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Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
12:43 AM
beer and games day at work... last hour at the office was spent playing settlers of catan drinking a fat tire, after spending most of the day just polishing my jquery UI. That is a fun game.
I kind of think I might like javascript more than C# after mastering C#, javascript just flows more nicely... makes me ponder jscript.net as an application language..
what am I saying, I am a C# samurai... solving problems by modeling is still easier to me... it just doesn't respond to changes as nicely...
@MichaelT you said I'm a haskeller at heart, I so wish that were true. I still think completely in C#, the only time my brain starts thinking more naturally in Haskell is when I start thinking about control flow that isn't obviously modeled through subtypical object dispatch
or when I see a problem whose modeling solution involves an object explosion
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
1:34 AM
@JimmyHoffa and pdr: I don't see that there is a difference between the two. I posit that in a non-trivial amount oftime, one leads to the other. An open environment contains sensory distractions: people walking in your FOV, talking/humming, farting, not showering, etc. These distractions will affect your productivity. Lowered productivity leads to missing deadlines (or working after hours), etc. which eventually leads to the (artificially) high-paced environment you mention. Claiming that those kinds of distractions are not 'work-related' ignores that humans are human. — Steve Evers 4 hours ago
I do not understand how people are so easily distracted, especially in our field... The ability to hyperfocus is kind of a requirement for the job it seems
@WorldEngineer Regarding your theory x vs theory y, a question that can be an indicate to that (but won't indicate a negative) is: How many of your engineers have been promoted during their tenure? if a good number (say 15%, don't ask percent though because that's easier to objectify; you want a fast number and also ask how many members are there on the total engineering group being referred to) that indicates they have trust in their employees.
0% though may just indicate knowledge of the peter rule or any number of other things that aren't necessarily a negative on the theory X vs theory Y stuff, but no organization promotes fair numbers of their employees unless they feel their employees are trustworthy
 
user20683
@JimmyHoffa Another question I'd ask is do you promote within divisions or across divisions?
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
Another one of my favorite questions that is somewhat subjective and will only give a bit of a company line, but the choice of topics is indicative is "What makes you enjoy waking up and coming in here every day?" They may say the code is great, the people are great, the challenges are great etc, but "The people" is my personal favorite
 
user20683
get an idea of whether they value cohesion or not
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
The best company's I've worked every engineer knew, the company was fun to work for because the people regardless of the code or challenges
@WorldEngineer yeah, that's a good one. Asking about number of people responsible for any given part of the system is another similar one; a company that has most parts of the system owned by a single person are less collaborative because they don't believe in team-ownership
 
user20683
1:49 AM
@JimmyHoffa my code is your code as far as I'm concerned
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
Wording is key a lot of times, think about how to present your questions so that multiple choices sound like positives
 
user20683
@JimmyHoffa I work in customer service, I'm very very familiar with that sort of line
 
user20683
I have to give it now and then
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
Yeah, your people experience will definitely be a major plus. Many folks in our industry lack that
 
user20683
@JimmyHoffa I'm a weird bird
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
1:54 AM
Bigger trick is knowing what they want to hear in their open ended questions sometimes, my old boss would always ask what you did with your time outside of work (everyone asks this) and it was an automatic no to anyone who just said coding and studying programming and blogging and etc etc, he wanted to know people were more interesting than just a programmer. My current boss wanted to hear the opposite. Both being great jobs, great managers, they just thought different things were more important
Tricky to suss out what they want to hear
 
user20683
@JimmyHoffa art
 
user20683
that's largely what I do when I'm given the time to do it
 
user20683
be it writing or painting or whatever
 
user20683
life without art is no life at all
 
user20683
I love to cook for people
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
1:59 AM
true. i never was good at any arts, logic has ever been my creative outlet.
Cooking actually is one I'm quite good at; taught myself to cook when I was a lad and realized my parents were AWFUL, my wife get's all mad when I start mixing random shit with no recipe she has to leave the kitchen because it frustrates her heh but never stops me because it always comes out awesome heh
 
user20683
I like maps and language and making worlds in my head
 
user20683
alternate history fascinates me except I don't care too much about WWII
 
user20683
it's boring
 
user20683
suppose the Byzantines had survived and then took part in the 30 years war
 
user20683
what does that Europe look like?
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
2:03 AM
I've always wondered who the byzantines were, there's a variety of old cultures like that you hear referred to that I wonder who the hell they are heh
 
user20683
@JimmyHoffa there's a good podcast called "12 Byzantine Rulers"
 
user20683
gives a solid overview of their history
 
user20683
they were Eastern Orthodox, Greek cultured people though that definition changes over time
 
user20683
Armenians, Arabs, Turks, Slavs, Bulgars, Italians all made of parts of the Empire at various points
 
user20683
though in most cases those terms have broad and changing definitions as well
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
4:14 AM
I do not understand the continuation monad...
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
4:24 AM
this is a bad example, it's using a transformer on the identity monad underneath without mentioning it..
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
4:36 AM
ahh, I get it now, it claims the continuation monad can mimic every other monad, which makes sense why I always like using compositional wrapping over other monads...
 
 
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Yannis Rizos
Yannis Rizos
8:01 AM
Even Knuth has trouble picking what language he should learn next...
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user55340
2:59 PM
"Testing code that does lots of things is difficult. Debugging code that does lots of things is difficult. The solution to both of these problems is to write code that doesn't do lots of things." This trite truism should not be in top answer imo. I'm not sure most here agree, so I am not attempting an edit. — Ian Kelling 7 hours ago
 
user55340
I've spotted a spot in the reddit that might have contributed to the answer's rep.
 
user55340
reddit.com/r/readablecode/comments/1d0n7o/… - there is a bit of discussion of the quote of my co-worker in the answer.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
4:00 PM
I should go shamelessly reddit whoring some of my old answers
 
 
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user55340
10:01 PM
Our friend is back...
 
user55340
I asked the question as clear as I felt. If it's not good enough then be gone. — Clan RockPants Person 17 mins ago
 
user41796
11:46 PM
@MichaelT - not sure about that one. Less than stellar interaction skills? Yes, definitely. Inability to ask a coherent question? No doubt. Actively trying to play the community? Not so sure. Unless he's gotten lazy, our most recent not-really-a-friend was putting more effort into crafting almost answerable questions. Those two Q's (SO & PSE) are just meaningless babble.
 

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