The Whiteboard - 2014-02-20 (page 2 of 2)

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7:01 PM

@amon he updated the code... its fairly different than what he had originally pasted.

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I wonder if he tossed it through a word processor or something that was doing spelling correction on the code.

7:26 PM

I don't understand that CMMI/Scrum question at all./

I understand CMMI. I understand Scrum. I understand the words, but they don't make sense.

user41796

@ThomasOwens I was wavering between unclear what you're asking & primarily opinion based until I edited. Then I realized it was just a poll and closed as too broad.

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So I spared myself the effort of trying to figure out what they were really asking

I'm writing a nice comment now.

user55340

I'm out of close votes... so letting ~~Robert~~ Thomas deal with it.

Handled. How's that epic comment?

Especially the throwdown of the book.

user55340

7:34 PM

Looks fairly epic. Though a fair bit of your characters are tied up in urls. You could have made it more epic without any links.

That comment is like the Stack Exchange equivalent of me mic dropping.

Wait...Scrump is a thing?

And yes, it's exactly what you think it is.

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@ThomasOwens Scrump is a dry cider made in traditional scrumpy fashion

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(or is this the wrong SE for that answer?)

@MichaelT Well, not what I was going for. I was going for something that's more applicable to Prog.

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@ThomasOwens Beer and cider is completely applicable to programming. Its even in our chat room tags.

7:38 PM

@MichaelT True. And cider is good booze.

user55340

Cider is my preferred booze.

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(At times I debate pulling up bevmo in the summer to order a case of Wyders pear cider)

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Otherwise (winter) I'd have to have it delivered to the office to have it not freeze... and then I'd have to share.

Anyway, Scrump is Scrum + RUP.

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I like my version better.

7:40 PM

Apparently, it's a legitimate thing that exists and can be combined with CMMI.

cmmiinstitute.com/resource/scrump-scrum-rup-and-cmmi

user55340

Scrum + most things exist. And if the thing is CMMIble, then likely scrum + thing is too... because scrum doesn't say too much about how things are done.

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This can lead to lots of broken scrum things.

Does Scrum blend?

Can I remix Scrum with Guile's Theme?

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I've seen many blended scrums with pieces all over the place.

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"We're doing scrum!" --- no, you're doing "15 minute meetings ever morning"

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7:59 PM

I leave for five minutes, and the whole room gets drunk without me.

user41796

@RobertHarvey It's @MichaelT's fault (this time)

user55340

8:15 PM

@GlenH7 Was the other night too... though I blame @WorldEngineer for that one.

8:29 PM

@MichaelT This is at least 90% of active "We do scrum!"

the other 10% are "We do scrum - we're in a sprint right now, it'll end when we release."

You'll notice that adds up to 100% and includes no actual scrum implementations. You can guess the implication on your own.

user55340

@psr and you've got a dissertation from argonaut.

8:52 PM

software recommendations is in beta??

I thought it was just an area51 joke...

@RobertHarvey life would be boring without contrarians. And rules of the game would be worse if there was nobody around to challenge and enforce them being explained, justified and clarified. In this round btw Gilles looks more of a contrarian, given that eg animuson essentially says same as you 'Stack Overflow is not a place to ask "Can you find something that matches these needs?" type questions...'

Here's to the crazy ones...
> ...The misfits. The rebels.
> The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes - the ones who see things differently.
> They're not fond of rules and they have no respect for the status quo.
> You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them, disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them.
> About the only thing that you can't do is ignore them.
> Because they change things"

> For future reference, trying to use Software Recommendations as the next dumping ground for a rather similar kind of question asked in the same vague terms will be met with scrutiny

I can only presume that scrutiny will be something like "That's garbage... They'll love it!"

In fact I think that'll be my "migrate to Software Recommendations" flag message. "This is garbage, Software Recommendations will love it!"

Feel free to interpret "Bleh!" as that from now on if it floats your fancy.

Software Recommendations is not your next NPR

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9:08 PM

@gnat So gorilla vs. shark is out? Oh wait, no it's not, I mean opinion based is out, wait no, it must be the do some of your own leg-work that's out err wait I mean hmm...

It's an SE site that has 2 of SE's general rules: Don't be too broad, and don't be off topic (gimme teh codez would be off topic, interestingly...)

All of the others are out the window just by the sheer concept

Also.... I hope you realize @gnat, it's going to be an absolute haven for

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@JimmyHoffa gorilla vs shark is in, I think you're right here. They only try to make it civilized, and in a way that would repel most blatant spam. But yeah, even with all the guidelines they built so far, this is a risky experiment

I've half a mind to go to every highly voted answer on that site and post a counter-answer with the #2 option, because then there's no choosing one over the other. It's a crapshoot and presents no value to passive googlers

But hey they want the site; may god have mercy on those mods, they have their work cut out for them

Workplace - brand design is there!

in The Water Cooler, 45 secs ago, by gnat

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9:29 PM

I'm going to ask for game recommendations on software recommendations

"I like these games, I want a game that has X, Y, and Z, I want it to be like Bla, but not too hard! What game would fit the bill?"

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Q: Testing the game recommendation category of questions

Related: Would video game related question be ontopic? Below are a variety of game recommendation questions that we saw on the gaming Stack Exchange, Arqade, during its life. I have split these into separate answers, categorised by what is wrong with them in the hope that we can use the informat...

discussion scope games

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Q: Are video game related questions on topic?

When it comes to video games, some people that I know personally don't consider them as software while I do and game recommendations are off topic on Arqade. Assuming that a user posts a detailed question would video game recommendation questions be on topic? if so would consoles be included as w...

discussion scope games

@MichaelT Some of it even addressed the question (unlike the other response).

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11:18 PM

morning

11:34 PM

@MattD OpenId/OpenAuth in new MVC? So much magic. Very scary. But doing it from scratch...so much code...scarier... thoughts?

define doing it from scratch

as in "we're not going to use the auth classes from .net?"

@MattD Don't know... as in grabbing something that does the OAuth signature generation for requests so that we could do the communication, and then doing the whole back-and-forth handshake for authentication as well as manually doing the data modeling and data storage etc

damn

yeah thats pretty scary. I tried to use OAuth once to connect to twitter. it took forever to get it to work

using MVC you literally just say "Yeah here's my FB app ID and key, and use google, and here's my twitty app ID and key" and it's like "Ok! Works." but wtf it's doing

claims based authentication is pretty nice

which is what it's actually doing

oauth, is a bit crazy

11:38 PM

Yeah I understand the model, but it's the "Where's the code??" that's got my eye

yeah

I've done some basic OAuth from scratch already - yeah it get's pretty nuts..

isnt there an Oauth2 coming?

i remember reading something about the original creator of oauth going "fuck you guys" and bailing on it

Believe it already came and that's how google works, google doesn't require me to provide an App ID/ App Key

i really need to read up on my authentication/encryption stuff. I've been a little ignorant of that in the last decade or so

and its a topical thing these days

11:39 PM

no registered app with Google, but I can authenticate people through it anyway

hmm, thats probably more claims based auth than oauth

I really need to read up on it

@MattD Very, unfortunately. I feel the pain when I point and laugh at all the people who spent a decade like "Multi-threading and concurrency? Nahh I don't need to worry about that insanity, too complex..." meanwhile I was saying that about encryption/auth for ages and nowadays you can't stand anything up without knowing how that shit works

afair: you can sign in with google, get a "claim" from them, and then when people log into your site, you can check the claim, and try and match that to a user in your system

@JimmyHoffa yeah. i hear ya. I was a big fan of concurrency when everyone was like "wha?". im behind the ball on all this shit. trusted computing is a bit of a clusterfuck though

@MattD More or less seems right, though my app doesn't sign in to google is the interesting thing, users sign in and authorize my apps URL to be given that claim, then google gives it over to my blind URL

yeah. which is a bit weird

its like, "ok, but does google just give this to everyone?"

11:42 PM

Yeah, that's the OAuth2 part I think

@MattD It makes me authorize when I login but it could potentially be anyone

"hey does your session state have a google auth token? it does! hey ill just keep this email address even though i dont have you on my system"

The authorization screen I just clicked authorize said "Do you authorize this website: localhost" and I clicked sure

oh, there's an auth screen? thats handy

must be some kind of private/public key thing?

@MattD Yeah, the first time, I presume google remembers "O yeah, he authed that site last time"

hmm

11:44 PM

@MattD there is for FB/Twitter/etc, but not google, that's the odd part

alright. im going to have to go read up on this

asp.net/mvc/tutorials/mvc-5/…

That's what I just walked through and was baffled at how much it just...went...

thanks

im busy implementing exception policies atm

its doing my head in

im an oldschool gamedev. exceptions were used for execptional things

by exceptional people

@MattD Yeah, people get exception handling all wrong these days...

I don't know if they were ever better, but the current approach is just nonsense

11:45 PM

now its like "oh i cant convert this string to a int, EXCEPTION"

well, I'm old, so I'm happy to use null as a signifier that things went wrong, deal with it in a recoverable way.

there seems to be a move away from that though. which is interesting

@JimmyHoffa id be interested in what this example writes to the database on google auth

@MattD yeah, that's my next curiosity... It automatically creates a LocalDb file, I need to dig into it

part of the scaffolding

yeah tehre's a bunch of AspNet* tables,

@MattD Creepy... I should think it just uses EF which tends to generate fairly simple logical schemas, so I would expect to see some simple little users auth structures

ah so much to learn. i just wish i had time when i have motivation, and motivation when i had time

@JimmyHoffa yup. should be the case.

@MattD Right... Oh well, none of it matters- it relates in precisely no way to the job you're about to be doing shortly

11:50 PM

so? laughs

its part of the world we live in. who knows maybe i'll need to write something to authenticate game drm with external OAuth accounts

Getting my head around the guts of framework-of-the-day is the last thing I interest in when it's not relevant to my current work, if learning around something that doesn't relate to my current work I'd rather go after something broader and more interesting

i should probably patent that

well, its going to become more common. so its proabably a good idea to understand it. and understand where your data is going

@MattD You should probably ...not do it. I don't want to forget my google account and lose all my games... ok reality is probably that every steam game does that.

I'm not looking forward to the day when i can oauth my steam account with facebook

@MattD Yeah the OAuth stuff sure; I just meant the guts of what EF is diddling with in MVC for this

11:53 PM

and then facebook messages me with "hey, there's 239234923843 games you havent played yet!"

Luckily I could give a shit about FB and hardly use it at all.

@JimmyHoffa oh right. yeah. still, its interesting to see what data's avaliable

This appears to be where "trusted computing" is headed

as its a hell of a lot more convient that 23934082394 passwords/users

@MattD Yeah, the convenience factor kind of wins out over everything else. It's more convenient for devs too, no more storing and monitoring and ensuring security of numerous users/passwords, you just send them to some other site that does it, if the site says they're who they say they are great, if not fuck 'em, not your problem

yup

if you get hacked, you cant lose password data

because you dont have it

You could just wipe all your SSO tokens and people would regenerate them on next login

11:56 PM

it does introduce a single point of failure though. if google gets wiped out for some reason then your site is also fubar

i wonder if part of this was to force account retention on facebook's behalf

@MattD Yes, though that's less scary than if someone gets your google creds they can now login to amazon and buy everything. But the idea is a farce, you get someone's email and nine times out of ten you have everythign you need to access every account they have on the internet

yup

i like the idea of those password management sites

but they just seem like a great big target ;)

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