@JimmyHoffa They gave me a label maker to label some binders and such at work. I put /dev/null on my trashcan. The label fell off, though.

@JimmyHoffa Not /dev/null, just /dev/willneverseeagain

@Snowman how does it feel to be a bum

@Snowman I consider taking a nap to be the epitome of productivity

[goes to take nap]

@RobertHarvey Was your name always blue in here?

I've been a moderator for five years or so.

I ask because chat.SO and chat.SE are separate, or so I thought

@ThomasOwens @GlenH7 Is your name blue on Chat.SO? Was it always?

Pretty sure the chat privileges carry over.

Though the meta privileges don't. I'm a mod only on meta.stackoverflow.com

@GlenH7 Test please

For your name to be blue, you need to have your chat profile linked to your mod profile.

On chat.se, it looks like you can point your chat account to any network account. On chat.so, it looks like your chat account must be pointed to your SO account.

Therefore, SO mods have blue names and chat mod rights everywhere. SE mods only have mod rights on chat.SE (everything but the SO chats).

So SO mods are blue everywhere but SE mods aren't blue on SO.

I'm quite grateful for that.

@MichaelT He can have them. :P

rightfold. Figures.

@RobertHarvey ?

@RobertHarvey Yeah, that's the one I flagged ;)

All they do in there is throw spears anyway.

The problem is that there isn't a more sane C++ room that actually talks about, you know, C++.

Can you use C++ and "sanity" in the same sentence?

Everytime I go in there and ask about C++ they go "Don't bother learning it. You'll be unhappy for the rest of your days."

Which pretty much describes the state of mind of everyone in there.

> Programming in C++ has been known to cause sanity in previously insane rats.

You didn't say the sentence had to be true

it's all undefined behavior... it could be a toggle switch. We will never know.

@RobertHarvey it's not their fault, their language is mostly made of sticks and dung, spears are the only meaningful tools they've got

Very elaborate, overengineered sticks and dung.

@JimmyHoffa C++ or the language they use in Lounge<C+plus>?

@psr fair point.

There's a difference?

@durron597 so how's short timer syndrome treating you?

@JimmyHoffa Sure. It goes back to the Tapir-Wolf hypothesis. If you go into Lounge<C+plus> you will feel like a Tapir being eaten by Wolves.

@psr I thought the Tapir-Wolf hypothesis said that if you dress a Tapir like a Wolf it'll turn into a cannibal and loses it's soul as it slowly becomes a Wendigo

@Snowman I genuinely use this sort of disclaimer rather often... Just today I sent an e-mail to IT telling them a few features I added to a script for them with a parenthetical at the end of each one (unless it doesn't)

I just did a search for "Potato paradox" (a phenomenon that occurs very frequently in software performance optimizations), and no results turn up in programmers.stackexchange.com. I wonder if this speaks something about the audience of this site? Maybe the really good programmers were being turned away from this site, and instead stick with stackoverflow?

@Snowman T-SQL, I just like to be type checkable in my statements. It's like throws RuntimeException

you know, having done a bunch of software performance optimizations, I've never heard of that.

@rwong I'll just continue to presume that "potato paradox" is in software optimization when you must make things highly optimized, but too optimal and you'll create GladOS.

Apparently when you run a unit test in MSTEST, it locks the target DLL. Which means that you can't do a build if you open a second instance of the project under test.

@MichaelT I take it you put yourself in that "super coders" category?

@JimmyHoffa my motivation to get anything done is super low.

@MichaelT Eric Lippert impresses me more than Teh Skeet. Jon is no slouch, but he's been letting his sentient bot answer questions for him for some time now.

@JimmyHoffa my motivation to help the junior guy be able to do my job is actually quite high, but the problem is I don't think teaching him stuff is the right thing to do, I need to teach him how to solve problems related to our crappy third party provider

teaching someone how to approach problems is much harder than teaching them facts

@durron597 fancy that. This is a completely unheard of occurrence; we should study it closer. Have you drank coffee? Perhaps you need to watch more horror movies; surely that will solve your problem. If not, just work on type checking various fix point combinators. That always fixes things. See how many constructions of monoids you can come up with for nullary, unary, binary, and n-ary kinded sets.

@JimmyHoffa I haven't even given notice yet, I'm waiting for background check to clear per advice of this room

@durron597 wise, also painful right about now I'm sure. That stinks.

I should just tell them that I know this super trustworthy guy named @GlenH7 that will verify everything I say

they don't need to waste money on the background check

@GlenH7 they said 5-7

though robert said earlier that his was only 3 days

I wonder why Amazon's is slower.

speaking of @RobertHarvey now that you're a few months in, how are you holding up with regard to the long commute?

@durron597 I live down in Irvine during the week, and commute home on the weekends. My wife does not like the arrangement at all.

Sort of.

I'm trying to figure out how to get those mad fullstack skillz.

that everyone seems to want.

@RobertHarvey ouch.

Yeah, those.

Five years experience in the newest cool technology flavor of the week.

@Snowman I should apply to be a programmer for Smith & Wesson then or something

@RobertHarvey Five years experience in the three year old technology?

@Snowman Doesn't the ideal incumbent already work for them?

The architect I'm working for now has an interesting software development approach. All XAML, all the time, and everything is based on a workflow/Actor model.

hmmm three accepts on p.se today

No HTML5 to be seen anywhere. It's all Fayde and WPF.

No multi-tier whatever, though he does follow MVVM religiously.

But an interesting thing happens when you move to a monolithic, multi-tier arrangement to "All actor, all the time." You wind up with these table-based workflows that can be represented graphically, and small classes that can be edited in notepad. Much of the usual complexity disappears. The classes are compiled and executed dynamically, so there's no build system. There's no source control; every new version of a class is simply added to the database, and the most recent version is used.

Because it's based on the Actor model, it's infinitely scalable. If the current hardware isn't keeping up, you just stand up more machines.

@RobertHarvey that doesn't sound like an architecture you gamble your own money on.

The workflows are similar to the ones used in Atlassian Jira.

Though the workflow engine and WPF workflow designer are homegrown.

I do have some concerns. CSScript is used to run the C# snippets; setting up and tearing down the necessary domains to make this work is expensive. Roslyn is supposed to be better in this regard.

@psr He claims he was able to get a loan origination process from 60 days down to 3, using this architecture and the same number of people.

All of the bank's business processes are modelled in the workflow engine.

@RobertHarvey - It's interesting, if it proves out. It just seems risky. Of course, if it's actually working in practice, it's not risky.

@RobertHarvey this is why I like the actor model; not sure about everything else in his underpinnings here, but the actor model does give you the "everything is a tiny thing" with simple obvious pathways between each one, often times having the workflows re-routable more easily