Ask Ubuntu General Room

ajmitch

00:00

another day, another 30 votes to cast

George Edison

Are there plans for Ubuntu to support ARM processors?

ajmitch

@GeorgeEdison ARM has been supported for quite awhile

Canonical are dedicating quite a bit of resources towards this, along with other companies in the linaro project

from what I can tell, ARM images have been available since jaunty

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

00:18

Why doesn' t wireshark work? http://bit.ly/hFMxQa #installation

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 27, 2011 at 12:09 AM

George Edison

03:09

0

A: How to get smooth scrolling in Nautilus?

This feature is not available in Nautilus, sorry.

@RolandTaylor: ----^

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

How to install .xpi file for firefox? http://bit.ly/fa83j7 #1104

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 27, 2011 at 3:09 AM

trampster

03:59

0

Q: Is ubuntu 11.04 release image ready?

Is the current daily image release quality enabled ?. Or should I wait till 28th Apr before installing ? If i install today, will there be any difference ?.

Will be out of date tomorrow

Trufa

@trampster this is the case for too localized

I think

Hi @all if anyone has experience with netbease, with pydev (not sure if it matter) I'm having a problem.

Whenever I run some scipts

the some proces keep running

consuming all the CPU

I have to manually kill many process called java

TheX

04:20

@trampster what my answer not good enough for you? :P

@Trufa java is a joke...

trampster

I'm sure its a great answer, but it was not my question and it will be out of date tomorrow. It will be of almost no value to the community after today.

Trufa

@TheX hehe the joke is on my CPU usage

hehe what do you mean by joke?

TheX

@trampster @Trufa nothing... was just joshin'

Trufa

@TheX :)

TheX

@Trufa but java is the scorn of programming languages...

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

06:17

Is there an easy way to view the print queue in Natty http://bit.ly/hC1HJl #1104

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 27, 2011 at 6:09 AM

Octavian Damiean

07:45

morning

Dani3l

good morning @OctavianDamiean

Greg

@OctavianDamiean hi there

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

09:15

natty- gnome3 - stripped bar http://bit.ly/gOLQ52 #1104

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 27, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Greg

09:57

test

Octavian Damiean

test

Alaukik

10:42

0

Q: What is the linux repository system?

How is it better than Windows and Mac system of downloading and installing applications from the Web?

repository

should this be migrated to unix and linux ?

Octavian Damiean

11:02

@Alaukik reworded the title to be more correct, it has not much to do with Ubuntu so imo it would be a migration candidate

Alvar

11:44

When is natty released? is it 00:00 on the 29? what time is it out?

btw hi @all

Octavian Damiean

it is tomorrow, don't know the exact hour tho

Alvar

tomorrow, (:O) isn't it due to the 29? ....

Oli

@Alaukik There's little value in moving something that is both five thousand years old and is answered with votes. It just means the user won't be able to find their question if they go looking for it. I've built on @OctavianDamiean's title edit to make it more Ubuntu centric.

Octavian Damiean

@Oli hmm sounds good, I was afraid to break the context of the answer but apparently the answer was wrote very generic so that it still is correct. :)

@Alvar nope, 28. April :)

Achu

12:12

@all hello!!!

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

Is there any daemon in ubuntu which constantly monitors system and execute script? http://bit.ly/e9w4mL #monitor

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 27, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Octavian Damiean

12:32

omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/…

now even if I'd still go with Gimp and InkScape, it would be a major win for linux

Octavian Damiean

12:49

0

Q: Schools and ubuntu

Why do schools not use ubuntu? I'm assuming it is because not many people use it (hmm...) and people aren't really familiar with it. It is free and really fast, so I'm not sure why... I haven't heard of a school but there probably is a few.

education

how can this one be reworded?

Marco Ceppi

@OctavianDamiean very carefully :)

Octavian Damiean

@MarcoCeppi lol :D

thanks for the invaluable tip :p

I mean the way it is now it is just argumentative, kind of

Marco Ceppi

Could be made into a "how do I get schools to"

but it's subjective "Why do schools not use Ubuntu" - We don't have a high enough population of Schools on the site to answer for themselves

As the question currently stands it's better suited for a forum discussion

Wishes he could migrate questions to ubuntuforums

4

Octavian Damiean

indeed, I think rewording it to how do I get schools to ... is also pretty hard to answer since you need either someone who did it already or a school to answer it

Marco Ceppi

But the Ubuntu Advantage team could possibly weigh in about support stuff

Maybe

Marco Ceppi

13:14

I've got to stop writing so much code for answers

David Murdoch

14:04

@MarcoCeppi awesome, and thanks.... So, I edited the sudoers file with the line you gave me (specifically: myadmin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:'/opt/my app/my app') using gedit (I know now that I should have used visudo) and now i can't sudo anything.

Marco Ceppi

@DavidMurdoch Do you have spaces in your file name?

David Murdoch

I tried holding both shift and escape (on separate restarts) and neither of them give me an sort of menu in which to select recovery mode

Yes. The application just compiles that way

so I left it as it was.

Marco Ceppi

Okay, so myadmin was your guest account or your admin account?

David Murdoch

admin account

Marco Ceppi

Okay, you wanted to do that for you guest account - the admin would stay the same (or that was the idea)

You can fix this - but you'll need a live CD or to drop into single mode from Grub

I know you have to "run" around to get to the machine - so do you have a LiveCD available?

David Murdoch

14:07

No CD drive. :-)

usb drive is here.

Marco Ceppi

Do you have an Ubuntu USB drive that you can boot into a live-session with?

David Murdoch

I was reading about holding down Shift or Esc but neither of them work. :-/

not at the moment, but I can get one.

Marco Ceppi

Okay, did you ever set a password for root on the machine? (By default root account is disabled so you would have had to done this explicitly and not many people do)

David Murdoch

don't think so (I din't set up the machine) But if there is a PW I think i know what it is (and if not, i can get it)

Marco Ceppi

Try to switch to a virtual TTY with Ctrl+Alt+F1 and type in root as the user and the suspected password. If you can't get in that way just make a Live-Session USB drive. Once you do that you'll be able to boot into Live-CD mode, mount the file system, and edit the sudoers file to either remove that line or modify it to have the guest username

David Murdoch

14:11

brb. :-)

boo, no luck with root. working on getting the live-session usb set up.

Marco Ceppi

k

It's always handy to have one around :)

David Murdoch

so, the only issue with myadmin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:'/opt/my app/my app' is that I put the admin user instead of the guest user?

Marco Ceppi

Right

David Murdoch

that would cause the parse error? weird.

Marco Ceppi

No, the parse error is that you have ' marks

You need to escape the spaces with ``

TheX

14:15

hello

Marco Ceppi

guest ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/opt/my\ app/my\ app

Or rename the app to use _ instead of spaces

David Murdoch

ah, so my quotes probably messed it up.

Marco Ceppi

highly likely, I've never tested with quotes but I'm going to assume that's it

David Murdoch

i'm downloading the xubuntu 10.10 live cd now. gunna take awhile

Marco Ceppi

There's a way to drop into single mode from grub, but I can't recall on the top of my head since I never use it

Alvar

14:24

on what time of the 28 is natty released?

Marco Ceppi

@Alvar it's typically "When we're ready" don't know if they've setup an exact time yet

David Murdoch

so, what do you think think is the best OS for memory/cpu constrained machines (1.6 GHz proc and 1GB RAM)?

Alvar

@MarcoCeppi lol

Octavian Damiean

3

A: Second screen detection

You don't have to logout. Go to System → Administration → NVIDIA X Server Settings or click on the Applications lens in the Launcher and search for NVIDIA. Select X Server Display Configuration. From the Model drop down list select the display you want to activate. Click on Configure and ...

screenshots \o/

Alvar

it's a bit worrying when it says beta driver on the nvidia graphics...

Octavian Damiean

14:28

@Alvar where does it say that?

Oli

@Alvar They're no less stable than the "stable" releases in my experience. They're all just as likely to crash out or eat all your memory.

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean on my start up in 10.10 a nivida logo flashes and it says that in a red text, it didnt do it in 10.04 strangely!

@Oli ehm what? if it is stable then they wont chrash?!

Jorge Castro

how did we end up with a firefox-4 tag?

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar I guess at that point you can't take a screenshot already eh?

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean no ;) bu i can take a pic with my iPhone 3g ;) brb

Marco Ceppi

14:31

@JorgeCastro Apr 19th someone asked a question with a bad tag :)

Alvar

there....

it didn't say beta driver in 10.04 LOL

Octavian Damiean

I have never before seen such a splash screen

it is awesome and I want it!

Alvar

it's strange and it began like 2 months ago! 10.04

it appears during 1 seccond...

Octavian Damiean

I reckon that one appears after the Ubuntu boot splash?

Oli

14:48

@OctavianDamiean Just comment out Option "NoLogo" "True" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Octavian Damiean

@Oli :o

trys

@Oli uhm where exactly in xorg.conf? I mean in which section?

might sound stupid

Oli

Screen in mine

Octavian Damiean

k thanks

Oli

@OctavianDamiean Hmm. It's not in my newest xorg.conf but it's in my older ones (on older computers).

Octavian Damiean

done

reboots

is not lucky

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

15:14

Schools and ubuntu http://bit.ly/dX2DSq #education

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 27, 2011 at 3:09 PM

lazyPower

I'm so stoked. I just nailed the basics to Unit Testable code

Marco Ceppi

@lazyPower nice

Alvar

15:34

I hate waiting! :( (I want natty now! (I'm really a child))

$ sudo do-release-upgrade
Checking for a new ubuntu release
No new release found

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar well you can have natty right now already

just upgrade

Alvar

HoW? !?!

Octavian Damiean

dude please don't tell me you didn't know! :D

Stefano Palazzo

isn't it "do-release-upgrade -d"?

Alvar

well this works

Octavian Damiean

15:38

16

Q: How do I upgrade to the development release (aka. Ubuntu+1)?

I've seen that Unity with compiz is availiable as a ppa for natty, but I'm using Maverick. How do I 'upgrade' my system to Natty so I can try out the new nifty Unity desktop ?

upgrade release-management

Alvar

L0L -d means I can upgrade to natty

Octavian Damiean

do-release-upgrade - manual page for do-release-upgrade

Upgrade the operating system to the latest release from the command-line. This is the preferred command if the machine has no graphic environment or if the machine is to be upgraded over a remote connection.

manpages are awesome, read them!

Alvar

"upgrading to natty by typing "do-release-upgrade -d" :D

it's calculating the changes :P

Stefano Palazzo

I'm going to upgrade as well

can't wait another day (:

Octavian Damiean

lolz hard :D

couldn't wait another two weeks :D

Oli

15:44

I think I'll probably reinstall Natty today too. Unity is getting on my nerves and the upgrade broke my panels-based desktop (though it should have worked - works in live - something squiffy in the config)

Jorge Castro

@Oli, @StefanoPalazzo hey

Stefano Palazzo

hi @Jorge

Oli

@JorgeCastro Hi Jorge

Octavian Damiean

@JorgeCastro o/

Stefano Palazzo

1.7 gigabytes

Jorge Castro

15:45

hey so the release team wants to do something

Stefano Palazzo

wow

Jorge Castro

and I need your thumbs up or down

right now in the release notes

they do

"this is broken, here's how you fix it"

in a huge list

they want to instead do "here's all the problems and workarounds"

and then they would post a Q+A for each one on au

and then tag it with something

Octavian Damiean

awesome :D

Jorge Castro

so that they can say "here are all the known workarounds for the release"

Octavian Damiean

myriads of new users = win

Stefano Palazzo

15:47

@JorgeCastro where can I find the list?

Oli

myriads of people posting "me too", too

Jorge Castro

right

ok so they just told me they would like to do this for P

er, O, not N.

so it gives us time to think

Oli

Well protecting the threads isn't that much work... If we do get problem threads, it's only a couple of clicks.

Stefano Palazzo

oh okay

Octavian Damiean

@Oli thats good as well because it makes me get closer to my Deputy badge :D

Oli

15:48

I think the benefits (for us and users) outweigh the downsides.

Jorge Castro

@Oli maybe like "official-workaround" or something

or "release-notes"

Octavian Damiean

also protecting them right away is not a bad idea, no need to leave em open

Stefano Palazzo

I'm thinking, some of the questions will be off topic, too localised or whatever. And I'd hate to have us all apply different rules to them. But, if they're answered quickly, it doesn't really matter if they're closed

Oli

@JorgeCastro Oh, just got that... So we've got 6 months before something like this is actually in place?

Stefano Palazzo

So I'm pretty sure it'll work

Jorge Castro

15:50

yeah they just pinged me

and I was like "oh that sounds awesome, gimme 10 minutes to figure it out with the guys"

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo why do you think they might potentially be off-topic and/or too localized?

Jorge Castro

and then they were like "we mean for next time, we've already written the notes for tomorrow and find that it sucks"

so I asked for an example question

and this is one:

Toshiba NB305 hangs for 5 minutes after suspend. Workaround: specify "nohz=off highres=off" as kernel parameters at boot. (508516)

So basically that would be rewritten in jeopardy mode

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean well just statistically speaking if you have 100 questions, like two or three of them will be closed

just a fact of life :)

Jorge Castro

wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes

has the current list

look at known issues

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo hmm I'm not sure if that really applies to this special case, as it is a list of well known issues within Ubuntu but on the other side I know your Maths/statistics skills so I don't argue :D

Stefano Palazzo

15:54

Mh.. having them as questions will mean they'll be much more detailed than just one or two technical sentences, they'll be edited, kept up to date, and so on

that sounds just great

Jorge Castro

I'll talk to them at UDS

Oli

@JorgeCastro That's a long list of issues. Seems longer than previous releases at this stage.

Jorge Castro

some of these won't fly, they're kind of crap

* 10-30% increase in power consumption. (760131)

for example

Octavian Damiean

oh god I just realized that they are sectioned, damn thats quite a few indeed

Jorge Castro

@Oli looks about the same to me, you can drop the entire btrfs section, etc.

or maybe we're just adding more to the list?

@StefanoPalazzo are you coming to UDS?

Stefano Palazzo

15:56

@JorgeCastro I love the idea. We better tag them with [known-issues] or something so that they get a little bit of leeway when it comes to closing, merging and locking; it should work really well

Octavian Damiean

gosh @StefanoPalazzo won ... omapdss DISPC error on Panda platform. I should've shut my mouth :/

Jorge Castro

@StefanoPalazzo yeah, we'll figure something out

@StefanoPalazzo I'm keen that they don't want to turn it into a fancy bug tracker

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro Don't know yet, I haven't heard back from anyone

@JorgeCastro we could make a post on meta, like a template for known-issues questions; include prominent links to bug reports, and we need to make absolutely sure they are questions, if the guys can manage that, I think it'll make ubuntu better, therefore, thumbs up from me :)

Alvar

@StefanoPalazzo I'm not shore I'm going to do it now, it will take like 3-4 hours ( 10.10 did upgraded yesterday!)

Jorge Castro

ok, I'll do that, but post UDS, I want to hear more about what they're trying to accomplish

Alvar

16:00

can I like listen to music and use chrome while I'm upgrading?

if I can then I will start now.... lol

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro If I come to UDS, I could help talk it through with you and the release team

Jorge Castro

yeah

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar of course you can, just make a live CD (USB) version of Natty and install from there

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean Why not just upgrade form the terminal?

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar I honestly wouldn't upgrade, but that is just personal preference, not sure how the upgrading thingy works so that might be possible as well

Alvar

16:04

@OctavianDamiean I upgraded from 10.10 yesterday and it's just as stable as 10.04... which natty wont be...

Fitoschido

@OctavianDamiean Upgrade confidently, it's very stable.

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar well it is just that I've experienced issues in the past which made me not upgrade anymore but perform clean installs

Alvar

aaa whatever lets upgrade!

Stefano Palazzo

hey @OctavianDamiean I've got something fun, you might like it

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean I hate making a clean install since I have to manually update the software and install everything again it takes like 2 weeks until u are where u have been before upgrading!

Stefano Palazzo

16:07

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar well that depends on how you use your computer, for me it takes only a few hours to be back to my normal state, thanks to the cloud :D

Stefano Palazzo

this is the first ever scientific pocket calculator (I hope I can buy one some day)

but for now, this will have to do:

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo awesome :)

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean can u store all of your settings and programs in the "cloud" :P

or on a bakup?

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo wa?? Did you? No you didn't!

Alvar

16:09

beacuse if I could bakup all my settings and other software tell me how NOW! :D

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean it's not an exact clone, there's a bit more precision and I've changed all they operators from (x+y) to (y+x), but yeah, I had a free afternoon and decided to have some fun, old school (:

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar why would you need to? Newer version often means newer software anyway

@StefanoPalazzo amazing! :D

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean well I dont want to install java eclipse, flash etc etc.... and I dont want to set up my window themes and power management all over again! :(

Jorge Castro

@StefanoPalazzo going to team to team at UDS asking how they can use AU at UDS would be totally awesome

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean this is another one, it's not at all faithful to the original (because the original had a million functions, just not enough time)

Octavian Damiean

16:14

@Alvar put them on /opt and have /opt be a separate partition. Create a shell script which simply copies .desktop files for those programs to /usr/share/applications

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro yeah indeed; I'm also thinking about how we can make AU work as a support platform for smaller software projects

I don't think we're ready for that yet, but it'd be nice if we could just let people create tags for my-pet-project and have them use AU as their primary help resource

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo hmm that sounds quite interesting actually

@StefanoPalazzo is that calculator in your PPA? I mean the HP 35.

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean No, it's just a single file

Octavian Damiean

wants it :D

Stefano Palazzo

gimme a sec :)

Alvar

16:19

@OctavianDamiean I might do that when my upgrade to natty has finished ;)

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean paste.ubuntu.com/599869

Octavian Damiean

I'll be back in about half an hour

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean dinner?

Octavian Damiean

@Alvar if you need help with that, tell me ;)

lazyPower

oh oh more calculator pr0n

Octavian Damiean

16:20

@Alvar kind of

Alvar

@OctavianDamiean I will ;)

@OctavianDamiean oooooooh......

9 min left on the download :D

TheX

hi

Alvar

@TheX Hi

I'm upgrading to natty, couldn't w8 really...

TheX

@Alvar let me know how the upgrade process goes :D

Alvar

@TheX k

TheX

16:24

hopefully you made backups :D

Alvar

it's downloading files VERY fast...

@TheX I'm now ;)

TheX

smart man :D

Alvar

well most things were already on a bakup at the mac pro, which has a bakup as well :D

just copying some school files which mustn't be destroyed...

the download said it would take 22 min but it has taken only 10! :D

TheX

I wish Ubuntu had a time machine alternative...

Alvar

@TheX that would be awesome :D

I whish there would be a code converter between linux and mac os x! ;)

TheX

16:29

Even Windows does, even though it is third-party...

Alvar

dont swear! Grrr

2mb/s download! :D

TheX

comodo.com/home/data-storage-encryption/data-recovery.php

Alvar

this version of ubuntu may eb one of those you wonder how you could live without! ;)

TheX

@Alvar I am a windows IT manager I have to swear, it is my job :P

Alvar

@TheX :D

@TheX you know why their aren't any mac IT support? ;)

TheX

16:31

because schools can't afford the hardware?

Alvar

didn't you have a power mac g3 isn't that like backstabbing your company?

@TheX nooo (emacs! ;))

TheX

I had my mac g3 before I worked here...

Alvar

@TheX beacuse u don't need it they never really brake down...

@TheX oooh....

my next computer must be a mac, with a portion of ubuntu.... :D

TheX

besides... windows = paid bills

Alvar

I've reached the point of no return! :P

TheX

16:33

@Alvar here is my initial response to Natty if you care to read about it...

2buntu.com/index.php/archives/430

Alvar

@TheX you mean wirus=more worrying and danger than u need? (thwy will sue u and make u pay for it)....

TheX

no i mean people pay me to fix their windows machines...

Besides, I need Windows to watch netflix...

Alvar

@TheX what are they stupid it's really easy to install linux why would someone pay u for doing it! ;)

@TheX stupid program LOL

TheX

I don't know but it pays the bills

Alvar

wine

TheX

16:35

netflix is not a program...

Alvar

@TheX hehe :D

@TheX what is it?

TheX

it is my cable tv replacement

10 dollars vs 50 a month

Alvar

@TheX instead of downloading?

@TheX a lot really... I don't pay anything! :P

TheX

Netflix

Netflix, Inc., commonly just Netflix, () is an American corporation that offers both on-demand video streaming over the internet, and flat rate online video rental (rental-by-mail) of DVD-Video and Blu-ray Disc in the United States and Canada (streaming only). The company was established in 1997 and is headquartered in Los Gatos, California. It started its subscription service in 1999. On February 25, 2007, Netflix announced the billionth DVD delivery. History Netflix was founded in 1997 in Scotts Valley, California by Marc Randolph and Reed Hastings, who previously had worked together ...

I could pay nothing too, if I wasn't morally objected to stealing...

Alvar

@TheX sounds good... I have to download illegally to watch the show from USA the day after they have been shown in USA

they are shown in sweden like a year after USA.. epic fail on that...

I stream a lot form like this site

TheX

16:38

lol

Alvar

fastpasstv.com/tv

a ton of commercials but free tv! :P

or I use HDMT.net

TheX

gahhhhhhhhhh what is with all the scantly clad russian girls popping up on my screen?!?!?!?

Alvar

@TheX money?

TheX

money??

Alvar

everyone need money and giving stuff like that gives the site money :P

yes the popup sucks really but it's free tv in a way... and it's legal! (for me to watch)

TheX

16:41

30 years ago today, Apple stole the computer mouse from Xerox

Alvar

@TheX so?

@TheX who cares?

TheX

Just saying...

Alvar

windows 7 stole all from apple and ubuntu

silly that people pay for it...

TheX

Silly that people pay for overpriced apple products... that are marketed as a "cell phone" but thanks to at&t they can't even make a phone call with them...

stupid eyePhones

Alvar

@TheX and a windows phone that can get wiruses! and an android that only a computer geek can use yes apple are pricey but they give u what u want, and easy to use phone and a lot more......

reading your blog post about natty... it's kind of good really...

TheX

16:45

they give me a locked out, closed source, proprietary system that is costly... gee thanks Apple just what I wanted how did you ever know??

Alvar

@TheX LOL

you can't win, I love apple stuff I don't care about what anybody say I now better apple are good ("there is only one correct way it's the apple way " LOL)

TheX

sure...

Alvar

you can't win... apple isn't best for everybody that's why u can use a linux...

TheX

to each his own...

or to each his apple...

Alvar

LOL

is there a linux without the usual GNOME programs like evolution mail and rythmbox etc...

TheX

16:48

I mean we can go back and forth arguing why which system is better then the other... but it really comes down, does it work for you?

sure... they call it KDE, or there is XDE(I think is the name)..

Alvar

@TheX exactly I want something that I'm used too andis easy to use... ( I love mac os 9 startup)

TheX

got to go be back in a bit

Alvar

@TheX k, me too.....

foood.!

James Gifford

17:01

@TheX @Alvar Kill me as a traitor, but Apple got the mobile platform right IMHO. :)

#ShutsUpNow

Stefano Palazzo

my word, everything is broken :D

pro tip: start all of your favourite apps before you start the upgrade

I would take a screen shot, but the "file type 'png' is not supported" (:

5

Roland Taylor

see what happens when you don't use the force?

Question...

Stefano Palazzo

the force doesn't work during the upgrade either, I think it's a dependency problem

Roland Taylor

Why can't a simple blog get enough votes from a friendly community to show up but an event in a small localized area can?

Secondly, why did a powerful image editing App have to struggle for votes?

Am I from another planet or is that how things are done?

(Ignore my metal saucer it's fake)

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Octavian Damiean

17:21

is back

had an awesome pizza :D

TheX

hello

Alvar

gg

the update is going ok I think..

it's replacing gnome screensaver whatever that is :P

haha a bus has crahsed outside on my street in a very tight corner epic fail :P

got to go...

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo did you write that calculator using Quickly?

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean no, that's way too much work for such a small app

linking up your python class with a glade UI definition is just three lines of code

        self.builder = gtk.Builder()
        self.builder.add_from_file("test.glade")
        self.builder.connect_signals(self)

like that

Octavian Damiean

is now really diving into Python

Marco Ceppi

17:36

I really should make some GUI applications in Python. Iv'e been meaning to do so for some time

Octavian Damiean

at first I was kinda put off because it was different but now it starts to feel way way more natural than Java

another reason might also be the fact that I start to realize that Java isn't all that awesome :D

Stefano Palazzo

there are a few quirks; if you've been using something like VS (last time I checked) it's quite different from how glade works

Marco Ceppi

I wish there was WebOS for desktops. PHPGTK is soooo far behind

Stefano Palazzo

once you've set up your glade ui file, create signals and create methods of the same name in your app class, keep the pygtk reference handy and off you go

I actually think gtk + glade is pretty much the best; I have some sort of rapport with it that I couldn't get with java's UI toolkits or Qt

not to mention html + javascript :)

Marco Ceppi

Wait - what framework uses html+js?

Octavian Damiean

17:41

@StefanoPalazzo Java UI toolkits suck

@MarcoCeppi don't kill me if I'm wrong but doesn't Adobe AIR use web technology like HTML+JS?

Marco Ceppi

@OctavianDamiean Kind of - but it's not nearly as easy as you would think it to be - or as comprehensive

IMO WebOS does it much easier

Octavian Damiean

@MarcoCeppi well no one said I think its easy :D

... Android is so stupid sometimes (most of the times)

oh yea I totally forgot, @StefanoPalazzo you can write Android apps in Python, did you know?

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