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18:05
Mozilla Chromeless looks pretty good for desktop html+js
that wasn't fun :\
the update broke my networking, there apparently was a fight between connman and network-manager
I'm now on a spare computer, with no idea what to do (:
2 hours ago, by Octavian Damiean
@Alvar well it is just that I've experienced issues in the past which made me not upgrade anymore but perform clean installs
I've never had to fresh install. Upgrades all the way! :D
I just need to install connman, it's been removed because it's 'obsolete', but that's kind of tricky without an internet connection (:
18:12
How to add a bookmark to the Home Folder icon in Unity? http://bit.ly/mxYwUB #unity
oh well, thanks to cloud computing there's only 3gb of backups, so I guess I'll install it freshly
@StefanoPalazzo indeed thanks to the cloud fresh installs are really nothing dramatic anymore
heh, it appears my Documents directory contains 35,000 files
I have never had to do a upgrade, fresh install all the way!
18:20
it''s almost done now...
@StefanoPalazzo mine is almost done just removing some not needed stuff, 56 packages...
best of luck :)
@StefanoPalazzo how are yours going?
@Alvar hi
Oh man.. this spare machine is almost unusable
@TheX Hi :D
18:23
no idea what's going on, but it's awfully slow
@Alvar whats going on?
it's on auto remove I think
IT'S FINISHED!
going down for a reboot! :D:D:D:D:D:D
@Alvar what is? Mac OS 9?
@TheX my natty upgrade!
well it's a drum roll moment! :D
cya on the other side!
bye
18:28
woooooow (no sarcasm)
unity is quite good
@Alvar awesome isn't it? :)
@OctavianDamiean but there is no beta driver on the nivida driver flash! strangely! :P
@OctavianDamiean but it's not really like the one in 10.04 netbook!
@Alvar nope not at all
@OctavianDamiean I LOVE that when you start an app that it's flashing or glowing it's awesome! :D
what is libre office?
@Alvar It's the OpenOffice.org fork
18:32
@MarcoCeppi fork?
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Q: What is the difference between OpenOffice and the newly created LibreOffice?

RunningUtesWhat is the difference between OpenOffice and LibreOffice? I understand that LibreOffice is another fork that is going to be developed. I have used OpenOffice since v1 and am wondering if there is a definite advantage to uninstalling and trying LibreOffice.

In software engineering, a project fork happens when developers take a legal copy of source code from one software package and start independent development on it, creating a distinct piece of software. Free and open source software is that which, by definition, may be forked from the original development team without prior permission without violating any copyright law. However, licensed forks of proprietary software (e.g. Unix) also happen. Etymology The term fork comes from the POSIX standard for portable operating systems. Here, fork() is a system call which a process uses to creat...
It's like saying "Ubuntu is a Fork of Debian"
Because that's how it started
unbelievable
aha...
18:33
10 minutes it took me to kill the update manager
@StefanoPalazzo whoot?
@StefanoPalazzo xkill?
man! quark isn't working now! :(
what is that?
I know this is an old machine, but not that old
QuarkXpress?
no
quark the music player!
18:36
right, I'm off to make a salad, before I get annoyed
@Alvar dude you have Banshee installed by deafult, what do you need Quark for?
@OctavianDamiean banshee uses 1 ton of cpu
quark is very easy to use and uses like 0 cpu..
18:38
@Alvar Is that a metric ton? :)
and I hate banshee almost as much as rythmbox
@MarcoCeppi 1000 kg?
can't comment on that as I have so much power that I just don't feel such things
@MarcoCeppi the real world is metric only usa and england is a bit after everyone else...
I thought England was also Metric?
@OctavianDamiean well banshee is a video player as well and that is just stupid
18:39
@Alvar he is from Vienna anyway don't worry he loves the metric system
@MarcoCeppi noooooo, they are lefties...
@OctavianDamiean L0L
where is the bottom panel in natty? it's missing!
I cant switch between windows and I can't hide everything by just clicking a button! :(
@Alvar what would you need it for? You have the launcher
Ctrl + D
@OctavianDamiean launcher? the left thing?
ctrl + d is bookmark a page
18:42
super + d
why can't I change the order the programs are in?
super?
alt? shift? Fn?
oh man I'm an idiot, I meant super + d yes lol
super
thats the Windows key
for @OctavianDamiean its called ubuntu key ;D
@OctavianDamiean ooh, I can't use it it's against the natrual law of a mac person... sry
@Dani3l Tux key ;)
18:43
ah ye tux key ^^
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Q: Is there a Unity equivalent of the GNOME panel 'show desktop' applet?

melodramI miss the symbol to show the desktop with just one click when using Unity instead of the classic desktop. Is there a possibility to get the "Show Desktop" applet or an equivalent? There is a bug report on: Bug #681348 ("Add 'show me the desktop' keyboard or Unity dock shortcut") Can people...

21
Q: What are the meta, super, and hyper keys?

Jorge CastroIn System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout -> Options ->Alt/Win key behavior What do meta, super, hyper mean?

super can't be used epic fail...
@Alvar of course
@Alvar it would be your command key
@OctavianDamiean oooh I see that can't be ... the thing u call ctrl?
ye ;D tux key, i should get them too
18:47
@Alvar not sure if I got you but I in fact meant the super key, I just had a brain-lag
@OctavianDamiean haha.. the super key and the ctrl key is the same in a mac
@Alvar oh, interesting, didn't know
@Alvar Thta's not true - the Ctrl and Cmd key are completely different
:D
@MarcoCeppi well ctrl + c is the same as cmd + c
@MarcoCeppi beat him up he is fooling me :D
18:48
linux vs mac
fight!
That's because Mac is just wrong with the way they do shortcuts :P
@OctavianDamiean not at all marco is not as clever as he thinks pc man
@MarcoCeppi no way tard! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
:P
I took a picture of a keyboard.
did the same
the outcome was different tho
:p
18:51
My little finger feels so neglected when I use this Mac. My thumb goes crazy because it's sole purpose on the left hand is to bash the space bar
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Q: how can I make quark the music player to work in unity?

Alvarhi, When I start quark in natty nothing happens it doesn't appear in the upper panel next to the network. so I can't use it, how can I fix it? The worst solution is to just use a normal desktop but that is kind of failing.

Every night when I got home I have to retrain my fingers :(
@MarcoCeppi not if you are used to do it...
@MarcoCeppi I have to do the same! but the other way around.....'
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Q: How do I access the system tray?

JonSo I'm messing around with Natty a little, and I noticed that all the apps that would normally use the system tray (or "notification area"?) aren't displaying there. Is that a bug, or is that the way it's going to be? I heard something about Ubuntu getting rid of that feature entirely. Is there a...

@Alvar does getting used to it mean become physically disabled?
because thats what happens when you use a fancy apple keyboard
18:53
@OctavianDamiean that's just stupid....
@StefanoPalazzo wow.... what'd you do?!
@OctavianDamiean u are so lame when you know that you can't win an argument....
@JamesGifford google chrome? (google translate inside the page) I could translate everything into swedish)
@JamesGifford looks like the keyboard picture up there is causing it
@StefanoPalazzo Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame
@Alvar possible. idk though. it's Stefano's sytem.
18:55
@Alvar my tendons started to hurt like stupid after having to use it for two weeks ... it is not just bs. Also my little and my ring finger on the left hand became numb
@StefanoPalazzo ouch.
maybe I'm just allergic to Apple stuff
watches the keyboard wars I use a tiny 10" netbook keyboard. if @MarcoCeppi thinks HIS thumb hurts on that Mac one, imagine what it's like on this tiny beast. ;P
hey Natty's installer is absolutely beautiful
@OctavianDamiean I hate to use a pc keyboard beacuse I always press the windows flag and that makes no sence! :P I really love the good macs :P
@StefanoPalazzo a terminal?
18:56
it's now talking about how my computer is going to be "delightful"
how cools is that :)
@StefanoPalazzo I LOVE THE NEW INSTALLER. :D
@StefanoPalazzo it indeed is beautiful!
a terminal?
@Alvar no, the graphical installer, Ubuquity
@Alvar But it makes sense because that key is Super! :P
18:57
@Alvar Just get a Ubuntu sticker. :P
@MarcoCeppi cmd
@JamesGifford or Tux keys like me :D
@JamesGifford I should get one on the ubuntu coke! :P
I love the fullscreen mode in unity :D
@OctavianDamiean I'd use Tux keys. :D
@Alvar lol. :P
I want a solaris key
18:58
me too :)
@MarcoCeppi I will change it to a cmd key! :D
Also, I want a Solaris
.
:P

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