The Whiteboard

CR been getting press lately or something? Every day I've been picking up rep from old CR content for like a couple weeks

user20683

@JimmyHoffa They are on an upvoting campaign to get out of Beta IIRC

Matt D

CR?

1:55 AM

That explains it @World, I originally went there from SO as a place to have more thoughtful answers than "Fix my bug", then found P.SE and haven't really been back.

A: Provide 10k users more close votes

3:08 AM

also wth @ like 5 FP Q's today?

Specifically towards the end of the day, when I'm too lazy to bother trying to answer most of them

aliteralmind

6:22 AM

To whomever may be interested, I have written another supposed-to-be-an-answer-but-really-is-a-blog-post answer: stackoverflow.com/a/22163940/2736496 . I had a conversation with some of you a few weeks ago, about my "Blind Builder" mega-question, which resulted in me actually creating my first blog. Now I'm on my third post. :)

gnat

11:38 AM

@GlenH7 I was recently pondering about modifying hotness formula to make aging factor depend on the amount of answers, so that questions with more answers (5, 10, 20, 40...) start aging away sooner and stronger.

Underlying concept is the same as in proposal to discard answers by insufficient score, that is new answer is either 1) voted high enough to compensate for increased age decay and keep popularity high, or 2) makes the hotness score decrease faster, thus lowering question exposure and decreasing chances for further damage.

what do you think?

user41796

12:04 PM

@MichaelT - there is hope.

user41796

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I'm not totally opposed to looking into upping the limits here, but I want to run some data first. However, there's two things at play here that we need to deal with separately, while at the same time not forgetting that they're symptoms of a whole. Let's go by each problem, on its own. Q-bloc...

user41796

I would present it as a way to get _more_ questions seen on the collider list, not as a way of getting rid of old ones. The challenge is that it seems counter-intuitive at first.

We pop a question on the collider for entertainment. It starts getting more answers and you want to age it off more quickly based on number of Answers. That's counter to the purpose of entertainment - most folk would want it to stick for a little bit so more can enjoy it.

OTOH, if you point out how certain questions are selfishly hogging all of the limelight then that's keeping other, deserving (and entertaini…

user41796

@gnat - sorry for changing my opinion there midstream. As I thought it through, I realized the potential revenge effect which kind of soured me to the idea.

A: Migration path to Workplace?

12:48 PM

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This is the best solution right now - http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler This is almost always very active and almost always within 24 hours (excluding weekends, somewhat). There are a few people who currently either drop questions in there which is great, but if there are...

gnat

2:03 PM

@GlenH7 focusing on how this may impact entertainment value is a wonderful twist, thanks! As for an effect of more questions rolling through the collider if we make them less "sticky", yeah I've been thinking about this for a while. Also, recent changes to hot list ("shuffling") help to understand how things would work when moved into this direction. Agree that that damage is going to spread wider, this is a good observation...

...But I tend to believe this is better than have it the other way round. I think about it like this. Say, we have same 5 lemming answers and 100 passer-by careless voters per certain time period anyway. When they all concentrate on a single "victim", it becomes very hard for community regulars to handle. But when these are spread over 3-5 questions, it becomes rather manageable...

in The Water Cooler, Feb 3 at 10:02, by gnat

trying to imagine how "new reality" feels like for lemming answerers. As usual, they click the sidebar. As usual, they drop their zero effort "meh" answers into the hot question. As usual, they expect a warm wave of similar answers and sympathy upvotes... Oops! Instead, they meet a hard cold surface. "Hello, we've got quality norms here, your post doesn't fit. No, there are no more lemmings around to help you ignore this..." What a disappointment

Worth noting this is how I think it works in hot questions, those that get "attacked" frequently. Naturally popular - reddited/Ars'ed questions are much less frequent and as such are better to consider separately.

user41796

2:27 PM

@enderland You are so welcome for the comment I left on that answer. :-D

@GlenH7 I know I can find mods that way, I'm more referring to the "P mods talk with Workplace prior to migration" narrows mods down to @WorldEngineer and @YannisRizos

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user41796

@enderland Yes, we could / should be better about dropping a link in the Water Cooler first and asking if it's good material for a migrate.

user41796

a 50%+ rejection rate on migrations is pretty appalling though

WP mods are super inactive other than @Jmort though

user41796

I read that as "we're shockingly bad at identifying things to push to WP"

2:30 PM

I read it more as "we just push things without asking first" :P

user41796

@enderland Have you asked the other two mods what's up? They may be handling things that you don't see. Or they may feel there isn't enough traffic to warrant their attention. Or they may have volunteered because they didn't think anyone else would step up to it.

@GlenH7 I'm not sure, I don't think they are very active given activity from them

user41796

And is "WP" preferred over "TW"?

idk. one of the mods hasn't been active since 2/27 either

Thomas Owens

WP == WordPress. TW = The Workplace.

user41796

2:34 PM

@enderland that could be troublesome. Even if they're only handling flags, their profile will show them as having shown up.

user41796

@ThomasOwens danke

Thomas Owens

At least, that's how I always read it.

there are a lot of community folks who were pretty active "mods" in the sense of deleting answers/questinos who lost those privaleges too

user41796

The problem with TLAs is that they start to collide after a while

IKR?

user41796

2:35 PM

@enderland I think you would be safe to run a meta question up the pole and see if there's a need for elections.

user41796

Volume may be low on TW, but only 3 mods makes it hard for one to take a break if life intervenes

yeah I'm not sure. jmort is going to burn out at this rate, there are tons of flags for low quality stuff

user41796

@enderland So it's better to be proactive about it than wait until there is a problem. The other 2 mods need to carry their weight and then some, or signal to SE that elections would be appropriate. And if they were all nominated out of the Beta phase then it may be appropriate to have elections anyway.

user41796

I saw on jmort's profile that's promoting other beta sites which implies his interests are split amongst many sites. Can be hard for a mod to maintain that level of energy.

user41796

heck, hard for anyone to be active in multiple sites. Having to carry the burden of TW mod duties doesn't help

user20683

2:43 PM

@GlenH7 They'll have an automatic election as part of graduation.

user41796

@WorldEngineer Cool! And I cleared 300 rep there, so I can help vote @enderland in as mod. :-)

user20683

@GlenH7 you need 150 to vote IIRC

user20683

300 to run

user41796

Too bad all of my rep is off of migrated questions. Makes it hard to run on a platform like that. :-)

"I will be the best mod ever but will only help with migrations from P.SE - vote for me!"

user41796

2:49 PM

And Oded is on the prowl!

user41796

@enderland My flagging and review history is a bit spotty too

user20683

@AlexFilipovici Why so serious? Because we tried the other option. It was an unmitigated disaster.

user41796

@WorldEngineer Was that a superping BTW? I'm curious to know how they show up in chat.

Q: Is it generally a good idea to work with JDK 6 instead of JDK 7?

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As far as I know, there aren't a lot of differences between JDK 6 and JDK 7. At least, I haven't yet come across a difference (I coded with JDK 7 and with JDK 6). A lot of computers run JRE 6 or JRE 7. Compiling my program using JDK 7 will narrow the number of potential computers that can run my...

this guy really wants to use a dead version of java

user55340

@Ampt Well, in the JEE world, we still don't have a Java 7 app server. So while I use JDK 7, I've gotta remeber to set the language level to 6 for things to work.

user20683

3:01 PM

@GlenH7 sorta? There's a dropdown thing that shows up saying "You've been mentioned in a room you're not currently in.

Comparison of application servers

@MichaelT no tomcat?

user55340

Tomcat 8.0.3 (beta) released on Feb 11, 2014:

user55340

> The Apache Tomcat Project is proud to announce the release of version 8.0.3 (beta) of Apache Tomcat. Tomcat 8 is aligned with Java EE 7. In addition to supporting updated versions of the Java EE specifications, Tomcat 8 includes a number of improvements compared to Tomcat 7. The notable changes include:

user55340

Its in beta

user55340

In house, we're using 7.0.52 - which is at the Java 6 language level.

user55340

3:03 PM

(or maybe .50, .52 was released on Feb 17th)

user55340

Application servers are system software upon which web applications run. Application Servers consist of web server connectors, computer programming languages, runtime libraries, database connectors, and the administration code needed to deploy, configure, manage, and connect these components on a web host. An application server runs behind a web Server (e.g. Apache or Microsoft IIS) and (almost always) in front of an SQL database (e.g. PostgreSQL, MySQL or Oracle). Web applications are computer code which run on top of application servers and are written in the language(s) the application...

user55340

Go down to the 'Java' one and note the Java EE compatibility column.

user55340

Only GlassFish (reference, I don't know anyone who runs it in production) and WildFly (Redhat's) are full. Jetty is part way there... everything else is 6.

Well, assuming that he has a choice

he's probably not running java EE

user41796

@WorldEngineer Thanks. I didn't know if the @@ compressed down to a single @ when displayed.

user41796

3:11 PM

@Ampt minecraft on the mac still requires the Apple version of the JRE, which is v6

user55340

The other thing is you can always compile for an earlier version.

user55340

I've in the past (jokingly) proposed that third party contractor code always prefix their variables with 💩 so that it can be more descriptive. — MichaelT 22 secs ago

how are all of these java programs so far behind? It's not like Java7 just sprung out of no-where

user55340

Many libraries I see compiled against 1.5 still if they don't need 1.6 or later features.

user55340

If you make a library compiled against 1.7, it can't be used on most of the JEE environments.

user41796

3:25 PM

@Ampt Sun's acquisition by Oracle threw a wrench in update plans. Sun had also dropped the ball in keeping the version roadmap current. Then Oracle had to go back and fix a lot of security issues which delayed some of the other updates.

user55340

> Traffic is growing here. I was just looking at stats to determine if the rise is coming from folks with more engineering related searches, or the old 'best book to learn books' kind of thing. It's a bit of a split, but looks like it's landing firmly in topics we actually want, which is good. That means the right kinds of users are finding the site.

user41796

@MichaelT I'm trying not to be too hopeful, but I was pretty happy to see Tim's response

user55340

@GlenH7 Always nice when the community managers stop by to answer questions on persite metas.

user41796

And quickly too

@GlenH7 it's a nice "hey we are cared about!" feeling

user41796

3:30 PM

I honestly thought that request would wither on the vine from lack of SE level attention.

user41796

@enderland "Someone pretends to care about me!"

user41796

(I'll take what I can get)

user41796

For those who enjoy watching the underbelly of state-sponsored cyber mayhem, it looks like it's the Russian's turn to be caught with their pants down. theregister.co.uk/2014/03/04/uroburos_spyware

Anyone ever used Apex?

user41796

@Ampt context?

3:47 PM

wiki.developerforce.com/page/Apex

just got an email from Career Services looking for someone with knowledge of APEX programming for a job

just curious as to what the hell it is/does

looks like... java

user41796

@Ampt haven't used, but I agree with your assessment. Some companies think it's better to wrap their API into a proprietary language.

user41796

I'm in the curmudgeon camp and think it's a wretched idea. But hey, I'm a curmudgeon so what do I know?

nothing says "We have no idea what we're doing" like a proprietary language!

man. I just wanted some tacos. Took an hour and 45 minutes to drive my 20 minute commute today, and I wasn't even planning on coming in

but noooo, I wanted some tacos

cuz it's taco tuesday!

user41796

@Ampt Some do it to control who has access to the environment. Security through obscurity or whatever. Others do it so they can charge for training materials. And others do it so they can really lock the client in to the platform and make it as painful as possible to ever consider an alternative. All of which are pretty sleazy reasons in my book.

user55340

@Ampt At least it wasn't a burrito... (ever watch the bit about Battleship?)

3:53 PM

@MichaelT burrito.... bluesday?

just doesn't have that ring to it.

user41796

Mmmmm, burritos... Here's hoping the cafeteria is serving up burritos today

user55340

►

anyone have a time machine? I want to go back to this morning and tell myself that it's not worth it.

user55340

(btw, watch the times in the security cameras when he's trying to get in)

user20683

@GlenH7 APEX is a Java-like for Salesforce.

user41796

3:57 PM

@MichaelT epic

user41796

@Ampt how oddly ironic

@GlenH7 I thought that was fitting. Apparently that's their logo

user41796

@WorldEngineer creepy, crawly tentacles that will never let you go...

user41796

So maybe they went down the custom route to discourage anyone from ever considering trying to write for their platform. Ergo "no software"

user55340

3:59 PM

wut

user55340

user41796

I love being able to VTD crap answers.

A: Difference between networking programming and socket programming

12kV/D wow

user55340

Photography (a graduated site) gets 14kV/D

user55340

4:02 PM

When you look at the all sites by traffic and scroll down to Salesforce, its got funky stats.

user55340

Low answer rate, few users (4.7k) but huge visits/day and questions/day compared to other sites of similar traffic.

user55340

They get 33 questions/day.

user20683

Mi Yodeya gets 2k per day

user20683

I don't count Ask Patents and Stack Apps as quite the same as the rest of the network

user55340

@WorldEngineer Thats an odd site. I can see that its got its place, and is rather interesting to poke at. Certainly has its place.

user20683

4:05 PM

@MichaelT Some of the most technical and to outsiders, incomprehensible questions possible.

user55340

@WorldEngineer I stumbled across some of the concepts back on everything2... its like a religious paralegal.

user55340

everything2.com/title/39+Melachot

user55340

> My favorite treatise on the 39 Melachot is one that was commissioned by the Israeli Air Force. Since there was a non-zero chance that Israel would have access to manned spaceflight, the IAF needed to know how to apply these rules to astronauts in space. After all, since igniting and extinguishing have been extrapolated in modern times to include the use of and cessation of electrical power, does this mean astronauts can't turn switches on Saturdays? This is the sort of problem this pamphlet was intended to address.

user55340

And then if you want a longer approach to it - everything2.com/title/Keeping+Shabbat+in+space

user55340

amazon.com/CRESCENT-THE-SKY-Mechanical-Book/dp/0345344774

user55340

4:10 PM

Fun bit from that book (takes place on an islamic Mars) is the "where is Earth today?" for praying facing Mecca.

user55340

Another book - Accelerando. In the chapter "Halo" there is an imam at Jupiter who has a gyroscope stabilized mosque (for 1) - not a major plot bit, just a "hmm"

user20683

@MichaelT You'd use Classical Mechanics to figure out shortest path.

user55340

@WorldEngineer Do you face east, west or Nadir or Zenith? - it changes with the day and throughout the year. There is no one direction.

user20683

@MichaelT Hence why you'd basically have a prayer dial that moved with the day.

user55340

and with your location on the planet...

user55340

4:16 PM

The story has a computer that everyone carries with them to figure it out. Not a streach of the imagination in 2014, but in '89?

user41796

@MichaelT did you see the fatwa against travel to Mars? cnn.com/2014/02/25/world/meast/…

user55340

@GlenH7 Yep.

user41796

I thought Mars One had a pretty decent response. Not sure the council will be swayed though. They're pretty conservative in issuing fatwas.

user55340

ereads.com/ecms/book_title/Crescent-in-the-Sky

user55340

> The call to prayer sounded from his wrist monitor, and Abdul Hamid-Jones reluctantly pressed the hold button on the haft of his micromanipulator remote and set it down carefully on the laboratory bench. With a martyr's sigh, he consulted the glowing 3-D arrow that seemed to be floating somewhere within his wrist on the little holographic display.
It was a little complicated this afternoon. Mecca was located somewhere underfoot, through the entire bulk of Mars, with an ambiguous east-west orientation, and moreover, since that face of the Earth happened to be turned away at the moment, it w…

user55340

4:24 PM

Another islam in Sci-Fi thats a good read

user55340

When Gravity Fails

When Gravity Fails is a cyberpunk science fiction novel by George Alec Effinger published in 1986. It was nominated for the Nebula Award for Best Novel in 1987 and the Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1988. The title is taken from "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues", a song by Bob Dylan: "When your gravity fails and negativity don't pull you through". Taking place in a futuristic Middle-Eastern setting, the series reverses some of the usual expectations of a future world order by painting the West in decline while Muslim countries seem to prosper. The book's other main themes are the effects of dru...

user55340

(fairly sure just spotted a user on the way to getting an answer ban - I know I've seen that name in flagged not an answer before...)

user41796

@MichaelT Ditto

user41796

I put the first delete vote on that non-answer of his.

user55340

@GlenH7 mine is there too... but I know I've seen others.

user41796

4:33 PM

He has a penchant for finding poor questions to answer it seems

user41796

RE: current chat flag. I'm soooooo glad we're not like other chat rooms.

user55340

(neat looking at the community advertisement stats... that bounty one is still young, but its getting a number of clicks per day - neat bit with it, is that it doesn't ever "yea, I clicked that before" because its dynamic.)

user55340

@GlenH7 The latest one has a bounty on it... but he didn't likely read it, or the other question.

user55340

> One or more of the answers is exemplary and worthy of an additional bounty.

user55340

14

Socket programming (at least as the term is normally used) is programming to one specific network API. Sockets support IP-based protocols (primarily TCP and UDP)1. Network programming can be done using various other APIs. Windows has a number of protocol-independent APIs such as the WNet* and Ne...

user41796

4:35 PM

@MichaelT But his answer was so good it was going to steal that bounty away.

user55340

@gnat btw, with the more 20ks and vtd on answers... I'm... less concerned... with the edit ejection from the low quality review queue.

5:04 PM

@GlenH7 you're a proper engineer, surely you appreciate taking quality notes. You should go find one of those boogie board things that can store notes over time. I want to get one..

or whatever you call them. The pressure-sensitive pads

ones that have built in or attachable memory cards

A: in multi-tenant systems what is the correct practice for segregating each tenants data from each other?

5:21 PM

What the hell happened here?

-2

By using a WHERE clause in each relevant query. ... WHERE TenantID = @tenantID The place where you put this WHERE clause is in the Views that you supply the tenants. The Tenant ID is in a Tenants table. The Tenant ID is provided to the system when the user logs in; the User table also contai...

Am I the only one that finds this blindingly obvious?

user55340

@RobertHarvey Its a... poor question that is too broad / unclear that is inviting a short answer because any other answer would be either too indepth or wrong for the situation he OP is in.

Ah, I see.

user55340

Some people are likely reacting to the short answer. I don't find fault with the answer for the question, but the question itself is incomplete.

user41796

5:42 PM

@RobertHarvey Your answer probably requires the OP to think things through too much, but it wasn't a -2 worthy answer either.

user41796

They still had to draw the conclusion of "Oh! I have to segregate the data in the tables by using a group ID. Duh!"

user41796

Let it be shown that I have run out of close votes for the day

user41796

@RobertHarvey - as an aside, for our multi-tenant stuff we prefer to assign users into groups and then have the group ID own the data. That allows us to have accountability at the user level, but also easily support employee turnover within our clients.

user55340

@GlenH7 I was out this morning... now chewing away at my delete votes.

user41796

So we do an additional layer of lookup to find the group ID based upon the user ID, and then use the group ID within the views.

user41796

5:51 PM

Time to go find a burrito

user41796

@Ampt - how were those tacos? Were they worth the drive?

user55340

6:18 PM

@Ampt I've got one at home... apple.com/support/timemachine

is there a "public" moderator chat room?

user41796

I believe The Lounge is the private mod only chat room. I think the Tavern is where a lot of them hang out. Best odds of finding SE employees is in the Tavern, afaik.

user41796

but you can also look up a user within chat and see what rooms they are active in. That effectively lets you stalk a mod.

I'll try that, thanks

user41796

@enderland Not all mods sign out of the room they were last in. So even if they aren't actively on-line, you can still sometimes ping them that way.

user41796

6:31 PM

oh. Tavern

user41796

And flag, flag, flag

user41796

You can request a private chat room if you want to keep things confidential

k. that's good to know

user41796

Is it on Progs, or another site?

user41796

oh, another option is to ping any of the mods that roll through here and ask them to ping the appropriate mods in The Lounge for you

user41796

6:38 PM

Now the Progs mods are going to roll their eyes at us... :-) Sorry to hear of those things.

I know, SE needs a "don't be a douchebag" policy which is enforceable by banning

user41796

There is one

then they need some more teeth in enforcing it ;)

user55340

@enderland the other approach would be use the 'contact us' to ping directly through to SE employees. Takes a bit longer, not as interactive, but can start the conversation directly with the higher levels.

user55340

(Now I don't know if I should delete that message)

6:43 PM

;)

user55340

I've had to do it twice and appear to have had satisfactory results each time.

Ok. Maybe I'll do that when I have a bit more tmie on my hands

user41796

Sometimes it's the 3rd try that's the charm.

hopefully not the 3rd time, more like 10th time I think?

user41796

And I'm shocked at how hard it is to find which sites the community managers are responsible for

6:48 PM

Yeah I have no idea either after looking a bit

user41796

@enderland I think you'd have to troll the site's meta posts in order to figure it out. But I also don't know which devs take a pet interest in which particular sites and can therefore sometimes act as proxies for community managers.

user41796

Gather your links; build a pattern. Have some sort of reasonable correction that could be made. Take advantage of chat's mute feature... :-)

user41796

That's worth discussing as well.

user55340

If only I had done that LQ review from the queue rather than the flag.. that answer would be deleted.

user41796

@MichaelT I'm not sure. Now that you're 20k+, I think it counts as a delete vote against the answer either way.

user55340

7:06 PM

@GlenH7 But I did it from the flags, rather than the LQ queue, and it won't let me hit that review to do anything with it.

user55340

One more delete vote there, and it would have been gone.

user55340

programmers.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/55353

user55340

But I can't cast it, because I already did...

user55340

user41796

7:08 PM

@MichaelT oh, now I get it. <sigh> Silly system.

user41796

Sad that it requires six votes of "this is crap" to nuke things instead of just five.

user55340

And there's the 6th review on it.

user55340

Delete answers are very conservative with the queue.

user41796

Perhaps too conservative

user55340

Looks good will cancel one flag on it. Edit will boot it out completely.

user55340

7:10 PM

Debatable. Too conservative for smaller sites, possibly... about right for SO... probably.

user41796

true. SO can have rollback wars with wild abandon.

user55340

Thus, now that I have 20k, I'm deleting from the flag because its so easy to eject from the LQ queue, easier just to do it from the flag view.

user41796

I noticed that the verbiage changed from "recommend deletion" to "delete"

user55340

All that said, I am very happy to see all those names in the review.

user55340

Yep.

user41796

7:12 PM

I'm curious and hopeful to see what Tim turns up with his queries.

user55340

I'm curious about how the close votes flow over the course of the day.

user55340

The size of the close vote pool later in the day is something that is fairly obvious to us here... the "out of close votes" lament.

user55340

I'd be terrified of what the site would look like without Oded.

@GlenH7 so good. Local mexican place makes tostadas so good for so cheap

@MichaelT funny, it doesn't look like a police box...

user55340

7:22 PM

@MichaelT I would argue that the group here doesn't necessarily represent even a majority of the close voting pool

user55340

( snorgtees.com/space-ship-timeline )

user41796

@Ampt There is a surprisingly strong Mexican culture in your town. Or at least there was when I was there. Can't imagine it would have diminished much

user41796

@Ampt Not any more. And that's a good thing.

@MichaelT Is that to scale?

user55340

@Ampt It doesn't on any site. But there is the group of active close casters.

7:23 PM

pretty sure BSG is bigger than that

user55340

Judging by the falcon to BSG... I'd say so.

or, you know, police box to falcon

lol

The Whiteboard. Answering the most important questions of our time.

Length:	 4720 feet (1438.64m)
Width:	 1762 feet (536.84m)
Height:	 602 feet (183.32m)

user55340

7:25 PM

Yeah the BSG is massive

user55340

( snorgtees.com/t-shirts/flappy-bird-champion )

I must be missing the joke

Was the original programmer of Flappy Bird getting paid for his creation? I heard he sunk the whole thing... What was he thinking?

he was making a lot from the ads I hear

but hes in another culture where having wealth isn't necessarily a good thing

it paints a target on your back

I'd give my eye tooth for an app like that. And I'm good at ignoring the archers.

user41796

7:27 PM

@Ampt was that really what was causing him grief?

user55340

Its also a bit more attention than he wanted to deal with.

user55340

Consider how well you would handle it if suddenly every major news outlet wanted to interview you.

user55340

For something you wrote as a "meh" weekend project.

@GlenH7 I believe so

at least from what I've heard, which is nothing official

but it makes sense

user41796

@MichaelT I'm such a typical American then. 'Cause I would try to ride that gravy train for as long as I possibly could

7:28 PM

and there hasn't been a re-release like everyone was saying

It's kinda like going into a Karaoke bar, discovering that it's really the X-factor and your voice is going to make you rich, and saying "meh, that's not what I really signed up for."

user55340

@Ampt During this period, its developer claimed that Flappy Bird was earning $50,000 a day from in-app advertisements.

user41796

There is something to be said for making a mint and bolting for the door.

user55340

@GlenH7 Toss an 'I' in front of that Myers Briggs type and reconsider what that would mean for most programmers.

user41796

However, there's a lot to be said for keeping that cash cow alive as long as is possible

7:30 PM

$50,000 per day can pay for a lot of therapy. Or prostitutes, or drugs, or whatever you think you need.

user41796

@MichaelT I guess I'm arguing that the cash flow was high enough to override that preferred personality state. I'm an introvert, but I'd suck it up for that amount of cash on a regular basis. But I also know the attention would eventually blow over.

@MichaelT you know I heard that but I never saw any figures

user55340

Wiki also says thus: "Flappy Bird was removed from both Apple's App Store and Google Play by its creator on February 10, 2014, due to guilt over what he considered to be its addictive nature."

or even official statements from him

user55340

Note the rise of the 'internet addiction' in asia...

7:31 PM

either way, I think I've spent more time contemplating why this game was shut down than I really care to hah

user41796

I could see that being a concern with devout ______ <insert appropriate religion here>

"guilt over what he considered to be its addictive nature..." Makes him seem a lot more important than he really is.

user55340

Still, get the t-shirt so that you can say you did it in 10 years and people look at you as a goofy old guy.

user55340

I've got T-shirts from startups that never started (got swag from friends) back in the day.

user41796

@MichaelT I trust you break them out every now and then to confuse folk?

user55340

7:33 PM

At SGI and Apple, I know that the 'best' t-shirts were the ones from canceled projects.

user55340

I wish I had a Pets.com shirt... or webvan.

user41796

@MichaelT I remember tossing one shirt I had from a doomed project. But I tossed it after rolling off, which was well before it was canned. The PMO on that project left me with such a bitter taste that I didn't want to be reminded of it.