Math Mods' Office - 2020-11-14

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Tyberius

03:04

Would this question be of any interest in on Math SE? The user is asking for it to be migrated. mattermodeling.stackexchange.com/questions/2356/…

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Shivering Soldier

05:03

I have been observing this question for a while. The timeline is interesting. Can someone tell me the reason for close votes getting invalidated? (If I remember correctly, I once saw a close vote and cast the second vote. I don't know what happened next, but in the end the question was still there with no close votes.)

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Martin Sleziak

07:40

@ShiveringSoldier Wasn't that just the usual process in which the close votes age? (I think there are similar rules also for some other type of votes.)

Meta Stack Exchange: Age close votes after 14 days, regardless of views, allowing recasting and How do close votes age away?

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Shivering Soldier

09:02

@MartinSleziak thanks, I didn't know about the ageing away process. But if you look at, for example, the recent close vote attempt, it mentions Nov 4. I presume that's the day the first vote occured. But it then got invalidated on Nov 12. That's not a 14 day period, right?

Martin Sleziak

@ShiveringSoldier TBH I am not exactly sure about meaning of those timestamps in the timeline. If it was your close vote, you can check the timestamp in your profile page. (Those votes are shown only to you, not to other users.)

Similarly, if you try to cast a close vote again - and it is too soon - you get a message saying something like: "You voted to close this question on (....), you can cast another vote later." (I do not remember the exact wording, but I think it mentions the date when you voted to close.)

Shivering Soldier

@MartinSleziak It says Nov 6.

Martin Sleziak

Maybe from SEDE we can find out when question entered/leaved the review queue?

Shivering Soldier

Yes, that's a possibility, but I don't know anything about SEDE:|

Martin Sleziak

I have added CreationDate and DeletionDate to this query: data.stackexchange.com/math/query/1086014/…

It only shows date - not time.

It shows CreationDate for the most recent close vote review as Nov 4.

I am not sure about the exact time intervals - maybe the posts I linked are oudated?

Shivering Soldier

09:19

I tried to cast a vote again and got the message, as you mentioned. It also mentions the exact time of my previous vote: Nov 6 at 9:27.

Martin Sleziak

Still I remember that when I voted to close and the post wasn't actually closed, it the review was shown in invalidated. And I was only allowed to recast the close vote after certain time. In fact, I have encountered this on many questions.

It happens sometimes that some post is in the close votes review queue many times, I see as many as 20: data.stackexchange.com/math/query/1252613/…

Shivering Soldier

Oh wait, the question has more than 100 views. That reduces the ageing away period to four days. Right?

Martin Sleziak

Posts with many invalidated close votes review are probably a bit less frequent, I see a post which has seven of them: data.stackexchange.com/math/query/1330541/…

I did not notice that 4 days rule.

It seems that rules around invalidating clove votes reviews are quite complicated. Maybe somebody has better knowledge how exactly they work.

> when the aging task fires it just looks at every post that has at least 100 views where all outstanding close votes are older than 4 days.

> Then it deletes a close vote. A day later, it runs again and does the same thing, until either another close vote shows up, or all the close votes are deleted.

Of course, the question is whether this information is still true or whether something changed since then.

In any case, there ins't much more I can say to this. Maybe you'll find somebody who has more input. (Or maybe you'll find some userful information on this somewhere in meta.)

@Tyberius Maybe Nike Dattani will get some response from the sites he mentioned in the comment.

I've posted it here and here. One room is specifically for MATLAB and the other specifically for Physics. I worry that it still won't be enough. I don't know a lot of people that work a lot with quaternions. Many mathematicians know what they are, but I think might be unlikely to answer a question about grain-boundaries or crystallography. Perhaps you can explain in the above two chat rooms, some more details about what you want? — Nike Dattani 8 hours ago

Shivering Soldier

09:38

@MartinSleziak Thank you for your time and kindness. I'm almost sure that it's just the usual process, as you said.

Martin Sleziak

I will add that there is also Computational Science.

@Tyberius If you want some kind of feedback from the mods, if this goes unnoticed for some time, maybe you should ping one of the moderators. (For example, Xander Henderson is currently logged in in chat - you can see him listed among the users in this room.)

Anyway, the question whether it should be migrated is probably moot at the moment - while the question still has an active bounty.