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Joshua Besneatte

1:02 AM

/users

Hello! I was looking for an IRC askubuntu channel and found this.... can I join this room from a chat client?

TheWanderer

@Seth can you play at all

Seth

no

@JoshuaBesneatte sadly no.

Joshua Besneatte

ok, this is better than nothing... and I guess its cool that we all have the same names here :) how is everyone?

Seth

doing alright, doing alright.

IanC

good evening!

Joshua Besneatte

1:09 AM

likewise :)

has anyone here seen this question I posted: askubuntu.com/questions/1077070/… am I losing my mind or what?

IanC

been a while I don't log in this chat, how have you guys and gals been?

Joshua Besneatte

stoked for fall weather!

Seth

yo @NathanOsman, got a minute?

TheWanderer

@Seth so we have a lot of new villagers

but literally no librarians

Seth

yay

aw

TheWanderer

1:11 AM

like

Seth

1:22 AM

lol

Joshua Besneatte

what is the emoticon for "I can tell this would be funny if I knew WTF you were talking about" ???

IanC

1:41 AM

¯\_(O.o)'_/¯

idk maybe some weird shrug haha

Joshua Besneatte

¯_(O.o)'_/¯ describes my feelings perfectly! thanks lol

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

4:17 AM

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Q: Remote process logs in local system

I have a process (for example mongod) that is running on the server and printing the logs continuously. I want these logs on my local system in real-time. How can I achieve that? Is there any tool for this? I am currently using Ubuntu and seeking guidance in Ubuntu also for the same.

Nathan Osman

5:29 AM

@Seth what's up?

Seth

@NathanOsman I had a python question, but I figured it out.

I was being an idiot.

Nathan Osman

Ah, cool.

Seth

thanks for responding though!

Nathan Osman

(The figuring out part, that is.)

Did you notice I got a new picture? :P

Seth

I did!

Saw it on GitHub first, actually.

It looks good.

Nathan Osman

5:30 AM

I don't think the exposure is high enough though.

It could stand to be a bit brighter.

Seth

It is a tad dark, true. But the detail is good.

Takkat

7:08 AM

How the times are changing... today people are complaining about an extra-long boot time of 50 seconds.

Videonauth

@Takkat yes bad, much to long ;)

remembers the times where you could make coffee and waffles while loading a game on C-64

Takkat

I remember the times when we had to first power on the computer, then switch on the coffee machine. go to the bathroom, talk to collegues, and then, eventually log in.

@Videonauth lol - Coffee always involved!

Videonauth

well loading a game on C-64 from kassette took about 30mins to 1 hour

depending on the game :P

Takkat

It was worth every minute!

Videonauth

for a game which was max 60353 bytes big

Takkat

7:15 AM

That was in the incredibly huge tens of kB range!

Videonauth

:)

but to be honest, the games back that time where far more intriguing and good, took me almost a full year to play through Gianna Sisters (no saving back in that time)

Fabby

7:44 AM

@Takkat Yes! CP/M booted in like 1 second! (Read track 0, read track 1 from the floppy disk)

Videonauth

@Fabby true that :) still coudn't bear the amber colored screens mostly delivered with CP/M systems

here they have run on 50Hz power net frequency and gave you horrible hedaches

Fabby

I bought the smallest Barco colour TV that could display 80*40 characters. That cost 1000DEM at the time and was cheaper in Germany than in Belgium, where it was made!

Videonauth

:)

Fabby

1000 DEM was like 1 month of summer job back then. (1200 DEM if you were lucky)

Videonauth

yeah

today you wouldnt be able to make this in one month

~~500 euro

Takkat

7:50 AM

The Atari ST monochrome (black and white) could do 70 Hz which was really revolutionary then.

Videonauth

yeah the amiga screen did the same

Fabby

Yup!

Videonauth

good ol times

Fabby

2

A: Did personal computers ever support 8" floppies?

This is the stone age we're talking about! Back when I was a kid and dinosaurs still roamed the Earth, I: bought a small colour TV, a keyboard, 64K of RAM, a Z80, an 6MHz crystal, a wax pen, a copper board and a second-hand 180KB single-sided 5 1/4" floppy drive had a friend that already had a...

Takkat

not really - there was no Internet

Fabby

7:51 AM

There were BBSes! and FidoNet!

Videonauth

well i enjoyed to play the games i had without the possibility to read up on solutions back then

Takkat

Line calls made you poor.

Fabby

I remember someone in the computer club saying:

Videonauth

@Takkat never heard of captain crunch then? eh?

Fabby

Hah! 2400 BAUD? No one needs 2400 BAUD! That's too fast to read the document while you're downloading it!

Videonauth

7:53 AM

yeah usually 300 baud

Fabby

1200 is just fine

Videonauth

was fairly enough

Fabby

@Videonauth That was too slow.

Videonauth

nah not really :)

but then 16400 baud modems, well that was like flying

Takkat

Isn't the Fax specs that slow until today for backwad compatibility reasons?

Videonauth

7:54 AM

used an acoustic coupler a long long time

Fabby

I remember a company upgrading from 11300 to 56000 and paying back the modems withing a year.

Videonauth

yes pretty much fax runs at 9k baud or something

Fabby

@Takkat 9600 BAUD

Takkat

no wonder :)

Fabby

I have a job interview in 1h and need to prep. Please don't ping me

Videonauth

7:56 AM

is tempted

:D

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you

Rinzwind

8:46 AM

@Fabby oh? OH? we have someone comming in 25 minutes for a job interviw

@Videonauth >:)

he should have started with the 2nd part :-P

Fabby

@Rinzwind :P :D

Rinzwind

last name is Vermeulen? >:)

Fabby

You know my first name and I know yours and I'm having an interview with Pier, not you.

@Videonauth is "Deutsch ist nur meine fünfte Sprache, also brauche ich Grammatik und Rechtschreibprüfung, um gutes Deutsch zu schreiben." correct?

o/

Videonauth

also -> deswegen

, um ein gutes ...

als, im using the old grammar and writing rules still so maybe reconfirm the second line best with @ByteCommander

Byte Commander

o/

what's up?

Fabby

8:58 AM

It's OK. This company offers German classes and I don't know if the interviewer even speaks German.

Byte Commander

if it's about "Deutsch ist nur meine fünfte Sprache, also brauche ich Grammatik und Rechtschreibprüfung, um gutes Deutsch zu schreiben.", that sentence looks fine to me.

Fabby

Pier Andrea Delise sounds more Italian than German to me/

Byte Commander

deswegen is good too, but I find "ein gutes Deutsch" sounds wrong

Fabby

@ByteCommander Danke!

Byte Commander

rather make it an adjective "um gut deutsch zu schreiben"

Videonauth

9:01 AM

@ByteCommander for me using the old writing rules the oposite sounds wrong:) so open for dabate LOL

well shows that im old

Fabby

@Videonauth I'd rather use modern German than middle German!

:D :D :D

Byte Commander

you said you have an interview in an hour an hour ago, so is it finished already or just about to start?

Videonauth

@Fabby well having used the writing style rules for 2/3 of my life then they decided to have the "Rechtschreibreform" where they changed some words and writing rules and so on for official german writing , well i call it "Schlechtschreibreform" still.

Fabby

9:35 AM

:D :D :D

@ByteCommander Just finished.

Byte Commander

\o/

Fabby

Good interview and they asked me if I was willing to move to Paris...

:-)

Byte Commander

Paris, huh? Nice.

Fabby

I told them: if you add 18% to my salary: yes, as Paris is 18% more expensive than Germany...

Byte Commander

Just don't get a car there, parking and traffic is a nightmare :D

Fabby

9:37 AM

@ByteCommander I've lived in Versailles before...

Byte Commander

~~in the king's palace?~~

Fabby

When foreigners say "Paris" they mean: "Île de France"

@ByteCommander If I opened my bathroom window, sat on the window sill and hung out of the window grabbing one of the pipes...

.. I could just see the top of the roof of the palace! ;-) :-)

Île-de-France

Île-de-France (; French: [il də fʁɑ̃s] ( listen), "Island of France"), also known as the région parisienne ("Parisian Region"), is one of the 18 regions of France and includes the city of Paris. It covers 12,012 square kilometres (4,638 square miles) and has its own regional council and president. It has a population of 12,005,077 as of January 2014, equivalent to 18.2% of the population of France.The region is made up of eight administrative departments: Paris, Essonne, Hauts-de-Seine, Seine-Saint-Denis, Seine-et-Marne, Val-de-Marne, Val-d'Oise and Yvelines. Created as the "District of the Paris...

Fabby

9:52 AM

@Videonauth I was referring to: Mittelhoghdeutsch

Implying you're a vampire and have been alive for a couple of centuries! ;-)

Videonauth

ah ok :)

@Fabby well, sometimes i feel like it lol

with my basement-tan :D

Fabby

@Videonauth :D :D :D Nah! admit it: your pale complexion comes from you sleeping in a coffin!

;-) :-)

Videonauth

not yet comrade, not yet :P

Last CV for this dupe needed.

Fabby

@Videonauth Closed!

Videonauth

thank you

cl-netbox

10:10 AM

Hello :)

Videonauth

ah well heres something uplifting:

Selfish woman refuses to let a tired soldier sit down. What happens next is priceless!

►

o/ cl-netbox

Fabby

@cl-netbox o/

Gute morgen!

cl-netbox

@Fabby Good morning my friend ! :)

@Fabby Guten Morgen ! :)

Fabby

If I land this job, I might be moving to Paris

cl-netbox

I saw some discussions about the new NVIDIA 410 drivers on the site ... please be careful with them - currently those are (untested) beta drivers. @Fabby @Terrance @Videonauth

Fabby

10:13 AM

@cl-netbox Yup, I know.

As long as they don't show up in the PPA, not installing them!!!

Videonauth

@cl-netbox well you know how fast I am when it comes to migrating to new drivers ;)

cl-netbox

@Fabby I wish you good luck (as always) ! :)

Fabby

@Videonauth :D :D :D

@cl-netbox Danke!

cl-netbox

@Fabby I switched to using the original NVIDIA drivers ... the packaged drivers in most distros (including ubuntu) are having too many issues lately. :)

@Videonauth yes indeed ... hahaha

Fabby

:46833308     $ nvidia-smi
    Fri Sep 21 12:16:59 2018
    +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
    | NVIDIA-SMI 396.54                 Driver Version: 396.54                    |
    |-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
    | GPU  Name        Persistence-M| Bus-Id        Disp.A | Volatile Uncorr. ECC |
    | Fan  Temp  Perf  Pwr:Usage/Cap|         Memory-Usage | GPU-Util  Compute M. |
    |===============================+======================+======================|

Videonauth

10:19 AM

┌─[12:16:56]─[michael@NEXUS-ONE]
└──> pictures $ nvcc --version
nvcc: NVIDIA (R) Cuda compiler driver
Copyright (c) 2005-2017 NVIDIA Corporation
Built on Fri_Nov__3_21:07:56_CDT_2017
Cuda compilation tools, release 9.1, V9.1.85
┌─[12:18:52]─[michael@NEXUS-ONE]
└──> pictures $ nvidia-smi
Fri Sep 21 12:19:00 2018
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| NVIDIA-SMI 396.54                 Driver Version: 396.54                    |
|-------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+

Videonauth

10:34 AM

@Fabby may i ask what taxes your GPU so much? i thought mine was pretty much loaded with me watching videos beside and rendering a 3d scene

Fabby

2 movies open at the same time...

Videonauth

ah

Fabby

lots of 3D-accelarated things activated on CCSM, ...

EG. "Where's my mouse" shows a circle of flames around my mouse pointer etc...

Videonauth

kk :)

well i only reach high gpu usage when gaming or running cuda tasks

Videonauth

10:50 AM

@cl-netbox maybe you know a solution? --> askubuntu.com/q/1076906

cl-netbox

@Videonauth "Also this machine has an Nvidia GTX 950M which is set as the primary display with the proprietary drivers and the Intel integrated graphics card." This might be the problem, because NVIDIA renders and intel displays (output) : xrandr --setprovideroutputsource modesetting NVIDIA-0 ... :)

Videonauth

well do not tell me tell him ;) if you know whats wrong +1 from me is guaranteed, as i had a similar thing on 16.04 but only after first install

there switching to tty and back fixed it

cl-netbox

@Videonauth no, I don't ... because that is part of what I said before - the packaged drivers are more or less messy these days. And when I suggest to install the original NVIDIA drivers (which work perfectly and are set up as intended by NVIDIA) I'm getting the full AU hate and on top many downvotes. I've got enough of that. My latest answers, though being good and correct didn't get many upvotes, the last one not even one ...

@Videonauth The other day I tried to help a user (with a comment) setting up NVIDIA Optimus and what did I receive ? A very unfriendly comment ...

Videonauth

11:09 AM

mhmmm

Takkat

30% we do here is for the black hole of eternity, 30% is only just for our own ego, 30% actually helps people, but the resting 10% saves the world.

cl-netbox

@Takkat Hi ! :) You're right ... but what I dislike most is the negativity and the unfriendliness more and more members provide.

Takkat

@cl-netbox I do too - but think of the 10% !!! It's worth it :)

cl-netbox

@Takkat sure thing ... that's why I still try to help from time to time :)

Videonauth

well, people asking are in many cases under pressure by the situation they are in with their system

Takkat

11:17 AM

cl: It says ~2.7m people reached, just imagine this crowd!!!

cl-netbox

@Videonauth especially then they should be friendly - or not ? :)

Takkat

HELP me at once or I tell your mom or I may even get back to Windows.

Videonauth

@cl-netbox yes but i can only reflect myself i try to be friendly in most of the time, but when im under stress i can act weird too

cl-netbox

@Takkat hahaha ... thanks for your motivational words :)

Videonauth

@Takkat KTHXBYE ;)

however tho this guy i posted a link to the question asked nicely and reacted positive otherwise i would not have asked if you have a clue

cl-netbox

11:22 AM

@Videonauth I'm not speaking of users with problems only - I mainly mean many experienced (long-time) members ...

Videonauth

yeah i have some i have my quarrels with too ;) thats normal

but this will not stop me from answering if i can

Takkat

I can get grumpy too, I can tell you!

(but not here actually)

Videonauth

not naming them anyways i just ignore them as much as possible and don't let then undermine my self confidence

thats the important thing

cl-netbox

@Videonauth I know ... the thing is he tries to use the NVIDIA card for display instead of the intel card ... but I can be wrong of course. People are trying the weirdest things when it comes to graphics ... :D

Videonauth

and this --> askubuntu.com/users/522934/videonauth?tab=badges should speak for itself

Takkat

11:25 AM

~2.2m people reached - \o/

Videonauth

Member for 2 years, 6 months
4,276 profile views
Last seen 11 mins ago
visited 722 days, 132 consecutive

cl-netbox

@Videonauth I do the same, but don't forget that I (need to) spend a lot of time helping members of the official redhat community. Also, there my assistance is much appreciated ... you should read the responses, you won't believe what you would see ... nearly all extremely kind and fiendly. :)

Videonauth

I've seen worse kind of people as here already :) spending 2 years as voluntary community helper on second life

cl-netbox

@Videonauth that is true of course ! :)

Rinzwind

11:51 AM

@Videonauth tsk

visited 2700 days, 1845 consecutive

@Videonauth :+)

cl-netbox

@Rinzwind You are the greatest Rinzy ! :)

Rinzwind

and I can guarantee that I was on here 2700 days. stupid server crashed killed my streak

BOXY!

Videonauth

12:02 PM

@Rinzwind wel in how many years? ;)

Takkat

So true @Ri why should anybody not be here on each and every day.

Videonauth

just fiddling around with steam proton

Fabby

@Videonauth I misread that as "fiddling around with a proton stream"

Huh? We have en evil scientist here in this room? and then: "Aaah..."

:D :D :D

Videonauth

:D

yeah i played the evil sientist back in the day in the game 'Day of the tentacle'

@Fabby google.com/…

Rinzwind

@Videonauth 7y4m :=)

Videonauth

12:10 PM

@Rinzwind not bad, well i was here 722 days out of 912 possible days in the time i signed up here

@Fabby github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton

Terrance

1:33 PM

@cl-netbox Normally I would tend to agree with you about it being BETA, but NVIDIA themselves no longer lists them as BETA: geforce.com/drivers/results/138279

Terrance

1:47 PM

@cl-netbox Well, let me take that back, I understand not fully tested with Ubuntu yet. But from my observations here of my installation, they seem pretty rock solid, and my apps sure seem to like them. =)

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

2:05 PM

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Q: Windows 10 + Ubuntu 18.04 + LUKS dualboot problems

I am trying to achieve dualboot of Windows 10 (pre-installed) and Ubuntu 18.04 on a new laptop. This is not very difficult, however it appears to get much more complex if you also want LUKS full-disk encryption, which asks the passphrase during boot to decrypt and use hardware acceleration for bo...

ubuntu windows dual-boot luks initrd

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

2:21 PM

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Q: Switch from KVM bridge to openvswitch for multiple vlan configuration

I want to replace my existing KVM bridge setup with Openvswitch, as we are facing performance issue when there is heavy traffic on the server. My existing KVM setup consisting of multiple KVM Host servers with Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04. On each host machine we have two NICS example eth0 and eth1. T...

linux ubuntu networking virtual-machine kvm

TheWanderer

guys is there a way to figure out why Ubuntu keeps just shutting down my laptop?

it looks like it thinks it's hitting critical temps

but idk for sure that's what's happening

Rinzwind

if it is heat it will be logged in /var/log

check the last changed log files and have a look for CRITICAL notices

TheWanderer

2:38 PM

just some things about throttling the CPU

cl-netbox

@Terrance Hi Terrance ! :) Then they changed it in the last few hours. This morning I checked the status and they were still flagged beta ... but what about that -> devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/533434/linux/… ? urrent beta release: 410.57 (x86_64)

Fabby

@TheWanderer Install psensor and keep an eye on the temp.

Terrance

@cl-netbox Hey there! =) Ah, I see they have 410.57 in beta. The interesting thing is, when I use the repo from NVIDIA now instead of the graphics-drivers ppa, I always get a driver that is not shown as to be in the current beta release. Come to think of it, I have not installed my driver from the graphics-drivers ppa for a long time, except for when Ubuntu 18.04.1 finally went live for upgrade.

I am currently using 410.48

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

2:54 PM

0

Q: Package system broken

I'm using Ubuntu 18.04.1 and I have problems with nvidia drivers. Today I boot up my computer and I see that my resolution is weird. So I opened the terminal and tried to update drivers. sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver-390 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading ...

linux ubuntu drivers nvidia

Joshua Besneatte

what is the nvidia repo url? I have been using the graphics-drivers PPA.... should I try the one @Terrance is speaking of????

Terrance

@JoshuaBesneatte The one I am talking about is here: askubuntu.com/questions/1077061/…

Joshua Besneatte

thanks!

cl-netbox

@Terrance I found it ... only when you check for RTX there is no beta flag ... when you check for GTX there is the beta flag. :)

Terrance

@cl-netbox Care to share?

cl-netbox

2:56 PM

@Terrance 410.48 is in the cuda toolkit

Joshua Besneatte

what are the advantages of switching to cuda?

cl-netbox

@JoshuaBesneatte switching ?

Terrance

@JoshuaBesneatte It's addition to.

Joshua Besneatte

I am using nvida 390... 396 breaks my system...

cl-netbox

Terrance

2:58 PM

@cl-netbox Hmmm, interesting. I have actually had better success though using them from NVIDIA's repo, even if they claim beta.

cl-netbox

@JoshuaBesneatte Try to install the original drivers.

Terrance

@cl-netbox But then again, I have been running with CUDA installed for applications now that I am starting to use that will use it. Blender is one example. =)

cl-netbox

Terrance

Interesting that they list is as BETA one way and not the other for the 410.57 driver

Joshua Besneatte

forgive my ignorance... reading about CUDA now...

cl-netbox

3:02 PM

@Terrance marketing ... :)

Terrance

@cl-netbox I can see that. =)

cl-netbox

@JoshuaBesneatte you don't need cuda ... first get the drivers working

Joshua Besneatte

my system works great actually... discussion here just piqued my curiosity ;)

I don't need CUDA, but I am glad I know what it is now :)

cl-netbox

@JoshuaBesneatte okay :)

Terrance

Nice, from that same repo, you can just install the NVIDIA 410 drivers without CUDA. Still works. =)

cl-netbox

3:14 PM

@Terrance from which repo ?

Terrance

@cl-netbox developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu1804/…

cl-netbox

@Terrance but that should give you 410.48 - right ?

Terrance

@cl-netbox Yes, that is correct.

Eventually they do catch up in that repo

cl-netbox

@Terrance no ... these drivers stay until a new cuda toolkit gets released ... they assume that you install the drivers using the .run file

Terrance

@cl-netbox In all honesty, it doesn't matter to me at least since the drivers have held very stable to me and I have not had issues with them since I started using them from the developers site.

Also, a lot of people just want something that works and they don't want to mess around with it all the time, and that is a huge reason I stick with LTS releases.

cl-netbox

3:23 PM

@Terrance Here is the proven to work (perfectly) method for the original drivers installation (just in case you wanna try it out) on notebooks with hybrid graphics (Optimus) on a fedora system ->

sudo dnf install kernel-devel dkms libglvnd-devel libva-utils libva-vdpau-driver vdpauinfo

sudo nano /etc/default/grub
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=nouveau nvidia-drm.modeset=1"

sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau.conf

blacklist nouveau
options nouveau modeset=0

@Terrance yes, that's the most important thing of course :)

Terrance

@cl-netbox With my experience, I can't go with the word proven as that really doesn't exist. My co-worker has set me on my way with that one by finding flaws in things I do. So far though, for me and others that have tried it, this has worked. This really is a matter of opinion and using what actually works for you. No offense, but I an not in the mood to reinvent the wheel right now.

cl-netbox

@Terrance no problem Terrance ... you don't have to. And what you say about "proven" : you're right ! :) Just wanted to show it to you because you use redhat systems too. :)

Terrance

@cl-netbox Indeed I do that! =)

I am going to be late to work. Gotta run here! Chat later! =)

cl-netbox

@Terrance Bye :) See you ...

TheWanderer

8:35 PM

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

9:56 PM

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Q: Get the path of song playing in vlc using python script

I am trying to get the path of song playing in VLC using python script. I have already find out the Process ID of vlc using pgrep -x vlc I don't know how to get the path of song playing?

shell-script ubuntu scripting file-descriptors vlc

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

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Q: Is a "cup" on a coffee maker always 6 oz? Is this a standard in the US?

Our coffee maker instructions often refer to a "cup" of coffee. These cups are whats marked on the side of the coffee maker showing how much water is in the reservoir. The instructions never define what a "cup" actually equates to. It appears to about 6 oz. An old coffee maker seems to also have ...

coffee measurements

This.Is.Infuriating ---^

@ThomasWard I approve this message

@Seth Nah, Linus is just getting wiser and more mature, and the kernel only will get better from that

Seth

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I hope so.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Meanwhile, I'd like to use an immature moment: Why in the world does apple make mouses that do left click EVEN IF YOU PRESS ON . THE RIGHT BUTTON ? You have to hold Ctrl+mouse click to actually get right click functionality

Seth

Apple Knows Best™

2

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

10:13 PM

OK. Back to cup sizes . . . I'm tempted to go with 8 but then again Mr. Coffee uses 6 oz.

Journeyman Geek

10:44 PM

"Back to cup sizes" Not quite what I expected ;)

Also according to google there's 3 different standards for cups ._.

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy also apple only has one mouse button ;)

Videonauth

this cup, that cup, whatever! :P my coffee mug is anyways larger as 8 oz ;)

450 ml to be exact

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@JourneymanGeek Yep, the other type of cup sizes are probably far more interesting of a topic. However, I'm building a coffee maker for my senior project, so I have to know the volume to actually define all the necessary requirements for project documentation

Journeyman Geek

(US Legal, US and UK)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Maybe World Peace will happen when we all agree on the same measurement units

Journeyman Geek

I thought a cup was always 250ml....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cup_(unit) apparently its a metric cup

also says "A customary "cup" of coffee in the U.S. is usually defined as 4 fluid ounces,[citation needed] brewed using 5 fluid ounces of water." but citation needed

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

10:53 PM

First rule of system engineering: if it's not in writing - it doesn't exist. "Customary" isn't really written anywhere formal, so . . . it's not really a standard

Ship . . . I'm out of time. Alright, bye guys !

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