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@Sid Any user can propose an edit now. Users over 2k can approve these edits
So it takes the pressure off 2k+ users to make all the edits
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@MarcoCeppi Kewl!! :)
Oh yeah, I approved one 4 days earlier.
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18:16
@MarcoCeppi If a question has been asked (by a person A) and there haven't been any answers posted, what must a person B do if he needs the answer to that question?
@Sid We can "Back merge" or "back close" questions. So if you can state the question in a better format than Person A and get viable results we'll just close the older one as a duplicate of the newer one
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@MarcoCeppi All righty. Can questions like this be asked in meta?
(after rewording)
@Sid I don't see why not
This is why I LOVE Git.
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I DOZ LUVs GIT TWO...
18:48
@fluteflute thank you for your nice comment :)
@StefanoPalazzo my pleasure :)
I guess I need to work a bit harder on my nomination post. It's not exactly the kings speech :P
UGH
What can Ubuntu do that Windows can't? http://ur.ly/CFmK #windows
Why was that tweeted.
@StefanoPalazzo the standard seems very high at the moment
@MarcoCeppi I'd have thought it would make more sense for answered questions to be tweeted
It was probably tweeted due to the high activity
though maybe the threshold should be set to not be so sensitive
18:57
@fluteflute yeah indeed. And I've never been very good at this sort of thing
@StefanoPalazzo It would be interesting to read the winning "adverts" from other SE sites
19:11
@MarcoCeppi so is the edit feature in production, like, we can go ahead and tell people?
@JorgeCastro Yeah it's been out for a little less than a week now
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Q: What is the wrapper class equivalent of the char primitive datatype?

amaliaWhat is the wrapper class equivalent of the char primitive datatype? Unicode Char Character String

make it go away!
;-)
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Q: Design bug in Editing Review, Notifications don't disappear

Stefano PalazzoUnfortunately, I've foolishly closed the tab before I thought to take a screen shot. I saw a link beneath a question, edit (1), and clicked on it. A notification popped up saying something like that the edit has already been approved. This notification didn't disappear, clicking the link again ...

Worst bug report ever (:
@JorgeCastro I don't think that's a real question, it would be closed on SO as well
19:19
@JorgeCastro yes
@StefanoPalazzo agree
Is there a language that has mock classes for primitive types?
@JorgeCastro Re. edit feature -- I saw it mentioned on the unofficial 'new features' thread in meta.SO as well
you should see an edit button under posts
Yeah, I've used it a couple times now. Very cool.
19:32
@StefanoPalazzo uhm, java?
There are too many good people in the moderator nomination phase already. I guess it's ok -- I'll just vote for whomever appears most often in chat. ;)
on thing's for sure: no kitten, no vote.
:D
It is a shame about the invisible kitten....
Not my favorite color.
@jgbelacqua We'll I have the most messages in this chat room with 9,400 :)
@MarcoCeppi Ok, marco's looking good.
@MarcoCeppi You got the wrong shear/sheer in your nomination verbiage, though.
@MarcoCeppi but it was right before the part where you said you weren't perfect, so you're good.
19:36
Luckily these are editable!
Ha
since we have a couple of coders around -- is it OK to ask pygtk/glade newbie questions on this site? Or should I really do that at SO?
@jgbelacqua We haven't really taken a stance on programming questions. I've kind of taken them as "If it's a language or code for Ubuntu than it's fair game since this is for Users and Developers" but a meta post about what coding is on topic is probably the best.
Gets right on that
Cool. I was figuring if I focused it towards quickly , it should make it more ubuntu-ish.
I expect you would get better support on SO due to the sheer size of numbers
Yeah, plus more anonymity for dumb questions.
19:40
True, but at the same time these are all Ubuntu users and developers so you might get better targeted support here. It's really where you think you'd get the best support
@MarcoCeppi Right. We have a good vibe going here.
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@MarcoCeppi: Typo: "I am ALWAYS acting on behalf __ the community."
I don't think I'm going to use the word "vibe" in print any more.
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I know on whom I'll spend my three votes, but choosing the order is darn difficult!
Although I have a co-worker that drives a pontiac vibe, so I guess that's OK.
19:47
@Sid Yikes! My lack of proof-reading and poor understanding of the english language rears its head again!
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@jgbelacqua vibe vibe vibe vibe vibe :P
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@MarcoCeppi I agree with the proof-reading part. :)
We need a suggest edits function for nomination blurbs!
That could be awesome if we didn't like the person.
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19:49
@jgbelacqua You're evil! >:-)
total users: 9,935
70 more!
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w00t!
what'll that take, a couple days?
@jgbelacqua At this rate, by tomorrow
19:51
Cool. Don't have to resort to sockpuppet clone army plan B then.
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I had misunderestimated the potential of Ask Ubuntu!
@DoR @jgbelacqua goso.com/cQRF5
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@MarcoCeppi EAR RAPE
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That sounds WEIRD!
19:55
That's how you pronounce Vibe.
Ok, that is awesome.
So AU is just pulling ahead of gaming now?
90% answered doesn't seem bad when you compare it to, e.g., serverfault
19:59
You overtook Gaming a week ago or so
We beat every one of the SE 2.0 sites in all metric-able aspects except Programmers in Answers and Users.
...you never should have been behind Gaming to begin with!
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Gamers are busy gaming. :P
So next step is to get into the top 3, right? :)
@MarcoCeppi not in percentage answered unfortunately
20:01
and Games don't plan sporting an "ask question" button either :)
@fluteflute Ah, forgot that metric
We're only 85K views/day from Serverfault. We're SO close to beating them out!
Just wait until Natty hits in April :)
unregistered users are uncool - let's celebrate the real 10k! :P
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Yeah! And the 101-reputation-for-life users.
you can link to that in your GCC answer
it'll help explain the process to the guy
having gcc-4.5 in backports wouldn't mean recompiling everything though
you can have it without it being the default compiler
20:05
right
I am looking for a PPA now
I could get into this site: codereview.stackexchange.com
wow, 100 pages of 1 rep users - so we got like 5,000 active users - don't trust stats you didn't fake yourself :P
yeesh.
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@htorque ...and pages of 101 rep users. :)
@JorgeCastro thanks I will do so
20:07
yeah, we are probably just 1,000 active users - the cake is a lie!
You think that all of those stackoverflow useeers are active?//// :)
the rep spread is listed on the right
only 3 10k+ users?
@fluteflute standard disclaimers apply, etc.
and don't forget to link up the PPa instructions!
20:12
"If it breaks your system, you get to keep the pieces"
@ajmitch yeah, leeping in mind we're still young for a site
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@ajmitch How's New Zealand, mate? Any effects of Yasi?
IMO once a user hits 3k it's good enough to vote to close and effectively moderate the mass of questions
for the rest we can just flag em up
@Sid we're a few thousand km from Australia :)
@JorgeCastro that ppa looks like it may change the default compiler
oh dang, I didn't see the -defaults package
20:14
@Sid we're generally spared the effects of cyclones on queensland, thankfully
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@ajmitch Good! Satellite images looked scary!
just a bit
I've got some family in Cairns, so they probably had a rough night :)
@ajmitch the guy can probably snag binutils and the gcc4.5 package manually though right?
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I know! I had a rough night on December 26, 2004: tsunami hit India.
@JorgeCastro yeah, though the gcc-4.5 source package builds quite a lot of separate binary packages
@Sid ouch, I had a friend who was visiting family in sri lanka at the time, we were a bit worried about him until we heard from him
20:17
so am I suggesting that ppa or not? :P
Changing the default compiler also shouldn't require recompiling stuff :)
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G'day y'all.
since there shouldn't be an ABI change, and it'd mean that they'd get gcc-4.5 for compiling without having to set CC, et :)
@ajmitch anything I need to change?
actually I'll make it community wiki
20:20
wait!
let's try the new submit edit thing!
too late I'm afraid :P
it shouldn't be CW
@ajmitch why?
Don't there need to be some actual reasons for being community wiki? :)
Too late now, anyway
I set it as CW because I didn't want to gain rep from it because it wasn't really all my work - plus it let everyone edit it :)
20:23
not really, it just basically means "let me lower the bar so people can edit it"
(I have to saw I'm not a huge CW fan though)
making /questions/ CW are the worthless ones. :)
@JorgeCastro But @fluteflute won't get rep for that answer.
@JorgeCastro yeah
@MarcoCeppi yeah, his fault for going too early. :)
20:26
we just provided moral support
@htorque you can edit my posts you know (:
That normalisation thing was indeed a typo, but I'm afraid to change it now, that code is fragile and I'd have to do all of the testing all over again.. :\ (never change bad code that works) :P
it's not that bad - you just never reach 1.0
x = int((int((max(image) / 256.0) * 10) + 1) ** 0.5 / 3 * 10)
that looks completely horrid to me (:
i have no idea what that is :D
Like, as in fact it is, the result of just fooling about until it just about works
@htorque did you run the code? it's really quite cool
20:36
i'd have to reboot to enable my webcam in the bios...
maybe at a later time :)
I wish I could hack my new Coffee maker... In python...
@StefanoPalazzo Why couldn't you?
wouldn't it then no longer be able to serve an espresso >:D
I'd have to buy hardware (poor student, remember) and rip it apart. Plus what htorque says.
(yeah, hate me for making jokes about python's performance :D)
20:41
If I don't have coffee, I can't program, if I can't program, I won't get it to make coffee
it's a vicious circle
oic (:
@StefanoPalazzo go make some instant coffee ;)
I still have the old machine, and it still works
make: * No rule to make target `coffee'. Stop.
maybe I'll buy an arduino and try to hook it up somehow
but the taste of instant coffee will spur you on to improve your coffee machine
20:43
good point (:
egads, there's lots of unanswered questions that I can't answer. Some of them are of the form, how can I do X, given that X is impossible?
do want
too bad hard questions (like those that require writing a new app for someone) don't give you more rep. I guess that's what bounties are for.
perfect for hooking someone on ristretto :D
@htorque ooh. want++
@htorque what's that again, a tiny espresso? (ristretto)
20:48
I'm a philistine, just bought one of these
@StefanoPalazzo is that the thing with the pouches?
@jgbelacqua yeah an espresso of an espresso :D
@jgbelacqua yeah
and that thing can't fetch your mail?
@StefanoPalazzo Hmm. I guess it could be worse. But you should get a french press at least. Cheap and effective.
20:49
those coffee pods even have DRM
does it recognize gray imports? :D
Wow, this has turned into 'coffee talk'
hm... coffee.stackexchange.com, anyone? :D
I think that was suggested on area51 ... for real.
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Coffee

Proposed Q&A site for drinkers, buyers, sellers, makers, tasters, roasters, and grinders of coffee.

Currently in commitment.

20:51
oh nice dude
Yeah, that would take traffic from SO and AU
you get +2 rep for an edit!
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if you submit an edit I mean
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Q: Edit a question (from other user) and get +2 rep ?

MuggenThere was this Question on SO this morning (GMT Time). I made an edit (I don't have enough rep to do it without peer review) and the changes I commited were Change the Title Fix code Indent After this happened, my changes were accepted, and I +1-ed the question and put it as a favorite. Wi...

@JorgeCastro up to 1000 right?
this should really encourage people to edit edit edit!
I'm on it! Come on typo-filled questions!
need to get that 3K in time for natty.
20:53
i would do more mini-edits if they wouldn't bump the questions...
You know what, they talked about this - but Jeff said he wasn't going to do it
I'm glad he did
@htorque that used to bother me too, but I got over it
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@htorque yeah, and retags too. goofy effect on the front page
it's ok if there are no accepted answers, but i feel bad when doing it if the question is already answered
Me too, I don't care that much. But I avoid editing too much between 1400 and 1900 utc (peak traffic)
20:55
1400- 1900 UTC is peak? had no idea....
Don't trust me on this one, It just my 'feeling'
I will collect some hard data on that when I have some time and make a meta post about it if that data turns out to be good
I'm sure it's better than my unsupportable speculation
cool.
Oh by the way, here are the stats I was talking about this morning: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561616/
(reputation comparison between askubuntu and stackoverflow)
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Q: Is there an RSS feed of Ubuntu Release torrent files

ValorinA lot of torrent search engines have the ability to provide an RSS feed of matches, allowing you to set up torrent programs to download items which are published on the feed. This is useful for watching releases of things. The problem with doing this through a random search engine for Ubuntu is ...

seems like a good idea, unless I'm missing something
it is
it just doesn't exist
20:59
@StefanoPalazzo I love your little statistic scripts
@MarcoCeppi here's the code paste.ubuntu.com/561619
note this one doesn't work with data from stackoverflow, unless you have tons of ram (no idea how much you need, just that 3 gigabytes isn't enough)
Then how did you get the SO data?
I have an 8GB machine I could through this against
I loaded the json file with open().readlines() and scraped the rep count, then I did the calculations with a tuple of integers (and floats where unavoidable, though that doesn't make a difference in memory usage. It takes ages to calculate as well).
@JorgeCastro Perfect -- so, someone implement this so we can get it answered. :)
This is why I must learn R soon.
21:09
hey
who of you has the data dump and a kindle?
I tried to make a kindle thing from the dump but I ran into the "doesn't know how to code bits" even though a guy basically did all the work
@JorgeCastro I've got a kindle, but not data dump
the data dump is just a torrent
so I could get the data dump.... but I might run into the same problem.
it would be cool if every month we had a script that just published new epub books of the site
then people could just sub them
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Q: Stack Overflow top 20 tags in ebook format

Greg HewgillFurther to a discussion over a year ago about Stack Overflow portable edition, I've since got a Kindle and have been working on this project again. I got a fast new machine with lots of disk space, installed 64-bit FreeBSD on it, and now I can mmap() the whole >4G posts.xml file. That really hel...

Is play installed by default on ubuntu?
21:17
@StefanoPalazzo nope
greg@greg-maverick:~$ play
The program 'play' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
sudo apt-get install sox
greg@greg-maverick:~$
oh okay, thank you!
@JorgeCastro Yeah, I don't think that would be too hard. Well, at least post bodies.
if you try it only download the askubuntu part of the torrent, the SO part is all huge
I haven't looked at the RSS format of posts -- wonder if that's close to ebook readable already.
well, this guy's tool formats the data and all that into ebook friendly
I just can't figure out how to run it on the askubuntu data instead of the default stackoverflow.com stuff
21:24
Ok -- I'll try to take a look.
21:39
Hmm ... you could do 90% of this with 10% of the work. But for the images and whatnot he's over my head with xsl/java stuff
He's probably doing it right. Might be able to segregate the data at the start for AU.
 
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22:54
Ouch. Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate (it includes all the DLC and expansions) is 23GB. My ISP isn't going to like me very much.
Yey! 1%, 5 hours to go!
23:08
@Oli Isn't that also an Xbox 360 game?
I've expanded my nomination, http://askubuntu.com/election#post-24227
but I've only realised that since this morning, I still haven't gotten any better at writing this kind of thing. :P
I just realized that people over 2K don't get rep for editing...
23:27
It's slowly dawning on me that there really is no good OpenSource Webhosting Control Panel
@MarcoCeppi you mean for hosting providers?
Yeah. It's basically use pay for cPanel or use ISPConfig
everything else is ugly, near non-defunct, or no longer supported.
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@StefanoPalazzo Not enough bold and code blocks, I can't vote for you.
Too complicated and clunky.
23:30
@DoR

>>> import ♦
File "<stdin>", line 1
import ♦
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

:-(
When you look at cPanel they're the closest to "perfect" (which is pretty far) for a user interface.
Emails, Database, File Manager, Subdomains, FTP, Billing.
that sounds mightily complicated
And I was about to suggest to roll your own
That's what I'm doing, just because I have no other better option
File manager really isn't that important TBH
that's what FTP accounts are for.
Any chance your firm is to hire someone to do it for you?
sounds like a little bit of a waste of your time
I don't think so, but I'll ask
You would have to use our 1995 framework though
23:34
Argue that this task is pretty mundane and that your time is much better spent doing more intelligent work (probably not in those words hehe)
Also, because it's mundane, (I'm guessing) it won't be that expensive to do.
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