Ask Ubuntu General Room

Alvar

21:05

how can I see the preferences page or the administer page? ( normal settings )

James Gifford

@StefanoPalazzo Mind if I ask a question about packaging?

@Alvar You mean the "Create new user"/"Change password" screen?

TheX

@JamesGifford hi

Alvar

@JamesGifford no the normal preferences page that I used to find in the upper pannel

Stefano Palazzo

@JamesGifford Not at all

James Gifford

@Alvar No idea then.

Stefano Palazzo

21:06

@Alvar on your profle page, theres a link that says "edit"

Alvar

@StefanoPalazzo what? I'm talking about natty?!?!

Stefano Palazzo

heh, sorry :D

Alvar

in natty can I see a main settings page like in the old 10.10?

James Gifford

@StefanoPalazzo OK. So .desktop's go in /usr/share/applications. I've got a deb that's got a bunch of .desktop's, and it's hierarchy looks like this

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

Can i install UNR in 11.04? http://bit.ly/jhRdrk #1104

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 27, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Stefano Palazzo

21:10

@JamesGifford did I mention I don't know anything about packaging?

(:

Jeremy Bicha

@Ja

Stefano Palazzo

Go ahead, but in the end you might want to ask on the main site

Jeremy Bicha

@JamesGifford or ask on #ubuntu-motu in IRC

Alvar

@AskUbuntuTwitter :D

Jeremy Bicha

but why are you shipping all those .desktop files, shouldn't most of those be shipped by the other apps themselves?

James Gifford

21:12

@StefanoPalazzo haha ok. I thought you knew about packaging.

Stefano Palazzo

@JamesGifford I only know the absolute basics, just what I have to know

James Gifford

@JeremyBicha They're custom .desktops with a bunch of Unity quicklists. This is just a temporary thing until the projects add them themselves.

Ah gotcha. Here's the root of the issue: When it's installed, we get this:

`dpkg: error processing ./code/quicklists/unity-quicklist-examples-builds/unity-quicklist-examples_0.2-1.deb (--install):
trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/chromium-browser.desktop', which is also in package chromium-browser 13.0.749.0~svn20110427r83117-0ubuntu1~ucd1`

Jeremy Bicha

oh, ok, I'm not an advanced packager, but I think the correct answer is to patch each of those apps and ship the modified ~ppa versions in your PPA

yup

James Gifford

haha. Well then. Time to go learn everything. ;)

Jeremy Bicha

dpkg doesn't like for files to be owned by multiple packages

James Gifford

21:14

didn't know that.

Jeremy Bicha

it's an easy change, just modify the .desktop

you don't have to do fancy packaging, and push to your PPA

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar click on the session control button (shutdown icon, top right corner) and select system settings

James Gifford

Sweet. I'll try that. Thanks @JeremyBicha!

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean thanks! :D:D:D:D

lazyPower

@TheX i own that bag

Octavian Damiean

21:19

@lazyPower so do I :)

TheX

@lazyPower awesome I wish I owned that bag...

lazyPower

its awesome

TheX

OMG WHAT IS THAT?!?!?

lazyPower

the bag in question

TheX

I mean behind the bag:P

lazyPower

21:23

a monster O.o

TheX

just joking, was that you?

lazyPower

yessir

Octavian Damiean

@TheX human being holding a bag

TheX

@lazyPower cool

Jeremy Bicha

@JamesGifford you can also try to get your .desktop changes into the Ubuntu packaging, I believe it's too late for 11.04 but Oneiric will be open soon

James Gifford

21:26

@JeremyBicha Already looked. And I'd try for Oneiric, but I won't be available (Read: I've got a real job) until after the UI freeze would most likely be in effect. :L

lazyPower

@JamesGifford you have a real job? since when?

Jeremy Bicha

not enough time to submit a bug and the small patch it needs?

Stefano Palazzo

@JamesGifford mh, not sure if you can do that - maybe ask @ajmitch when he's around

James Gifford

@lazyPower lol. :P Since last week when I got my contract for the summer.

lazyPower

What do you do?

James Gifford

21:28

@JeremyBicha I'm probably going to try.

TheX

@JamesGifford contract for?? mowing my lawn?

Octavian Damiean

@lazyPower thats mean :p

lazyPower

hahahaha

I couldnt resist, its such an open ended answer...

I'm an opportunist, when it presents itself i take it

James Gifford

@lazyPower Working at a scout camp. and yes, i will be mowing lawns. lol.

TheX

I use to be a Boy Scout, no shame in that...

lazyPower

21:30

\o/

i was too. i quit when i hit life rank tho

TheX

I don't remember what rank I was

James Gifford

i'm still working on life. need to get these last two merit badges done.

lazyPower

@JamesGifford you're going to smell like a) a foot and b) campfire. Awesome combination for the summer :P

it drives the ladies nuts i tell ya

ajmitch

@StefanoPalazzo what am I being asked?

James Gifford

@lazyPower lol. :P

Stefano Palazzo

21:31

18 mins ago, by James Gifford

Ah gotcha. Here's the root of the issue: When it's installed, we get this:

`dpkg: error processing ./code/quicklists/unity-quicklist-examples-builds/unity-quicklist-examples_0.2-1.deb (--install):
trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/chromium-browser.desktop', which is also in package chromium-browser 13.0.749.0~svn20110427r83117-0ubuntu1~ucd1`

ajmitch

right, the same file can't be owned by two different packages unless you use dpkg diversions to move one out of the way

TheX

I must have been a star...

Stefano Palazzo

it's a deb with a bunch of .desktop files with quicklists

TheX

I remember passing my 1st class rank

Stefano Palazzo

@ajmitch tell @JamesGifford :-)

James Gifford

21:32

@ajmitch figures.

Thanks! :)

TheX

but I don't remember going any futher then that

ajmitch

@JamesGifford what I said above, and it's far too late to get changes in for natty

@JamesGifford slim chance for getting it in as a stable release update, but it's not an important bugfix, but a new feature, so quite unlikely

dpkg diversions are a little complicated to get right, but it may be your best way to override the packaged .desktop files

James Gifford

Overiding .desktop's doesn't sound like the best idea, since (at least Chomium/Google Chrome) most of those update fairly frequently.

ajmitch

though their .desktop file doesn't get updated that often, I'd guess

still tricky to get right :)

James Gifford

True.

Octavian Damiean

21:38

:(

all design jobs at Canonical are office based, too bad

George Edison

@OctavianDamiean Yeah... I had a look myself.

(Not for design obviously.)

Looks like my changes to StackApplet for Windows support broke the Linux build :P

Octavian Damiean

@GeorgeEdison revert :D

George Edison

@OctavianDamiean That's no solution.

I have to find out why it broke.

Octavian Damiean

@GeorgeEdison I know I just wanted to rescue the linux version :)

George Edison

@OctavianDamiean Don't worry... the Linux version will always be top priority.

trampster

21:45

any predictions on what time 11.04 will be released?

ajmitch

@OctavianDamiean this is why I'd rather apply for a development position, however unlikely it'd be to get :)

Octavian Damiean

oh I'm not worried at all, I have confidence in your skills ;)

ajmitch

@trampster when it's ready

Octavian Damiean

@ajmitch well it's not like I'd really expect to get a position either :)

Marco Ceppi

3

Q: On what time on April 28 is 11.04 released?

Hi, on what specific time is natty realesed on the 28 of april? (I live in CET). ex, When Apple releases their system it's like 9.00 in the moring (in california, USA) which is 19:30 CET.

ajmitch

21:47

@MarcoCeppi flag it, close it with a vengeance!

years of being on irc have made me cry when seeing such questions ;)

Octavian Damiean

@MarcoCeppi what was that one good for I'm asking myself

Marco Ceppi

I think Cyrex has pretty much answered it spot on

ajmitch

yeah it is a fair answer, pretty much "when it's ready"

Marco Ceppi

I might re-word the question to make it generic so we can kill with fire these same questions in 6 months

Octavian Damiean

@MarcoCeppi that'd add value, I agree

ajmitch

21:49

there's always a group of people on IRC that expect it to be out at 00:00 UTC, or 00:00 in their timezone

Marco Ceppi

haha, those most be the people who also still believe the world revolves around them

Octavian Damiean

;D

Marco Ceppi

Why do people care so much - BETA2 and nightly builds are already out. Those who REALLY wanted it have probably already gotten it

ajmitch

in which case, natty is late! it's already about 10AM in NZ!!

sky is falling now

& I still haven't upgraded to maverick on this computer :)

Marco Ceppi

Good thing we live in the past, gives me time to build my shelter

TheX

21:52

@MarcoCeppi but the world does revolve around me...

ajmitch

release day is when the updates stop coming as fast, so it's pretty boring for people who have installed a beta, or have been upgrading as they go

Marco Ceppi

I'm just saying, it's a silly mentality

ajmitch

there will be a few early SRUs, sure

Marco Ceppi

I don't know why I edited that

ajmitch

nor do I

James Gifford

21:55

I want to run something that's under constant development. I miss checking for updates every morning and evening and seeing gobs of stuff waiting for me to install. (Weird I know. But it's true. lol)

Octavian Damiean

updates ... good idea

James Gifford

There's been nothing for the past 12 hours or so. :(

ajmitch

@JamesGifford I generally prefer to run something stable, though I used to always run the latest development release, and prior to that, debian unstable

these days I tend to use VMs or chroots for development work

TheX

@JamesGifford get blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1705

James Gifford

@ajmitch I keep 10.04 LTS in my back pocket for when stuff goes beserk. And I'd totally go with VMs, but I don't have the RAM and CPU.

lazyPower

21:58

@JamesGifford when I upgrade I'll send you my box and those SE stickers.

James Gifford

@TheX Looks interesting.

ajmitch

@JamesGifford 4GB is just enough on this laptop to run VMs when I need it

TheX

@lazyPower you have stickers>

James Gifford

@lazyPower You're joking?

ajmitch

work desktop has 8GB so that I can run windows 7 in virtualbox :)

lazyPower

21:59

@TheX thanks to the DC SEMeetup :)

James Gifford

1GB is barely enough to use Unity. ;)

ajmitch

the only computer I have with only 1GB of RAM still runs hardy

lazyPower

@JamesGifford nah, let me see if the shazbox has a need/purpose at work. if not its yours free and clear. you just pay shipping.

TheX

@JamesGifford you run a box with 1gb or ram??/

lazyPower

@TheX look at most netbooks. they run light with ram. typically 1 - 2 gb of it.

ajmitch

22:00

@TheX it's common in smaller laptops

James Gifford

@TheX Yup. 1GB. :)

TheX

@lazyPower @ajmitch right, but when was the last time you came across a desktop that has 1gb ra,?

ram*

James Gifford

@lazyPower sounds good. I keep meaning to DM you my address for the stickers.

lazyPower

@TheX you made the assumption that @JamesGifford uses a desktop. He's a netbook user.

TheX

@lazyPower good point

lazyPower

22:01

@JamesGifford i figured you were all scared by the fact that i asked for a POBox :P

James Gifford

@TheX Two years ago. The desktop that I picked up off the curb.

@lazyPower haha nope. :P

lazyPower

@JamesGifford if you're interested in shazboxes you can make a trip with your pap over here and pick up an older Dell system for shaz testing.

plus the Gateway shazbox

ajmitch

@TheX desktop? I know of a few people that have them, and who run ubuntu

James Gifford

@lazyPower Sounds like a fun idea.

TheX

what is a shaz box?

ajmitch

22:03

not everyone has the money to buy new hardware every 3-4 years either :)

lazyPower

@JamesGifford again i'll look into it :) If its aavailable 100% its yours bro. I'm going to power it down soon and migrate to a netbook-file-server since they are lower power consumption and I put all of my hosting on linode.

@TheX shazbox = $$@^ box

only, i cleaned it up

TheX

@ajmitch before I got my new desktop, my PC was a hand-me-down, about 8 years old I think

James Gifford

Sweet. Let me know. :)

lazyPower

Thats why i got involved in linux :P i had a p133 lying around with no purpos so i slapped redhat 5.2 on it and started breaking stuff

then i heard about this awesome app called apache, its free, and it serves gasp netpages!

so i loaded up some pico goodness, dropped in my blink tags, spent four hours wrestling with getting the source to compile and have been a user ever since. -- god i was a noob back then

TheX

I use to spend just 4 hours to get my machine turned on...

now it takes about 25 secs

lazyPower

22:06

@TheX do you recall FVWM 95?

@TheX I had a SICK customization i ran with it. I wonder if i still have the SS floating out there in the net-o-sphere.

TheX

@lazyPower no I don't know FVWM95

James Gifford

i got started with linux when I got a HP tower off the curb 4 years ago. Dad had a Fedora 4 CD around, so I installed that. (I didn't know that fedora 4 was outdated, even then)

TheX

now they are up to like fedora 15 lol

lazyPower

dang, i feel like i'm old-school now or something...

James Gifford

then i heard that this new thing called "Ubuntu" had really nice hardware support... so i installed that.

lazyPower

22:08

because i remember when redhate (yes, redhate) forked RHEL and FC. I was a slack 7 user for years, there was an ancient distro that didnt survive called Caldera that i thought was pretty slick...

TheX

My first Linux Distro was Mandrake (Mandriva) whatever it was called back then...

James Gifford

I remember when I tried arch on that HP... that was fun. (No google chrome though)

trampster

I hate my timezone I always forget we are up +12 hours ahead of everyone else.

lazyPower

anymore i just want the stinking thing to work with as little interaction from me as possible. i mean, why spend 90% of your day administering things? slap in the USB Key, install, 40 minutes later you're good to go... Ubuntu /Debian has some some amazing things with the linux UX

anybody ever tried setting up a printer with lprng? That was painful. and CUPS was slightly better with their web-based admin interface...but still. nothing beats the Gnome/Ubuntu printer wizard. select, click hplip, and go. No linuxprinting.org, hunting down the scripts, testing each and every one of them because you forgot to export your bookmarks the last time you reinstalled... :P

yeah ok, this is turning into one of those "back in the day ..." old man type stories. so i'll stfu now

James Gifford

@lazyPower lol.

lazyPower

22:13

@MarcoCeppi does alex still drop by here?

TheX

I just noticed on the Natty Image there is this thing called USB-Creater.exe...

lazyPower

yeah, awesome-sauce usb key creator :)

TheX

I have never noticed it before, guess it was there in 10.10 too

Ubuntu Live USB creator

Ubuntu Live USB creator (usb-creator) is an official tool to create Live USBs of Ubuntu from the Live CD or from an iso image. The tool is by default included in all releases after Ubuntu 8.04, and can be installed on Ubuntu 8.04. A KDE frontend was released for Ubuntu 8.10, and is currently included by default in Kubuntu installations. To run the current version on Ubuntu or other distributions, enter either usb-creator-gtk or usb-creator-kde at the command line. Features *Install bootloader to USB device *Optional persistence (all changes made to the system are saved, unlike a Live CD) ...

lazyPower

word

quote wikipedia then :P

TheX

@lazyPower lol

Octavian Damiean

22:20

ok I officially love bazaar more than git

lazyPower

O.O

er, i mean, why?

trampster

mercurial all the way

lazyPower

CVS ftw \o/

Alvar

quark is now working all thanks to @Takkat !!!

:)

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar how did you solve the problem?

James Gifford

22:23

mercurial. ;)

Alvar

I had to whitelist the program by using dconf-editor

and add strange-quark

ajmitch

@trampster which timezone is that?

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar lolz

3 hours ago, by Octavian Damiean

14

Q: How do I access the system tray?

So I'm messing around with Natty a little, and I noticed that all the apps that would normally use the system tray (or "notification area"?) aren't displaying there. Is that a bug, or is that the way it's going to be? I heard something about Ubuntu getting rid of that feature entirely. Is there a...

unity 11.04 dropbox notification-area

Alvar

that one

I used it,

and added strange-quark

Octavian Damiean

yup the one I told you about three hours ago :D

Alvar

22:29

@OctavianDamiean @takkat told me how to use it and didn't SHOUT at me! ;)

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar no one shouted in here. ;)

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean you did......

a lot

or I mean alot

Octavian Damiean

THAT IS SHOUTING, and that isn't

Alvar

WHAT?!?!?!

Octavian Damiean

and that is alot

trampster

22:31

@ajmitch New Zealand

ajmitch

@trampster aha, another kiwi

I'm in Dunedin

trampster

@ajmitch I'm in christchurch

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean WhAt?1!+

ajmitch

are you on the fairly quiet ubuntu-nz mailing list?

Alvar

well goodnight

trampster

22:33

no, is there any value in being in it?

Alvar

fighting isn't that fun really just put it to sleep...........

ajmitch

@trampster not a lot, usually, but there are sometimes people posting stuff :)

DoR

Is there any way to make the size of the window shadows in unity smaller?

ajmitch

0

Q: How do I change the size of the compiz window shadow?

I want to change the size of the shadow of windows in Unity, the default is a bit too big for me. Launching CCSM and playing with the options under "Window Decoration" does not seem to make a difference and disabling that plugin leaves me with no window decoration at all.

unity compiz

though that seems to be a duplicate of some other question

6

Q: Is it possible to remove shadows behind windows and menus?

Is it possible to remove shadows behind windows and menus in Ubunty 11.04 with Unity?

11.04 unity gui theme window

DoR

@ajmitch I already tried the answer, it doesn't work. :(

ajmitch

22:38

well that's a pain :)

lazyPower

@DoR!!

Havent seen you in forever mate.

Jorge Castro

6

Q: PSA: 11.04 Release Day

Basically for all intents and purposes that matter to us 11.04 is finished. When we launched we only had the beta under our belts and we've developed the site into what it is today. Since launch we've had to compete with 7 years of built up Ubuntu material on the internet. With a new UI we have...

discussion

It is upon us soon!

DoR

@lazyPower Yeah, I haven't been on here in a while :P

ajmitch

@JorgeCastro are we prepared for the onslaught of questions? :)

Jorge Castro

I have plenty of caffeine

and Shutter is ready

ajmitch

22:45

heh

Jorge Castro

for when the younglings start cluttering the answers with their half baked answers I can drop the hammer of completeness +1 on them

lazyPower

+1 for D&D reference

ajmitch

I'll try & come up with some useful answers every so often

lazyPower

I shall forever remain vigilantly lazy

ajmitch

I hope that the lens+unity bug gets fixed soonish

also, how useful would it be to be able to search across all bugs in launchpad from the lens?

Dananjaya

22:49

Hello Ubuntu General Room...

lazyPower

Hello @Dananjaya

Dananjaya

I just updated to 11.04 and my screen resolution is somewhat fouled. My monitor is capable of displaying 1280x1024 and that was the resolution of previous Ubuntu (10.10) Now I can't change the resolution

It stuck at 1024x768

what may be the problem?

ajmitch

for something like that, you may get better help by asking a question on the site, rather than in chat.

I don't pretend to know anything about X anymore :)

George Edison

@ajmitch Yeah, me neither :P

lazyPower

@Dananjaya What type of video card do you have?

George Edison

22:55

Besides, we won't have to put up with X much longer.

lazyPower

not to go against the status quo, but i know a little bit about it ;P

Dananjaya

It's an Intel on board VGA.

Using a D410PT board. (Intel Atom)

lazyPower

@Dananjaya ok. Integrated Intel gfx chip, was there a restricted module that you loaded in 10.10 to get all of the great functionality before?

George Edison

stackmobile.com/beta

^---- I switched to jQuery Mobile.

Any thoughts?

ajmitch

@GeorgeEdison I'd expect that we'll be putting up with X for awhile longer still

Dananjaya

22:56

@lazyPower not that anything I know..

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison dude i'm LOVING jquery these days. writing an entire management panel in it with an AJAX web-service powering the core.

ajmitch

@lazyPower it is rather useful, isn't it?

it manages to cover up a multitudes of sins that IE commits :P

lazyPower

@ajmitch coupled with the JQuery UI, i've been building some solid apps lately. and @MarcoCeppi has been helping me build some awesome-sauce with it too. Nifty trick of cloning DOM elements allows me to template most of my output

George Edison

@lazyPower What do you think of jQuery UI?

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison its got its quirks. But for the most part, i'm really liking it. I wish i had an alternative widget set to use though.

ajmitch

22:58

@lazyPower I've been using it a bit, still too much remaining for me to learn though :)

lazyPower

i saw wijmo, which is expensive but attractive looking all the same.

ajmitch

how does it compare with YUI?

George Edison

@lazyPower: What do you think of jQuery Mobile?

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison havent used jquery mobile yet

Jorge Castro

@lazyPower are you and marco coworkers?

lazyPower

23:00

i'm still developing for last years products... the desktop.

@JorgeCastro no, marco is my mentor

he deserves a cake for all the shaz he's helpd me with already

George Edison

@lazyPower You can see a demo here: stackmobile.com/beta

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison nice man

ajmitch

0

Q: It is 28th April 2011 in Europe, so when comes Ubuntu 11.04 Final?

In Europe it's the 'Final' Day, so where is the Release? Maybe anybody knows the exact hour???

google-chrome opera kill

rage

George Edison

@lazyPower Do the transitions work alright?

lazyPower

uhh the tags are chrome, opera, kill?

George Edison

23:02

It's actually still in beta ATM.

ajmitch

@lazyPower seriously, yes

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison the animations need some tweaking, they arent fluid on chrome

@ajmitch can we cluebat users yet?

George Edison

@lazyPower Yeah, they're designed to work in mobile browsers though.

They are very fluid in the webOS browser, for example.

ajmitch

@lazyPower we have to leave that to the friendly moderators

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison right on

George Edison

23:03

(I tested it in that and the Android browser.)

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison i'll load it up on my droid later when i'm not 64 lines into a new method on my webservice :P

@ajmitch do they HAVE to be friendly?

@GeorgeEdison but i digress. i like the general feel of the app

@GeorgeEdison has a native feel for a browser-based-app

ajmitch

@lazyPower they did sort of promise to be nice

lazyPower

is flex a nice language to have under your belt?

i'm probably going to have to write a flash applet :|

ajmitch

@lazyPower first thing I thought you meant was flex.sourceforge.net

lazyPower

no, there is an alternative to action script called flex

George Edison

23:13

@lazyPower Well....

It's not really an alternative. It's actually a full-fledged ActionScript compiler.

I've used it myself on a number of occasions.

lazyPower

oh, well...er.. i dont know that much about it obviously :)

George Edison

quickmediasolutions.com/sandbox/audio_player

^---- A Flex app I made.

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison how would you feel about making some ching as a freelance/sub-contractor?

George Edison

@lazyPower I don't know... it sounds good.

Why?

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison I'll email you the specs and you can let me know if you're interested.

DoR

23:16

Is there anyway to remove that square in the bottom right corner of every window?

It's ugly,

lazyPower

brb, going to grab food

George Edison

Looks like HowThingsWork.SE failed.

ajmitch

failed? I thought it only just went into private beta?

Marco Ceppi

23:41

I bought a love sac

TheX

@MarcoCeppi that.... just sounds.... wrong...

Marco Ceppi

@ajmitch It was in private beta but didn't survive it - they pulled the plug two days ago

lovesac.com

TheX

they look like overpriced beanbags...

Marco Ceppi

Basically - but they are super comfy

TheX

I would hope so...

therulesofagentleman.com/page/30

lazyPower

23:47

@GeorgeEdison you've got mail

@MarcoCeppi we have one of those in our new office

its pimp

Marco Ceppi

@lazyPower yeah, I got the super sac classic tweed

TheX

I just sit on my overplump cat

lazyPower

@JorgeCastro thought we worked together marco. You sure you dont want me to get you on the payroll?

Marco Ceppi

Haha, I never say no to money

lazyPower

:D

great policy

Wish I could list you as my mentor man. if you had asp.net on your resume you'd be in there. I'd have you hired as a consultant so fast.

TheX

23:49

now this is something worth spending large sums of moneyu on

George Edison

@lazyPower: Can we talk in the room I created?

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison sure

@GeorgeEdison send me an invite and i'm there

George Edison

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/443/…

@lazyPower: -----^

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