Ask Ubuntu General Room

Call me V

2:01 PM

@AmithKK mtgox or another exchange

Dan Hulme

also, you can ask questions like that on bitcoin.stackexchange.com

Amith KK

2:13 PM

@jrg Gtalk pl0x :)

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Q: Something is burning in the server room; how can I quickly identify what it is?

The other day, we notice a terrible burning smell coming out of the server room. Long story short, it ended up being one of the battery modules that was burning up in the UPS unit, but it took a good couple of hours before we were able to figure it out. The main reason we were able to figure it o...

hardware

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O.o

Mahesh

@AmithKK have some time to spare? (the old trivialish problem we discussed earlier.)

Call me V

@AmithKK Yeah, I saw that in the popular feed.

Amith KK

@Mahesh I have till 8

IRC?

Amith KK

2:52 PM

BBL

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

3:27 PM

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Q: Delete a previously added rule in ufw

I created a firewall rule for an application and put into /etc/ufw/applications.d, added that rule with command sudo ufw allow MyApp but now I cannot delete it. When I do sudo ufw delete MyApp it just prints the list of available commands like my command was invalid, which is what it probab...

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Call me V

3:50 PM

And the LOL of the day:

Dan Hulme

@CallmeV Is that an electrical cable trailing behind the glasses?

Call me V

I think it's the toaster cable.

Dan Hulme

We're not going to see this photo in a Darwin award, are we?

Amith KK

appears

@CallmeV Simple

Just use a card

Call me V

I know. I said the same thing when I saw it on G+.

Amith KK

3:55 PM

Heh... @jrg would know :P

jokerdino

or dont be a dad? :)

Amith KK

He has younger siblings

@jokerdino siblings, cousins and neice/nephews count

I have to write a math test tommorrow

on everything

Atleast it's MCQ :P

Call me V

I read it as done by the child, not the father:
Love you dad
vs
Love you, dad

http://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-Leaves-Tolerance-Punctuation/dp/1592402038

commas are important

jokerdino

@CallmeV yes, i mean dad because the dad has to clean up the mess.

Amith KK

@CallmeV Dictate the difference

jokerdino

3:58 PM

dont be a dad = dont have to clean up mess

Call me V

Oh, well for a smarty there's no mess to clean up.

Amith KK

@jokerdino not dad=no offspring=no next generation=humans go extinct=bad

Call me V

@AmithKK The prior is a sentence with an implied subject. The latter provides attribution, as in signing a letter.

Alienware is selling an Ubuntu box now: alienware.com/ubuntu/?dgc=SM&cid=56834&lid=4740645

Oli

4:12 PM

@CallmeV That's quite cool

Breathtakingly expensive but pretty cool nonetheless.

Call me V

@Oli It's nice to see one of the big dogs get on board

Oli

Actually... That's not even that outrageous. $850 for a pretty nippy desktop... You could build one yourself for maybe $200 cheaper... But historically with Alienware you're paying twice the actual build cost for the name.

Call me V

This is true. That and you're paying for integration testing in the case of any linux laptop/desktop.

Jorge Castro

their i7 one is a tad expensive

I got an asus one similarly specced for $850

Call me V

I like Asus and MSI. They're just not as household names.

Jorge Castro

4:27 PM

amazon.com/gp/product/B00B16YA9O/…

this is the one I got

Call me V

Yeah, I'm not looking a desktop any time soon, but that does look really beefy with a decent price.

Amith KK

BBT

Good Night

Dan Hulme

yeah, right now I'd be more interested in a sheeva plug, or a hackable NAS

where by "hackable" I mean apt-getable

Call me V

There were some folks that stuffed a raspi into a power strip

Call me V

4:50 PM

SPAM CC ALERT askubuntu.com/questions/278262/…

jokerdino

oh vendorcode -.-

Call me V

@jokerdino may he rest in pieces

Mahesh

@jokerdino you still on IRC?

jokerdino

no. irccloud timing out.

Mahesh

i'm done with fixes. we are good to go unless you say otherise.

jokerdino

5:00 PM

okay. thank you very much.

let me grab the code and finish off my part.

Mahesh

I updated the manpage too.

jokerdino

thank you.

Mahesh

adding debug logs to the reports is all I'm considering, but we need not hurry just yet. shipit!

logging statements need to be updated all over the place anyway.

jokerdino

aight

@Mahesh I am on IRC now.

digvijay91

5:16 PM

Hello

i needed some help.

I installed graphviz from the ubuntu software centre

and this program needs the locations of the dot binary

and the naeto binary

where do i find these?

Call me V

which dot

digvijay91

the one which gets installed with graphviz

Call me V

no. type in a terminal

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Access the directory underneath a bind-mount?

I would like to be able to access the folder underneath a bind-mount on Linux (Ubuntu 12.04). The reason being that some of the home folders (for administrative users) are located on the root volume, while others are located on another volume and get bind-mounted into place. So for example /home/...

linux ubuntu mount

digvijay91

but this I need to get this other software working

so it requires the location of the binary

where can i find it?

Call me V

5:19 PM

read: linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_which.htm

FEichinger

@digvijay91 Open a new Terminal. Enter which dot. Press Return. Paste the result here.

digvijay91

haha

thats amazing

thanks alot!

ok, I got the dot location

but when i type "which naeto"

nothings happens

nothing*

Call me V

apt-file search naeto

Dan Hulme

Don't you want neato rather than naeto?

digvijay91

meaning?

@DanHulme WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?

Dan Hulme

5:24 PM

meaning you have to spell the name right

digvijay91

woops sorry for the caps

Dan Hulme

ea, not ae

digvijay91

-_-

o woopies

thanks again guys

Dan Hulme

no problem

Rinzwind

5:41 PM

oh oh :*(

It shows this for the past 1/2 hour now :D

oh now you all ignore me :(

Mahesh

@Rinzwind reason to prefer apt-get over update-manager :P

Jorge Castro

is the drive spinning?

guntbert

@Rinzwind I had a similar thing some time ago, iirc there was some confirmation dialogue hidden beneath several windows.

Rinzwind

no other windows active :D

@JorgeCastro ssd ;)

Mahesh

you can take chances and force quit. most of the time, you can continue precisely where you left off. apt-get ftw!

but it may be risky.

Jorge Castro

5:47 PM

I mean "is something accessing the drive?" or is it just sitting there.

Seth

@JorgeCastro The rest of the links are for Beta 1 still...

You've kinda changed the question.

Mahesh

@JorgeCastro any easy way to tell that for an ssd?

Jorge Castro

@Seth April 4 is for beta2 not one

Rinzwind

Oh it makes no noise at all @JorgeCastro ;)
But I am not too worried :D Mysystem is so quick I can reinstall in less then 20 minutes :D

Jorge Castro

I think he misread the release scheudle, so I just fixed it

George Edison

5:48 PM

o/

Jorge Castro

fixed.

Rinzwind

nathan \o

George Edison

Something weird is happening here.

Rinzwind

here too >:-D

George Edison

It's still showing up as "George" for me.

...even though I've changed my name on AU, and Stack Apps, and...

Call me V

5:49 PM

I see @NathanOsman

Nathan Osman

You do?

How come I see something different? Cache refresh time.

There we go. All is well.

FEichinger

Chat uses JS for a lot of stuff. Old name is probably just cached, yeh.

Rinzwind

I see Nathan as proven with me previous post

Nathan Osman

I see it now too.

Rinzwind

your eyes needed to clear their cache >:)

Seth

5:52 PM

@JorgeCastro So I need to change all the links, not just the one.

Jorge Castro

I fixed them

Rinzwind

I found a small bug ...

Seth

@JorgeCastro Thanks.

Rinzwind

that window has NO close button but the launcher has a "quit" option

if a window has not close the launcher should not have one >:D

Jorge Castro

ubuntu-bug update-manager!!

Rinzwind

5:54 PM

13.04 rocks. Another beta that is better than the release of the previous version. Only had 2 or 3 crashes but nothing serious

@JorgeCastro I am on it ;)

Nathan Osman

qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qmap.html

Jorge Castro

the only crashes I've had have been apport getting messed up

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Nathan Osman

Notice the red banner at the top of the page.

Jorge Castro

I wouldn't have noticed it if apport wasn't so obnoxious about it

Nathan Osman

So that's why it was down last night :P

Rinzwind

5:55 PM

ha the crash from the updater is a dupe >:)

oh Transmission can crash when you close the tray

TYPICAL....

system crashed O__O

user72446

do you all use the web interface to chat?

user72446

or are there better options?

user72446

one tab per chatroom is not what im used to from irc lol

Dan Hulme

@TorbenFörsterling why not? there are loads of tabbed IRC clients

user72446

yeah i know, just curios

Nathan Osman

6:03 PM

@TorbenFörsterling The web interface is pretty much all there is.

user72446

theres probably an app

user72446

oki

user72446

ya thanks anyway, was just wondering

FEichinger

@TorbenFörsterling No, there isn't. At least no good one.

user72446

alright then, just gonna use another browser window where i'll put the chat-tabs then

Seth

6:05 PM

You don't need one tab per room.

user72446

aaahh i see, thank you

Seth

I only ever have one tab open for chat.

Of course, SO chat, MSO chat and SE chat are totally separate so you'll need one tab for each of those... But otherwise that works great.

♫ I need a MODERATOOOR!!! ♫

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Rinzwind

6:21 PM

seth! good evening

Seth

Uh...

OK :)

It's still morning here :P

Rinzwind

Netherlands ;-) so we started our weekend >:)

FEichinger

It's evening in UTC. That's all that matters.

Seth

@Rinzwind :D

@FEichinger Bah UTC.

FEichinger

Just because half of the Internet is Americans and Brazilians doesn't mean we can't use a single, unified time for it!

And that's UTC! Simple as that.

Rinzwind

6:30 PM

@FEichinger so true!

Seth

GMT.

FEichinger

@Seth UTC. GMT and DST muck up constantly.

Seth

@FEichinger LOL. UTC and GMT are the same thing!

FEichinger

@Seth Yes and no.

@Seth Time is calculated as GMT+2 in most of UTC+1 right now, because of DST.

I think vBulletin even used to display GMT+2 during summer for GMT+1, for instance. That gets confusing when you're developing stuff for it.

Seth

Well, sure. I don't advocate DST.

I hate DST!

FEichinger

6:33 PM

See? That's why you use UTC and not GMT.

Seth

SPAM: askubuntu.com/questions/278292/…

PLEASE FLAG THE SPAM

I was just starting to think the spam had been killed for good :(

FEichinger

SPAM never dies.

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Seth

HA! -5 and 5 views. Thats efficiency.

Errg. -7 and still here. That's not efficient.

BTW, I found this funny: stackoverflow.com/posts/1732454/revisions?page=1 It has more lock messages than edits XD

Rinzwind

@Seth I was #8 and it is gone

Seth

MORE SPAM: askubuntu.com/questions/278296/…

@Rinzwind That's not too bad.. No where near as bad as it used to be.

Rinzwind

6:39 PM

@Seth done. 54 flags remaining >:)

Seth

Nice >:)

I only have 44..

I haven't ever gotten more than that.

Rinzwind

yeah I was too late for that spamfest 2(?) weeks ago :(

Seth

Me too :(

I only got three of 'em 8 hours later :(

Rinzwind

is this worth answering: askubuntu.com/questions/278294/… ?

Seth

Ha. Gone.

@Rinzwind It's those questions that get you the rep :P

Rinzwind

6:45 PM

naa not really. It prob. going to get most of the focus on windows...

Seth

Already got an answer..

Well I have to leave, but if a mod comes around:

user147084

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2

Spam user.

Rinzwind

7:03 PM

hmmmmm is 13.04 still oftopic now it is beta? :D

jokerdino

ontopic

Rinzwind

@jokerdino I am ontopic! >:)

jokerdino

yes you are!

Rinzwind

I see you are more a joker than a dino >:-D

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jokerdino

:D

Rinzwind

7:05 PM

@FEichinger want to post that comment as an answer? askubuntu.com/questions/278301/…

@jokerdino come to think of it. If you are OLD it would still be a correct name :P

jokerdino

lol

one day i will wake up and realize my username is a result of a stupid teenage mistake.

4

Rinzwind

ppl do not seem to like my answers today :-P

FEichinger

@Rinzwind On it, yeh.

Rinzwind

@jokerdino naaaaaaa those are usernames that have an AGE in it. Like susan16

I always see a white hair bimbo sitting in front of a screen when I see one of those :P

jokerdino

so, i am so old that i have a dino in my name? lol

Call me V

7:08 PM

4

jokerdino

Noooooooo

As a matter of fact, I do hate doing those :P

Rinzwind

hey... your name is getting more accurate by the second ;)

jokerdino

:P

FEichinger

@jokerdino Clean up the comments, please? askubuntu.com/questions/278301 :)

Rinzwind

mine are gone:)

jokerdino

7:11 PM

done?

FEichinger

Looks like it, yeh.

jokerdino

thanks.

Rinzwind

I love the fuzzy search :D already mistyped 4 times but ending up with the correct program I needed :D

jokerdino

i am still torrenting the beta 2. boo

Call me V

@jokerdino Might have been faster to download directly from the amazon S3 mirror...

jokerdino

7:15 PM

the zsync is slower than torrenting.

Rinzwind

7:29 PM

@luisalvarado askubuntu.com/questions/278314/… does purge not do that ???

bbl

jrg

7:47 PM

@AmithKK eh?

i know something?

Nathan Osman

8:11 PM

@jrg: My app is for sale in the US now.

jrg

@NathanOsman sweet!

and finally, your real name. :D

Nathan Osman

That was a long time coming :)

Call me V

side-scroller "block carnage game logic in blendergame" is almost done. which is more in an hour of youtube than you get from "game programming with directx"

guntbert

@EliahKagan about checking the packages: I concede that it should be done via https - strangely packages.ubuntu.com doesn't answer on https, it seems

Eliah Kagan

8:31 PM

@guntbert Maybe there's a way to do it via Launchpad? (Which is HTTPS-based and also is where the packages are created.)

Ask Ubuntu Meta

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Q: Self moderation

I'm interested in knowing how is the self moderation system implemented for askubuntu. It's very much like the one on stack overflow, or OpenERP. Is there a CMS, or framework including this functionality as standard? I wanna implement something like that on a forum and that would be a great help....

discussion moderation

guntbert

@EliahKagan, worth for recherche - on a side note: packages.ubuntu.com reacts strange - the server seems to listen there but eventually times out - can you try to confirm that? It might be reasonable to contact Canonical about this issue.

FEichinger

0

Q: What's this site designed with?

I'm interested in knowing how this site is built? I'm particularly interested in the self moderation system. I's very much like the one on stack overflow, or OpenERP. Is there a CMS, or framework including this functionality as standard? I wanna implement something like that on a forum and that w...

application-development

Meta and Main crossposting.

And I'm fairly certain the main one is off-topic, while the meta one needs a thorough explanation of SE (which I don't have the time for right now, sadly :/)

The Lord of Time

only two flags left before I have marshal... :D

@jrg you need to respond to emails dude.

Eliah Kagan

@FEichinger Agreed, the tiny differences between those two questions don't require separate questions. We can migrate the one on main to meta, then close it as a duplicate there.

@TheLordofTime Cool! Congrats.

jrg

8:40 PM

@TheLordofTime uh, the last email you sent to me was replied to within 6 minutes.

The Lord of Time

@jrg never got it.

@jrg email replies to the tickets aren't parsed yet

problem with the code.

jrg

oh

The Lord of Time

(upstream for the tickets system has to fix it)

FEichinger

@EliahKagan I'd just close the main one as off-topic. Duping it on meta after moving it, while it is by the same user anyway just seems like a ton of unnecessary steps.

Dupes don't get deleted either, for that matter, so it would actually cause clutter in the long run.

jrg

replied on the site

The Lord of Time

8:42 PM

[ack]

i'll deal with it later.

Eliah Kagan

@FEichinger Either way is fine. Dupes can be deleted like any other closed question. We usually don't delete dupes but when they're obviously not helpful for guiding someone to an open question, and don't have answers, they're often manually deleted. And they're automatically deleted too if nobody views them for a long time.

@guntbert The server does not appear to have port 443 open, at least from my testing. It appears not to respond at all. (So it's not that it's listening, it's that it's firewalled.)

Consistent "took too long to respond" errors usually means a port is firewalled, so your packets are just dropped instead of responded to.

jrg

@TheLordofTime k

Eliah Kagan

@guntbert I ran nmap against it and it appears to confirm the firewalled status of port 443 (see line 24).

guntbert

@EliahKagan it gets stranger by the minute - why would they purposefully not present critical info via https?

Eliah Kagan

@guntbert I don't know ...but lots of sites don't use HTTPS. Stack Exchange doesn't... (Except for authentication.)

guntbert

8:49 PM

@EliahKagan true but OTOH there is the comparatively uncritical help.ubuntu.com

Eliah Kagan

@guntbert packages.ubuntu.com probably doesn't use HTTPS because they figured it didn't need to. The hashes there are useful for checking if a file was accidentally corrupted. There are other mechanisms for verifying files when authenticity is an issue. In contrast, help.ubuntu.com has people logging in all the time to make changes.

guntbert

@EliahKagan good point, still I'd prefer to have a central site for hash values at hand.

(and not only to make my answer valid :-))

Rinzwind

@EliahKagan they could do that and still use https >:)

guntbert

9:05 PM

@EliahKagan - and now for something completely different :-) I just saw your answer meta.askubuntu.com/a/6446/117103, your version of the "info in a comment" comment is much better than mine - I'd suggest to replace my version with your's. I'd do it if you agree.

Eliah Kagan

@Rinzwind I agree. They should use HTTPS. Or at least provide an HTTPS version when you access it on port 443.

@guntbert Yes, sure! Feel free! Feel free to streamline or otherwise change it too. As I suggested there, I'm not sure that exact wording is the best.

guntbert

@EliahKagan will do in the next days - now bedtime is too close :-)

BHM

9:23 PM

Hi just a quick question after google search came out blank; I found a new user on my system today: PID 2105, GUEST-IZ running compiz. And for the first time i have 3 zombie processes running. Anyone heard about this before?

Running: guest-iz tty7 Wed12 2days 8:09 0.99s gnome-session -

ps aux does not reveal the user, even though TOP does...

BHM

9:49 PM

...quiet...?

mateo_salta

Yeah that happens, some go to sleep, or eat around now

BHM

:-)

Luis Alvarado

<--- YELLS!!! ... in silence... in my mind :(

FEichinger

Silence

Silence is the lack of audible sound or presence of sounds of very low intensity. By analogy, the word silence can also refer to any absence of communication, including in media other than speech. Silence is also used as total communication, in reference to non verbal communication and spiritual connection. Silence also refers to no sounds uttered by anybody in a room or area. Silence is an important factor in many cultural spectacles, as in rituals. In discourse analysis, speakers use brief absences of speech to mark the boundaries of prosodic units. Silence in speech can be hesitation...

mateo_salta

@NathanOsman noticed that the onscreen keyboard on your app does not have an@ sign (probally the default for web address entering) might get wierd with other protocalls.

Nathan Osman

9:58 PM

Right - especially SSH.

jrg

10:13 PM

@mateo_salta Don't buy the book, you get a copy with the course.

mateo_salta

Ah, cool is your book almost done @jrg

jrg

github.com/ClevelandOnRails/rubyonrailsbook/tree/release-1.0

1.1 is up next

Luis Alvarado

@jrg nice

Going to book myself into a course of Rails

Somebody is going to do a lecture about it on the 27th or 28th of this month

jrg

that was me. on the 26th & 27th.

or maybe it was somebody else.

Luis Alvarado

^^

Yeah, ill be seeing you on the 26th. On the 27th is the Flisol event I mentioned you about.

jrg

10:19 PM

so you'll be flying up to cleveland, eh? ;P

Luis Alvarado

why yes I will hehehe

@jrg Can I still count on you for the event?

jrg

@LuisAlvarado yes, i should be able to make it work.

i'll just declare a 20 minute break.

Luis Alvarado

ok what time do you have over there?

jrg

i'm at UTC -04:00

Luis Alvarado

@jrg btw, what will be the final topic. Askubuntu of Business created around open source

jrg

10:24 PM

@LuisAlvarado business created around open source.

Luis Alvarado

cool ok

Is that UTC -4 or UTC 4?

jrg

-4

Luis Alvarado

ok great

thank god

mine is -4:30

lol

well the event is from 9am to 4pm

jrg

that's going to make things weird.

Luis Alvarado

what time would you like to do it?

jrg

10:26 PM

how does say, 12:30 or 11:30 your time work? so 1PM or 12PM my time...

assuming i'm doing the math right

Luis Alvarado

perfect

jrg

pick one, and let me know.

Luis Alvarado

mine would be 12:00 when you have 12:30 on yours

jrg

ok

Luis Alvarado

will set you at 12 then

jrg

10:28 PM

cool

Luis Alvarado

thank you again

Rinzwind

grrrr looks like network manager keeps crashing

Seth

10:47 PM

How do you reject an edit that just doesn't need to be made period?

mateo_salta

Allready made or, in review?

Seth

In review.

I custom'd it this time, 'cause non of the reasons seemed to fit..

Can I talk to a mod?

@jrg?

Eliah Kagan

@Seth If the problem is that it doesn't add anything valuable, too minor. If the problem is that it's wrong, invalid edit (that's not just for attempts to reply to the post). For edits that change large amounts of text but don't change the meaning and don't add anything, too minor. For edits that radically change the post, radical change. Custom rejects are fine.

mateo_salta

Something lik this "what? What are you doing? Edit

Seth

@EliahKagan Hmm. They need to change the "invalid edit" text then..

@mateo_salta Yeh.

Eliah Kagan

10:52 PM

@Seth Isn't "wrong" listed in its description as one of the times to use that reject reason? If it's not, then I'm mistaken.

Btw, it seems we both rejected that particular edit with a custom reason. :)

Seth

@EliahKagan Yes I checked to make sure it didn't go through ;)

You did a much better job though. You always do :)

mateo_salta

Ah, an anti-mac edit?

Eliah Kagan

@Seth I was able (or thought I was able) to figure out what the editor had in mind when s/he submitted the edit. So I addressed that specifically. Thx. :)

jrg

@Seth sup?

Seth

@mateo_salta Something like that.

@EliahKagan Well glad you could. Didn't make any sense to me.

jrg

10:56 PM

i don't see any flags.

Seth

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A: Microsoft Word, Excel and Powerpoint won't save or open files

Problems with saving files might be related to internal error in programs. But problem with opening for word documents would resolve by use of repair .docx http://www.repairdocxonline.docxrepairtoolbox.com repairs the structure of DOC, DOT, RTF and similar MS Word documents on any PC

What to do about that??

Eliah Kagan

@mateo_salta I don't think the editor is anti-Mac, probably just thought that it was good to remove details, to generalize. But often that's not necessary (and here it wasn't). The edit also added a version tag (that there wasn't evidence for) to generalize it by version, while removing the other, existing version tag would have been appropriate.

Seth

Its spam IMO.

jrg

downvote and move on.

Seth

Can you go through my old flags?

It's not a random answer per se.

I've seen 3 of them at least linking to identical looking sites (just for different products).. So wasn't sure if anything should be done.

FEichinger

10:58 PM

> DOCX Repair Toolbox do not need a donate. DOCX Repair Toolbox are not include GPL, MPL and other opensource License.

Bad grammar and no legal info smells shady.

mateo_salta

Yeah, and it might be an important detail in this case, at least worth the mention in this case @EliahKagan

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