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@MarcoCeppi which reminds me, I need to either delete an account or merge two accounts on stackoverflow
@ajmitch Let me know and I'll have the right people do it for you
@MarcoCeppi score! by very strange coincidence I had that exact problem just two days ago
it is going to be tough to vote, so many great nominations...
@MarcoCeppi I'm not tied to either of them, since I haven't answered/asked any questions on them
infact there is only one that I don't recognize...
if i delete my ubuntu (broken) partition, reinstall Ubuntu. and leave windows as it. Ubuntu will install a new GRUB, correct?
@TheX yeah, it will recognise Windows and all will be well
grub is completely brilliant
@MarcoCeppi is the irony in the fact that windows is running in a VM inside of UBUNTU?
@TheX No, it's to showcase the bug that's left in IE-7 for apt.u.com
look again
20:04
@MarcoCeppi Aha IE7 is a strange beast...
I don't see it?
it's a mac
oh...
I do see the bug however...
@fluteflute I think it's because of the <span class="break"> I don't think you can clear: both in IE-7 on non "block" dom items
I might replace that with a br, div, or a p to see if that fixes it
IE7 is horrible about rendering CSS, upgrade to IE8 :P
20:05
@TheX It's not for me. :P
Try visiting the website I maintain with IE7 (flautissimo.com)
I love flutes...
This explains fluteflute :P
okay gonna restart
me too :)
what type of flute do you play @fluteflute?
20:09
@StefanoPalazzo mostly a standard "C" flute, but a bit of bass flute in that ensemble (and ever so occasionally some piccolo)
I also started playing bassoon recently :D
oh awesome
@StefanoPalazzo or did you mean make of flute?
No, I'm not that knowledgeable about flutes.
But the bassoon is probably my favourite instrument of them all (apart from the piano)
20:11
@MarcoCeppi It would have be so much harder for you if I was a girl...
My picture on here was actually taken on the train on the way to the International Flute Convention ;)
Nice! I figured you weren't the one in the front row, or the gentlemen in the back row second from the left.
@StefanoPalazzo bassoon is a lot of fun (although tiring)
I wanted to learn the bassoon, someone told me I should try it out before buying one because not everybody has the lungs for it
maybe I'll buy a childs bassoon if I come into some money
@MarcoCeppi It's a good way to meet girls ;)
@StefanoPalazzo Bassoons are ever so expensive! (I loan mine from the local council. Will probably have to give it up in a year and a half)
What! I can't watch the video of you perfoming Blue Train :-(
20:15
@StefanoPalazzo Yeah they do require a lot of breath and stamina.
Ah that is a "known issue" (it is uploaded to someone else's fb and I can't change the privacy settings) - scroll down the page and watch the old version instead
Can't find it. There are two and both require me to log into facebook
@StefanoPalazzo Oh yeah they're both fb ones :(
Sometime I should try and work out how to download from fb, and upload to youtube
please do, Blue Train is about my favourite song of all time
@StefanoPalazzo as written for flute? I'm sure several songs called blue song have been written :P
I can imagine that song working very well for flutes
and from the other videos, I deduce that you're very good indeed. so it's bound to be a winner
20:23
@StefanoPalazzo you're very kind :)
Convince the council to sponsor a bunch of microphones and some recording gear
youtube.com/watch?v=Dmu5hNntE9Y <-- that's the same Blue Train that we play for flute choir
I love conductors
I'm such a philistine, I though you were talking about the Coltrane piece
20:27
@StefanoPalazzo This one?
@MarcoCeppi conductors are great indeed
I rather like this sound. Going to need to get this album
@StefanoPalazzo philistine is a bit harsh :P
I could totally program to this "jazz" (PUN!)
20:28
@StefanoPalazzo we did record an album at our 25th anniversary (although I couldn't make it in the end because of jet lag...)
It would be nice to have some more videos though
I can totally imagine you playing the trumpet solo in coltrane's blue train
20:52
I think i might have a problem...
@TheX I've had the same thing. Install all your drivers and everything, then select Ambience (that's the dark one right?) and it should work okay
@TheX What happened to your theme!
that's on Natty alpha 2 right?
are you on an ssd?
@StefanoPalazzo I installed my driver, restarted and now all I have is a black screen
@StefanoPalazzo yeah natty
21:00
@JorgeCastro I am, how does that make a difference?
that's on real hardware or in a vm @thex?
@StefanoPalazzo it is the real deal
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Q: Desktop forgets theme?

Marcelo CantosI am running Ubuntu in VirtualBox (on a Windows 7 host). Several times now, the top-level menu bar, the task bar — and seemingly every system dialog — have forgotten the out-of-the-box "Ambiance" theme they conform to when I first installed the system. Window captions still preserve the theme, bu...

dang, too slow!
21:02
interesting!
it's a bug
is that for me, because that is not going to help my black screen issue
your screenshot doesn't look black
it looks like that bug
aka "windows 95 theme"
no @TheX, i was just wondering how something like that could be caused by having an SSD
oh...
@JorgeCastro that screenshot was before installed my drivers and restarted
after i restarted now I have a black screen...
21:04
what graphics card do you have in this machine?
umm some nvidia integrated thingy....
oh
nvidia won't work with A2
Xorg transition
you need to use nouveau or whatever
I love how @JorgeCastro is just like
22 secs ago, by Jorge Castro
oh
NVIDIA® GeForce® 8200 graphics solution
you're probably doomed though
yeah
nvidia drivers don't work in natty right now
21:06
that sucks
the "windows 95 theme" bug of gnome-settings-daemon dying & not setting the gtk+ theme properly?
@MarcoCeppi is it bad that I say "oh"?
@JorgeCastro No, it was just comical to me
@MarcoCeppi "works with PC files, printers, cameras and MP3 players" (Located in apps/package/process.php:38)
Dammit! I had some server files! I guess they won't work.
@JorgeCastro I see
21:09
Bummer it's not so obvious
you'd think we'd at least make it so you couldn't install it
@badp You mean this:
While translating I happened to see the string [Ubuntu] "works with PC files, printers, cameras and MP3 players". (It appears on the Web page we land while using Google Chrome.) I can't get it well what "PC files" mean. Do we mean the files specific to that other OS such as .doc files? Or something else? If we are using Ubuntu on a PC, the files it works with are PC files and this is very natural... Am I wrong? Would it be better to express it in some other way or not?
AptUrlRedirector
Low / Won't Fix
@JorgeCastro you would think....
@badp Oh, you're making a funny :P It's actually (as MPT points out) taken from the Ubuntu homepage
it was posted on the -devel mailing list though
there is a mailing list?
There are a few mailing lists, IRC channels & various other places that things get done
whew, today i've installed 7.04, 7.10, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10, 10.04, 10.10, and am now doing an upgrade 9.10 -> 10.04 -> 11.04. that's only fun with an OS that installs as fast as ubuntu. :-)
@htorque why not via 10.10?
@MarcoCeppi I was being funny, but I also don't know how I'd translate it
21:19
@badp heh, yeah it is a difficult phrase to take on.
@htorque any actual reason for doing so? :)
@fluteflute i tried to do 9.10 -> 11.04 but that failed, so i ran update-manager -d which told me to do 10.04 first
@MarcoCeppi actually "free" is harder to translate
@ajmitch yeah, i'm checking if i'm the reason for a bug or and old ubuntu :D
(Italian has two different words for "free as in beer" and "free as in speech", so it's not clear how to simply match "free" when it means both)
21:34
I think free and libre is the common thing
in Chat feedback, 31 mins ago, by ændrük
Are others experiencing this phenomenon of the chat history jumping to the very top and then scrolling back down to the bottom again every time a new message appears?
sometimes, yeah
22:21
can i ask someone to help me with this? askubuntu.com/questions/24681/…
@Totty when you say "it never ends", you mean the installation is unusably slow all the time, or do you mean that it's stuck in some sort of loop somewhere?
i dont know if is stuck or not, but it doesnt read the usb... and it doesnt continue. I know it should end in about a hour. the last time I tried it taked 5 hours only to get to 2 or 3th step in the installation...
i even tried different linux installations and almost all are slow
It might be that the USB drive is running at usb 1.1 speed, did you try different usb sockets?
22:26
yes
Ah anyway, it looks like the device is recognized correctly from the first picture
i have 2 on motherboard and one is with a wire, so I used the motherboard
I presume you don't have the option of using a CD? (you can install the normal ubuntu desktop edition, and install the netbook interface from within that)
did the iso pass md5?
maybe the image is bad?
I can try to pass, but I already downloaded 2-3 times..
and the same..
the cd options is not available for me..
ca someone explain to me what those errors means?
22:31
I only see one error, but there's quite a lot of text to sift through
looks like you either need to pass an argument to the installer
@Jorge: only after several time, or hours..
if i boot without usb I get: error loading operating sistem
or maybe some bios setting
hello...
I have given up on natty...
installing 10.10...
or some flag to pass to the installer
22:34
like your new picture @TheX
@StefanoPalazzo thanks
@Totty are you sure your USB supports booting?
yes
I have a few USB drives that do not and that is the exact error I get
it wouldn't boot at all otherwise, would it?
@StefanoPalazzo... it would it would just give you an error
22:35
no boot without usb..
@Totty what ver. of Ubuntu?
@Totty Do you have another USB drive to try with?
but if I get to the installation window after several hours means that usb boot works, as I can also define in the bios
10.10 remix
it might also be corrupted (they are a bit brittle)
22:36
perhaps there is something wrong with your remix?
right now no, i can try later. i also formated the usb. how can I see if the usb is corrupted or not?
run a dsk chk on it
i can try something, boot from another pc and see if works!
fsck you mean :)
wait a second
22:37
yeah try that
@StefanoPalazzo sorry... still living in a windows world :P
good idea
thanks, i come back soon
;)
@TheX We do have better names for these things (:
I won't ask
22:40
it works in the other pc!!!
ohh
@Totty then I would say it is the PC...
try a different USB port?
other ideas?
bios changes?
or maybe the PC doesn't like that particular USB drive... I have seen that before too...
brb gotta restart
@Totty when the little pictogram of the man and the keyboard shows up, press Escape, you can then hit (F6 I think it is), and select "Disable ACPI" (and anything that sounds vaguely similar, for good measure)
There may also be some related settings in the BIOS, but I don't know much about that
i dont find the acpi
i reset the bios settings
lets see!
22:46
@StefanoPalazzo doesn't Ubuntu support ACPI by decault?
There should be a bunch of hints at the bottom, like "F6 Other Options", hit F6 (or whatever it is) and then you can hit the space bar to enable any one of the options you're presented with
@TheX, yeah; I'm suggesting to disable it (for no good reason other than that it's worked for me in the past, when I installed ubuntu on old or strange hardware)
i only have "f2" option
now it's different the installation
@StefanoPalazzo I see
text for a couple of seconds and now blackscreen xD
lol
22:48
@Totty what if you used a regular Ubuntu? Does it work?
this was what I was talking about
should look similar to it
(the screen shot is a bit old)
ahm , i didnt get to that screen yet
or maybe the alternative installer
now im stuck to the blackscreen...
@Totty you see you get a couple of seconds to act when the little picture of a man and a keyboard shows up at the bottom of the screen, like in the second image in your question
22:49
i will try another version
do that, it does't matter which version of ubuntu you install, you can always change it afterwards
@Totty just throwing out some ideas....
hardware problems are really hard to diagnose remotely...
@StefanoPalazzo lol yeah
now is reading the usb.. but still blackscreen
22:52
@Totty what kind of PC?
a notice, i've already have had linux on this pc.. from manufacture
do you have a cd drive?
is a insys gameforce
have you tried that?
i have cd
i dont have a cd writter
is broken
22:53
ahh
:s
gotta restart brb
I'm all out of ideas
i will make some changes in the bios and then try "f6" in the man image
yay i am 3D
22:55
wow!
worked!
You are?
try to touch your elbow!
hah
wait!
what worked?
22:55
showed up the language menu
showed up the language selection
@TheX: Your Gravatar.... what happened?
ahh
i think it passed too fast in that man image
I installed my 3D drivers
but when I installed Ubuntu, for my name...
now i get to the main menu!
22:57
I spelt it wrong .
run netbook remix from usb
install to a hard disk
you can press Shift+Return for a carriage return in the message window here :-)
acpi is off
ok, sorry (:
I can't believe that
the blackscreen is back! ughhh
22:59
@TheX you can change your user details by going to System → Administration → Users and Groups
can i change my computer name?
what a shitty pc i have;
oh my virgin eyes .
@Totty try disabling a few other things in the F6 menu thing as well. And give the black screen like 8 minutes (usb is quite slow)
ok, as the last pc done all this in less than 1 min
23:01
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Q: Rename computer name

WolfyHello, I'm noot sure if my title is corect... corect me if I'm wrong :) When I connect to my server (ubuntu server 10.10), I get this: [email protected] ~> How can I remove ".belkin"?

@StefanoPalazzo thanks
@Totty I had the black screen thing, even asked about it here
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Q: Ubuntu USB startup disk doesn't boot

Stefano PalazzoI've been wanting to try out Kubuntu and Kubuntu Mobile Phone Preview, so i've created a usb startup disk (two rather) as usual. But it doesn't boot: These are the kernel messages I get. At the time this picture is taken (maybe half a second after it's started booting), the system is utterly l...

so is normal, right?
in the boot settings anything to add or remove?
@StefanoPalazzo I am guessing that the changes won't take effect till I reboot?
@TheX I couldn't say, but I guess you're right yes
@Totty do what Oli recommends in his answer,
> At the menu there should be an option to edit the boot settings. Just wang acpi=off and noapic on the end. You might only need one or the other.. But I can't see it hurting to try both at once.
23:05
i only diseabled the acpi
> In addition to displaying a popup menu, the F6 key also activates in-line editing of the boot command. Pressing F6 brings up the popup menu. Pressing ESC, whether selections were made or not, removes the popup window but opens the boot command for editing.
> The phrase "Boot Options" is fixed on the left side of the screen. The command scrolls off to the left to leave the right end available for appending. The user may add additional inputs after the "-- ". Allow one space between each additional input.
i will wait and make you know what's going on, when something on screen appears
ok, thanks
So you do that, and make the changes suggested by Oli. Let us know if that works
someone told me to take out the memory card..
after i wait 10 min on black screen
i will try without mmc and with the new options
anyone know why I am getting this error?
23:09
Oh hang on, this is an MMC you're booting from, not a USB stick?
jhbuild build
jhbuild: could not load config file, /home/joshu/.jhbuildrc is missing
@TheX did you change the location of your home directory?
no...
I don't think...
oh wait...
let me try something
what exactly are you trying to do?
install gnome 3
23:12
oh, don't ask me (:
hmm
no, is installing from a usb stick but someone in a answer told to remove the mmc, might have incompatibility
still blackscreen
but the usb stick is in use...
As I say, the black screen isn't unusual, give it a few minutes
but not too long (:
It shouldn't take more than five minutes for something to appear on the screen
now, im back at the boot options
this ends in ..."initrd.lz splash --" i need to alter something here?
Since your problem is now a different one, maybe you should delete your first question and ask another one
oh yes that was what I was talking about before
append "acpi=off noapic" (without the quotes) to it
23:20
ok
it can be a graphics issue?
not sure
do you have any reason to suspect it may be one?
no
is still black now..
Even with "acpi=off" and "noapic"?
23:37
yes
huh
Well again, ask another question about this. It's a different problem now;
and the thousands of people here might have more ideas than me (:
make sure to include all of the things you tried
is something strange
the lcd is not black, is diseabled!
23:49
@Totty did you try "noapic" too?
and both at the same time
(your question doesn't say)
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Q: 2011 Moderator Election - Town Hall Chat

Rebecca ChernoffIn connection with the moderator elections, we will be holding a Town Hall Chat session with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is completely voluntary. I am working with the can...

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@RebeccaChernoff if you weren't a community manager I would accuse you of spamming the chat room :-P
lol
@MarcoCeppi will be happy (:
@RebeccaChernoff will you note when you sent the emails? (i get a lot of spam, would hate to have to watch it over the next few days)
23:55
I'm working on the email now - it'll go out shortly. I can let you know in here when it is sent if you want.
@Rebecca No that's fine, I though it'd take longer. Thanks :)
how long do the rooms live before they are frozen?
@TheX 15 days IIRC
ahh
who wrote the program that integrates desktop noticfications with notify-osd?
@MarcoCeppi you should leave that ASP.net room :)
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