The Whiteboard

enderland

12:04 AM

now I want bbq. :'(

Jimmy Hoffa

Me too. I blame every one of you. It's all of your faults.

The Whiteboard, you're a bad influence.

enderland

no kidding. think of how many hours this place has taken from our souls :o

Jimmy Hoffa

It's alright, my soul's just going to spend any free time it has somewhere pretty awful anyway. :D

user55340

@enderland Iowa... right?

user55340

12:19 AM

Hmm... Iowa is kind of... you've got Moline IL and Council Bluffs IA.

user55340

user55340

Iowa is like the North Korea of Dickies BBQ.

Robert Harvey

Your offer would be a lot more credible if you knew how to spell the word "Engineer." — Robert Harvey 17 secs ago

user55340

Everywhere, but Iowa.

user55340

12:23 AM

Hey @GlenH7 ... should I flag this for migration?

user55340

-7

Q: Looking for Mechanical Engeneers - Sydney

I am the PA of a Managing Director who runs a successful business in Sydney. He is currently looking for someone to help him design and build an idea he has. The idea can’t be discussed before signing a NDA which will be sent to you prior to speaking/meeting my Managing Director. This is a paid...

freelancing

Robert Harvey

Oh, you kidder.

user55340

Why they're looking for MEs on P.SE... I've got no clue.

Duga

12:43 AM

@TroyHarvey moreover, this type of question, while still too ill-formed for NPR, would in a perfect world be on-topic on Programmers. It is not, because it's still waaay too broad. — cat 31 secs ago

Robert Harvey

-2

Q: Can someone please help me identify the noun, pronoun, verb, adjective, adverb, preposition, and conjunction in this writing?

Law enforcement agencies traditionally schedule their officers on a 40-hour shift throughout the week in which personnel work five 8 hour shifts with two days off. However, some agencies provide 10 hour shift days which means employees have the right to a three day weekend. This paper is going ...

workflows

[sigh]

user55340

@RobertHarvey and those CM types wonder why we run out of close votes.

user55340

Hey @GlenH7 - cast the 3rd speedy delete on that engineering question before someone tries to be helpful and suggests another site.

Ixrec

@haskelllooksgreat Please simply ignore gnat. He's a long-time nuisance around here who loves being hostile to newcomers and chasing them away from our community, for whatever bizarre reason. — Mason Wheeler 3 hours ago

user41796

@MichaelT I cast the 1st

user41796

12:58 AM

My motivation must be trapped in a monad somewhere...

Duga

2:29 AM

This is off-topic here. Maybe you can ask your question at programmers.stackexchange.com :) — Tyress 46 secs ago

user55340

2:46 AM

Duga

3:01 AM

Hey @Tyress, please don't suggest that new users post elsewhere. It suggests they should cross-post on multiple sites, but that's forbidden by Stack Exchange policy. This just gets them in trouble. If you suggest another site, in the future please remind them not to cross-post, and mention how they can ask to have their question migrated. However, we don't migrate low-quality questions, and I expect that this question would not be well-received on CS.SE or Programmers.SE, so your suggestion is not really helpful in this case. — D.W. 58 secs ago

StackExchange

https://the-whiteboard.github.io/book/review/2016/02/17/five-books-michaelt.html
The Whiteboard
Five Books Every Programmer Should Read (MichaelT)

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Five books If you are old enough to remember book stores, you would walk past the computer book shelf (or if you were lucky, shelves, or the extremely fortunate would find an entire section of the book store dedicated to computers and technology). Now, those books aren’t quite as accessible. It is harder to wander down the aisle and thumb through a book to see if its worth while. While there are online bookstores and temporary loa…

user55340

@JimmyHoffa the feed works.

user55340

The reason I put the (MichaelT) on the title there is because thats one I'm hoping others will pick up and write about too - same or similar title.

Jimmy Hoffa

4:46 AM

@MichaelT SE blog bot fail: Click the link from that onebox and notice what's wrong with how it formulates the URI.

Wonder if I put the feed in wrong..

Duga

5:07 AM

I think you'll find better reception by offering some example code and taking your question to programmers SE. — Jasen 23 secs ago

Duga

5:34 AM

You do not seem to have a programming question here. Stack Overflow is a Q&A site for programmers, but you can probably get help at one of our sister sites -- unix.stackexchange.com or perhaps superuser.com for general computer help. Flag your question for moderator attention and request a migration to a suitable site (after checking that a similar question doesn't already exist there, of course; and do check their site policy to verify that your question is acceptable there). — tripleee 42 secs ago

PreferenceBean

9:48 AM

morning

amon

10:05 AM

@JimmyHoffa See my PR for issue #14: github.com/the-whiteboard/the-whiteboard.github.io/pull/14/…

Duga

11:53 AM

Belongs on programmers.stackexchange.com — James 43 secs ago

This seems more suited for programmers.stackexchange.com — V-R 9 secs ago

Duga

12:36 PM

This is way too broad. It might be more suited for Programmers. — Gerald Schneider 32 secs ago

user55340

12:47 PM

@amon I've merged it in... lets see if that fixes it.

user55340

1:49 PM

I'm sorry about that flag on a deleted answer, but that much pink space in the screen is distracting.

Kit Z. Fox

Days of roses and wine.

user55340

@KitZ.Fox wine > whine

enderland

@MichaelT when I was in Europe on a trip once, we had wine as part of someone's service anniversary celebration (in the office)

Kit Z. Fox

We are allowed to drink in the office after 4:30.

user55340

@enderland when I was in Cali, wine was a standard part of a beer bash on Friday. In tech support the person working the night shift would likely finish it off that evening.

enderland

1:57 PM

ahhh oops I totally broke the feeds link to the blog trying to fix it

user55340

Btw, I have a cats and tags branch for working on making nice categories and tags on the page.

PreferenceBean

2:16 PM

@KitZ.Fox I got just brought some tea so that's nice

close enough I suppose?????

gotta drive later anyway

Kit Z. Fox

I should have tea and oranges later. Ohhh. That would be lovely.

user55340

@PreferenceBean clearly reason why beer for breakfast is the way to go.

Jimmy Hoffa

That's the tea you would want with oranges

Happy Coffee Day

and you're wrong, you should have coffee and pastries later.

Kit Z. Fox

I don't think that's a thing that is right or wrong.

@ThomasOwens Do you have a resource specific to working agile with remote teams?

Other than "don't"?

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox wrong twice this early? You must really need that coffee today.

Thomas Owens

2:20 PM

@KitZ.Fox No. Never had to deal with remote teams. Sometimes a remote worker or two for a couple of days.

Kit Z. Fox

I'm not taking guff from an allegedly dead teamster today. I've got team success to support!

Jimmy Hoffa

How do I ask a good question?

2

user55340

I'd say formulaic stand ups become more important- knowing exactly what is and is not the process becomes more important.

Thomas Owens

There are electronic versions of things like burndown charts, kanban boards, and other things. But nothing really beats face-to-face communication, the ability to stand at a whiteboard, and pair programming sometimes.

brb - getting more coffee

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox you think the teamsters didn't know a thing or two about team success?

Kit Z. Fox

2:23 PM

The sticking point here is sprint planning. It's a long session and they are griping about not wanting to be on the phone for hours. Personally, I think they should be on-site, but there must be a way to accommodate them. Maybe we can use VTC so there's video. That might help.

user55340

Agile has a strong communication focus. That is harder when remote. It becomes all the more important that what communication is available is used wisely

Kit Z. Fox

@JimmyHoffa I wasn't talking about the teamsters. :D

The standups and our internal IM system/phone calls work pretty well for the routine things.

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox meeting room here, meeting room there: Projectors in both locations, laptops + skype.

Don't do that shit on no phone

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox untrue, you were thinking something unclear and formless, get some coffee man!

user55340

2:26 PM

Do as much of the non communication bits as possible prior.

Kit Z. Fox

I have ... checks mug

Damn it, @Jimmy.

PreferenceBean

it's DEBUGGING time!!!

Kit Z. Fox

Woo!

Good lord, our coordination is going all to crap these last two/three days. Must be my fault, since they put me in charge two/three days ago.

PreferenceBean

Must be

Kit Z. Fox

Of course, I didn't make the dev's kid sick or kill the business owner's relative or break the designer's car. So.

user55340

2:34 PM

@KitZ.Fox that wasn't you?

Kit Z. Fox

I was busy with other stuff.

user55340

Though more seriously I've rarely seen the combination of pm and project model being changed simultaneously without some bumps in the road.

Ixrec

@KitZ.Fox martinfowler.com/articles/agileOffshore.html might help a little

Kit Z. Fox

@Ixrec Thanks.

@MichaelT Yeah, it's just a weird coincidence of external obstacles right at the same time as hand-off. It's certainly queered things.

Ixrec

my new favorite enum constant: IMPOSSIBLE_OBJECT_FLAVOR

Jimmy Hoffa

2:57 PM

ergh... finding code that says someBool = someOtherBool ? true : false; makes me wonder what the hell I'm doing sometimes. Why bother being any good at this stuff? Doing an absolutely junior job is utterly acceptable..why bother doing anything else...

user55340

@JimmyHoffa because you are better than that.

enderland

@JimmyHoffa lol

Ixrec

@JimmyHoffa devil's advocate: is it possible for someOtherBool to not be a boolean?

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ixrec not JavaScript; C# can't if non-boolean values

Ixrec

so ? : also doesn't work on non-bools?

Jimmy Hoffa

3:07 PM

@Ixrec ternary is just if, they're identical things just different syntax

Ixrec

is if an expression in C#?

Jimmy Hoffa

nope, just control flow

Ixrec

then they're not identical =)

Jimmy Hoffa

they are

ternary too is just control flow

it's syntactic sugar

not an expression

Ixrec

doesn't someOtherBool ? true : false have to be an expression in order to have an assignable value?

Jimmy Hoffa

3:10 PM

@Ixrec eh I guess, but it compiles down to an if statement with an assignment in the body

Ixrec

neat

blame my C++ background for that one, in that language the distinction actually matters in a few places

Jimmy Hoffa

I suppose technically it's an expression.. not really what I think of as an expression though because it isn't evaluated as an expression at run time, it's a compile time expression

PreferenceBean

3:22 PM

@JimmyHoffa if you're going to look at it like that, when "compiled down" it's not an if statement either

but the C# conditional operator is definitely part of expressions

and it evaluates to one of two expressions

just like in every other language I know of that has it

so not "identical" to if in the slightest!

Jimmy Hoffa

List of CIL instructions

Main article: Common Intermediate Language This is a list of the instructions in the instruction set of the Common Intermediate Language bytecode. Base instructions form a Turing-complete instruction set. Object model instructions provide an implementation for the Common Type System. == See also == Common Intermediate Language is the assembly language that uses the instruction set. Common Language Infrastructure is the standard in which the Common Intermediate Language is defined. .NET Framework is a platform and implementation of the Common Language Infrastructure. Mono is a cross-platform open...

PreferenceBean

still debugging :(

Jimmy Hoffa

BEQ I guess is the right statement- they're both BEQ codes. Identical when compiled, but not before compilation.

PreferenceBean

yeah -- but the C# conditional operator being implemented (as is if) by a branch instruction "under the hood" doesn't mean it's "identical" to C# if

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean it is at runtime

PreferenceBean

3:28 PM

otherwise half your language would be identical to the other half

Jimmy Hoffa

I think of expressions as something specifically at runtime

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa Well as long you're talking about C#, the language, "it has equivalent behaviour in this case" is as accurate as you're going to get

If you're talking about how the bits are arranged on the hard disk platter then go ahead but that's not a fact about C# :)

Jimmy Hoffa

for instance, an Expression<> in C# is something only available in the dynamic runtime because Expression<> refers to something that's evaluated at runtime, not compile time

Ixrec

expression v statement is definitely a difference in syntax, they're explicitly mentioned in the BNFs

PreferenceBean

(language-lawyer ftw)

Ixrec

3:29 PM

oh that's a totally different kind of expression

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ixrec yes, it's a terminological confusion. You guys are right, I just tend to immediately think of expression as something evaluated at runtime

it's my mistake

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa the type Expression is not the same as "expression" in the context of how C# is constructed

@JimmyHoffa now sit there in your wrongness and be wrong and get used to it

— Pres. Bartlett

this debugging is taking long than I'd hoped......... feature implemented in 5 minutes but three hours later it's still not actually working................................... eheheheheheheheh ;( ;(

Ixrec

sounds like a normal day

Kit Z. Fox

Do I look like an administrative assistant?

If you want a 15-minute call to discuss it, then you can set it up yourself.

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox yes, but we all do. Welcome to the modern day, everyone is their own administrative assistant. No one get's help, we all must help ourselves, efficient partitioning of work be damned!

Kit Z. Fox

3:44 PM

My manager said yesterday that despite his comments in our meetings together, the project lead always has good things to say about me.

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox you're manager's in on it! Run!

Kit Z. Fox

I'm annoyed that he is asking me to schedule a meeting.

And having a hard time looking at it objectively.

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox schedule it in the garage, and then if anyone complains just make it broadly recognized you don't know anything about calendar magic nonsense and you're too busy to take care of all their scheduling issues

Kit Z. Fox

If he perceives me as the project lead on that project, I suppose it is perfectly 'deferential' to request a meeting.

I scheduled it for the first open 15 minutes that we all have, which is next Tuesday.

He wants to de-prioritize the work now that it is nearly finished and ready for testing.

It is supposed to be finished by Tuesday.

enderland

@JimmyHoffa so cynical. :)

Jimmy Hoffa

3:55 PM

@enderland says he who will soon be on the cafeteria's menu under "dev stew"

enderland

sounds delicious

Kit Z. Fox

4:27 PM

I eat my dinner in the bathtub...

Tove Lo looks a lot like my ex.

Kinda halfway between Lorde and Tove Lo.

Jimmy Hoffa

4:52 PM

TIL NIST has a standardized heavily detailed descriptor for roles based security

psr

@KitZ.Fox I thought you weren't talking about teamsters.

Jimmy Hoffa

Jan 18 at 19:27, by Jimmy Hoffa

> wa-sheeng!

psr

5:11 PM

What's a reasonable budget for a dev laptop? In my case I'd have to do development on a VM hosted by the laptop, because the owner has decided differing development environments were causing problems (slightly true, but far less than the solution to those problems). I would need to run WebStorm in the VM, plus a database, plus node, and run grunt builds.

Kit Z. Fox

@psr haha

enderland

@psr $2000

Kit Z. Fox

I was going to say $3000.

Just you'll need a waterjacket for that.

tries to look serious

enderland

that's probably closer, since you'll probably get pushback given your place and then you can "compromise" on like $2k

Thomas Owens

@psr $3k.

Kit Z. Fox

5:15 PM

You are going to need a titanium case that has biometric security.

Thomas Owens

I just went to random PC manufacturer and started cranking things to the max. The most expensive laptop was $2850.

That's a Core i7, 32GB, 1TB Solid State Drive.

psr

Someone offhandedly mentioned 1k and I was trying to verify that I'm not the one who is way off.

Thomas Owens

Touch screen monitor.

Kit Z. Fox

You could make it on $1K but $2K will be more comfortable, I think.

amon

3k might be over the top. For VMs, 16GB RAM is a good number. And good processors are nice. But no one needs 1TB SSD storage or touch screens for a work device, yes?

Thomas Owens

5:19 PM

@amon I turned everything to the max. Your price ceiling is $3k. You can live with less than that.

If you had $3k on hand right now, you could get more than you need. If you had $1k...eh, it would be harder.

If someone tried to get me to pay more than $3k, I'd tell them they are insane.

Jimmy Hoffa

@psr it depends a lot on where you are. I've worked at companies who only buy "consumer" grade hardware because it's cheaper and they didn't believe there was any real difference between that and commercial grade. I've worked places that did the opposite and some that didn't care one way or another. If you go consumer you can get a lot more performance for less money, but you lose the faith in reliability over time typically associated with commercial hardware.

enderland

my retina macbook pro was only like $2k though

which is pretty dang awesome

Jimmy Hoffa

Throw on top the fact that perhaps your joint is an all-lease shop and the calculations become totally different.

psr

@amon Yes, that sounds over the top. But I'm starting to be dubious about 1k. My desktop was about that and is not handling it well. Of course it isn't new. And I didn't get to spec it out and it probably could have been faster for the price. It's doing stuff on the VM that's causing the issues.

Thomas Owens

@enderland Yeah. Like @amon said, you don't need a 1TB Solid State or 32GB of RAM or a touch screen.

Jimmy Hoffa

5:22 PM

@psr do you know whether your corp expected commercial or consumer grade purchases? Or doesn't care? Are you locked into a vendor? Locked into a lease with maintenance?

psr

@ThomasOwens I think more like your price ceiling is 3k.

Thomas Owens

@psr I can't drop $3k on a laptop. :(

psr

@JimmyHoffa We're more like place an order with Newegg.

Kit Z. Fox

Toughbook.

Thomas Owens

Even if I could, I wouldn't. But if I had an extra $3k sitting in the bank, I know that I could get more than I need.

Kit Z. Fox

5:23 PM

With integrated incendiary capabilities and private satellite network.

psr

@ThomasOwens But would your employer drop it for a work laptop?

Jimmy Hoffa

@psr then aim for something with high performance since that's going to be consumer grade, and fit your own reliability in through redundancy: mirrored raid on business grade drives. Don't skimp on the drives or PSU, everything goes poof because it's consumer grade system, just make sure the data didn't go with and no real loss.

Thomas Owens

@psr I'd have to spec it out, but we spend over $2k on a engineering grade laptop, yes. Not quite $3k, though.

Jimmy Hoffa

oh shit laptop?

Thomas Owens

I think an engineering grade laptop here is around $2.3k.

Jimmy Hoffa

5:25 PM

Can't imagine a laptop with mirrored raid drives.

psr

I'm hoping laptop. As far a everything going poof, not that big a deal unless I haven't checked code in for some reason.

whatsisname

you know whats even better than an "engineering grade laptop"? A proper desktop computer

Jimmy Hoffa

^^

whatsisname

I have never seen a laptop that wasn't complete garbage within 3 years, no matter how much it cost initially

Jimmy Hoffa

I absolutely do not understand this feckin' obsession with laptops these days. It's all fashion, engineers don't pick up their computers and go work in random locations with them. That's what ~~fashionistas~~ managers and PMs do

psr

5:27 PM

@ThomasOwens That seems to match what I'm seeing.

@JimmyHoffa If I want to work from home, this is my best bet.

Jimmy Hoffa

@psr Whatever you get, make sure to snag one of these to replace the stock. You want that enterprise HD, and SSDs don't scramble when you drop them.

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa I do, though.

Jimmy Hoffa

@psr if you can just remote to your desktop, does it matter?

@ThomasOwens yes but you're a makkerUpper, we went over this yesterday

Thomas Owens

Working sessions in conference rooms? Hardware debugging in the lab?

Hiding at the top of the stairs to the roof so no one finds me and I can be productive without interruptions?

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens See, and nobody codes like that. Hardware debugging is a different ballgame altogether

@ThomasOwens you were writing a word document, not the same

Thomas Owens

5:30 PM

@JimmyHoffa I'm usually working on code on the stairs.

whatsisname

if you're hardware debugging in the lab, then you should have another desktop in the lab

Thomas Owens

I don't care if I'm interrupted when working on a Word doc.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens if you're doing it for any serious period, you'd be a cripple from the ergonomics by now

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa o_O

I just kind of...lay down with my laptop and code. Do people not do that?

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens seriously, you sit on a set of stairs with a laptop coding?? If I sat in such a position through a coding session I'd be limping for a month.

whatsisname

5:31 PM

no I sit at my desk

Jimmy Hoffa

everyone sits at their desk

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa I go to the top landing and sit cross legged or lie down.

whatsisname

with my good keyboard and good mouse and huge displays

Jimmy Hoffa

seriously

Thomas Owens

Seriously, no one else does this?

AM I THAT WEIRD?

whatsisname

5:31 PM

I only use our laptops if I have no other option, which while it happens occasionally, I hate every minute of using it

Jimmy Hoffa

absolutely not, the ergonomics on my arms without a desk, are you kidding me? Besides, the productivity boost 2 large displays gives...

whatsisname

@ThomasOwens: you're not all that weird, but plenty of people apparently don't value their time though

I once saw some guy at a coffee shop doing some image editing in photoshop, using the little track pad

Jimmy Hoffa

haha

whatsisname

he was working so slowly it was filling me with rage

Ixrec

I don't code outside of work, but I do basically everything else on a laptop that is normally either on my lap (which may have crossed legs) or lying next to me on the bed

so no it's not that weird

Jimmy Hoffa

5:33 PM

@whatsisname I will admit, I used to work with a guy who was a consultant for many years in the 90s, he got so used to old-school laptopping that he pretty much refused to use a desk, would walk around with his laptop all day and only used the J-stick (everytime he came to my desk for help, I would get to remind myself he had the touchpad disabled)

whatsisname

you can reword that to "he got used to wasting his time and insisted on doing so"

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ixrec this is nuts to me, my wrists and back would absolutely hate me if I did this for any sincere period..

@whatsisname I did say he was a consultant, what else do they do?

I'm not saying it's wrong @ThomasOwens or @Ixrec, I'm just really surprised that you guys aren't joking. I mean really, my body would absolutely revolt if I tried working in any of those positions for any period greater than 5 or 10 minutes

Ixrec

@JimmyHoffa honestly, my back only hurts when I'm sitting in a chair for too long, it's leaning back into a sofa or lying on a bed that I can do indefinitely

exception for these magic ergowhatever chairs my workplace has

whatsisname

I can't handle having the display so close as it is on a laptop either

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa I do get comfortable in some weird positions. Sometimes, I perch on a chair instead of sitting on it.

Ixrec

5:36 PM

then again half of their magic is that I can lean back into them

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ixrec my chair is always tilted way back, but not too much. The real issue is more about my arms though. They should be way out in front of you. Cramping them back close enough for the keyboard to be on my lap is no bueno

whatsisname

I have to lean forward to touch my monitors at my desk

Ixrec

@ThomasOwens you mean crossing both your legs on top of the chair? I do that quite a bit

Thomas Owens

@Ixrec No. Like...crouching on the chair.

With both feet on it.

Ixrec

oh, that I cannot do

Jimmy Hoffa

5:37 PM

@whatsisname same

Thomas Owens

But I do cross my legs on the chair sometimes, too.

Ixrec

for some reason my default sitting position is half-crossed, one foot on the floor and the other foot on my knee

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens do you not have knees? You crouch on your chair?? This is madness, I'm convinced @ThomasOwens is either a yogic computer slayer, or an alien who just slipped up.

Ixrec

or he's L

Jimmy Hoffa

alternatively, maybe you two are younger and don't have knees that crackle every time you bend them yet..

Ixrec

5:40 PM

I definitely don't have that

Thomas Owens

Nope.

Ixrec

also work just ended so bye

Jimmy Hoffa

Sitting in positions like that, you're sure on your way to developing them ;P Honestly though - I would encourage both of you to go read some on ergonomics because the longer you can delay this job from scrooging your body, the better

(I don't actually know if what you guys do is particularly bad, I'd just suggest y'all be wary)

@ThomasOwens you put on hold a Q I answered with a NIST standard descriptor? You love standards..

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa Link?

Jimmy Hoffa

-1

Q: What are good examples of tree-based permission systems?

I'm looking for a name or design pattern on a ACL Based permission system (at least, I think it has some features of ACL). The case An admin is allowed to create Managers. These managers will be granted several permissions based on what the admin submits when creating the manager (note that the ...

permissions access-control

Thomas Owens

5:45 PM

I closed from the queue...I should reopen. You're right - it's not too broad since there's a standard.

I interpreted it as a resource request and something that has too many random answers.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens I just editted it too

Tried to better the title and clarify the question itself at the end. It's a fairly straight forward narrow scoped well defined question, even if it is a bit of a "name this thing"

@ThomasOwens note why it was in the queue as well given who put the first CV on it..

Thomas Owens

Yeah. I've been deleting from the queue because deleting from questions has been crashing chrome. Think it's a work proxy thing.

Or I need to update Chrome at work since it blocks the auto update.

Duga

Seems like a question that is better suited for programmers.stackexchange.com — Vincent Savard 28 secs ago

Ampt

6:05 PM

@JimmyHoffa Aw I love you too buddy

Aaron Hall

Beware the advice of successful people; they do not seek company. - Scott Adams

Ampt

@ThomasOwens you code lying down?!

Aaron Hall

dilbert.com/strip/1995-05-13

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa you're not even old you friggin hipster

"I had bad knees before it was cool"

Thomas Owens

@Ampt Yeah. I sprawl out and put my laptop in front of me.

Ampt

6:10 PM

@ThomasOwens like at work?

for 8 hours?

Thomas Owens

@Ampt Rarely at work. And not for 8 hours at a time.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt true, though I'm grasping at straws for explanations here; I really would be hurting at working in strange positions as described. As for my knees, well that's not age so much as damage.

Thomas Owens

I have my 1:1 with my manager in 17 minutes...I still haven't seen my performance review. WTF.

Aaron Hall

Good luck!

Thomas Owens

It was supposed to be completed last month.

Jimmy Hoffa

6:14 PM

@ThomasOwens bending my neck like that to look up at a screen when laying down kills my neck. Maybe I just have crappy joints. I never were able to sit cross legged even when they asked for it in school as a lad

Ampt

he's altered the review. pray he doesn't alter it further.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt amazon.com/Altered-States-William-Hurt/dp/6305133131

Thomas Owens

@Ampt It was supposed to be frozen last month. HR had until the beginning of this month to do spot checks on them.

Aaron Hall

Just remember to negotiate the outcome of your reviews in advance the next time you're interviewing for a job. :)

Ampt

@ThomasOwens obviously they didn't spot check you

@AaronHall yeah I demanded only sig-above reviews during negotiation and they countered with at least above on all reviews. Worked pretty well

Aaron Hall

6:17 PM

That's a lesson they don't teach in college, I think.

Thomas Owens

@Ampt I don't know what those words mean. Sig-above?

Can you elaborate on your process?

enderland

I think he's being cheeky, but it never works when you have to explain your cheekyness

Ampt

no, our rankings are simple: Does not meet expectations, below, on par, above, significantly above peers

it's a peer based ranking

Thomas Owens

Ours are like that, except against objectives. You and your manager agree to the objectives at the start of the year and then you surpass them, meet them, or are below them.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt ranked by peers, or against peers? Because against peers isn't called "peer based", that's stack ranking, they're just using a different term to stay away from the toxic meaning of stack ranking while still doing it

StackExchange

6:25 PM

Stack Overflow: The Architecture - 2016 Edition

Nick Craver on February 17, 2016

The first in a long series of posts on Stack Overflow’s architecture.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa against

although apparently theres a new system they're doing this year - objective based

which, IMO just encourages people to game the system and set really low objectives. IDK

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt so you don't get to do SMART yet?

Ampt

we'll see

I'm not smart any year unfortunately.

Jimmy Hoffa

heh, all of those stupid things are stupid.

Ampt

whatever, I got a Sig above and a fat raise so I'm over it

Jimmy Hoffa

6:27 PM

Either a company acts on them which is bloody horrible (cut bottom 10% ranked people, ick ick), or as per usual, doesn't- so the whole thing is a pointless effort wasting time for no reason.

Bonuses are oft based on those rankings. It's all a silly mess though.

Ampt

I just do the job they put in front of me while keeping up appearances of caring about the HR crap

Jimmy Hoffa

haha yeah, again I ask, why do I bother? Oh someBool = someOtherBool ? true : false; you taunt me with a reality I wish to dismiss ever so much..

strengthsfinder.com/home.aspx

^^^ BLECH

Ampt

Be better if you flipped true and false and pretended you didn't know what the NOT operator was

Jimmy Hoffa

had to do that at one job, talk about stupid pseudo-nonsense, they may as well given out the MBTI and correlated it with people's horoscopes and chinese birth year.

Don't be so hot to trot for Gallup or any of those orgs.. Pearson's the largest testing organization in the world and any honest reading of their practices will disturb you beyond belief, but they still hold up a fanciful image.

Ampt

Nah, Gallup is actually pretty decent from everything I've heard and read.

Jimmy Hoffa

6:33 PM

What's the name of that other industry analysis firm as big as Gallup my boss is always going on about...

Gartner

Screw them too from what I've seen. Bunch of marketing nonsense pretending to be market analysis. Evoke people's sense of personal value ("if you pay attention to this, it proves you are far above average intelligence!") and you can get them to parrot your bullshit all day.

3 hours ago, by enderland

@JimmyHoffa so cynical. :)

Ampt

Really? Have you looked at any of Gallups stuff? They're pretty stats based

Aaron Hall

If a sock can negotiate it...

Ampt

I've had quite a few Stats profs swear by Gallups findings as Statistically sound and valid.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt lies, damned lies, and... well, surely nobody simplified their analysis of a data set to affirm some executives desired beliefs.. There's no money in that game at all.

HAH!

glhfggkthxbye

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa bai*

Aaron Hall

6:37 PM

If you're anonymous, why do you keep removing such innocuous stuff?

Unless your firm knows who you are...

which they would...

Ampt

because I'm not anonymous. If you know where to look through these messages you could probably figure out where I work and who I am

I HAVE REAL BIG SPY SECRETS OK

enderland

Strengthsfinder is interesting to me

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland So too are horoscopes. The whole thing smells of Toni Robbins-esque life-solutions jiggery pokery.

enderland

idk. I found it insightful about how I work in a way that a lot of other personality things didn't

Ampt

9 mins ago, by Jimmy Hoffa

3 hours ago, by enderland

@JimmyHoffa so cynical. :)

Jimmy Hoffa

6:55 PM

Positive psychology

Positive psychology is the branch of psychology that uses scientific understanding and effective intervention to aid in the achievement of a satisfactory life, rather than treating mental illness. The focus of positive psychology is on personal growth rather than on pathology, as is common among other frameworks within the field of psychology. == Overview == The "positive" branch complements, without intention to replace or ignore, the traditional areas of psychology. By adding an important emphasis to use the scientific method to study and determine positive human development, this area ...

(links to "Criticism" anchor)

apparently that's the underpinning of Gallups whole concept there as they've actively pushed a lot of research on the field

StrengthsFinder being one piece of all the stuff Gallup is doing regarding it

The power of positive psychology (Gallup)

Aaron Hall

sounds interesting

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