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George Edison

00:00

Whatever the case, I am without WiFi access on my Kindle because of it.

jrg

@GeorgeEdison i think for google it's by design

George Edison

That's a disappointment.

Can iOS devices connect to ad-hoc networks?

jrg

yup

George Edison

thesillyclone.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/…

Let me know if that works. (I assume you have a Win7 box somewhere to use for testing.)

I might give it a try on my Kindle.

This would make an awesome question for AU!

jrg

is there a connectify ubuntu version?

George Edison

00:05

No.

But I'm working on a solution...

jrg

our network here at the vacation place is rather... interesting, i'd prefer to not have a windows version as the firewall/dhcp server/etc.

George Edison

cyberciti.biz/faq/…

I'm reading that.

lazyPower

@jrg what version of droid are you running?

Journeyman Geek

@jrg: I do suspect it should be possible to throw something similar together with hostapd

lazyPower

rather, what lfavor

George Edison

00:06

@JourneymanGeek Right. (That's what I'm trying to figure out ATM.)

jrg

@lazyPower unrooted stock google jelly bean.

lazyPower

the wifi hotspot that comes stock with the phone, is by definition, adhoc

Journeyman Geek

no, actually

jrg

i'm trying to connect a tablet to a adhoc ubuntu-hosted network.

Journeyman Geek

in my android 4.0 system, it runs as a infrastructure AP

lazyPower

00:07

oh?

Samsung Galaxy S3 runs adhoc :|

Journeyman Geek

HTC <3

lazyPower

HTC </3

Journeyman Geek

might be cause you're american

lazyPower

EVO was the biggest piece of $#@!%

never again

Journeyman Geek

no offense, your phone companies do stupid things to screw over their customers

lazyPower

00:08

none taken, i agree

Journeyman Geek

@lazyPower: The only problem with my One V is that I like it so much, when the time comes, I'd be reluctant to upgrade

lazyPower

Thats odd that your tablet wont connect to an adhoc network tho

seems to be a standard complaint according to the oracle of the internet.

Roland Taylor

jrg

@GeorgeEdison: I might not have the right hardware, but Connectify doesn't work.

says "AP not supported"

so I'm probably screwed. :\

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A: How do I share my Wi-Fi via Wi-Fi Direct on my laptop?

Seems like you have misunderstood WiFi Direct use case. WiFi Direct is not about sharing the connection (as you wrote it), but a peer-to-peer communication without involving AP. The sad truth is that you cannot mix WiFi Direct with Station mode, which so far makes the whole idea of using WiFi Di...

wonder what this could do...

AbrahamVanHelpsing

00:26

@lazyPower well if you consider that linux wireless is a step behind other wireless and that android is a step further behind real linux...just my theory. we should all boycott everything not atheros and get ONE working wireless driver for "linux" instead of loads of half working ones

jrg

@AbrahamVanHelpsing amen

lazyPower

.... i have an atheros chipset in the netbook thats acting as my XBMC install and it works just fine on all wireless modes....

ducks

AbrahamVanHelpsing

it's an N card that supports AP mode with hardware crypto through hostapd?

lazyPower

its a G card that supports all G functions

AbrahamVanHelpsing

well there you go ;)

lazyPower

00:27

cuz that netbook is gangster

straight gangster for beign 4 years old and operating like a champ

AbrahamVanHelpsing

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Q: What purchasable wireless cards support master-mode/hostapd?

What I am looking for: links to specific purchasable cards (amazon, google shopping results, anything that will last) There is a preference for N support What I'm not looking for: Your personal ebay link Chipsets as revealed by linux-wireless "this one doesn't work" USB, PCMCIA, Expre...

just saying...crickets

George Edison

I'm back.

lazyPower

we need to build a browser addon that polls the linux hardware support lists and will embed a big red "DO NOT BUY" button over the page. or a big thumbs up, or one of those shakey looking smileys for YMMV

George Edison

I messed up my network configuration so bad that I lost my Internet connection.

lazyPower

@AbrahamVanHelpsing any insight on this potential purchase? amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST3000DM001/dp/…

AbrahamVanHelpsing

00:30

@lazyPower good idea...but i'm not sure anyone is willing to step up and say "hostapd works for me with this N card with stock drivers on 3.x kernels" there are reports that it works, but not with vanilla kernel/driver

lazyPower

looking to slap 2 of these in my NAS

AbrahamVanHelpsing

/me <3 seagate...are they still doing the no questions asked 7 year warranty?

lazyPower

its not enterprise performance, but I'll take the tradeoff in write speed for reliability.

Not after the floods, no.

I'm gambling buying storage at this point anyway

AbrahamVanHelpsing

well, i like seagate. there's a reason the USMC uses them

lazyPower

and it wasn't the FS - the logic board on this WD Green drive took a dive. Got maybe 300gb off of it before it finally went belly up

I'm going to try and RMA it, but i have read enough horror stories aobut green drives in a raid setup to know this is not a good solution.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

00:32

i've had bad luck with WD "Green" eco-friendly drives in general. I had a brand new undamaged one have smart complain the DAY i got it

lazyPower

yeah. i'm over it before i got started

it was gutted from a usb drive enclosure, so i feel less ashamed of buying it than i would have otherwise

the drive was solid for a year. I think its out of warranty but i'm going to try anyway

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i have two seagate usb encolsure drives 1 and 1.5 T ... both years old and still kicking

lazyPower

yeah my 500gb Seagate is going on 6 years at this point. still has a superbly healthy S.M.A.R.T. scan

AbrahamVanHelpsing

one makes a little noise when it spins up, but it has been dropped and taken through multiple airports multiple times...NOT a manufacturing defect

lazyPower

welp, looks like i'll be picking 2 of those up on the first then unless somethign better comes along

its times like these that I love amazon prime

AbrahamVanHelpsing

00:45

i actually sort of used to enjoy disassembling the old scrap computers and separating by part type...then testing them all yes. there is something wrong there.

later on peeps, abbreviated coma time ... i promise to stop abusing italics and ellipses eventually

lazyPower

tc @AbrahamVanHelpsing

Eliah Kagan

Have we moved to a system like Stack Overflow, where more than one approval (or rejection) is required before action is taken on a suggested edit?

Journeyman Geek

I think its 2 now

Eliah Kagan

@JourneymanGeek It used to be just 1 here.

Journeyman Geek

@EliahKagan: I mean on the 'mainline' SE platform

oops, I donno why i said still

jrg

00:55

@lazyPower yeah, i miss my netbook for that very reason. :(

lazyPower

Did you get rid of it?

jrg

might buy it off the person i gave it to... would be useful in situations like right now.

lazyPower

ah, yeah i've lent mine out a few times, but i refuse to part with it.

jrg

(the battery has since died on her, so it's a paperweight for what she does)

lazyPower

its just too handy

same - without AC cable its an expensive plastic rock

jrg

00:56

either that or come december i'll flash my cr-48.

lazyPower

and replacement battery is just as expensive as it is to replace the netbook all together.

jrg

lol yeah

lazyPower

(dumb)

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

01:35

0

Q: When does chmod fail?

Under what circumstances will chmod fail? I looked at the man page but it only specifies usage and doesn't go into details about what circumstances it won't work in. I'd assume chmod will work if: you're root you own the target file (and are setting a mundane mode bit i.e. not sticky bit, oth...

ubuntu permissions chmod access-control

Flabricorn

03:18

newstarship.com

Roland Taylor

There are hungry people in the world.

They're called developers, donate to them.

Imnotanerd

04:15

Anyone on here? I know it's late.

Well I'll tell my story, and hopefully wake up to a possible answer.

I upgraded to 12.10, and no errors on installation other than saying it wanted to install packages that were already installed. Ok, no biggie I presumed. So it says restart, and I do so. So I reboot, pass grub, see the purple screen, then goes into a black screen, which won't change.

Amith KK

appears

Awesome @Mochan

Imnotanerd

Side note, I have Intel HD 4000 graphics, and I had to upgrade the kernel to 3.3.6 to stop constant freezing due to Intel HD 4000.

Amith KK

@Imnotanerd have a live cd at hand?

Imnotanerd

Nope, came pre-installed. System76 :D

Also, I have tried changing the "quiet splash" to "nomodeset" with no luck.

Oh, I see what you're asking. Um, I can make a USB into an Ubuntu Installer, if that helps.

Amith KK

04:35

ok

please do that

:/

I now have to do a project on accepting a character and printing 10 baby names from that character using only a if loop in java

Roland Taylor

@Imnotanerd did you open a question on the site?

A.S.

05:08

hello

is it true that, questions about accessing BIOS should not be asked?

askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/41585

George Edison

We're getting closer to the commit phase!

@A.S. Do you have an e-book reader?

A.S.

No @GeorgeEdison

George Edison

Just curious.

A.S.

I've followed! just now

George Edison

Great! Please consider upvoting some of the good questions.

Amith KK

05:29

@GeorgeEdison Followed

George Edison

@AmithKK Please also vote for some of the good questions.

That helps bring us closer to the commit stage :)

@AmithKK Thanks!

A.S.

Is questions about ebook formats also allowed there?

idk. George can answer, i think

George Edison

Well... we're in the definition phase, so feel free to post it as a sample question.

Then everyone else will vote on it to decide if it will be an on-topic question for the site when it launches.

A.S.

thanks, i'll ask "Is questions about ebook formats (without having a physical ebook reader) are allowed?"

George Edison

Oh no wait.

Sorry - you misunderstood me. I meant you should ask a question that you would ask on the site if it existed.

A.S.

05:38

i'm waiting.... :)

Oh. thanks

George Edison

Don't worry - Area51 can be a bit confusing at first :)

Takkat

06:21

o/ Hi all

There goes another 100 rep down the drain :"( askubuntu.com/questions/146654/…

Achu

06:56

Morning all

What the command to check the newly created or uploaded file on server?

My unused server, the disc space increasing 2gb per day

have know idea why its increasing 2gb per day

George Edison

Sounds like a log file that's gotten out of control.

Yay! QENet (my Qt wrapper for the ENet library) received its first packet!

Mahesh

07:46

@GeorgeEdison yup that

Mochan

I'm not in much position to say this (or do anything about it) but is this a valid question? Or at least the 'second query'. I'll leave this up to you guys :P

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Q: What is the best Python Editors in ubuntu 12.04

What is the best Python Editors in Ubuntu 12.04 And another query you would benefit me learning Python

python

Mahesh

@Mochan Not Constructive

you can flag it if you wish to

Mochan

Cool. Thanks :))

@Mahesh I flagged it as low-quality. Is that OK?

Mahesh

umm.. you may say so. bit IMO, it fits best under NC since it is a list style question that can start pointless debates

Mochan

I only got two options. Low-quality and other.

IDK this is like my 3rd flag >.>

Achu

08:29

Actually it's dup

askubuntu.com/questions/60873/…

Mochan

08:41

Well, it's not a very good question overall I guess :P

Achu

Actually it's a good question for newbies :)

Mochan

08:55

@Achu Yeah. But not for this site. :P

Perhaps in a coding/Python StackExchange site or something.

Amith KK

\o @Mochan

Mochan

@AmithKK Hey Amith!

Amith KK

Aptana studio would work

Mochan

Is this statement [I have had some major problems myself with the new ubuntu 12.10, so i downgraded (clean install of the LTS).] valid? Like, it's opinionated and expressing their own problems. Perhaps I should edit out the 'I have had blahblah'?

I don't even think this is an answer:

-1

A: Ubuntu doesn`t load after update from 12.04 to 12.10

I do't know a fix, but i do recommend to just to remake an Ubuntu Live USB and reinstall, but make it an earlier version, from 10.10 - 12.04 those are nearly stable, 12.10 isn't that good.

Mahesh

09:15

@Mochan bad answer, but unflaggable

Mochan

09:33

@Mahesh Great. I can't even downvote it >.<

Evandro Silva

hey there people

Mochan

o/

Mahesh

@Mochan write it in a to do list if you re concerned. :P

Mochan

@Mahesh 3 points away :P

Mahesh

@Mochan edit this to hit the target straight. or delete it so that the question gets auto redirected

Mochan

09:38

@Mahesh delete it ;3

Is this OK?

I suggest you use Synaptic to remove your broken packages, as E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. suggests. — Mochan 36 secs ago

Mahesh

umm... it sounds ok, but lemme look at the context

Mochan

OK

Mahesh

that question was solved in second answer.

and when dealing with unmet dependencies, its better not to mess with packages unless you absolutely confidently knw what you are doing

Amith KK

10:04

Hello,

Thanks for interesting in developing Ubuntu Tweak. I decided to
continue the development again.

However, if you like to get involved in the development of Ubuntu
Tweak, I would appreciate for that.

Best Regards,
Tualatrix Chou

@Mahesh @jokerdino

Mahesh

just saw that

Mochan

Nice job, Windows, keep making it uglier.

Amith KK

@Mochan ?

Mochan

How am I supposed to even read that?!

@AmithKK Thy picture

Mahesh

:P

Amith KK

10:17

Oh, didn't you get the new Microsoft Font Reader? Its just $199.

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Mochan

@AmithKK +10000000000000000

Mahesh

I'd love to see all pirated windows machines using linux instead.

Amith KK

lol :)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mahesh

I mean, really, I hate piracy.

Journeyman Geek

10:18

is on a windows 8 system now

;p

Mochan

I hate to disappoint you, but I think that might actually be my fault now I look closer.

Amith KK

What say I convert the steel authority of India to linux?

Mahesh

bah

Journeyman Geek

@Mahesh: eh, I wouldn't have gotten half as good as I am now without it honestly

Mochan

@JourneymanGeek I abanodon you. Windows 8 user. -sneer-

Amith KK

10:19

@JourneymanGeek I second that

I used windows before linux

Journeyman Geek

@Mochan:I also have an XP and a centos box on this desk. and a ubuntu partition

Mahesh

me too

Mochan

@Mahesh Really? I wish everything was open-source. Then that would eliminate the need for pirates :))

@JourneymanGeek jks

Amith KK

@Mochan Then food must be free

Journeyman Geek

@AmithKK: recipies should be free ;p

Mochan

10:20

@AmithKK Food is free. If you grow it.

Amith KK

@Mochan no its not

you need to pay taxes for land, water, fertilizers and stuff

Mochan

@AmithKK You need to pay for everything. Like, you need a computer to run Linux.

Mahesh

I wish I could say nope to that

Amith KK

Then how will software devs get money?

Mochan

@AmithKK If everything was free, why would they need money? ;3

Mahesh

10:22

fear is the cause

Amith KK

aw I'm not winning this :P

\o/

Mahesh

fear, is the cause of aggression. fear, is the reason money exists

Mochan

@AmithKK GIVE ME A PROGRAM TO DO PROGRAMMING WITH OR I'LL EAT ALL THE FREE TOMATOES IN THE WORLD!!

Ew. I hate tomatoes.

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@Mahesh That doesn't make much sense to me :P

@AmithKK Don't worry. I'm competitive and good at arguing. Believe me, I've been practising for years!

Mahesh

It requires few hours of philosophy to explain that

Amith KK

@Mochan Not if it is on Sonic :P

Mahesh

10:28

@Mochan girls have it in their genes. so make that few millions of years. :P

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Mochan

@Mahesh +1

BTW Hi @JourneymanGeek @chenyzvariya and @devav2 :D

Who else hates tomatoes? -Like, whoever starred-

Mahesh

@Mochan write an operating system for me. from the ground up.

Mochan

@Mahesh Make me that program to do all programming first and I'll be happy to XD

I wouldn't mind making an OS though... maybe I could be the new maker of the next Linux distro :P

I'm not skilled enough, though XD

Journeyman Geek

lol

code an OS. ENTIRELY IN PYTHON!

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Amith KK

@JourneymanGeek I know a person who is doing that

Journeyman Geek

10:34

oh?

Amith KK

He's 11

Journeyman Geek

can python self host? I was under the impression the python interpreter was coded in C?

sigh I obviously wasted my childhood.

Amith KK

yeah, he was using some asm things

ObsessiveSSOℲ

@JourneymanGeek You'll need to make the python interpreter in something other than python.... Or find a python->asm compiler

Mahesh

@JourneymanGeek you are talking of CPython.

Journeyman Geek

10:35

probably

Amith KK

Damn I wasted my childhood

7

Mahesh

@ObsessiveSSOℲ kinda yup that

Journeyman Geek

@ObsessiveSSOℲ: or have a processor that does python natively

Mahesh

@JourneymanGeek YAY!!!

ObsessiveSSOℲ

Hmm. Interesting CPU. Wonder what kernel modules Ubuntu will want on that thing.

Amith KK

10:36

@JourneymanGeek Ok, i'll get to that

PyIO

Mochan

I doubt you could make a whole OS in Python. BTW was Ubuntu made with C++/C or what?

Mahesh

actually, its a bit complicated.

The kernel is Linux, written by Linus in C

Mochan

@Mahesh I mean not entirely in C++/C

@Mahesh Well yeah, I knew that would be true. But how about Ubuntu itself? :P

Mahesh

andwe have tons of supportingpackages that are each written either in C or Cpp or python or whatever else you can think of. Lu, Lisp, Perl, D, R, etc etc

I can tell you what wood each plank is, but ask me about the ship, and I'm clueless.

ObsessiveSSOℲ

Look at it this way:

Mochan

10:40

@Mahesh I was almost going to ask "What's Cpp?" then I realized: C Plus Plus. Duh

ObsessiveSSOℲ

Unity=CPP

Source packages should have language info associated with them.

Mahesh

@ObsessiveSSOℲ plus dirty cute python tools

Mochan

@ObsessiveSSOℲ Ooh~ Python and C++~

I don't really like C/C++ etc. They're scary.

It's like printf('Hello')
ERROR FSAHIGHEJSKGHBULSGDBDHBKGAUBFJABVHZBDJVBJSMEOW

Mahesh

@Mochan but if you really want to code, go learn C

Mochan

@Mahesh I'll stick with noobing, thanks C:

noobing = another word I made up

Mahesh

10:44

at times I can not think of anything else other than C when someone says programming language. maybe because i have a secret crush for it

ObsessiveSSOℲ

I'm PHP.

Journeyman Geek

Lisp machine

Lisp machines were general-purpose computers designed (usually through hardware support) to efficiently run Lisp as their main software language. In a sense, they were the first commercial single-user workstations. Despite being modest in number (perhaps 7,000 units total as of 1988), Lisp machines commercially pioneered many now-commonplace technologies – including effective garbage collection, laser printing, windowing systems, computer mice, high-resolution bit-mapped graphics, computer graphic rendering, and networking innovations like CHAOSNet. Several companies were building and s...

Mahesh

PHP is evil

Journeyman Geek

not python but its been done before

Mochan

@JourneymanGeek Wow! Awesome!

@Mahesh PHP is something unknown to me.

Journeyman Geek

10:45

(I admit it, I have a soft spot for wierd ol machines)

Amith KK

BBL

Journeyman Geek

amusingly. those things are indirectly a reason for gnu

Mahesh

I'm not greatly equipped with knowledge of history

Journeyman Geek

" There were two AI Lab people who did not get hired by either: Richard Stallman and Marvin Minsky. Stallman, however, blamed Symbolics for the decline of the hacker community that had centered around the AI lab. For two years, from 1982 to the end of 1983, Stallman worked by himself to clone the output of the Symbolics programmers, with the aim of preventing them from gaining a monopoly on the lab's computers."

from that article

truefact, I was convinced for years that marvin minsky was a myth

catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html#id3141241

Mochan

Took me ages to make -,-''

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