Ask Ubuntu General Room - 2012-12-02

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jrg

00:00

oh, @Flabricorn - idk if you're interested, but if you want to write about Linux 2buntu is looking for writers. always are. :)

iSeth

@jrg BTW where will you announce hats? I can't find a blog or anything the the rest of the SE sites

jrg

@iSeth we will announce hats on meta.askubuntu.com when they become available.

no word yet as to when that will be.

iSeth

@jrg Ok, so no blog?

As in, we don't have one

jrg

@iSeth oh, stackexchange will write a blog post about it for network-wide...

someone will blog about it on their personal blog and get it pushed out to the ubuntu planet... probably.

but ask ubuntu itself doesn't have a blog.

iSeth

OK thats what I wanted to know

BBL

mateo_salta

00:25

@jrg yep

1 hour later…

iSeth

01:43

Well I'm back, if anyone else is

jrg

02:02

@mateo_salta ok, cool. :-)

Chacha102

02:46

Hey, anyone alive?

iSeth

03:02

barley...

MiJyn

hi

iSeth

hi

4 hours later…

Amith KK

06:51

appears

Mahesh

07:12

o/

Amith KK

@Mahesh Hello

Mahesh

hi..

so, exams over?

Amith KK

Nah

just came back from tutions

Mahesh

hmm...

mechanig just got a decent style. yesterday.

Amith KK

What would be the besy ubuntu laptop under 30k?

Preferably Dell

Mahesh

07:23

I'll recomend asus.

way more cheaper than dell, and it works out of the box, usually.

avoid hp. I've had enough bad experiences with it.

Flabricorn

07:58

@AmithKK Preferaby not Dell?

Amith KK

I guess

Flabricorn

They create cheap products that don't last.

Amith KK

something that runs unity out of the box would be nice

Flabricorn

Out of the box?

Mahesh

unity almost always runs out of the box.

Flabricorn

08:00

Asus is great, the eeepc 900 I got was working fine out of the box when I was working on it.

Mahesh

somedevices may trouble you with wifi, or graphics card, or suspend/resume or hibernate/resume.

if it hibernates and suspends properly, and resumes, go for it. Asus, it usually works. Hp, usually doesn't work. Dell, it works, and they have excellent customer service, but still, I fell its overpriced.

Amith KK

I don't want to pay the windows tax

Mahesh

:P

Flabricorn

Windows tax?

Mahesh

then go for asus. they happily give you a device with freedos. dell and hp , good luck getting a no-windows system. :P

Flabricorn

08:05

Ah.

Mahesh

Do I sound like I'm marketing Asus? :/

Flabricorn

I see, yeah skip Dell, HP is not for Linux, but Asus works. Just skip Acer, they have worse product quality than Dell.

Mahesh

never tried acer.

Flabricorn

@Mahesh A little, but for all the laptop users out here that want something freedo as you put it.

Amith KK

Ok Asus Transformer Prime is the only one?

Mahesh

08:06

lenovo is okay. my friend has one, and uses it with no probs.

sony, heavily overpriced for thr brand name. nothing great.

Flabricorn

Oh, but they're a tad bit on the expensive size.

And Sony. Nope.

Never used them, don't intend to.

@jrg Tell these game happy freaks to get out of my house, it's almost three and there is no time to make a game.

Mahesh

bbl

Flabricorn

@Mahesh See you!

1 hour later…

Mahesh

09:17

o/

6 hours later…

Ask Ubuntu Meta

14:51

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Q: Has rep required to edit questions been increased?

The other night I suggested several edits to remove the word "Ubuntu" from titles as was suggested in a tip here. Now, edit is faded out under questions for me and tells me "Account is not allowed to suggest edits". If I go under my account and select privileges, when I hover over "edit question...

discussion support suggested-edits

its_me

15:16

In various commands I see that display is represented using 0.0 or something like that, and audio devices using something like hw:1. How do I find out the code for my display and audio device? Is there a command that lists all the connected displays and audio devices along with their codes?

its_me

15:34

I will take a deeper look at the ffmpeg documentation...

Amith KK

15:44

appears

Amith KK

16:29

oh..my

BBT

Good Night

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

2

Q: Adding repositories with “./”

I'm trying to add this unoficcial repository to my Ubuntu 12.04 machine (32 bits), in order to install a software called SLTV. According to the official site, the following lines should be used: deb http://debian.holoscopio.com/sltv/ ./ deb-src http://debian.holoscopio.com/sltv/ ./ If I add ma...

ubuntu apt repository

its_me

17:36

Does Ubuntu come with PulseAudio installed? Is the gui that I see when I go to 'system settings > sound' of pulse audio?

1 hour later…

Jorge Castro

18:58

yes

Flabricorn

19:10

Quiet...

jrg

19:48

@Flabricorn party can start now, i'm here.

Lord of Time

20:23

0

Q: Is an Ubuntu Phone OS being developed or are plans limited to Ubuntu For Android?

Things is getting a bit confusing. There are posts on blogs and websites about an Ubuntu Phone OS, which is a phone that runs on an Ubuntu OS solely. There are plenty of designs out there for Unity adapted to a smartphone. However, the only reference to phones on the Ubuntu website is the Ubuntu ...

^ is this NARQ, or just plain offtopic?

i can't tell :/

its one of those questions taht i see as a "red flag" in that nobody can clearly answer it on this site.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Maybe just direct them to:

10

Q: Should questions about Nexus 7 be off-topic?

Questions about the Ubuntu installation on Nexus 7 are starting to appear on AskUbuntu such as this: How to Enable Wireless on Nexus 7 Given that Canonical themselves have pitched the Nexus 7 as a development goal for 13.04 - should we as a community treat Nexus 7 questions similar to Alpha &...

Lord of Time

kinda confused on what that even says.

are we considering them offtopic?

(I don't see a definite "yes" or "no")

AbrahamVanHelpsing

The consensus is on-topic, but only the people that handle the mobile tag will be reading it. Most of the other people think it's mixed bag or clog questions.

Lord of Time

people like me you mean.

... damn it got dark o.o

happened to look out the window, saw it is DARK

AbrahamVanHelpsing

checks. still light outside here

Lord of Time

20:36

and its only 15:36 here

(maybe there's rain or something)

Jorge Castro

20:47

I don't see what a phone question has to do with the nexus 7

jrg

@LordofTime it's more of a unicorn question.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@JorgeCastro The direction I was taking was "there are plans for a real ubu-phone" so the question seems legit

jrg

@AbrahamVanHelpsing the answer to this question is "They've said yes, but they haven't released anything"

AbrahamVanHelpsing

now if only there was a working ubu-phone/ubu-tablet i would feel like this:

user image

jrg

and unless you have root access to launchpad and want to find their private repo, that's about all you can give them. :P

Lord of Time

20:51

@jrg Isnt the question about a future-release / unannounced-features thing?

@jrg if so doesn't that fall into the void of offtopicness here?

@AbrahamVanHelpsing hehe, the kitty is being sucked into the carnivorous ceiling! :P

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@jrg i'm no sabdfl so i don't have root ;)

jrg

no, canonical has said that they are doing stuff. They just haven't announced specifics. It's different than say, "when will wayland ship", because well, they've tried to ship wayland like 10 times now.

and so far they haven't. :P

or rather, let me put it this way: Vote as you see fit. It will make its way into the review, and then other people will have the chance to look at it.

Jorge Castro

we haven't really tried to ship wayland, there's not much to ship

jrg

@JorgeCastro stop putting it on the roadmap then, and then not doing it! :P

(i'm just picking on the wayland one because most of us know about it - i honestly don't care if wayland ships, X works nicely.)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

fyi dopehumor has an open redirect to any valid image file...doesn't matter where it's hosted ;)

dopehumor.com/wp-content/themes/dopehumor/tt/tt.php?src=

jrg

20:57

interesting...

AbrahamVanHelpsing

yup. google images...whatever, just tag it on the end of that. you have "WHAT" on your website...well the url has your name in it

jrg

this is a problem with being a polymorphic linux user and data packrat: keeping up with all the latest ISOs.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

you could try an rsync clone of mirror.anl.gov

warning, they will throttle you for a LONG time on your initial sync

jrg

21:12

i don't have a 21TB SATABEAST.

I have 50GB. :P

AbrahamVanHelpsing

oh. well it was worth a shot i guess ;)

jrg

maybe i just found my new service: Make a server that only has the past year + LTS of ISOs.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

did you check the website for nexsan? "54000 IOPS and expands to over 1PB"

that.is.a.lot.of.data.

jrg

> 82TB total capacity with SATA drives

> 25.2TB total capacity with SAS drives

(for the SATABeast. Which is the cool-sounding one.)

yeah, it is a lot of data.

go halvsies on a NAS with 1PB? ;)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

hold on while i make a withdrawl kidding

jrg

21:18

it'll break both our credit ratings. :P

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i wonder if any other apps are trying the maximize over the size of a single screen like blender does

jrg

i've seen apps where their minimum size is bigger than anything i've ever owned. cough thunderbird preference window cough

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i more meant how blender tries to size itself to the desktop geometry not the screen/single monitor geometry

jrg

oh, ok. i haven't seen that.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

if you have a multi-monitor system the initial window size is enough to span all monitors

good idea for some applications

jrg

21:25

i've heard roland complain about that, i sometimes wish my terminal did that.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

with all the terminals around, i'm sure there's at least one that can be configured to do so

dear vmware workstation...i'm aware i'm using the open drivers. please stop complaining about not having hardware acceleration available. kthx

jrg

21:38

So @jokerdino and/or @Mahesh: how far along is mechanig? Can i do fun things with it yet? :)

Jorge Castro

21:49

@Jrg pretty sure you had edit rights before the site had suggested edits

wrt. your comment on meta

jrg

@JorgeCastro no, i suggested my 100 edits, got my 200 rep, and then shortly thereafter i got my 2K.

Jorge Castro

oh

jrg

jrg had 200 edit suggestions approved, and 6 edit suggestions rejected.

you rejected like 3 of my edits in a row, and i was edit locked for almost two weeks or something.

iSeth

@jrg where did you get that info?

jrg

most productive 2 weeks of my life since I discovered ask ubuntu. :P

AbrahamVanHelpsing

21:53

wow. kernel for raring is 3.7 right alongside rc on kernel.org

jrg

askubuntu.com/users/6005/jrg?tab=activity&sort=suggestions, and then askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/11655, and then the "more" link at the top, and then it showed it.

iSeth

Ok, I found it.

jrg

@AbrahamVanHelpsing it'll be stable by the time raring is released.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i figured, it just surprised me a little

jrg

@Flabricorn: Want to make lots of money in games? Build a better flightgear. One that works.

iSeth

22:04

@jrg Yeah, we really need a better flight gear...

jrg

it keeps seging.

iSeth

BTB is it safe to install google earth even though it complains about the .deb being packed wrong?

jokerdino

@jrg it is absolutely premature stuff

jrg

@jokerdino so it's "magic, don't touch" stage. gotcha.

jokerdino

yep, pretty much that's it.

GUI is 80% done. backend code at 0.1%

jrg

22:14

normally it's the other way around.

jokerdino

yeah, we are weird like that

hey, but we are pretty much on target

jrg

STOP BEING WEIRD, START BEING NORMAL. ;)

jokerdino

Being weird is the new being normal :P

iSeth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing you still here?

@jrg Do you own this?

jrg's SockPuppet

3 2

jokerdino

Yep

it's his puppet for science.

jrg

22:19

dah. i use(d) him for verifying how the site looks to normal users.

and never imploded him.

iSeth

So you never came to annoy users that annoy you? :D

jk

fossfreedom

o/

jokerdino

o/

jrg

oh, i suppose i could do all sorts of nefarious deeds, but the guy was used for the aforementioned reason, and i was tinkering with an SE API project that never did anything. he was supposed to be a way for me to do that without issues.

iSeth

@jrg Well not much with 3 rep... :D

mateo_salta

22:23

all it takes is a good answer or two and a few edits to get to chat...

jokerdino

or associated accounts in 20 sites

fossfreedom

... interesting distro ... quantal quetzak (askubuntu.com/questions/224778/…)

jrg

@fossfreedom heh, nice.

let @iSeth get the reputation for fixing it. :)

iSeth

@jrg The author edited it 45 secs ago

jrg

oh. :(

iSeth

22:26

I bet he posted then googled =)

@jrg Hey, It was thoughtful of you :D

haha now its top in the queue

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Gigabit network connection in Ubuntu issue with new hardware

Probably its typical issue, but I couldn’t found the answer. Sometime ago I had mini-ITX server worked on ZOTAC IONITX-G-E. It was managed by Ubuntu 10.10. I setuped Gigabit network with this server. I installed one additional network card (Planet ENW-9700. It's PCI-E x1 card) because it did some...

ubuntu networking networkcard realtek

iSeth

@fossfreedom cool highlighting in the screen shots! How'd you do it?

0

A: How can I configure Unity?

Ubuntu 12.10 overview The default configuration option installed as standard is User Interface. There are three further unity configuration options used in this answer that can be installed: Ubuntu Tweak dconf-editor ccsm Note 1: In previous answers, the utility CCSM was extensively used a...

fossfreedom

use shutter - it has some nice touches to add to screen-grabs.

iSeth

@fossfreedom Cool, thanks. Awesome post BTW

fossfreedom

... the bounty was nearly up ... I dont know why someone didnt answer it :(

Jorge Castro

22:35

bah, and you CWed it so my rep goes to waste!

iSeth

@fossfreedom Yeah...

jrg

so fossfreedom will get 2K reputation from that single question. Talk about unfair distribution of the reputation! ;)

Jorge Castro

awesome answer though!

jrg

@fossfreedom you. un-cw it now, you deserve the rep. :P

jokerdino

he gets the rep from bounty though

jrg

22:36

oh, does he?

jokerdino

he would only miss out on upvotes

fossfreedom

I didnt even see that CW ... ok un-cw now.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@iSeth i am

and he does

iSeth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing

25 mins ago, by iSeth

jrg's SockPuppet

3 2

AbrahamVanHelpsing

yes, i know

iSeth

22:44

oh OK

fossfreedom

@jrg - I'm not clear on this one - is this a bug or not? askubuntu.com/questions/198277/… ... maybe we should close the Q?

jrg

@fossfreedom refund and close.

and done

fossfreedom

thanks

jrg

you're welcome. :)

so, my one-year-old laptop has what is now considered a legacy GPU. :( unixmen.com/ubuntu-12-10-and-amd-catalyst-problem-solved

well, good thing someone wrote the fix, i'll have to give it a spin later this month. :P

iSeth

We have such awesome moderators...

fossfreedom

22:48

... that is what you get when you buy ATI/AMD :P

jrg

shrugs can't beat $350 for it. just in the pain and suffering i've saved by having an identical laptop to my sisters is worth it. :P

iSeth

I haven't felt any performance increase from my AMD Athlon X2 to my Intel Core i7 vPro

fossfreedom

@jrg $350! ... did it fall off the back of a truck? :P

jrg

@fossfreedom Week-before-christmas sale.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

good @WillHunting is here...womp womp

iSeth

22:50

oh wait... we're talking GPU.. oops

user19161

@AbrahamVanHelpsing Yes. I believe you know my secret identity...

jrg

in hindsight, probably wasn't worth it. 1.6GHZ CPU, meh. 4GB ram, it works. the GPU is what I was really interested in it for.

that and the 15" display. :P

user19161

So guys I tried out the Ubuntu GNOME respin 12.10.

user19161

And I have to say, it just kept freezing on me.

user19161

It happened at least 4 times. I had to reboot manually.

iSeth

22:52

@WillHunting Did you have good GPU drivers?

user19161

I guess it will be better in 13.04.

fossfreedom

@jrg stick with intel - you cant go wrong.

user19161

@iSeth Well, not great hardware but decent. No problem using Fedora.

iSeth

@WillHunting probably not GPU then

fossfreedom

bbl

jrg

22:53

@fossfreedom In my defense, I was young. and it performs much better at john the ripper than my intel box. :P

jokerdino

@WillHunting Hey, I just watched that movie a couple days ago.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

it's a great movie

user19161

@jokerdino Yes, I lead a similar life so I chose to use that username.

jokerdino

You.. you didn't say that.

jrg

@AbrahamVanHelpsing: 16s.us/16crack/defcon_2012 is this plausible?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

22:55

what the one-man cracking team? sure. the guys that win every year don't win because of high powered hardware. they win because of patterning

jrg

hm. interesting. given a big enough sample of data, patterns emerge. same goes for wordlists.

user19161

I guess when Ubuntu GNOME becomes more stable it will become an official derivative.

jrg

in the meantime, download mainline and then do sudo apt-get install gnome-shell ;)

user19161

@jrg Sorry bro, I am using Debian now. =)

mateo_salta

...hm, looks like I need to re-setup all the keys and stuff for launchpad, any way to resetup that with information from launchpad for a different machine, or just make new?

iSeth

22:58

Its funny: people complain about unity "We hate unity, we hate unity" We say fine go use GNOME. They come running back: "We want unity, we want unity!"

jokerdino

Nope. They want Mint.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

openbox ftw. but i still put desktop files in things so they work with unity

cinnamon is an abomination

iSeth

Whats up with this: ask.debian.net

jokerdino

Shapado.

iSeth

@jokerdino But it looks a lot like SE

user19161

23:01

@iSeth Long in existence. I believe there is a similar one for Fedora.

jokerdino

Q&A sites won't differ much

AbrahamVanHelpsing

304

Q: Stack Overflow clones

Listed here are clones of the Stack Exchange sites model.

discussion stackexchange clone

jokerdino

@WillHunting askfedora

askfedora is ask bot implementation

iSeth

man... and the Unix.SE people complain about us taking their questions...

jokerdino

who did?

they are happy they don't get crappy questions.

iSeth

23:03

@jokerdino let me find it again

@jokerdino

6

Q: Where's everybody?

Linux is about 1-2% market share (hopefully more), which is still a lot of people. Wondered why this site doesn't seem very popular. What other Q&A sites on Linux out there? If I use Gentoo, should I go straight to forums.gentoo.org, or are there other good places for general Linux questions?

jokerdino

That's like 2 years old.

iSeth

quote: "Ubuntu SE - I seriously believe a lot of our people are there, and I blame management for trying to be democratic instead of putting their foot down."

@jokerdino hmm yeah it is. Its mostly that user though. no big deal

jokerdino

Most of the active people in the site are fine the way it is.

user19161

@jokerdino You know my secret identity right? Shh...

jokerdino

What is the secret part?

user19161

23:08

@jokerdino I mean you know my username before this one right?

jokerdino

Ah yes.

I even know your email id.

user19161

@jokerdino Yes, thanks to I forgot who.

jokerdino

izx

AbrahamVanHelpsing

is there a debian/ubuntu policy on softlinking things to another location in opt once they're installed properly in usr/share or usr/lib?

jrg

@AbrahamVanHelpsing i don't know. might be a good question for the site.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

23:11

example /opt/wordlists/dnsenum.dns.txt...so if i make dnsenum or some other thing a "proper" package i can still have a pretty straightforward place to put wordlists used by different tools and whatnot?

i guess it could be a good question for the site

jrg

ugh. it's the same with every distro except for fedora/ubuntu/SUSE: I boot the VM, and then it's like "oh, we didn't tell you how to install network drivers."

even the BSDs i've used do it. particularly the BSDs. :P

RAGE

it shouldn't be this hard. Things that basic should just work. :(

AbrahamVanHelpsing

FreeBSD had network driver install easily last time I checked.

and question asked:

0

Q: Is there a debian/ubuntu policy on softlinking things to another location in opt once they're installed?

Is there a debian/ubuntu policy on softlinking things to another location in opt once they're installed properly in usr/share or usr/lib? Here's a simple example: Packaging up dnsenum. It's a REALLY simple package (4 files). A perl script, two wordlists, and a readme. So from what I gather...

packaging debian policy

I have a sneaking suspicion the answer will be to make a wordlists package that pulls in all the others as dependencies and create softlinks in the separate package

also, square enix needs to port their modified UT engine to pure opengl

fossfreedom

23:29

back

AbrahamVanHelpsing

o/ @fossfreedom

fossfreedom

i'm happy - my rhythmbox PPA has reached 100,000 downloads. Cool!

5

AbrahamVanHelpsing

\o/ - how many different plug-ins do you have in there now?

fossfreedom

dunno - lost count.

just uploading one more.

27 plugins now.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

okay. i've started chipping away at making proper packages out of all the stuff that got jammed in to backtrack. i'm trying to find a way to make the stuff "comply" but still be as convenient so it's like "install another distro? why not just add that ppa?"

good job on the 27 plug-ins

fossfreedom

23:34

how many packages you are you facing to-do?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

lots. the really funny part is the menu system seems clogged in BT, but when you dedupe it it's a quarter that many packages.

fossfreedom

sounds like a big job - all GPL packages?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

thc-ipv6 for example provides a load of tools. or maltego appears in a half dozen categories type of thing.

mostly. they're *almost* all free to redist as long as you don't change them. about half of the tools are a single script or a couple of scripts

and yes. it's a big-ish job, but take for example the dns category. two of them are already in repo, one is in thc-ipv6 that someone already debianized and left on github, two of them are java and occur in multiple categories(saving for last), and the remaining ones are simple one-file scripts.

mateo_salta

23:51

I feel like a secret agent every time I do the launchpad SSH PGP stuff.

3

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i feel like an idiot every time i have to remove a key because the box it was on got nuked and add another one

mateo_salta

yep, that happened to me.

back and running now, now I can bzr nitroshare!

AbrahamVanHelpsing

bzr is bizzare. it's probably that i haven't used it enough, but it just seems really odd

jrg

@AbrahamVanHelpsing yeah, same here.

i've got like 10 GPG keys. hopefully i won't run into this problem anymore, have double truecrypt backups on separate USB keys.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i've still got the laptop keys, but the desktop? i don't think i'm going to revive it

mateo_salta

23:58

so far it seems similar to git to me, probably because I've only been doing simple stuff like getting the source code with it...

jokerdino

i got used to git more than bzr now

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