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Oli

17:00

@fossfreedom Wasn't the best reply to the drama IMO. Essentially if you're upset with what we're doing, you don't want free software to rule the world. Both off the mark and mildly insulting to the people who live and breathe FOSS but don't agree with Canonical's last week.

jokerdino

@Oli eh, read CoC v2.0?

Oli

@jokerdino I hadn't.

I have now

jokerdino

I think there was a part about avoiding extended discussions and debate.

Amith KK

@jokerdino you know trignometry right?

jokerdino

@AmithKK depends

Oli

17:08

@jokerdino Yeah, there are a few unsavoury parts to it that weren't in 1.1.

Amith KK

So, here's my question :P

Given, Sin(Theta)=p/q

find cos(theta)+sin(theta) in terms of p and q

so, how do I get cos If I don't know the base?

jokerdino

@AmithKK lol

sint(theta) = 1 - square root of cos(theta)

sin square and cos square = 1

play with this ^^

Amith KK

But I don't think we can use that

Because we just learnt the ratios by this exercise

Oli

isn't this just algebra?

Amith KK

I guess :P

jokerdino

17:11

@Oli just related to triangles.

@AmithKK take the teacher by shock.

amaze them

or well, find the third side.

opp / hyp = p/q

find adj. by applying pythogoras theorem

Amith KK

But you need valid numbers for that :P

We haz letterz :P

Oli

Sin(Theta)=p/q, so Theta=p/q/Sin
And sub in to cos(p/q/Sin)+sin(p/q/Sin), and develop that out

Amith KK

oh right

lol that was damn dumb

jokerdino

@AmithKK hehehe

adj = square root of (p square - q square)

The Lord of Time

@jokerdino time to be a mod: nuke this: askubuntu.com/a/265162/10616

already flagged it

jokerdino

17:14

Oli beats me.

The Lord of Time

lol

@Oli = faster?

jokerdino

by 11 secs.

Amith KK

feels like some sorta scientist

Oli

Sorry I was on the flag page

The Lord of Time

heh

jokerdino

17:15

Oli in Tamil means light / sound.

The Lord of Time

@Oli no problem :P

jokerdino

@AmithKK by solving a trig. question? lol

is the triangle right angle? or else, the solution wont work

Amith KK

Yeah, this is the trigs lesson

so, assuming triangle is a right angled one

jokerdino

@AmithKK trigs also apply for other angles.

The Lord of Time

@Oli while you're there, I flagged this 12 hours ago and it hasn't been handled yet. askubuntu.com/a/264967/10616

jokerdino

17:16

checkout sin rule and cos rule.

@Oli coming back to that. it doesn't work that way. because sin (theta) is the sine value of the angle theta.

Amith KK

@jokerdino ok :P

I do this homework for my safety :P

BBT

Good Night peeps

jokerdino

@AmithKK bye

dont email me about your math homework next time :)

The Lord of Time

@Oli thanks.

jrg

@TheLordofTime relax, there are sites that have 48 hour turnaround time on flags.

Oli

@jokerdino Fair enough - It's been at least 10 years since I've written Theta in anger.

The Lord of Time

17:17

VTC:OT due to Mint

0

Q: linux mint: waiting for network configuration

I went to another place and my network(either wired or wi-fi) starts not working... For now, I have a workaround solution that every time I logged in I have to run sudo service network-manager start which give me the following information: stop: Unknown instance: network-manager start/running, ...

network-manager

jokerdino

@Oli heh. you don't like theta?

Oli

@jokerdino never met him

jokerdino

hmm

can we kill the low quality flag option already? -.-

The Lord of Time

please.

jrg

yay, i <3 work.

I think we have a faster connection than @JorgeCastro.

The Lord of Time

17:26

you upload is faster than your download?

that's theoretically impossible.

jrg

@TheLordofTime not with symmetrical fiber.

The Lord of Time

Can I come to your location and siphon your download speed for three days so I can create an apt mirror on my netbook?

jrg

no.

the non-admins are capped at 5/5

The Lord of Time

:P

oh, so then YOU can create the apt mirror :p

xD lol I kid

jrg

oh, i intend to do that.

The Lord of Time

17:36

although in all seriousness, I wouldn't mind running an apt mirror locally, for my private use :P

at least for Precise/Quantal :P

Gui

@jrg I hate you! Show off!

Tomarinator

I am trying to use espeak to listen to todays date on ubuntu, by using the following command: espeak --stdin date , but it just hangs, nothing is spoken.

The Lord of Time

@fossfreedom link or die?

jokerdino

@TheLordofTime it's on planet

The Lord of Time

need direct link.

:P

jokerdino

17:40

markshuttleworth.com

The Lord of Time

thank you kindly.

(planet was timing out)

Tomarinator

Is: espeak --stdin date : hanging on your ubuntu too ? guys ?

jokerdino

@Tomarinator waiting for it to hang up

@Tomarinator date | espeak --stdin

The Lord of Time

@jokerdino this

Tomarinator

thanks @jokerdino, I wonder why this isnt mentioned in the man page of espeak

jokerdino

17:42

@TheLordofTime :D #2 today

@Tomarinator i think people reading man page would usually know what stdin means :)

The Lord of Time

@jokerdino actually, #634234235235415155317898345781349657213948572405724057145987123445

because of the multiverse theory :P

jokerdino

@TheLordofTime ah right. my bad

The Lord of Time

:P

jokerdino

:P

Gui

Shuttle worth is not a webpage designer is he?

jokerdino

17:44

nope. he designs plumbing works.

Gui

That could be very lucrative to... everyone needs toilets...

jokerdino

Aussies were short of plumbers and carpenters last time I checked.

They get paid more than software folks.

Gui

@jokerdino looks like I need to move to the other side of the world (and get trained to be a plumber)

jokerdino

all the best!

Gui

Should I go classical or modern?

jokerdino

17:47

modern preferably.

Gui

Aright cool...

Tomarinator

How can I concate two variables in ubuntu terminal ?

jokerdino

be more descriptive please.

what variables, etc

Tomarinator

string variable, say

FEichinger

Example case?

Tomarinator

17:57

something like concat 'foo' 'bar'

The Lord of Time

such that you get 'foobar' instead?

as output.

Tomarinator

yes

jokerdino

why?

FEichinger

116

Q: How can I concatenate string variables in Bash?

In PHP I would add strings together like this: $foo = "Hello"; $foo .= " World"; So $foo would be "Hello World" How would I do that in Bash?

bash shell unix append string-concatenation

^-- ?

The Lord of Time

teward@luna:~$ export V1='foo'
teward@luna:~$ export V2='bar'
teward@luna:~$ $V1$V2
foobar: command not found
teward@luna:~$ echo $V1$V2
foobar

Gui

18:01

foobar = 'foo' + 'bar' ?

The Lord of Time

@Tomarinator you mean something like that right?

Gui

echo foobar ?

The Lord of Time

echo 'foobar' actually is how it reads it

echo just repeats whatever it gets.

kinda like the cat command.

except not.

Gui

oh here...

a=”part one”
b=”part two”
c=”$a, $b”
echo “$c”
part one, part two

The Lord of Time

indeed.

unless the desired outbout is NOT to include a comma and space

Tomarinator

18:02

thanks :)

The Lord of Time

like my terminal-issued example is

FEichinger

At this point I just recommend using Google and typing in "bash concat"

jokerdino

well, i think we are staring at the XY problem.

The Lord of Time

agreed with @FEichinger

FEichinger

@jokerdino This.

jokerdino

18:03

@FEichinger I think it happens more often with bash.

bash people were one of the first to identify this as a real problem.

Gui

I think that my salad would have been better if it weren't shredded lettuce...

FEichinger

@jokerdino Yup. Kinda makes sense.

The Lord of Time

@Gui give it to me then, i'm starving and wouldn't mind a salad. :P

FEichinger

@Tomarinator Sooo ... Did any of this help then? =D

Gui

@TheLordofTime it is mostly gone now...

The Lord of Time

18:05

@FEichinger I think it did, partly my shell example, and partly Gui's example.

@Gui ah, well...

no matter.

makes his own salad

jokerdino

coffee?

FEichinger

@TheLordofTime I hope so, but ... I think we kinda flooded @Tomarinator a bit there ...

The Lord of Time

@jokerdino GIVE ME COFFEE!

jokerdino

Hm, no wikipedia article on XY Problem? what?!?

Gui

@jokerdino what about coffee?

jokerdino

18:06

@TheLordofTime i sent you some on coffeeville

Tomarinator

@FEichinger i am working on it. its not easy

jokerdino

@Tomarinator What are you building? Sounds interesting for me.

Tomarinator

i am trying to cron up a script , one that speaks the current time every 1 hour. Just like the one is a mac book

jokerdino

and what was the concat stuff?

Tomarinator

i have to concat the string "the time is" and the current date , and pass it to espeak

jokerdino

18:09

there might be a simpler way.

The Lord of Time

why does this sound a little like a homework problem...

Tomarinator

umm, do you know of any ? :)

The Lord of Time

@jokerdino would you mind pinning my starred comment on "Mint is offtopic on Ask Ubuntu"? At least for a few days.

i see more and more mint people show up here and on IRC every day

Tomarinator

uhg just because i am 18, doen not mean everything i build is a homework problem, @TheLordofTime

The Lord of Time

especially since the... "rumors"

jokerdino

18:11

@TheLordofTime your wish is mein command

The Lord of Time

@Tomarinator wasn't implying that, but i had a similar question pass nearby recently, so... :P

Tomarinator

:)

jokerdino

echo "the time is $(date)" | espeak --stdin

FEichinger

@TheLordofTime Rumors? What did I miss?

jokerdino

@FEichinger It's dead.

FEichinger

18:14

@jokerdino Mint?

jokerdino

No, ubuntu community. It's been in the planet for the past couple of days.

The Lord of Time

@jokerdino Rumors are rumors, the community can't fully die.

FEichinger

@jokerdino That I know, but I don't get the train of thought behind "People come to us with Mint question because the ubuntu community is dead." then ...

jokerdino

@TheLordofTime but they said so!

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger Mint users assume that because it's based on Ubuntu, they can use Ubuntu's support places for support.

having said this, I've seen more people use Mint recently, because of problems they see with Ubuntu, and that increase has happened here too.

FEichinger

18:17

@TheLordofTime But if ubuntu's community - and thus also ubuntu's support places - is dead ... That makes no sense!

jokerdino

@FEichinger you are thinking too far ahead.

The Lord of Time

if it were dead, Ask Ubuntu, Ubuntu Forums, and IRC would be dead right now.

and they're not.

so... :P

jokerdino

so, the four people who have a blog on planet thinks so. it must be true no? :P

FEichinger

That's why it makes no sense! The premise is wrong, which makes the conclusion ridiculous.

I agree with the notion of the community being largely pointless, however.

jokerdino

what changed?

Tomarinator

18:20

@TheLordofTime what parallel universe do you live in ? :p

FEichinger

I believe we don't need the same discussion we've seen here for the past two days yet again. Boils down to "canonical secludes itself more and pushes decisions out of nowhere, community becomes a glorified support centre"

jokerdino

@FEichinger Canonical would want a community for at least the word of mouth.

The Lord of Time

@Tomarinator uh, what?

Tomarinator

that was in response to this chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8411606#8411606 forgot to use the usual reply method.

FEichinger

@TheLordofTime I'm so inclined to say "The one where the TARDIS is real."

jokerdino

18:23

is it the community that builds ubuntu?

FEichinger

@jokerdino "community" means something totally different now than what it used to, that's the point there.

Now, the community is free advertisement and support. Ubuntu is no longer even remotely the "community's child" or anything like that. And the recent pushes from canonical just put that much more into plain view.

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger lol

jokerdino

@FEichinger well, when most of the work being done on ubuntu comes from Mark's pockets, i dont think i would have much of a say.

FEichinger

@jokerdino I never said it didn't make sense. In fact, it makes a lot of sense from various POVs.

But, from what it looks like, this isn't what a considerably large group of people has in mind.

jokerdino

which group do we fit in? the reasonable ones?

The Lord of Time

18:27

@jokerdino the defeatists.

jokerdino

so soon?

The Lord of Time

2 hours ago, by The Lord of Time

i'm starting to think i shouldn't have voted you for moderator now that you're being defeatist.

FEichinger

I'm a watcher, in that regard. Personally, I don't give a flying, really. I agree with various points on either side, but that doesn't mean I get involved on either side.

jokerdino

@TheLordofTime i tried to be sarcastic. :/

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger i'm in a similar opinion

jokerdino

18:28

clearly i failed.

The Lord of Time

@jokerdino sarcasm on the internet can be hard to interpret

after all, its only text we see here.

jokerdino

@TheLordofTime i totally understand.

The Lord of Time

anyone can make that mistake

jokerdino

could have typed them in comic sans.

The Lord of Time

okay, seriously, someone needs to shoot me, I almost used bronyspeak again...

FEichinger

18:29

@TheLordofTime If we'd finally get a new Doctor, I'd perhaps even find that parallel universe a whole lot more attracting than this one again. :P

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger heh

FEichinger

@TheLordofTime shoots you twice

jokerdino

@TheLordofTime i know one other guy who watches the pony show.

haven't seen him since a while though.

0

Q: different wallpapers for different sessions

I have two sessions - Unity and Gnome Fallback on my laptop. I'm using unity in portable mode and gnome fallback with second display at home. And i want different wallpapers for unity and fallback sessions. Light for unity and dark for fallback. I think, i can use autostart option showonlyin=, bu...

12.04 unity gnome-classic

this q is answerable!

FEichinger

Isn't it also a dupe?

jokerdino

@FEichinger i cant find one. but i think so too

along the likes of askubuntu.com/a/79616/25798

FEichinger

18:33

:/

jokerdino

@FEichinger i'll pop a 50 rep if you want to try answering it.

FEichinger

But then I'd have to switch on my brains. I only do that when I code something ... I'm not coding something.

<-- lazy arse

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger I'll give ya a dollar.

jokerdino

5

A: Is it possible to have different GTK+ theme in Unity and Gnome Shell?

Building upon the previous answers: For 11.10 #!/bin/bash if [ "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" = "Unity" ] then gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme 'Ambiance' gconftool-2 --set --type string /apps/metacity/general/theme 'Ambiance' gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-the...

find the gsettings key and write a bash script ;)

FEichinger

@TheLordofTime I'm European. A dollar ain't worth shit over here.

jokerdino

18:37

i actually had it in my script.

FEichinger

@jokerdino Did I mention that I'm also tired and slightly drunk?

jokerdino

lol wait, i edited it out of that particular answer actually

askubuntu.com/posts/79616/revisions

FEichinger

@jokerdino lol

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger don't care that you're tired. don't care that you're drunk. would you rather me have said i'd give ya a euro?

paypal makes giving euros easy :P

FEichinger

@TheLordofTime Nah. I'm not cheap either.

jokerdino

18:39

you know what, i am going to do it. brave face

0

A: different wallpapers for different sessions

Using this bash script, you can achieve what you want. #!/bin/bash if [ "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" = "Unity" ] then gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri 'file:///usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png' else gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri 'file:///...

The Lord of Time

you have failed, @jokerdino. Downvote.

jokerdino

good thing it is wiki-ed :P

Ask Ubuntu Meta

0

Q: When commenting on a "moderator" flag, how can I finish just with the keyboard?

When I flag a post "for moderator attention/other" I want to just type my comment and then commit the flag using only the keyboard. As I see it now I have to use the mouse to click on "flag question" because enter just inserts a break. Additionally I have already tried CTRLenter, ALTenter and SH...

support

Aditya

@jokerdino: are you around?

jokerdino

yeah

almost, kinda

did i screw something up?

Aditya

18:50

could you delete this comment: askubuntu.com/questions/265125/…

I had flagged it but it got declined

i had answered that comment and then deleted it myself :-)

jokerdino

ok done.

Aditya

maybe the mod who handled the flag got confused and so let it remain

@jokerdino thanks

jokerdino

hm, also why so many exclamation marks lol

Aditya

@jokerdino !!!!!!

jokerdino

i think there is a low quality auto flag for so many !!!!. watch out

Aditya

18:52

@jokerdino really

jokerdino

it is one of the heuristics for low quality content

Tomarinator

I have this line in my crontab file [ */1 * * * * espeak 'i am awesome' && date +%I:%M | espeak --stdin ] , but only half of it, first command gets executed every minute. While when I write this in the terminal it works like a charm. Is there a different way to specify 2 commands in the same crontab ?

Aditya

that was just a comment... Won't do so in questions/answers unless necessary

:)

jokerdino

@Tomarinator yep

@Aditya okay just letting you know. there are people getting offended by the abuse of ! :)

Aditya

@jokerdino I thought of it as a sign of jolly mood

really !!!!!!!!

jokerdino

18:55

might be a bit of a overkill ;)

@Tomarinator but are you awesome?

anyway, try this

echo 'i am awesome $(date +%I:%M)' | espeak --stdin

Tomarinator

i dont think its working, i am not hearing any I am awesomes

jokerdino

double quotes probably

ok. i am leaving for the night. i have lots of stuff to do tmrw. :/

Tomarinator

ok thanks man :)

fossfreedom

@Oli ok - bad joke :/

Tomarinator

btw it still doesn't work

So how does one specify 2 commands in a single line in a cron job

The Lord of Time

19:02

who else here hates text speak in online posts?

the internet is NOT texting.

Aditya

@jokerdino good night

The Lord of Time

the internet is NOT IM.

explodes

The Lord of Time

19:16

hehe, i wonder how many stars the pinned post is going to get... :P

i mean, it is just a reminder, but... :P

mateo_salta

yep, yep

The Lord of Time

aw, it was unpinned, oh well.

meh, no issue, although it still should be kept around, there's been a significant rise in the number of people asking for mint support via ubuntu support.

Tomarinator

19:33

guys guys , does anyone here have any previous experience working with cronjobs on ubuntu ? I am running 2 commands in the same line in my crontab file [ source ~/Desktop/apps/twitter_bot/twitter-bot-env/bin/activate;python ~/Desktop/apps/twitter_bot/yugdom_cron.py ]

and it wont work, even with very simple commands like espeak. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8412330#8412330

Marco Ceppi

@Tomarinator Don't use ~ it doesn't expand well in cron

Tomarinator

@MarcoCeppi , isnt that necessary to specify absolute address ? and btw it doesnt work without ~ , i tried that way too

The Lord of Time

@Tomarinator so use /home/<username>/rest/of/path

Marco Ceppi

Ninja'd

The Lord of Time

~ is a shortcut in bash i think to /home/YourUserNameHere

use the full path, without the ~ shortcut.

THERE we go

code formatting is awsum, when it freaking WORKS

FEichinger

19:38

@TheLordofTime Backticks, no spaces on the inside.

The chat's formatting is weird anyway.

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger breaks when you use [ ]

because bash uses the [ ] and i think [ ] has other uses as well, and the chat doesn't process it right with the `

(the bash tag being an example of used syntax)

FEichinger

[tag:bash]

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger i meant with everything else

FEichinger

[Blargh]

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger the original example was /home/[user]/i/am/a/path

mateo_salta

19:40

"[]{}~?[tag:bash]"

Tomarinator

okay i tried that way [ */1 * * * * source /home/stom/Desktop/apps/twitter_bot/twitter-bot-env/bin/activate;python /home/stom/Desktop/apps/twitter_bot/yugdom_cron.py ] , it still doesnt work,

FEichinger

[Bla rgh ]

The Lord of Time

/home/[user]/i/am/a/path

huh, why did that work, but not the one I originally did... shrugs

FEichinger

lol

The Lord of Time

@Tomarinator you should create a script for that, and have cron exec the script, i think

it may make your life easier.

FEichinger

19:41

vm

The Lord of Time

no i didn't?

FEichinger

To the sandbox!

The Lord of Time

have fun with it.

mateo_salta

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...

4

FEichinger

in Sandbox, 25 secs ago, by FEichinger

@FEichinger so use /home/[yourusername]/rest/of/path

Works for me? ...

The Lord of Time

19:44

it works here, too

perhaps a rendering bug shrugs

FEichinger

Weeeeird.

But, as I said, chat formatting is weird anyway.

The Lord of Time

yup

oh, and because I have the overwhelming urge to repeat this...

3 hours ago, by The Lord of Time

@SomeKittens Mint is offtopic on Ask Ubuntu.

Seth

@jokerdino @RolandiXor I've posted the spam question on MSO:

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Q: What can we do about the reoccurring spam?

I have noticed across SE we are getting a lot of spam, usually titled "WATCH BLAH BLAH BLAH HERE". It is very repetitive, regularly coming in the later afternoon/early evening (pacific time) a few times a week. This is starting to become a problem (on Ask Ubuntu at least) because this spam com...

discussion spam spam-prevention

I think I covered everything :>

Marco Ceppi

20:13

I really don't think spam is that big of an issue on the site

Tomarinator

Is there something worng with the following address i specified to an executable bash file in my crontab? */1 * * * * ./home/stom/Desktop/bak.sh

FEichinger

I think the leading dot isn't needed.

Tomarinator

but its an executable file

FEichinger

Oh, right, missed that, nvm.

guntbert

are large verbatim copies from help.ubuntu.com useful?

1

Q: Ubuntu reinstall without loosing /home?

I got to a state when upgrade is not possible - old system (10.10, packages index too broken) I dediced to reinstall. Now I'd like to keep my /home. Ideally, I'd like to burn a CD or ISO to USB and click Next, Next, Next. How should I proceed?

installation home-directory

Marco Ceppi

20:19

@guntbert Large? no. But snippets that provide context and pointpoint solutions to the problem, yes

guntbert

@MarcoCeppi, look at the answer to the above question please

Tomarinator

@FEichinger As strange it may sound, I removed that dot and it worked, it freaking worked......

Marco Ceppi

@guntbert this is plagiarism

FEichinger

Then I was right ... and I have no idea why. Hooray!

Marco Ceppi

A large, verbatim, copied text with no sources cited

FEichinger

20:23

@guntbert No credit given is enough to kill that one.

guntbert

Do we flag such a post?

Marco Ceppi

@guntbert yes

and leave a comment telling the user how to fix it

When you flag it, please include the link to the original source so we can compare

if you didn't already put it in the comments

Tomarinator

goodnight people, :D

guntbert

@MarcoCeppi, I stated it in a comment - but "telling the user how to fix it" requires some work on my behalf...

Marco Ceppi

@guntbert this is what I used:

Please do not plagiarizer other sources. You should copy relevant portions of the text, always insuring you link back to the original content, and make use of "Quotation" tags >

guntbert

20:29

s/plagiarizer/plagiarize/ :-)

@MarcoCeppi, thx for the education

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

20:51

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Q: problem connecting to L2TP VPN

I installed l2tp-ipsec-vpn‍‍ from ppa:werner-jaeger/ppa-werner-vpn. Yesterday I was able to connect to my L2TP vpn account successfully. But after restart i'm getting this on syslog: Mar 07 21:16:44.834 xl2tpd[7179]: death_handler: Fatal signal 15 received Mar 07 21:16:44.835 Stopping xl2tpd: ...

ubuntu vpn

George Edison

21:02

@MarcoCeppi Just noticed you have a charm for Discourse already.

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison yeah, it should work unless upstream changed again

I test it about once every week

@GeorgeEdison meta.discourse.org/t/…

hhh

21:51

I need to run an infected EXE file with trojan horse for which I thought to do with my Ubuntu laptop under Wine with a dummy user -- what kind of privileges does the dummy user have?

The Lord of Time

you assume the dummy "guest" user can run Wine.

hhh

Good point...I haven't thought about that

The Lord of Time

having said this

hhh

Perhaps let it compile it?

The Lord of Time

if it can, it'll have just as much admin access

FEichinger

21:53

why not just use an actual VM?

The Lord of Time

for "Windows" at least

i agree, use an actual VM that you can nuke

but before you do anything

WHY are you wanting to view a trojan program?

hhh

curious

The Lord of Time

curiosity alone is insufficient.

i work IT Security, curiosity is insufficient, but if you're using it to see what damage the trojan could do, then that's a different story.

just pure curiosity isn't a reason to run a trojan.

hhh

what can it do?

...it would be best to test in totally-physically-separated computer...

but I don't have such device

guntbert

@TheLordofTime, your edit in askubuntu.com/questions/265192/…, please s/(for/(from/

The Lord of Time

21:59

@guntbert you can't edit it?

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