POLITICS #lol

RPi_Awesomeness

03:35

@jrg It wasn't horrible. I've heard a whole lot worse from his Royal Dreadfulness, but there were several things he kept poking that really aren't his job and things that aren't the governments job.

jrg

@RPi_Awesomeness so the normal stuff that comes from the president.

ok

RPi_Awesomeness

He kept guilt-tripping on minimum wage and the whole "It's for teh Children!" aspect of these things he wants passed.

@jrg Basically, yeah.

He kept using I & me in situations where the president should have no power.

jrg

lol

RPi_Awesomeness

The first 5-10 minutes was dreadful. Basically every statement he made was standing ovated for extended periods.

jrg

so for minimum wage, the minimum wage was originally created to encourage high school/college students to go out and actually get a job.

was never supposed to be able to support a family of 4.

or 1.

RPi_Awesomeness

03:38

@jrg Precisely

Seth

yeah well if companies wouldn't take it as an excuse to not pay people..

RPi_Awesomeness

He was making it sound like Vacations and new cars were a right.

jrg

On the other hand, employers have been poor stewards of that.

@Seth right as well.

that's why Taylor Swift is right. A machine will take your job, then your life.

RPi_Awesomeness

@Seth Oh, yeah.

jrg

;p

RPi_Awesomeness

03:39

Boy. Gotta love this country! facepalm

jrg

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RPi_Awesomeness

Unions and minimum wage. Both good things when they were introduced, but probably should be limited greatly or removed entirely now. :)

Seth

Ah yes, jrg and his politics rooms :P

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jrg

So let me rephrase the union thing:

Basketball players don't need a union.

Seth

Not the first time I've been moved here ;P

jrg

03:40

coal miners do.

@Seth lol

baseball players don't.

RPi_Awesomeness

@jrg Are you kidding me. Don't even get me started on sports & their pay

jrg

utility workers (electric) do.

RPi_Awesomeness

Ugh. It's ridiculous

Multi-million dollar contracts for just throwing a ball around is ridiculous.

Seth

the trash service workers, etc.

jrg

OK, so battery is about to die.

but tl;dr: Yeah, it's messed up.

RPi_Awesomeness

03:42

Yes. Low-wage jobs could benefit from Unions, but the power unions have needs to be greatly reduced.

jrg

Nah, high risk jobs benefit from unions.

RPi_Awesomeness

It was good in the 19th and 20th century with new factories and whatnot before people knew what was going on and what could happen - now, not so much.

^^ that

Seth

There was an article about how companies like King Arthur Flour took good care of their communities and their employees. Can't find it now though :/

jrg

@Seth so to a large extent

you can make people happier with cruddy conditions by letting them own part of the company

employee-owned companies are likely to be more stable

RPi_Awesomeness

And there are always the exception companies

jrg

03:43

employees are happier, etc.

Seth

that was part of it, but it was even better than that.

RPi_Awesomeness

Boy. It's nice to actually talk to people with a similar mind-set when it comes to politics

jrg

@Seth right, but it's a place to start.

Seth

true

RPi_Awesomeness

If I had made that BS-o-meter comment on The Bridge I would have been murdered digitally in many ways.

jrg

03:44

@RPi_Awesomeness nah, it's nice to talk to someone who agrees something is wrong. How to fix it, we can squabble about. But people who aren't content with the status quo, that's nice.

RPi_Awesomeness

@jrg Bingo.

Seth

@RPi_Awesomeness Don't get all excited yet ;)

anyway, I gotta go eat, head is spinning.

jrg

Ok, later.

Seth

talk to you guys later.

jrg

need to charge laptop.

RPi_Awesomeness

03:45

Now, let's hope Title II passes

fair enough :)

jrg

@RPi_Awesomeness well, yeah. that'll be a close one.

RPi_Awesomeness

o/

jrg

I hope you call your congresscritters.

RPi_Awesomeness

It just makes so much sense. Internet access is most definitely a utility.

And just compare Telephone (remained classified as Title II) to the rest of the world. We've got the best cellphone networks/speeds in the world.

Investing hasn't stopped. When we look at the state of internet access/ISPs in the USA, though, it's a different story.

They said they needed to be re-classified as non-Title II to "be able to invest and expand". Look where we are now :P

jrg

04:23

So this is the thing nobody seems to care about with Title II: Taxes.

Prices will go up.

Not because of cost, but because of taxes

RPi_Awesomeness

04:41

that is true

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