The Whiteboard

5:06 PM

@JimmyHoffa licenseNumberMatches is an Expression<Func<TLeft, TRight, bool>>. cacheRecord is a TLeft, licenseCandidate is a TRight. PostVerify is just a black box extension method. It does some database magic behind the scenes.

The rule looks like this:

        var licenseNumberMatches = Rule.Create<CacheRecord, LicenseCandidate>((cache, license) => cache.RegistrationNumber == license.LicenseNumber);

Jimmy Hoffa

So your issue is you want to carry a message with the failure, but your rules engine only handles bool and not SomeResultType { Success, FailureMessage } ?

Robert Harvey

That's part of it, yes.

Jimmy Hoffa

Because you should be able to just .and your licenseNumberMatches rule with other rules and it'll halt when one turns false

Robert Harvey

I wanted to keep the rules themselves "pure." I'm not good enough at expression trees to mix in additional metadata.

Jimmy Hoffa

so this is the distinction between in Haskell what's known as the Maybe monad and the Either (or Exception) monad. The maybe you get either success or failure, but Either gives you Success or Failure with a message; it has the ability to carry information on it's failure as opposed to Maybes failure is Nothing which carries .. nothing. Just like a bool gives you success or failure that carries no info

Robert Harvey

5:11 PM

Gotta learn me a Haskell.

Jimmy Hoffa

What you could do is dig into your rules engine and make it use some Result type you create

public class Result<TSuccess, TFailure> where TFailure : class { public TSuccess SuccesResult { get; set; } public TFailure FailureResult { get; set; } } }

use that instead of bool throughout and you know you're in failure if result.FailureResult != null

is the C# why of doing an exception monad instead of the maybe monad

alternatively, changing all of that now would plausibly be a pain for you.

Robert Harvey

I thought about that. But the original rules engine was peppered with things like Task<MyMothersApartment<UnitOfWork<T, TResult>>>. Sorta left a bad taste in my mouth.

And one of the design goals for this new engine was simplicity. The expression trees are already more complicated than I wanted.

Though they were fun to learn.

Jimmy Hoffa

public static WhateverTypePostVerifyReturns And<TLeft, TRight>(IEnumerable<Tuple<Expression<Func<TLeft, TRight, bool>>, string>> rulesWithMessages, record, candidate)
    foreach(var ruleWithMessage in rules)
         if (!Rule.Execute(ruleWithMessage.Item1, record, candidate, context.Logger, message = ruleWithMessage.Item2))
             return context.PostVerify(recird, candidate, VerificationResult.Failed, message);
}

Thomas Owens

Oh, @KitZ.Fox hasn't said anything. He's becoming wise in the ways of delivering software with both agility and discipline.

Kit Z. Fox

I'm arguing with a dev.

Jimmy Hoffa

5:20 PM

then

And(new[] { Tuple.Create(licenseRule, "License no go!"), Tuple.Create(sillyRule, "No silly! No!") }, cacheRecord, licenseCandidate)

will iterate your ruleset on that cache record and license candidate

Thomas Owens

Oh. Or that.

Chances are, he's probably wrong.

Ixrec

because he's not in this chatroom

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey yeah, it's unfortunate C# has to make dealing with optional results and optional values and such not simple. This is why Algebraic Data Types are feckin awesome

Kit Z. Fox

@ThomasOwens He went around me to solve the problem, so I needed to explain to him why his solution wouldn't work, and also to reassure him that we do not have urgency, so he can take some time to think things through.

I was real gentle about it.

Maybe.

Thomas Owens

Don't be gentle. Developers aren't eggs.

Ampt

5:29 PM

Speak for yourself

I demand to be whispered to

as if I'll fall over when the server fans kick in!

Thomas Owens

You are a consultant.

enderland

> Senior Junior Dev

Ampt

Pretty much that :)

I do codey things from 9-5 and bill the client like I'm a CEO

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Kit Z. Fox

I'm frustrated that this dev won't talk to me. Either he thinks I have nothing to contribute or he's terrified of me.

Jimmy Hoffa

like you're a CEO? So you just walk into the client's office, drop the invoice on the desk with a "Bitch, please." and swagger out?

Thomas Owens

5:33 PM

He's terrified of you. And he rightfully should be. You are the great and powerful BA.

Kit Z. Fox

@JimmyHoffa pfft Go to the CEO's office? Bitch please. You email that shit straight to AP from your cell while you're on your yacht.

@ThomasOwens Well, he's going to be more terrified if he don't start talking to me, because he was planning to workaround from a data feed that's deprecated and slated for deletion next week.

I'm all like honey, we don't need asap on this, just do it right.

enderland

@Ampt stuff like this makes me wonder why more people don't do independent consulting

since I'm preeeetttty sure you don't get the rate your company bills ;-)

MetaFight

Woot. You're looking at the proud new owner of this piece of broken nostalgia:

ebay.co.uk/itm/taito-phoenix-arcade-machine-1970s-80s-/…

Thomas Owens

@KitZ.Fox Can you delete it now?

Because that would help you out greatly. Why put off for later what is helpful for now.

Kit Z. Fox

It's dependent on a release, so no.

I already gave him a sample file for the new feed. He decided he didn't want that.

Jimmy Hoffa

5:41 PM

@enderland tons of reasons. Independent consultants are rarely acceptable vendors for lots of large corps. Pooled insurance benefits are vastly cheaper than independent insurance. The public exchanges may change a bit of the calculus for a ton of people regarding that. Getting into independent consulting gigs though can be a mess- lots of places even if they allow paying independent consultants won't do it because they'll interview the person and say "Fuck it, work for us or scram."

Kit Z. Fox

Billing. Not getting paid.

Jimmy Hoffa

Getting your foot in the door is a wholey separate skill set from actual productive work too, one many people don't have.

also even if you don't have much to do, when you're working on salary you still get paid.

Kit Z. Fox

You don't have to manage all your withholdings and stuff if you're an employee.

Liability.

There are a lot of disadvantages to consulting, which is justification for charging a bunch of money.

enderland

@JimmyHoffa yeah, my company won't let me do contract work with them by myself even though I am THE sme on the stuff I was working for before... I guess it seems a bit sily to me though

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland Fiefdom. People setup rules around who can and can't do work and what/how they can or can't do work, because it allows them a modicum of control and power. Authority. Many people do all sorts of things to get their hands on those traits in businesses because they feel having Authority/Power provide an amount of safety and capacity for self determination. It's based on a 2-choice perspective: Either you give orders or follow orders, and no choice inbetween exists

Producers recognize a 3rd choice: Create enough value that nobody wants to mess with you. The Goose that lays the golden egg choice if you will.

But lots of people have a focus more on organization and people than actual crafting. It's just not an available option to them, their only way of providing value is via organizing others into an ideally greater aggregate. Lots of times they get confused and think the organizing is the cause of 100% of the resultant value rather than realizing it's simply a modifier and it can be negative or positive.

enderland

5:55 PM

@JimmyHoffa I think for my (now previous :o) company it's a matter of "if we go through standard suppliers we will save money! who cares about whether or not better people should get paid more, we save money by hiring ~~in bulk~~ err ~~the cheapest folks~~ err whatever!"

Robert Harvey

Hmm, it turns out that this also works:

        if (!Rule.Execute((cache, license) => cache.RegistrationNumber == license.LicenseNumber, cacheRecord, licenseCandidate, context.Logger, message = "License Number must match"))
            return context.PostVerify(cacheRecord, licenseCandidate, GetType().Name, VerificationResult.Failed, message);

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland exactly: Someone gets to attempt to create value by making the decisions about who can and can't consult there rather than ceding that decision to others. They think it'll give them the ability to create value through their high quality organizational and people skills. They don't realize the value created by giving people greater choices would be better, or they don't care because they want to ensure they get the credit for all positive vendor results.

but they get to tout how they're saving money by ensuring a fixed set of vendors is used. See how much value they created? If they didn't institute those rules they wouldn't have been able to add so much value!

??? @ today's Google Doodle

Robert Harvey

Mmm... Peppers.

Jimmy Hoffa

I'm not one to decry a good pepper, but.. I lost the mini-game and I don't get it :(

Robert Harvey

You have to click when the back and forth thingy is in the center.

Jimmy Hoffa

6:07 PM

@RobertHarvey oh, always center? No, I totally didn't get that. Fail.

Robert Harvey

I was ranked extremely hot.

Jimmy Hoffa

I thought for hotter peppers I was supposed to click further in the red zone

it didn't work well

Robert Harvey

Yeah, it took me awhile to figure that out.

Kit Z. Fox

I can't figure out why I want this report.

enderland

@JimmyHoffa me too hah

Kit Z. Fox

6:11 PM

Screw it. I can't write why then I don't need it. crumples user story and tosses it out the window

gnat

If someone "wants to learn how to bake a cake" just get her some basic advice and a direction to go and she will be happy and thankful.. Anyone who has some Python experience could easily throw in some helpful advice. Why are you so concerned? I'm just glad that Akira71 could do it before the censoring squad stepped in. It's just sad. — le0m 8 mins ago

^^^ just gimme answerz to my questionz

Jimmy Hoffa

@gnat this comment (out of context anyways) reads like a feckin' markov chain heh

enderland

@JimmyHoffa you monster

Robert Harvey

You love the fact that the business owners like the word "Scrum."

enderland

wow

quick cash in on it before they change their minds!

Kit Z. Fox

6:21 PM

She's never going to get that, but I love that she offered.

She was working me hard and I can't say I minded it. I forgot to mention that I'm level 1 and have zero authority to make decisions.

So I flattered her back.

@RobertHarvey I love the fact that I could tell my manager that.

My review is next week.

Thomas Owens

6:36 PM

I love the SEI.

enderland

@ThomasOwens I like the way the authors are listed. lol

Thomas Owens

In a \

enderland

yeah

Robert Harvey

@JimmyHoffa Type inference on generics is awesome.

Kit Z. Fox

I figured out how to write user stories for data feeds. :D

user41796

6:50 PM

As an electron, I want ...

Kit Z. Fox

As a developer, I want to receive data about pricing relationships from [datasource] so that I can display the correct label on the product spec sheet. Or something to that effect.

Thomas Owens

Kick off meeting time.

Kit Z. Fox

Good luck.

Thomas Owens

The work that was promised has started to come in.

user41796

@KitZ.Fox props, well done

Kit Z. Fox

6:55 PM

Well, better than bad, right?

user41796

user41796

> As a developer, I want to receive data about pricing relationships from [foo] so that I can keep the BA off of my back.

Kit Z. Fox

haha

user41796

That's all I got

user41796

So you win

Kit Z. Fox

6:57 PM

As a developer, I want Kit to stop talking to me so that I don't have to change my pants ten times a day.

user41796

Depends might help with that then

Kit Z. Fox

You still have to change those when they are soiled, you know.

They don't allow you to just sit around in your own filth.

user41796

Where's the value in that then?

user41796

As a slovenly slob, I want ...

Kit Z. Fox

So you don't have to change your clothes as well.

user41796

7:00 PM

I guess slovenly slob is a bit redundant

user41796

But it really does drive home a point

user15026

Yeah, say you're going for emphasis over redundancy, then it works :P

user41796

I'm happy with it. < harumph >

Kit Z. Fox

I think it describes the particular type of slob.

I think you could be a slob without necessarily being slovenly.

Now I will spend some time thinking on this.

user15026

That's true, I can see an argument for that.

user41796

7:02 PM

ELU nerd sniping FTW

user41796

In other news, I have been wanting to try out new restaurants for a variety of different reasons. Today was the second experiment, and I'm quite happy with the results.

user15026

What kind of place did you try? :)

user41796

Today was a semi-fast food'ish Mexican place

user41796

They had chili rellenos for a lunch special, so that's what I went with

user41796

Pretty tasty and they didn't skimp on making sure the veggies were fresh

Kit Z. Fox

7:06 PM

mmm. sounds good.

user41796

flavorful salsa except that it had no heat

user15026

That sounds tasty.

user41796

I'll go back and ask for the non-gringo salsa next time

Kit Z. Fox

I have a date tonight to go to the local place. They serve a varied menu. Last time was Mexican. I don't know what's on tonight.

user15026

Mexican is one of the food-types that I've not really had success finding here. :(

user41796

7:07 PM

@KitZ.Fox I'd be confused by a place that serves a varied menu like that

user15026

(Well, I can find tacos kinda, but they're usually closer to Taco Bell style junk than actual tacos)

Kit Z. Fox

@GlenH7 It's a fantastic hole-in-the-wall diner for the rest of the week. They serve fancy dinner on Friday nights in the winter.

user41796

I suspect you're not in the "right part" of town to make it easy to find those authentic restaurants

user15026

@KitZ.Fox That's rather awesome.

Kit Z. Fox

I have an awesome life right now. Nothing but first world problems.

user41796

7:09 PM

I'm all in favor of hole-in-the-wall places. They tend to have the best food

Kit Z. Fox

The chefs are lovers of food.

user15026

@GlenH7 I can find anything Asian with little difficulty, but that's really all my city offers in any visible way.

Kit Z. Fox

So their breakfast menu is basic and tastes PHENOMENAL.

user41796

@KitZ.Fox Those are the best kind. Some of the guys in the on-site cafeteria simply don't give a sh!t about what they're serving. And it really shows.

user15026

@GlenH7 This is my rule. The more of a hole in the wall it is, the better the chances of something ridiculously amazing going into my mouth.

user41796

7:10 PM

I go out of my way to avoid those offerings if I see any of those cooks

user41796

@AshleyNunn They must have all been drawn to the big city a bit North of you.

user15026

@GlenH7 Yeeeeep.

user15026

KW is decent sized, but Toronto is the bigger draw for sure.

user15026

I mean we're working on making us more interesting (and with places like Google, it's kinda working? Though the LRT construction is both drawing people and closing businesses as it screws up stuff)

enderland

@KitZ.Fox every time you talk about where you live it makes me want to live there. hahah

Kit Z. Fox

7:14 PM

Sounds like you should move here.

Sounds like we're hiring at my place of business.

user41796

I have never lived in a town of that size, nor anything even remotely close

user41796

"smallest" place I've lived had a population > 500k

user15026

@KitZ.Fox Sadly, as much as I'd like to live somewhere that awesome...medical stuff prevents me from being American, as it were.

Kit Z. Fox

Geezis, that's half the population of my state.

user15026

My hometown has less than 100 people in it. :P

Kit Z. Fox

7:16 PM

@AshleyNunn Well, we go over the border all the time.

And we know how to do head surgery here, you know.

user41796

The other metro areas were 1.5M, 2M, and 3.2M

user15026

@KitZ.Fox Yes but you want so much MONEY to open up my skull

Kit Z. Fox

@AshleyNunn Hell, I'll do it for a keg of your best homebrew.

How's that for cheap?

user41796

And a decent chunk of time visiting 9M and 13M sized metro areas

Kit Z. Fox

You would have a hard time adjusting to small town life.

user15026

7:19 PM

@KitZ.Fox I see no problems with that :)

user41796

@KitZ.Fox I really would

user41796

I like having 5 groceries stores within a trivial drive to choose from

user41796

And multiple hardware stores, or other shopping aspects

user41796

I like that we've got a couple of professional sports teams, but I'm not a big fan of pro sports anyway

Kit Z. Fox

It's not just the selection of stores. It's also the selection of goods. There are some things you just can't buy around here.

user41796

7:21 PM

And I love that my city has competing tiers of BBQ restaurants

Kit Z. Fox

I would have to go all the way to Boston to buy a Tesla sedan, for instance.

user41796

That's a bit of a long slog for a basic necessity...

user41796

Although speaking of 1WP

user41796

Yikes

Kit Z. Fox

Damn. And even telling you that gives you a really good indication of where I live.

Jimmy Hoffa

7:23 PM

@GlenH7 is American BBQ unique to America? It's interesting, because of our diversity there's a very small number of foods that are uniquely common in America. One of them to my understanding is Biscuits (I believe). The closest you get outside the states from my understanding is typically a croissant, but it's really not the same thing at all.

Kit Z. Fox

BBQ is highly variable.

Jimmy Hoffa

Most American foods can be found outside of America, but to my knowledge not the biscuit. Wonder if you can get anything like BBQ ribs outside America.

user41796

@KitZ.Fox I was about to rattle off some of the high end places in my city that I haven't been to, but that would have had the same effect

user41796

@JimmyHoffa My experience is no, American BBQ is unique to the US

user41796

especially the sauces

Kit Z. Fox

7:25 PM

Realistically, there are three shopping locations in my state: Portland, Augusta, and Bangor.

user41796

Other cultures have similar methods of slow cooking the meat, but they aren't identical

Jimmy Hoffa

Yeah, the sauces specifically for sure. There's not a lot of foods in America you can't get outside of here, but that's interesting to note another.

Kit Z. Fox

Maybe Lewi-burn.

user15026

I grew up in a very small town - my city now is like 300K (if you just pick Kitchener, iirc), I don't think I could be happy in anything smaller. (and ideally I want to move to Toronto at some point)

user15026

(but that is a big scary change that I haven't worked up the oomph to try for yet)

Jimmy Hoffa

7:26 PM

@GlenH7 yeah, the meat cooking techniques aren't supremely novel, but the flavor being aimed for - like you said especially with the sauces - is relatively so.

user41796

@AshleyNunn Toronto is about as big as you can get in N. America. But 'burbs are 'burbs

Jimmy Hoffa

Mustard is a well used spice in other cultures, I wonder if you could find a cooked meat dish that's rubbed with Mustard fairly similar to a Carolina BBQ in flavor

user41796

Unless you're wanting to live in the city, which I'm personally not a big fan of

user15026

@GlenH7 I'd want to live in the city proper.

Kit Z. Fox

@JimmyHoffa There's an Indian dish that's similar.

user41796

7:27 PM

@JimmyHoffa I'm willing to bet yes with either an Indian or Chinese dish

user41796

@AshleyNunn Bleh. Rent before considering buying. I've lived in downtown areas before and ... meh.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I was actually thinking more Eurasian or possibly North African... Now I'm going to have to look up where Mustard is heavily used..

user41796

I don't know of any other culture that specifically tries to infuse a smokey flavor to slow cooked meats.

user15026

@GlenH7 Oh, yeah, it would definitely be renting

user15026

I mean a lot of this is dependent on how @WorldEngineer and I work out things in terms of him being here more than you know, once a year

user41796

7:29 PM

@AshleyNunn A friend of mine lived close to the city proper and moved out to the burbs as soon as he could once he started a family

user15026

@GlenH7 That tends to happen, in my experience. (At least, it's happened that way for a number of friends)

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 whaa?? That's not altogether uncommon at all. I think maybe it came from France because the places coming to mind immediately are those that have received french colonial influences: Vietnamese and Carribean off hand

user41796

@JimmyHoffa That hasn't been my experience

Jimmy Hoffa

I remember in the Dominican Republic walking down the street and seeing somebody had like a mini-dumpster in their front yard made out of like holed-metal-grating, with a whole pig sitting in the middle of a pile of hot coals; Was like a pig-coal-sandwich.

And it smelled bloody fantastic

user41796

I'd argue that the smokey flavor was a convenient byproduct and not an intentional aspect of the cooking

user15026

7:32 PM

This makes me want decent barbecue now.

user41796

@AshleyNunn You're welcome to come visit

user15026

@GlenH7 I fully plan to take you up on that at some point, when my vacation days aren't focused on the fact @WorldEngineer is still too dang far away.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 iduno, I figure if something's a byproduct of a particular cultural approach to cooking something that it's a part of the goal, otherwise they'd change the way they cook things to get rid of that flavor

user41796

@AshleyNunn Call it splitting the travel distance?

Kit Z. Fox

@AshleyNunn You can come visit me too!

user41796

7:33 PM

@JimmyHoffa So, I think the guy in DR was cooking that way because that's what he had that was convenient. Or said another way, if he had a cheaper or more convenient way to cook, he'd jump on it immediately

user15026

@GlenH7 Oooh, I like the way you think. :)

user41796

Whereas when you look at any of the major BBQ competitions, they've got custom built smoking rigs to concentrate the smoke flavor (and indirect heat) in the meat chamber of their cooking trailers

user15026

@KitZ.Fox That would be fun too!

Ampt

@enderland Pretty much what Jimmy said - sure, my take home rate is x, my total compensation is 3x and they pimp me out for 6x, BUT they line up my work for me, take care of legal shit, provide credibility, give me training so I can correctly do the job, blah blah blah.

user15026

@KitZ.Fox and you're not impossibly far from me, if I remember where things are in America (which I am horrendous at)

Kit Z. Fox

7:35 PM

I'm about 12 hours from Toronto, iirc.

By car.

user41796

@Ampt Not to mention that large contracts negotiate blended rates that are well below initial rack rates.

user15026

@KitZ.Fox You're not far at all! :D

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 no, fire cooking whole pig is a regional thing to that part of the Carribean, that's why a Cuban sandwich is typically made from pulled pork.

Ampt

My dad was an independent contractor (in general construction mind you) when I was little, so I've seen that world - where some months are so busy he's turning down jobs, to the next where no one is spending money. This is especially true in corporate america where the beginning of the fiscal year means $$$$$$$$$$$$ and the end means that they're cutting contracts like paula deen doles out butter

user41796

@Ampt I'd definitely agree with that

Jimmy Hoffa

7:38 PM

it was something like that, except it was an entire pig flattened inside

user41796

@JimmyHoffa shakes head, mutters "not a proper smoker"

Ampt

Don't get me wrong, my dad made out pretty well, and I would expect I could do the same too - but there's a lot of extra work beyond sitting down and coding for 8 hours that I'm not necessarily chomping at the bit to do

user41796

@JimmyHoffa on a similar note, have you seen the smokers that can fit a whole pig? The pork comes out dang tasty then

user41796

@Ampt I have never had the itch to deal with that aspect

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 ohhh smoker yeah that's a different thing. I thought you meant the smokey flavor regarding the slow-fire-roasting. The way we smoke meats is definitely not the same.

user41796

7:40 PM

Yes, that was my point from earlier

user41796

I have never seen an american style smoker outside of the US

user41796

Arguably, there are similar things like those green egg things.

user41796

As those are pretty comparable to tandoor ovens

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt speaking of cutting contracts, there's ample stories of large corps just not paying independent contractors or dicking them around on that because they know they can out-lawyer them. Used to work with a guy who said when he was at GM he saw the bureaucracy there had purposeful bits built in to make it easier to agree to pay but then not have the authority to sign the check for contractors.

user15026

Now I want copious piles of meat all smokey and delicious. But sadly, there's nowhere to get that close to work, so it will be tomorrow before I can make that happen (because they'll be closed by the time I get home tonight)

enderland

7:43 PM

@KitZ.Fox hah, something like that... closer to our families would be helpful ;-)

@MichaelT has already been working on that, too... since he is in probably our future locale, roughly

Jimmy Hoffa

He said he felt bad, saw many people do work and then get nothing or have to spend months banging their way through the bureaucratic chain just to get what the contract demanded

user15026

But I think tomorrow night I might order me a pile of delicious smokey meatstuff.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa ain't that the rub everywhere

Kit Z. Fox

coughs

Ampt

if there's one good thing about working for a mega corp, it's knowing that they have a literal army of lawyers employed solely to stop that kind of shit

Jimmy Hoffa

7:45 PM

@Ampt yeah, he said managers would go to finance and say "Look we already agreed to pay this, you guys signed off on hiring them, now they need to be paid" and get told "Well, this doesn't fit our current months budget so I'm not signing the check, my hands are tied and you don't have the authority to sign it. Deal."

@Ampt yeah, and anyone they consult with knows what shit storm will be coming if they don't make good.

user41796

@AshleyNunn If you're willing to pay exorbitant rates, one of the top rated local chains here will ship. Quality isn't as far off from in-restaurant as you might expect.

user55340

@enderland so what am I doing?

Jimmy Hoffa

Why did I just get this song stuck in my head?

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa oh man, look at all this code I won't be checking in til I get this paycheck. Be a real shame if your whole project was a month and a half behind schedule cuz we couldn't get one little signature

Jimmy Hoffa

david bowie - changes

►

I don't know. But now it can be stuck in your heads too.

user15026

7:48 PM

@GlenH7 There's a place in town that does a pretty good job of it, so I will likely go there after work tomorrow.

user15026

(There's also a chain place that will deliver but it, obviously, is not as good)

enderland

@MichaelT working on convinging me to move to WI

@AshleyNunn I particularly like bbq in a crock pot

user15026

Very Canadian thing - my boss keeps saying "Timbit of information" instead of "tidbit" and it makes me giggle.

user15026

@enderland Got any good recipes? I don't use my crock pot nearly enough.

Kit Z. Fox

mmm, TimBits.

@AshleyNunn I have one for pork carnitas. Pretty tasty. Stew beef chili too.

Robert Harvey

7:57 PM

Customer, Administrator and Bank are too skinny. — user61852 7 mins ago

Kit Z. Fox

hahaha

enderland

@AshleyNunn for bbq, personal preference matters a lot too :-)

user15026

@KitZ.Fox I knew I liked you! Share? <3

Kit Z. Fox

@AshleyNunn Hmm, maybe. What do you have?

:D

enderland

we like taking fattier ribs and throwing them in the crock pot with a mix of tomatoes and brown sugar and onion

Kit Z. Fox

7:59 PM

Oh, quitting time. Have a nice weekend all!

user15026

@KitZ.Fox Oh, I see how it is. ;)

enderland

and a mix of whatever bbq sauce you like (less if you have more bbq sauce)

user41796

@KitZ.Fox I thought I heard a loud whistle from somewhere

user41796

Hellooooooooo headphones

user15026

8:15 PM

@enderland I have some spare ribs in my freezer, I think I should do that.

enderland

@AshleyNunn we like doing full crock pot with spare ribs, since they are fattier

with leaner ribs you can precook them partially in a crock pot, then bake them and liberally apply bbq sauce, bake a bit, and reapply and get the very thick gooy bbq sauce that's wonderful

user114359

@enderland heathen! The only way to prepare ribs is to smoke them for 6-12 hours, then brush on BBQ sauce and grill on high heat to carmelize it.

enderland

4 mins ago, by enderland

with leaner ribs you can precook them partially in a crock pot, then bake them and liberally apply bbq sauce, bake a bit, and reapply and get the very thick gooy bbq sauce that's wonderful

spare ribs are fatty enough that they turn absolutely delicious in a crock pot in a way babyback don't

don't ruin babyback by not doing what @Snowman said though haha

user114359

All ribs need to be smoked

user114359

How long is up for discussion, however:

user114359

8:28 PM

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Q: Smoking without wood chips

I am smoking baby back ribs using an electric vertical smoker. Given that most food absorbs smoke for an hour or two before saturating, what will happen if I stop adding wood chips after about two hours? Will I get the same result as if I continued to add wood chips, given that the ribs are unli...

user20683

9:27 PM

@AshleyNunn koreanbapsang.com/2015/03/slow-cooker-korean-pork-ribs.html

user20683

Ribs of evil ;)

user15026

@WorldEngineer Hmmm, that looks pretty delicious :D

user15026

(and nicely evil, would help my cold :P)

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 according to this the common cultures to use mustard are Indian, German, Scandinavian

The fact that it mentions none of the eastern block when you consider polish mustard though I have a hard to believing

user41796

@JimmyHoffa That article ignores almost all of the Asia-Pacific rim...

Ampt

9:38 PM

What's that? @AshleyNunn is making ribs?

yum!

user41796

road trip!

user15026

@Ampt Sister's boyfriend gave me a meat pile again, part of it is spare ribs so yeah, probably

user15026

I also have deer sausages, not sure how to cook those, but I am sure the internet will tell me tasty ways to eat them

Ampt

When should we be there?

Venison sausages? Those are amazing

same with venison jerky

user41796

@AshleyNunn venison does better with slower / indirect cooking methods

user15026

9:40 PM

@GlenH7 so slow cooker? :D

user41796

Given what you likely have available, yes

user41796

Otherwise, I'd opt for smoking them

Ixrec

wow, we have a lot of delete votes on quickly-closed questions today, it's oddly difficult to find ones worth spending my votes on

user15026

@GlenH7 Unfortunately, I lack the stuff for that

user41796

I suspected as much

Ixrec

9:41 PM

(for those unfamiliar with delete voting, I don't want to waste my votes on questions that are guaranteed to get roomba'd soon anyway)

user41796

@Ixrec Some (MichaelT, gnat) like to see the egregious ones disappear quickly so they can't be used to justify additional ~~crap~~ low quality questions.

Ixrec

yep, and they have far more delete votes than I do

user41796

And if I see some that offend my delicate sensibilities, I'll drop a VTD on them too

Ixrec

sometimes I throw mine at amazingly terribad stuff too, though usually that stuff is gone before I'm allowed to vote on it

in general I feel better spending those votes on the old broken window NPR questions

such as "How do you bill your procrastination?"

enderland

what is it with media pages and spamming the "like our page!" or "subscribe!" full screen ads nearly always now

I guess i'd prefer that to autoplay content/ads, but... seriously

user41796

9:45 PM

@enderland LIKE US BEFORE WE GO BANKRUPT!!! PLEASE! PLEASE! WE'RE BEGGING HERE!!!

Ixrec

there are many pages I've instinctively closed because they threw way too much junk between me and the content I went there for

enderland

@Ixrec yeah, no joke

user41796

Trying to say it screams a bit of desperation?

Ampt

@enderland uBlock Origin, friend

Ixrec

okay I'm literally out of questions to delete vote

guess I'll nuke some of the recent ones

Jimmy Hoffa

9:48 PM

@Ampt you should scrounge gaming hardware somehow. Wife and kid gone all next week, shoot some zeds.

just start taping your components to eachother until they play video games, I'm sure you have a pile of many many components. Make a frankencomputer.

Ampt

I'm trying man

I'm getting the new mobo either tonight or tomorrow morning

and if all goes well I'll have a functional computer come sunday

I'm just air cooling at the moment

I've got a spare CoolerMaster Evo 212 I'm using for the CPU, and I put one of the stock gfx card coolers back on

It's definitely not ideal, but should be good enough to shoot some zed

Jimmy Hoffa

heh 250tdp kepler... I welcome the efficient chip future where I no longer give any thought whatsoever to the cooling approaches. I think they even got passive cooling on some of the Maxwells. Mine's all of 60 TDP

user20683

Deer sausage? Baste in beer and cook in grease

user20683

@AshleyNunn see above

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa Why do people always assume it's about cooling capacity

the air coolers that came with the cards work fantastic

so long as you don't suffocate one of them with the other

which is kind of a problem when you have two :P

I water cool because it's dead silent and never has any chance of getting above 40C

Jimmy Hoffa

9:54 PM

@Ampt yes but you don't like them because they're loud, but the root cause of the whole problem is a 250w TDP

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa I mean considering the efficiency of even 2 generations before that, it's really pretty fantastic

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt eh? What's 2 generations before Kepler? hmm...

Ampt

500 series

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt that's 1 generation, those are Fermi

Ampt

but 2 marketing generations :P

Jimmy Hoffa

9:56 PM

meh, has no effect on the efficiency difference.

> Kepler is the codename for a GPU microarchitecture developed by Nvidia as the successor to the Fermi microarchitecture. Kepler is Nvidia's first microarchitecture to focus on energy efficiency.

Ampt

see?

mine are efficient

Jimmy Hoffa

so yeah, better than fermi but still..250.. Maxwell's mostly well below that save for the Titan. And to be sure, 250w is actually higher than all 500 series except for the 590

higher TDP than anything in the 600 series except the Titan

Ampt

250 is in line with the successors to my card

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