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Seth

17:13

cronos2

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AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Seth yes it is. did you see the pwn2own results this year? everything went down

Seth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing No I didn't.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

VUPEN owned everything

up to and including chrome...

Seth

Interesting.

RolandiXor

=)

I was so glad when I saw Chrome had fallen.

It is time.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

17:27

chrome falls every year, it's just whether it falls on the dance-floor with code disclosure required or not.

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@FEichinger was it you or @jrg that was saying the problem was you couldn't FIND the good FOSS apps? This is one possible solution video.linux.com/videos/…

user19161

@RolandiXor What do you mean?

RolandiXor

Hi @JacobBlack :)

@JacobBlack because it's time for Chrome and its minions to get off their high horse.

No browser is immune to vulnerabilities.

user19161

@RolandiXor You mean Firefox is on top again?

jokerdino

@JacobBlack Hey, I have your email id.

RolandiXor

Again? Firefox has always been on top.

user19161

17:36

@jokerdino My email? OK. You can email me if you wanna tell me any secrets.

RolandiXor

Firefox is more awesome than cookies.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

And we're on a religious discussion ;) - that being said I'm a chrome follower

jokerdino

@JacobBlack Yeah, sending you some zip files.

RolandiXor

@AbrahamVanHelpsing :O

user19161

@jokerdino What? Zip files? OMG!

RolandiXor

17:36

You dirty, nasty, Chrome user!

grabs Firefox Cannon

Bring it!

user19161

WTF are you sending me???

AbrahamVanHelpsing

technically chromium, but chrome by proxy

jokerdino

@JacobBlack dont spoil the surprise. ;)

RolandiXor

Chromium is the servant of Firefox.

user19161

@jokerdino OK, but zip files sound really weird...

AbrahamVanHelpsing

17:38

@RolandiXor that your opinion and you're entitled to it

RolandiXor

We need more black avatars...

@AbrahamVanHelpsing :D

There is only one true browser, and it is Firefox.

jokerdino

@JacobBlack picobomb

RolandiXor

Heaven runs Firefox infinity.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i'm not letting a mod troll me... ;) anyway. moving on.

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RolandiXor

xD

@AbrahamVanHelpsing ♥

user19161

17:40

Chrome is less responsive in chat on my Debian.

RolandiXor

Chrome eats babies and mashes kittens.

jokerdino

and there is no Firefox in Debian too

AbrahamVanHelpsing

yes there is. it's called iceweasel

jokerdino

they call it the iceweasel

RolandiXor

Iceweasel (awesome name)

user19161

17:41

Yeah I use Iceweasel, though I can use Mozilla Firefox too.

RolandiXor

Ice ftw!

user19161

@joker When are you sending me the stuff?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

it has to do with the FF dev team getting their knickers in a twist over debian applying fixes before they are applied upstream. No. We want you to leave your users vulnerable to problems while we slip it into our patch cycle.

jokerdino

@JacobBlack still preparing the zip bomb. wait a while please.

user19161

@jokerdino OK, but I am curious what it is, considering I don't know you at all...

RolandiXor

17:43

@AbrahamVanHelpsing wasn't it to do with branding?

jokerdino

:'(

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@RolandiXor nope

RolandiXor

Hmm

jokerdino

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Q: How does one make a Zip bomb?

This question about zip bombs naturally led me to the Wikipedia page on the topic. The article mentions an example of a 45.1 kb zip file that decompresses to 1.3 exabytes. What are the principles/techniques that would be used to create such a file in the first place? I don't want to actually do ...

algorithm compression

user19161

Oh please don't play a trick on me.

user19161

17:45

I think I won't get your email then.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

iirc it was originally forked b/c someone applied a patch to fix a bug report and it didn't make its way upstream fast enough an mozilla was irritated.

jokerdino

:/

user19161

@AbrahamVanHelpsing It's because of the licensing I think.

user19161

@joker No tricks from you.

user19161

I only welcome emails of friendship, not trick bombs.

jokerdino

17:47

fine then. dropping you a friendly polar bear.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@JacobBlack saying because of licensing doesn't disagree. "you must submit patches upstream before applying them" would fall under that umbrella. i'm just not sugar coating it as licensing.

user19161

Ah I change my username in four hours...

jokerdino

Ah, saves me sending the email ;)

@JacobBlack There you have the content of the never to be sent email.

Zignd

Hey guys I'd like to know which program you used to decrypt the OpenPGP message you received when you assigned the ubuntu code of conduct

jokerdino

@Zignd didn't they give you instructions?

i used the terminal one

FEichinger

17:49

@AbrahamVanHelpsing I believe that was both of us, but ... that sure looks promising.

user19161

@joker Did you say you are in charge of Ubuntu GNOME respin?

jokerdino

@JacobBlack no

i was about to contribute but got other distractions.

user19161

@jokerdino Such as a beautiful girl?

jokerdino

Hmm, no.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Zignd i used what was in the instructions, but the mozilla email client has a plug-in. i'm waiting for a google email client.

Zignd

17:56

I've used evolution but it didn't work correctly. Can you tell me the plugin name?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Zignd addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/enigmail

jokerdino

help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto#Signing_Data

RolandiXor

(Grammar - must fix!)

Zignd

Thanks for the links @jokerdino @AbrahamVanHelpsing

Is this "Grammar must fix" for me?

jokerdino

Just donate to the Aliens foundation. Thank you.

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Octavian Damiean

19:02

Now I understand why Mediawiki decided to go for Ubuntu Server on all of its servers back in 2008. Landscape is just f*$%in awesome!

RolandiXor

Mew.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@OctavianDamiean Seems interesting, but I've never had occasion to use it

Octavian Damiean

@AbrahamVanHelpsing You can try it for free for 30 days.

jrg

@AbrahamVanHelpsing both of us were discussing that. Bookmarked, thanks!

I used landscape to compare it. It needs an open source version.

Octavian Damiean

Yea, true that.

jrg

19:12

Puppet + foreman gets choose, but not close enough.

Octavian Damiean

If I ever have to manage multiple Ubuntu machines in a company I'm definitely going to go for Landscape.

jrg

19:28

Eh. I wasn't that impressed.

If I wasn't technically savvy, I could see the attraction. But meh.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@jrg you were a proponent of skywalk yes?

@jrg @jrg and if you want the list of all talks from that con: linuxgizmos.com/embedded-linux-conference-2013-videos

jrg

Spacewalk, interesting project.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

yes that

any thoughts on this one? askubuntu.com/questions/265972/…

Zignd

Can someone please tell me what's the secret phrase? There is a default one?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Zignd on live?

Zignd

19:38

I even now if I have configured mine

@AbrahamVanHelpsing There is a default one?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

on live or not. it's a yes or no question

Zignd

it's a question

?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

answer me or do this askubuntu.com/a/121805/5768

jrg

kickstarter.com/projects/aschmitz/…

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@jrg is that the one that died or a new attempt to raise funding for the same thing

jrg

19:41

@AbrahamVanHelpsing died.

I've got $150-200 earmarked for the guy who can show me a MIT-licensed demo and wants to take it further.

Aka, my current life savings

AbrahamVanHelpsing

buy dirt instead. i'm looking at cheap west texas dirt: landwatch.com/Hudspeth-County-Texas-Land-for-sale/pid/144014709 for example

@jrg what makes you like MIT license?

George Edison

20:20

@OctavianDamiean: Oh, I was having some problems with the Android filesystem. Apparently I can't do chmod() on external storage - only in my app's private storage area.

But that's okay.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

any thoughts on whether or not you're going to do the tar thing?

George Edison

Not yet.

Up until this week, I have never written a Java app / program / script / whatever-it-is.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

java is overly painful for what it accomplishes

George Edison

I'd much rather that Google had gone with Python for writing apps.

The Lord of Time

hello everyone.

how goes it.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

20:31

@GeorgeEdison they did. it's called appengine

has anyone seen a standalone mbr and partition table parser in python?

there was some work by a lady that works on volatility, but it requires distorm.

George Edison

21:15

That would be interesting. What exactly do you mean by reading the MBR?

Isn't it as simple as grabbing the first 512 bytes of /dev/sda as root?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

forensic image of hda/sda. a parser that reads locations so i can find 0-4 etc and yes, it could be simple i just don't want to replicate work

jrg

22:19

@AbrahamVanHelpsing i'm a young, idealistic kid, remember?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

idealism is not contrary to a business model. i was just asking what specifically you like about it as opposed to other licenses

The Lord of Time

@AbrahamVanHelpsing i'm going to just leave this here, because (1) you seem to be discussing FOSS licensing, and (2) meh.

Comparison of free and open-source software licenses

This is a comparison of published free software licenses. General comparison The following table compares various features of each license and is a general guide to the terms and conditions of each license. Note that a "yes" in either of the last two columns (Link with code using a different license and Release changes under a different license) is not an absolute answer, there may still be restrictions in the license related to this action. You should review the specific license terms and refer to the reference table for more details regarding a "yes" in these columns. {| class="wikita...

AbrahamVanHelpsing

22:35

fair enough. also i just ordered a chef's choice package of $50 called gangster because for some reason chef's choice wasn't polite enough to be considered cool...

jrg

@AbrahamVanHelpsing i like it because it gives me basic freedoms to modify, tinker, etc without having to share.

and for many changes i make, i don't want to share, because i never finish them.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

either way, i was just saying, what differentiates it from say the apache license? i'm just asking.

also "sushi on the way for the WIN"

jrg

i'm ok with the apache.

i just pick on the MIT/Expat and BSD licenses because they are two of the more popular ones.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i'm okay with any license. it depends on circumstances. saying no use this for commercial purposes is fine for a starving developer, but when corps with huge projects use it i get a little upset. make sense?

jrg

yup

ok, now i'm hoping that paypal accepts this vanilla visa, otherwise i'm going to be really pissed.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

22:43

they will

jrg

yeah, i'm pissed. they didn't.

The Lord of Time

wait what?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

if the apple store accepts it for registration (retarded that i have to have a credit card number to download free apps, but that's a whole different thing), then paypal will

jrg

Yeah, apple accepts it, I just tested.

George Edison

What are we testing?

jrg

22:44

@TheLordofTime you know what i mean. they did deny it.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i tested that on friday. had to pay money to install free apps

jrg

@GeorgeEdison watching me go through the trouble of having to buy something online.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@jrg wut?

The Lord of Time

@jrg no, i didn't know what you mean. hence me pointing this all out.

George Edison

@jrg Why is that difficult?

jrg

22:45

it's rather fun, no?

@GeorgeEdison in a word, paypal.

@Flabricorn hi! We still on for tonight?

George Edison

@jrg Uh-oh. Now you have me worried. I plan to sell my Android app soon.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

paypal may require an initial charge and clearance which might not be on your vanilla until later

Seth

Anyone feel like reviewing edits?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

nope

Flabricorn

@jrg Quite so!

jrg

22:46

@Flabricorn good!

i'll bring the papers.

Seth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing I'm fine with that. Someone could get some badges though.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i got the sheriff the other day

Seth

Nice :)

jrg

askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/95857

Seth

Gah.

That's the second one of those today.

"I didn't ask the question, but here's more info"

AbrahamVanHelpsing

22:49

i'm so taking a photo of the sushi tray that costs 50 bucks plus delivery...anyway, the curry is a bonus that didn't seem worth passing up. i really just wanted chef's choice sushi

jrg

well, that can be useful.

@AbrahamVanHelpsing :D

how much sushi is on this tray?

@Flabricorn also, final detail: We are not going out for pizza every day this summer.

FEichinger

The thing with the "I didn't ask the question, but here's more info" edits is that they're - in theory - exactly what "Yeh, that's a dupe close" results in.

jrg

I'm sick of pizza.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@jrg i would suspect a large amount

jrg

and it's expensive.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

22:49

sushicoma

FEichinger

@AbrahamVanHelpsing I wonder what you call a "large amount".

Flabricorn

@jrg Ha, gotcha.

jrg

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that looks good man. and i don't like sushi.

FEichinger

@jrg That's about as much as you get for 50 bucks over here.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

less than 9 times the $6 tray from harris teeter. more than half of the same

George Edison

22:52

@jrg Sick of pizza? What on earth for?

jrg

@Flabricorn yeah, so we'll like, learn to cook pasta or something.

@FEichinger that's not his tray. found it on the googletubes.

FEichinger

@jrg I know, and I sure hope he gets more than that.

Seth

Ugh. I can't stand that bad grammar.

jrg

@GeorgeEdison too many long days at work, where we just ordered 3 pizzas.

i mean, i'm ok with good stuff, but the thing just down the street is like ew.

George Edison

Oh, okay.

Tip: you can save money by buying those frozen pizzas at the supermarket and just throwing one in the oven when you're hungry. Oh, and they taste good too.

jrg

22:53

it's not bad, but not good.

mateo_salta

ramen noodles

Seth

@jrg what about my pull :P

jrg

yeah, that's on our list of potential stuff. we can save even more once the garden starts producing.

FEichinger

@mateo_salta instant ramen is awesome.

Seth

@FEichinger that.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

22:54

@GeorgeEdison not here. it's cheaper to order delivery than fire up the oven

jrg

@Seth fine, you greedy impatient githubber. ;)

yes, you can get merged too. ;P

George Edison

Seriously? Up here, if you shop smart, you can get each pizza for around $5.

jrg

the hot ones across the street are $5/pop.

Seth

@jrg Thanks. watches gmail watcher go crazy..

Flabricorn

5 bucks a day for the extent of 3+ months = more cash than we want to spend on food we could bring from home for free.

FEichinger

22:56

@GeorgeEdison Wow ... I get 3 frozen pizzas for €3.50 across the street.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

average here is $6-8 so if you average in cooking time and take into account the fact that a larger delivery pizza is at least double the circumference ... just saying

jrg

that's $450, yeah, we're not spending that much.

@Flabricorn i'll learn to gasp actually cook like, pasta.

and beans, and rice.

George Edison

Okay, I see there are some price differences here.

Seth

@Jrg Beans and rice and pasta == awesomeness.

George Edison

Two medium pizzas from a local pizza place here would be easily $30.

Seth

22:57

Plus throw in some tuna.

jrg

yup. ;)

Seth

face palm

Flabricorn

Couscous, beans - awesome.

FEichinger

Sushi is insanely expensive over here ... frozen pizza? Cheap as hell. Local pizza place? €5 ea., I believe.

@jrg My bet is on a food poisoning.

jrg

@FEichinger hey, guys.

FEichinger

22:58

=P

Flabricorn

I set up a netflix box with this old tablet PC, it wouldn't boot from USB drive so I had to stick with Win7... and now... it will never... ever... load.

jrg

i did work in an industrial kitchen, if i survived cooking and eating that for two summers, then i can keep @Flabricorn and I from getting killed. ;P

Seth

@FEichinger Cheaper here. If you get the eww stuff that is.

FEichinger

@Seth Well, for the most part, we don't even have eww stuff. :P

jrg

so now i'm going to go read cooking.SE, and hopefully find something good. :)

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FEichinger

23:00

lol

mateo_salta

you could always buy a bag of rice, and a steam-cooker (got mine for $20)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@FEichinger if my food intake were determined by price, i would either not eat, or be on a permanent hummus diet

jrg

@mateo_salta looking into that, yeah.

Seth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing On the other hand, Hummus is awesome.

@FEichinger Lucky you :P

AbrahamVanHelpsing

hummus is okay. certainly not my "omg thanks for bringing hummus to the party" dish, but not worth turning down either

Seth

23:02

@AbrahamVanHelpsing Make it yourself. It's waaay better.

Just sayin.

mateo_salta

@jrg April 26th and 26th? that is the same day...

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Seth there was a great restraunt in new bern that had blackbean hummus and chips as a side instead of fries

jrg

can i not type

no, i can't.

Seth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing yum.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@jrg type you cannot. -- yoda

FEichinger

23:03

Physical typing is for losers. Telepathic typing is the new in-thing.

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Seth

★

jrg

yeah, i really need to get a CMS.

FEichinger

Build. One.

Seth

@jrg That's full of typos.

FEichinger

Shouldn't that commit message at least have a period at the end and a capital Y at the front?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

23:07

it's better than git commit -m "blarg. see commit changes"

jrg

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FEichinger

git commit -m "typostypostypostypostyopstypostypostypostoypstypostypos"

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i once posted a commit that was described as "because git doesn't suck"

jrg

@AbrahamVanHelpsing wait, backtrack has been renamed?

Seth

@jrg I don't care what your cat thinks.

Does he know English?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

23:08

@Seth he knows engrish

Seth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing I am inclined to agree with you.

FEichinger

@jrg Talking about this?

jrg

@FEichinger yeah

Seth

Backtrack tracks forward. Err, something like that.

mateo_salta

@jrg is there a place to sleep there, I'm trying to figure out if I can make it to your class

jrg

23:11

@mateo_salta we have some couches.

mateo_salta

sounds comfy enough.

jrg

more than 1.

mateo_salta

so, I just need to see if I can carve out the time.

Seth

Well I'm going to Idaho. Need to go find my BSU cap (ping @JorgeCastro >:) )

BBL.

FEichinger

23:24

Oh, btw, did I mention that Europe works on aiding singularity again? Oh, also we have a death ray and the LHC. You sure you still like us, rest of the Earth?

Not to forget the awesomeness of negative absolute temperature. I like to think these won't all at some point be combined into Skynet, but I think I might be wrong on that.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

also, the 50 bucks was totally worth it

AbrahamVanHelpsing

23:44

sushi and green curry was delicious...moving on

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