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Nick Alexeev

22:00

@JimmyHoffa @Ampt In the end, a lot depends on the quality of the dev environment. Crappy dev environments for C or JS on embedded are nearly as bad.

Jimmy Hoffa

@gnat You're suggesting a feature that would auto-delete every question upon submission?

@gnat Everytime anyone tries to delete something, it just says too late Oded already did it?

user20683

@JimmyHoffa It'd be kind of like if we compiled questions with Haskell. It'd reject them at ask time.

gnat

22:16

@WorldEngineer is there a lazy evaluation in Haskell? I would prefer to see them rejected (closed and auto-downvoted) immediately after posting, but not prior to it. That way we'd have front page perfectly matching traditional meta complaints

Q: Why are there so many closed, on hold, and down voted questions here?

Compared to Stack Overflow, the number of questions which are down-voted, put on hold, or closed is astounding. I think it's a sign that the criteria (and possibly usefulness) of this site is poorly defined. I originally came to this site thinking it's good place to engage in design discussion...

user20683

@gnat All evaluation in Haskell is lazy default

user20683

it's one of the language's big features

Robert Harvey

-2

Q: Windows-like logo in Halt and Catch Fire intro

Since I have no idea where in all of the Stack Exchange to ask this question, I presume this is the place with the higher probability where someone can answer it. I don't see this getting answered in SE Movies. In AMC's Halt and Catch Fire TV series, its intro at some point shows a Windows-like ...

culture

Burn it! Burn it with fire!

gnat

@WorldEngineer oh then we certainly need it! All questions closed and Haskell to blame instead of evil gnat

user20683

@RobertHarvey I sent it to movies and TV

Robert Harvey

22:23

OK.

The new migration system is weird. There's no way to get back to the original question.

user20683

the answer downvote was irritating since the answer was fundamentally correct

gnat

@RobertHarvey there is a way, one needs to manually add something about noredirect to the URL

Robert Harvey

This works.

programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/252292/?noredirect=true

Seems like /?noredirect=anything works

gnat

@RobertHarvey have you tried /?noredirect=bleh?

Robert Harvey

No, but I did in fact try /?noredirect=anything

gnat

22:27

@RobertHarvey =bleh should act differently, and refer to chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/21/conversation/…

Robert Harvey

Worked the same.

user20683

@RobertHarvey I just about died when I read the quad core thing. Kids these days.

Robert Harvey

What quad core thing?

user20683

@RobertHarvey There was a comment as I was writing the answer about how it might symbolize the transition from one to four cores. Never mind that the show takes place in the 80s

Robert Harvey

Ah. Good times.

gnat

22:39

@RobertHarvey I am disappointed. Speaking of migrations, recently I am more interested in rejected ones...

Q: Stats on how attempts to circumvent SO question blocks impact other sites

I would like to better understand how attempts to circumvent Stack Overflow question blocks impact other sites. I believe this can be estimated by finding out how many migrations to SO were rejected because asker is question blocked. Can we get some statistics on that please? I am particularly i...

support post-ban statistics migration-rejection

Robert Harvey

Why do people always ask for statistics? If the SE staff even bothers, all you have are numbers.

tl;dr: It's significant, but not significant to be bothered with, other than to be amused at the amount effort some people seem to expend at being lazy.

It's pretty easy to spot one. If a new user suddenly starts asking marginal SO questions on Programmers, and they have a net negative score over multiple questions, it's a fairly safe bet that they're question-blocked.

Either that, or they're tired of those meanies on SO, and want to try their luck here.

gnat

@RobertHarvey I am sort of tired to find self out of regular and close votes every day day by day ever since burn down of SO queue begun. I have to bookmark/favorite posts to vote them up a day later, could never imagine that things might go (down) that far

Robert Harvey

Favorite posts?

On SO or here?

gnat

@RobertHarvey yup, favorite posts here. Ones I want to upvote now but am outtavotes because 10 or 20 idiots banned at SO decided to try their luck here today. I want system to help me by carrying at least the part of janitorial load that can be done automatically

Jul 31 at 16:51, by gnat

> This is going to be blunt...
>
- I don't enjoy being elusively a janitor due to the deluge of junk
- I don't enjoy *having* to be a janitor to participate in a site, even if this just looks like sifting through junk to answer
- I don't enjoy community outrage over downvoting and closing crappy questions.
- The "think of the poor new user, how can you be such a jerk to them" site culture is a huge turn off for me. YMMV.
- People love upvoting crap. This drives me nuts. Fighting an already lonely battle for site quality is hard enough without other active members working against you.

Q: Perform automatic checks for cross-posting and question ban at SO when post enters close queue, not only at attempt to migrate

Suggest to perform automatic checks for cross-posting and question ban at Stack Overflow when post enters close queue, not only when it is attempted to migrate. If check detects a problem, system would raise automatic flag for moderator attention. I expect above preemptive checks to help us more...

feature-request moderators review post-ban cross-posting

Robert Harvey

I can see running out of votes on SO, but not here. I seldom run out of votes here, and you know how much I moderate here. I reserve my downvotes for the genuinely lazy.

gnat

22:50

@RobertHarvey I am out of votes here almost daily

Robert Harvey

Don't waste your downvotes on anyone but the most egregious offenders; most people who are new are not bothered by downvotes anyway.

gnat

and I am not alone, at least in close votes (can't tell if others are short of regular votes or it's only me)

Q: Provide 10k users more close votes

Please provide 10k+ users more close votes. Why? Putting questions on-hold in a timely fashion is critical in providing useful feedback to new users. It's rare for salvageable questions to be put on-hold without a constructive comment having been left. Quickly putting questions on-hold keeps...

feature-request status-deferred vote-to-close

Robert Harvey

Close votes don't affect your upvote/downvote rations.

gnat

@RobertHarvey downvotes feed question quality warnings. And soon to additionally feed frequency of asking questions. Leave "mildly crappy" question closed at zero, and get 4 more of that garbage or worse one later. programmers.stackexchange.com/users/139721/gumuruh

still, I prefer to keep my mind open. Maybe it's just me, and maybe the problem isn't really big. In cases like that, it's best to check data

Robert Harvey

Related: Why do people think SOAP is deprecated?. tl;dr: Soap and WSDL are so 2007, and REST is currently the bomb. — Robert Harvey 3 mins ago