the random one

durron597

okay i think i invited the lot of you

enderland

you know we could have created a group

or something. :P

user41796

@Ampt sent

durron597

1:16 AM

@enderland s/we could have created/i could create/

user41796

Should I endorse @durron597 for Java skills...

enderland

@GlenH7 linkedin endorsements are a joke

Ixrec

are we all suddenly linkedinning each other in case SE nukes some of us or something?

user41796

I would definitely agree with that

Ampt

@GlenH7 No, he hangs out in here

@Ixrec after @MichaelT's departure, pretty much

enderland

1:16 AM

@Ixrec something like that, you just missed the juicy details!

Ampt

it's more of a "I kind of like you guys enough to keep talking to you should I leave SE so here's how you contact me"

enderland

^

user41796

LinkedIn is pretty good that way

Ampt

no pictures? Boring

enderland

so much better than all the random people who request me

durron597

1:17 AM

@Ixrec isn't it like... 2 am in your TZ

user41796

Does anyone have Jimmy in their network?

Ixrec

1:17 AM

Ampt

@enderland ain't that the truth. No I'm not slaving away at your startup for 10% equity of nothing

enderland

@GlenH7 I was noticing that Jimmy has also been pretty inactive in chat in the last few days.... :\

Ampt

@GlenH7 I've got him on steam - I'll get him to add me tonight

user41796

1:18 AM

@Ampt that works

enderland

hoping coincidence and not correlation :\

Ampt

@GlenH7 I believe this is correct, yes

@ixrec invite sent

enderland

I love that you can request "friend" without an email confirmation on linkedin, but "other" requires you to know their email

wth linkedin

Ampt

@enderland nah, coincidence

enderland

likewise

Ampt

1:20 AM

he's too cynical to ever leave us

ah shit, @WorldEngineer is here, hide your emails!

user41796

Hey @WorldEngineer

user20683

@GlenH7 Hey Glen

user41796

@Ampt I have 3 replies to that. And I had to cut all of them back. :-(

enderland

inb4 we all get fired for suddenly adding tons of linkedin connections

Ampt

hahahaha

enderland

1:21 AM

my company took professional pictures for everyone specifically for linkedin, on our first day, so I guess they want us promoting the company image or something

which was fine by me since my prior one was like 10 years old. LOL

user41796

@enderland $1 bet is that Shog & others within SE would have discouraged MichaelT from leaving. I don't think any of them are all that happy about the decision either.

Ampt

I need a new pic - mine is.... 5 years old?

user20683

I feel like I'm missing context

user41796

@Ampt More recent than mine...

Ampt

@WorldEngineer See the sidebar....

durron597

1:22 AM

@Ampt mine is sub 5 years but more than 2 i think

Ampt

TL;DR: MichaelT has left the building

user41796

@WorldEngineer Short version is that MichaelT had his accounts disassociated / deleted.

user20683

@Ampt well yes, but what does that have to do with Linkedin?

Ampt

oh, we're all frantically adding eachother

enderland

@WorldEngineer we're all jumping the social media train

user41796

1:23 AM

@WorldEngineer because we were trying to find who had his email earlier

durron597

@WorldEngineer it's inspired us to have a mechanism where we can find each other outside of this room

user20683

ah

enderland

I'm scared to look at all your pictures, though, how will I ever think of you all other than the mental image I have of your avatar

user20683

mine is in my profile

durron597

i added an issue to his github on a project that no one ever looks at

enderland

1:23 AM

clearly durron is a lego man

user41796

@enderland I think I have a few attached to my G+ account

user20683

though I need to get self hosting

user20683

being on linkedin makes me feel kind of dirty

enderland

@GlenH7 .... you mean you aren't a red autogenerated shape IRL?

durron597

@enderland he's a white swirly graphic on G+

user41796

1:25 AM

@enderland Only after a LOT of booze

user41796

@durron597 That one cropped poorly...

user20683

in other news, Taaka Gin is really solid for cheap gin

Ixrec

@enderland this is why I never use a photo of myself as my avatar, seeing what other people actually look like just feels weird when none of my social interaction with them involves seeing them in person

user20683

drunkest I've been in years

user20683

not that that's saying much of anything

user41796

1:27 AM

@WorldEngineer I nearly picked up some dry fly gin the other night because their whiskey was so good. I decided against it, but now I'm having second thoughts.

user41796

Normally, I'm not a gin person though

enderland

@Ixrec there's a lot of UX work that a face helps with improving UX, not sure if they did AB studies of emoticon faces like mine or not :|

Ixrec

what does my choice of avatar have to do with UX?

enderland

people respond better to faces than non-face avatars

user41796

@enderland - would you edit and purge durron's comment just below my comment of "that one cropped poorly"

user20683

1:28 AM

@GlenH7 I tend to favor herbal stuff

user20683

Ouzo and the like

enderland

done

user41796

ty

user20683

my avatar makes people feel like they are being watched :P

user41796

I really need to install the script let at hom

Ixrec

1:29 AM

@WorldEngineer nah, that's the blue name

Ampt

And the MOD ABUSE!

BarryTheHatchet

getting tired now :/

user20683

@Ampt you know nothing of mod abuse

BarryTheHatchet

2.5 hrs til I leave

user20683

John Sock

enderland

1:30 AM

@WorldEngineer I... have no idea what that's supposed to be other than a cool swirly pattern

user41796

@BarryTheHatchet WTF?! you're still up?

user20683

Also if anyone visits Georgia and is of the persuasions that most of you seem to be food wise:

user20683

heirloommarketbbq.com

user41796

I assume you actively decided to pull an all nighter instead?

user20683

Korean/ Southern BBQ fusion

user41796

1:31 AM

@WorldEngineer that sounds like it would be dang good

user20683

@GlenH7 routinely makes the top 10 restaurants in greater atlanta

user20683

if you want a real delicatessen, The General Muir

user20683

thegeneralmuir.com

user20683

If you want a more punkish establishment:

user20683

thevortexatl.com

user20683

1:32 AM

18+ because smoking

user20683

for Pubs, The Brick Store

user41796

Ugh. I really dislike that aspect of the South

user41796

And ... I have the scriptlet working at home now too

user20683

@GlenH7 banned in Dekalb county in all indoor restaurants

user20683

the Vortex is kind of the last hold out

enderland

1:34 AM

@GlenH7 it's super nice being able to edit deleted messages

user41796

@enderland it really is

durron597

so the edit / purge of history is a two mod approval system?

user41796

@WorldEngineer it's been that way in my neck of the woods for quite some time. And given all of my sinus issues, I really, really dislike cigarette smoke at this point.

durron597

man i remember when i worked my butt off trying to become a mythology mod. i wonder how different my life would be now if that had hadppened

enderland

@durron597 no, glen didn't have the scriplet working and I did

durron597

1:35 AM

o ok

user41796

@durron597 He edited the other comment. I changed the one I was worried about. I should have been more clear.

user41796

But shhh, don't tell him and pin it on me instead.

user41796

@durron597 It's hard to say. It certainly changed my perspective with Engineering.

user41796

But some of that is because I have to actively remind myself that Engineering isn't Progs, and it needs to find its own path.

durron597

@GlenH7 I certainly would have cared a lot more about (mostly) quitting SE if i had been a beta mod

user20683

1:38 AM

Also any of you dining in Georgia, we have really weird liquor laws

durron597

I probably would be a lot more active sitewide

enderland

@durron597 being a nominal moderator is pretty minimal time commitment

the real time comes when you want to participate (and not just exception handle)

user20683

@durron597 modship definitely changes perspectives

durron597

which means i probably would have played a lot less civ 5 and witcher 3 in the last 6 months

enderland

moderating, answering, and participating in meta takes a lot of time and energy

durron597

1:39 AM

@WorldEngineer sure, but i was specifically referring to the fact that i don't think i've answered a question (or even looked at new questions, really) since september

i don't think i would have done that if i had been a mythology mod

enderland

the true crazy ones are the ones that do all that on Stack Overflow

Ampt

@durron597 I seent it, I'll reply when I get on the train

in an hour

user20683

SO mods are hardcore

user41796

@WorldEngineer True that

user41796

Truly a stem the tide against the onslaught of barbarians role.

enderland

1:41 AM

I wonder if they imagine it like the zombie invasion, except their only ammo is time

user41796

I suspect / hope some do

Ampt

AND LOTS OF CLOSE VOTES

COMING TO A THEATRE NEAR YOU THIS SUMMER

ONE MOD WILL SAVE THE FRONT PAGE

FROM UNEXPECTED DOWNTIME

durron597

@enderland i feel like i have a lot of MSO activity, but when i actually went and checked i discovered i have only like 100 questions / answers combined

... and 5 gold badges

user20683

StarCraft 2 - Card to Play Cinematic

►

user20683

I barely touch SO

user20683

1:43 AM

it's never really been necessary

durron597

@Ampt If that had somehow been one message I would have starred it. doesn't work as four diff ones though

user20683

I either find the answer I'm looking for or I ask one of you guys

Ampt

@durron597 I just want to go home

durron597

@Ampt s/home/on steam/

user41796

@Ampt What was lost has still not been found?

enderland

1:45 AM

@WorldEngineer I'm getting too good at this sort of thing too, all the questions I have on SO are either trivial or way too hard for it

durron597

@enderland i'm doing way more sql than I have recently so it's useful for me again

the key to rediscovering SO as a reference is to learn a new technology ;)

enderland

@durron597 well I mean more asking questions

either I am learning something new and can ask a basic question, or it's something I am actually unsure how to do and normally by then it's complex enough no one else is an expert enough to solve :(

user20683

@enderland my liberal arts degree is what gets me, I either read the docs or I run into a "Learn more math" exception

user20683

Also all of you should read the Expanse books by James S.A. Corey

user20683

because they are fantastic

durron597

1:49 AM

@enderland did you see the question i linked earlier?

enderland

I don't think so?

durron597

2

Q: SQL Server 2012: Select Top n based on multiple criteria

Pretty new to SQL here - help would be much appreciated. I have a table with Region, Month, Member ID, and Sales (with multiple transactions per member). I just want to extract the top 2 members, based on sum of sales, per region, per month....so essentially: Region Month MemberID Sales...

though i suppose now that i think about it, it's actually a pretty basic q

you just have to know that function exists

user20683

@durron597 I tend to use Python

user20683

so I tend to assume a function exists until I find otherwise

user20683

then I write my own function

enderland

1:51 AM

heh pretty much all of my recent questions on SO are either 1) trivial "learning language" questions 2) not answered or 3) self answered

user20683

0

Q: Ruby: "Class is an object and Object is a class"

On surface level, this makes sense: (Class.is_a? Object) && (Object.is_a? Class) evaluates to true. However, it seems to introduce a circular dependency: Class is a subclass of Object, which implies that Object must be defined before Class can be defined. However, Object is an instance of Cla...

ruby

user20683

Ruby is a Smalltalk only when it really hurts your brain

user41796

@MetaFight - Insomnia?

user41796

You're on, Ixrec is on, Barry / Lightness / Preference is on. Is the UK burning?

enderland

daylight savings... screws with everyone, even those not affected

user41796

1:58 AM

apparently

user20683

UK has daylight savings IIRC

user20683

though they don't start till the 27th

enderland

I think daylight savings is all random when it happens though

which is among other reasons why it's incredibly dumb

BarryTheHatchet

2:10 AM

@GlenH7 sadly

I decided on powering through

starting to wish I hadn't

Peter Tòmas Scott

Apparently the gov now sees fit to lecture us on how much sugar we consume. And, in their great and majestic wisdom, they have decided to do it by stealing my money when I purchase sugary drinks et al. I guess I'll just have to accrue massive stockpiles before it comes into effect...

BarryTheHatchet

if I started packing right now I could probably fit in an hour's sleep .... sounds dangerous

Let's hope the AI we create someday isn't as eager as we are to dispose of things with no apparent lasting value. — benzado 2 hours ago

heh, oddly relevant

user20683

@PeterTòmasScott make your own soda

Peter Tòmas Scott

A fool-proof idea; what could go wrong? I'll get started on the bathtub concoctions post-haste.

user15026

2:26 AM

@PeterTòmasScott Or you could get a sodastream or the like, save the bathtub? :)

Peter Tòmas Scott

Hmm. Does that mean I should put down the Bunsen burner and stop laughing maniacally?

user15026

@PeterTòmasScott oh no, that's still totally an option

user20683

@PeterTòmasScott making simple syrup is trivially easy

user20683

and powdered caffeine is cheap

Peter Tòmas Scott

Sounds like a plan.

user15026

2:38 AM

So laughing maniacally is totally still on the table, and you will have a nice soda to help your throat after.

user20683

recommend lemon and ginger flavoring

user20683

plus you can cut out things like caramel color

user15026

Okay, now I actually want to do this.

user15026

But I lack a bathtub so I guess I can't do it properly ;)

user20683

@AshleyNunn make simple syrup, put in a jar with whatever flavoring agents you want to turn it into

user20683

2:40 AM

let it sit till it's diffused

user20683

howsweeteats.com/2014/07/…

user20683

that gives some instructions for some syrups

user20683

so a bunsen burner is still totally an option

MetaFight

@GlenH7 I just have a really bad sleeping schedule. And I just got back home after going to see Jon Skeet give a talk on C# 6.

(I may have stopped at the pub on the way home)

user15026

@WorldEngineer I know that blog! It's one of the ones I follow :D

Ampt

2:44 AM

On the ride home

the server is running - but without all of the historical data

user20683

@PeterTòmasScott be aware that powdered caffeine is very, very strong stuff

user20683

so you'd only need a tiny amount

Ampt

I know what I'm doing tomorrow.

@WorldEngineer I'd do a line or two right now, thanks

user20683

@Ampt a single teaspoon is 28 cups of coffee

MetaFight

ouch

try not to confuse that with the instant.

Ampt

2:46 AM

@WorldEngineer alright, make it a double then

been alternating coffee and beer for the last 6 hours

user20683

@Ampt that's mean lethal dose

Ampt

Like that's not the goal.

my ride has fallen asleep home in bed

hope to god there's an uber driver out there

user20683

@Ampt

user20683

user20683

mix with half and half for a lazy ass white russian

Peter Tòmas Scott

2:51 AM

Thanks for the tips on alternate sources of caffeine and sugar; necessities of life that they are.

user20683

@PeterTòmasScott make sure to get a milligram scale if you use the pure powder

user20683

and be careful

Ampt

@WorldEngineer feelin SO lazy

Peter Tòmas Scott

I won't be experimenting quite yet, don't worry.

user20683

Kola nut

The kola nut is the fruit of the kola tree, a genus (Cola) of trees that are native to the tropical rainforests of Africa. The caffeine-containing fruit of the tree is used as a flavoring ingredient in beverages, and is the origin of the term "cola". == General description == The kola nut is a caffeine-containing nut of evergreen trees of the genus Cola, primarily of the species Cola acuminata and Cola nitida. Cola acuminata, an evergreen tree about 20 metres in height, has long, ovoid leaves pointed at both the ends with a leathery texture. The trees have yellow flowers with purple spots, and...

user20683

2:53 AM

another source

user20683

I also know that that are a number of mixing caffeine things available that aren't pure

user20683

purelyft.com

user15026

@WorldEngineer Okay, note to self, don't touch that stuff

user20683

Something like that

user20683

@AshleyNunn yeah

user20683

2:55 AM

@Ampt take note of that Lyft

user20683

basically one of those sticks is 5 cans of coke

user20683

so 1 stick to every 60 ounces of soda should be good

user20683

you'd pay about 40 cents for the caffeine

user20683

@Shog9 waves

Shog9

@GlenH7 No one is. Everyone loves Michael. But you don't stand in someone's way when they want to leave; this isn't a prison. One tries to value the time privileged to spend working with you good folk on these little sites, and when that's over one remembers it fondly and wishes you the best in future endeavors.

evening, @WorldEngineer

user15026

3:00 AM

Man, asking questions on SE sites I don't use very often is weird, because I'm so used to how my "home group" of sites does things.

Snowman

I would like to learn ASP.NET and download from ASP.NetMVC4 but it's for Win 7/8. Is there any version for Win XP? Or I should upgrade the OS to Win 7/8?

user20683

@Snowman upgrade the OS if you can

user20683

XP has numerous well known security problems

user15026

@WorldEngineer The number of people I encounter on calls at work who are still using XP because anything newer is different and cheese-moving and alarming is surprising.

user20683

@AshleyNunn waits for all the ransomware calls

user15026

3:08 AM

@WorldEngineer Oh, we get a bunch of those. "Should I click this/call them?" "Nope." "Is my computer broken?" "Nope. Run your antivirus, though." "Do I need that? I don't really use the internet, I just download the odd movie...."

user15026

(And I'm ISP tech support, so technically I don't even handle anything beyond connecting stuff to the internet. But we're small, and have a repair shop that shares our space, so things blur.)

Aaron Hall

MichaelT's meta user page 404's

Ampt

She woke up and there was much rejoicing!

Aaron Hall

sniff

MetaFight

3:27 AM

If anyone here is planning on contacting MichaelT outside of the network, please tell him "Thanks" on my behalf for all the work he put into this place.

BarryTheHatchet

4:14 AM

alright - I'm off! wish me luck!

Nick Alexeev

5:40 AM

Method chaining in Java. Advisable or not? Yay or Nay, folks?

BarryTheHatchet

8:53 AM

guh that was close. if I'd waited another 20 minutes before leaving I'd probably have missed check-in. damn traffic

of course boarding's now delayed...

almost 9am. getting sleepy.....

Duga

10:00 AM

Questions that ask where to start are typically too broad and are not a good fit for this site. People have their own method for approaching the problem and because of this there cannot be a correct answer. Give a good read over Where to Start, then address your post. — Kyll 1 min ago

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Duga

11:58 AM

Questions like that are better asked on programmers.stackexchange.com, but I'd strongly advise you to give the question somewhat more body than "design patterns suck, amirite?". — CodeCaster 14 secs ago

user41796

12:20 PM

@gnat - That previous comment was uncalled for and blew past the line of any pretense of civility. Saying things like that makes matters worse, not better. In the future, please just walk away from the keyboard instead of saying something like that.

Snowman

@WorldEngineer I tried to upgrade to win7 from Win official website, i got Windows7 Upgrade Advisor Setup, File Format Converters & Win Malicious software removal tool then didn't get upgrade. Am I overlooked something?

gnat

@GlenH7 I thought Shog went in to test the waters so to speak. Wanted to let him know that it kind of stinks. Sorry if I misunderstood

enderland

12:55 PM

I realized talking to my wife last night that I probably talk to you lot more than her, given that I idle/chat in here during the workday and probably more than I should on weekends :o

Duga

Questions that ask "where do I start" are typically too broad and are not a good fit for this site. People have their own method for approaching the problem and because of this there cannot be a correct answer. Give a good read over Where to Start, then address your post. — gunr2171 50 secs ago

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