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RobotHumans

00:14

@TheWanderer multi-rom is great for not having that happen. I'm a little sad the cyanogenmod team switched gears. sorry on the double-ping

TheWanderer

by "switched gears" do you mean shut down because of stupid business decisions and unprofessionalism?

RobotHumans

I mean going from a full-on image to app-stuff. Their selling point was an open working enhanced unlocked image.

I ignore the politics of all of it, because I don't know any of them personally.

Abdul Sadik Yalcin

00:29

can someone help with apache2

Videonauth

01:00

@TheWanderer huh ?

Pandya

@Zanna welcome to Indian Languages! Also try to help with posting example questions :)

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

05:52

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Q: How to browse by proxyfied openVPN

Issue this command in the terminal window sudo openvpn --config vpn.ovpn --http-proxy 127.0.0.1 8640 Seconds later it tells me the VPN has been connection. If open the web browser and check my IP, it is still shows my local. How to tweak my system my browser go through proxyfied openVPN?

Nathan Osman

06:47

Argh. Not enough money to buy the Ronin S :(

Takkat

07:48

What a pity: after 2795 consecutive days I just missed my very fist day here on AU.

That happens when you go to places without internets.,,

Journeyman Geek

:(

Takkat

almost 3000 it was... ;)

actually, in holidays it always was pretty uncertain to join, but I never thought this would be an issue only 3 km away from home.

Journeyman Geek

08:03

hah

I think my most recent break day was my brother's wedding

Zanna

08:52

@Takkat woaah!

Takkat

woahh it would be but I totally missed it :"(

I had to spend 2 nights in hospital - that was 1 night too many - but this mostly not because of AU ;)

dessert

@Takkat oh, I hope you’re well?

@Takkat write a script and run it on a server :D

Takkat

yeah totally well, but I missed my consecutivity

(scripts would be cheating)

Zanna

glad you are fine - that's much more important than consecutivity

dessert

@Zanna at least when there’s no badge for it ;)

Zanna

09:01

@Pandya thanks! I am bad at questions. But I added two probably closeable ones and I will try to think of more haha

@dessert oh yeah, if there was a badge for it it would be worth risking your health for XD

dessert

@Zanna help me phrase this one: What are the differences between Vedic and Sanskrit? Does Vedic equal “Old Sanskrit”?

do you think the second question is clear enough?

I thought about writing something like “Is Sanskit to Vedic like English is to Old English?”, but that seems overly long and not much clearer.

Zanna

@dessert sure, there's nothing wrong with that in terms of expression, it's perfectly clear. I'm totally clueless about the languages but I assume you're not asking about that XD

dessert

@Zanna ok, thanks :> no, the language part I got covered ;)

Zanna

haha yeah

dessert

wow, that’d be a really interesting SE site

Zanna

09:08

I think my question about the retroflex approximant should be closed as a bug report

you don't get many upvotes to give out :(

@dessert definitely

dessert

@Zanna :D No, but reading it I wondered whether there really is only one transliteration system. If there are several, you should specify which one you’re asking about once it’s launched. that would make for another question btw: which different transliteration systems are there available for <language>?

Zanna

idk, but it gets transliterated like that. or maybe just with z (Tamil has no z sound)

dessert

@Zanna “idk” is a really good start for asking a question ;)

@Zanna well, let’s find other people then – you’re a people person, aren’t you?

Zanna

I even have a really bad book like "learn Tamil in a month" which says ழ் should be pronounced like the 'sio' in 'vision'. Good luck having people understand you

@dessert me? no, I'm introvert to the point of being a hermit XD

@dessert you're right, I can make another question! but maybe later :S super busy

dessert

@Zanna Do you think an advertising post on Linguistics Meta would be frowned upon?

Journeyman Geek

09:22

@Zanna oh god

that letter is murder on even some native speakers

Gotta have your tongue movement perfect

@dessert tamil transliteration, much like that of many indian languages is informal, and terrible

and ya, we use the z for what's almost a deeper rollier y sound. Almost like a door creaking in the middle of the night sounding like a ya.

dessert

@JourneymanGeek exactly what I thought – that should definitely be covered by questions!

@JourneymanGeek You’re in?

Journeyman Geek

naw

I'm primarily here for the tech sites

dessert

ok :)

Journeyman Geek

and while my spoken tamil is alright I'm hardly a enthusiast about it, let alone a subject matter expert.

dessert

@JourneymanGeek Do you think a post on Linguistics Meta advertising the related new site would be frowned upon?

maybe I should ask that in their chat…

Journeyman Geek

09:30

@dessert sounds like something that belongs on community ads

Unless you mean advertising the beta

which I'm not sure about

dessert

ok :)

Zanna

@dessert surely not

@JourneymanGeek yeah right. I get worried when I see one coming towards me XD

@JourneymanGeek lol ok ima think about a door creaking

Journeyman Geek

@Zanna so...

there's regional accents right?

Zanna

must be

Journeyman Geek

Basically a lot of sri lankans pronounce that with the softer "ya" sound

so the word for fruit "Pazham" sound like "Palam"

Then there's this

ஏழைக்கிழவன் வியாழக்கிழமை வாழைப்பழத்தோல் வழுக்கிக் கீழே விழுந்தான்.

(copy pasted)

I can't even transliterate that.

But it kinda is our she sold sea shells on the sea shore...

"The poor old man, on thursday, slipped and fell on a banana"

The version I remember was "mottai kezhavan" rather than "aazyai kezhavan"

(bald old man vs poor old man)

If you can say that once correctly you got your ழ and ய sorted

and you can work out the "contanant" version from there

and the compound letters

dessert

09:44

@Zanna new question: “What are popular tongue twisters in Tamil?” ;D

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek what is that ஓல்? weird kinda locative

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Linux installation issues, grub2 not loading, send help

Yeye, sorry for not being serious in the title "send help", trying to maintain my humor after all of this. So, this is going to be a little bit complicated to explain, but I will try to detail everything about my problem(s). Before of all of this, that's what I did : Disabled "Secure Boot" an...

ubuntu kali-linux dual-boot

Zanna

@dessert lol good one

Journeyman Geek

errrr

that dosen't sound familiar

oool...

nopee

Zanna

வாழைப்பழத்தோல்

Journeyman Geek

09:45

oh

break it up

வாழைப்பழ தோல்

Zanna

banana fruit (am becomes att) -ool

Journeyman Geek

there's a m there

so its banana skin

Zanna

oh its skin

Journeyman Geek

I missed that lol

Zanna

my bad

I know the word தோல்

Journeyman Geek

09:47

generic word for skin ;p

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek where did the ம் go?

Journeyman Geek

I can't type in tamil

and was lazy to go find something to copy paste it

and when you combine words, letters get ommitted

I can't remember the grammatical term

Zanna

that's not a problem, I'm just asking to learn how it's working :)

sorry!

dessert

sandhi!

Journeyman Geek

basically you remove or swap letters when you compound 2 words

Ya, probably that.

I do not grammer. I am a proper native speaker so the rules often don't apply or are forgotten XD

Zanna

09:50

haha the only English L1 people who know anything about English grammar are those who teach English as an additional language

but grammar is awesomely helpful for learners

dessert

@JourneymanGeek if language were to be spoken by linguistists only it would die from preservation

Journeyman Geek

yup

Zanna

so I am always asking dumb questions that make people scratch their heads

@dessert pickled language

Journeyman Geek

Its not dumb

its just things a native speaker takes for granted

lol

Zanna

yeah :)

dessert

09:59

most languages show sandhi, compare “a apple” → “an apple” and things like “wanna”, “gotcha” and “should have” that’s compressed to something like “shoudıf” and when written sometimes erroneously gets expanded to “should of”.

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=should%20of

Zanna

@dessert lol

my teacher is from Sri Lanka. She says Tamil has 3 "l"s, ல (பாம்பு) ள (which I call the middle one) and ழ. But l don't think any of the letters in English are really very similar to ழ so we could transliterate it as anything going spare, and z is definitely going spare, so that's a reasonable reason. But it creates a certain degree of confusion for the uninitiated XD

dessert

… which brings up the question what purpose exactly the transliteration serves, if you have to learn the transliteration why not just learn the original script in the first place? ;P

even more so if the transliteration makes you learn it wrong

Zanna

yeah, but there are issues of being able to type the language easily on Eurocentric keyboards etc

@dessert indeed haha

I find several of the conventions for transliterating Tamil misleading. But it's also difficult to write spoken Tamil in Tamil haha

Journeyman Geek

10:42

@dessert cause typing in tamil is hard

TheWanderer

12:29

finally reinstalled Windows

dessert

finally got my headache back

TheWanderer

12:44

yay

dessert

@Zanna Did you see/read/hear this? learnenglish.de/pronunciation/pronunciationpoem.html

5

Wow, I do not know how to pronounce English. oO

Journeyman Geek

13:10

@Zanna my mom has the google keyboard for tamil on her phone

its 'proper' and works ok

Fabby

13:26

@dessert got this one wrong so far: topsails

sieve

dessert

@Fabby not bad, way to go :)

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek I use something open source (from F-Droid repo) called Indic keyboard and it works great. I can use it fine :) I use the xkb layout on Ubuntu and I can remember where most of the letters are pretty well now :)

Journeyman Geek

ah

I cannot type in tamil

Fabby

loth victual Foeffer heifer

plait succour

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek Yeah it's not easy. I need to do it so I do it. There are phonetic methods too, but I haven't even tried that. I prefer to know which letter I'm going to get since I don't even know how to pronounce Tamil properly

user136984

13:32

@dessert Sorry to hear that, but for a moment there I thought you said it was your moustache! :D

dessert

@ParanoidPanda ;D

Zanna

@dessert lol

user136984

@Zanna: Have you seen any Ladybirds around this year?

Fabby

preface scourging gunwale indict

user136984

Because I spend a lot of my time in woodlands and parks and I haven't seen any.

user136984

13:34

I'm getting slightly concerned.

user136984

I hope that the really overly cold winter we had didn't kill them off.

Zanna

when I was doing the Trinity TESOL course they pointed out that there are 7 (iirc) ways to pronounce the letter combination "ough" which is my favourite example of how spelling in English is hell on wheels

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby either a password or a command code to activate a sleeper agent....

user136984

The trees are infested with things that the ladybirds would normally eat.

Zanna

@ParanoidPanda I haven't seen them no :(

user136984

13:35

:(

Fabby

I have...

Shall we export some?

@dessert Starred!

user136984

Do you know if it's the National Trust that you would contact about this sort of thing? Because perhaps they have monitoring stations for this sort of thing. Or at least they should keep some sort of watch.

Fabby

Very tough even for me! And I've been speaking English for 35 years now...

The problem is I read too much and don't listen enough.

should watch more English films with subtitles...

Back to kitchen... BRB

user136984

@Fabby I'll pay for the crates! ;P

Fabby

:-)

dessert

13:40

@Fabby I think there’s not a single native speaker wo could read the whole poem without a single mistake. Even if you know every single word, they are arranged to make you mispronounce them. The introduction says even the author needed several attempts recording it.

Zanna

@ParanoidPanda I don't know, but I think ad hoc reports from ordinary folks are an important source info for that kind of thing

@dessert challenge accepted

Fabby

@dessert I'm pretty sure en erudite scholar would

dessert

@Zanna record it and upload the recording!

I want to hear that.

Fabby

@dessert :D :D :D

Zanna

will do... know any good places to upload sound recording?

Fabby

13:42

@Zanna uuencode and upload to paste.ubuntu.com

dessert

clyp.it

Zanna

I'm not gonna listen to their recording so mistakes will be all mine hahaha

Fabby

You're going to go : "Hold on: that's not right: that's ..." a lot!

dessert

let the girl work! ;)

Fabby

That's why I didn't ping her...

Back to kitchen...

Zanna

14:01

haha my file is too big

dessert

split

or maybe some other service? vocaroo.com/?upload soundcloud.com/upload instaud.io

Zanna

making account

dessert

I’m really curious. :)

Zanna

clyp.it/1amf5gi0

there done!

I didn't know at least two of the words though, I just guessed

@Pandya ok I wrote my five questions for the proposal!

my accent is very obvious haha

dessert

wow, very well done! Both your voice and your accent are beautiful if you ask me.

Zanna

14:11

haha thank you blush

next job is to master @JourneymanGeek's Thursday banana skin tongue-twister

Fabby

@Zanna Not bad at all

I knew how to write indict and I've heard it said, but never saw/heard them together...

dessert

@Zanna I’m looking forward to hear this recording. :)

Zanna

I think I must have mispronounced ere... I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that XD

Fabby

@Zanna Not to us: It's just British...

Zanna

haha

Fabby

14:14

You brits can hear the difference beween an Estender and a Westender, but we can't.

Zanna

@Fabby you can remember that write rhymes with indict XD

Fabby

I even have difficulties distinguishing between Kiwi and Aussie

Yeah, when I have heard it, I though it was written indight.

Zanna

makes sense

Fabby

When I've seen it written, I though it was Indikt

dessert

@Zanna shouldn’t “ye” also rhyme with “key”?

Fabby

14:15

never knew it was one word...

Zanna

oh yeah, like "hear ye hear ye"

archaic word

not used

Fabby

Oyez Oyez!

:D

@Zanna So where's your accent from then? I'd say it's Queen's English...

Zanna

Lincolnshire

Fabby

No clue...

It's not like it's Geordie (Jeordie? Jordy?)

Zanna

you can hear the difference in words with a and maybe u. Like instead of saying /ʌ/ like a southerner I will say /æ/ or /ʊ/

it's similar to a Yorkshire accent

Fabby

14:20

I once was in Newcastle taking petrol and 3 kids saw my car and one of them asked me a question and I had him repeat it three times and still didn't understand and ended up asking him:

Can you repeat that in English now???

Zanna

in normal speech it's very unlikely I'll ever fully pronounce a syllable-final t, but I might make the effort when reading a poem

Fabby

And then he asked: Is this car expensive???

Zanna

my dad is from Liverpool haha that' a distinctive accent

Fabby

@Zanna So tight and thigh sound the same?

Zanna

Geordie is the right spelling for Newcastle area accent

Fabby

14:22

Thanks.

Zanna

@Fabby not at all because /t/ doesn't sound like /θ/ and the syllable final t will be replaced with a glottal stop, whereas a word ending with /aɪ/ will sound open and longer

Fabby

Yes, I don't know how to write phonetic letters nor...

... could my spell checker find the correct pronunciation of the word describing the sound /θ/

Zanna

is it diphthong?

Fabby

diphthong seems to be correct.

You see? And we're not even talking about Leicester Square...

Zanna

well /θ/ is the unvoiced th

Fabby

14:29

The one most Germans who don't know English well pronounce as f

Grammar is really easy in English, but Spelling and Pronunciation are really difficult

Actually: pronunciation without spelling is OK as is Spelling without pronunciation.

dessert

@Fabby my professor advised me to better use d as a replacement, it’s phonologically

Fabby

Unfortunately, they go together...

dessert

oops

Zanna

yeah those two phonemes (that one and the voiced one in the this those, /ð/) are really tricky if your L1 doesn't have them

dessert

there are even dialects pronouncing th as d

:)

Fabby

14:32

Thigh digh?

makes it sound like die then!

:D

Zanna

/ð/ is even more like d. If you can make your d dental, it's almost there

I mean just touch your tongue to your teeth when you say it

dessert

exactly – f is just wrong

Fabby

Any language is hard... I know an English woman married to a German and she cannot hear the difference between ü and u

Zanna

o.O seems a huge difference to me

maybe my teacher exaggerated it

Fabby

Because they met up in their 50s

Zanna

14:34

aah

Fabby

So she was never exposed to anything German for her entire life and cannot hear the difference any more.

dessert

I teach my children to first bite their tongue’s tip so they feel it being out there (where it doesn’t belong when you speak German ;D)

Fabby

I had a hard time between distinguishing between 2 Russian letter-pairs:

Ш and Щ

Pandya

@Zanna No-problem, I'm also not expert but we can hope for experts drawn.

Fabby

and Ы and И

dessert

14:38

@Pandya I also contributed some questions. proud Thanks for starting this!

Fabby

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy ----^

Pandya

@Zanna Thanks. actually in the starting phase number of followers and especially no of example questions are important for activity,( though useful questions with 10+ votes are needed in future)

dessert

@Fabby yeah!

Pandya

@dessert Yes, actually there were many failed proposal try of different language like Hindi, Sanskrit etc. but I thought of gathering mass and hence chosen generic one.

3

Q: Would it be a better idea to propose "Indian Languages"?

I remember that there was a proposal like "Indian Languages" may be deleted due to inactivity. And there was a question like "support Indian Language proposal instead of initiating separate" which might be deleted with the proposal. Currently there are two active proposal 1. Sanskrit Language an...

culture proposal-scope languages

dessert

@Pandya good idea, I think it has a real chance this way

Zanna

14:42

@dessert dental I can do, but the retroflex sounds kill me XD

Pandya

Btw,

in Shadow's Den on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 days ago, by Pandya

Actually the scope I thought is broard at present. Question can be about use of language, grammar, trivia, history, writing, meanings, translations, characteristics, ....,.....,... etc.

Zanna

@Pandya it's a great idea - it makes space for individual language questions and broader scope ones that are more general/comparative/tentative

Pandya

you may invite others :) Thanks @dessert

Fabby

@Rinzwind Woohoo!

@dessert Life's not fair, and then you die!

:D >:-) :D

Videonauth

@Fabby well living is dying, from a biological perspective

dessert

14:58

at least it’s not dyeing ;)

Fabby

@Videonauth Well, starting from being fully grown up, it is

(stove turned off, no more running into kitchen)

At least I got half of the bounty...

dessert

15:18

@Fabby “methodology” sounds like a sect to me ;)

Fabby

@dessert @Zanna Could you comment on the above? i originally said "2 ways" but that sounds childish to me and methodology and algorithm sound too erudite...

Videonauth

@fabby did you get meanwhile the replacement for the DOA drive?

:)

Fabby

@Videonauth Haven't sent it off yet...

Videonauth

:P

Fabby

Too damn busy during the week and too damned tired during the week-end.

I slept till 11:30

Videonauth

15:28

well how can i check memory with an efi system as of the grub menu does not give me the memtest option

the bios detects the both 8 GB modules properly, runs them at lower frequency as my board can'T reach the target frequency anyways

Fabby

Lemme check mine as I thought my EFI does contain memtest.

dessert

@Fabby I mostly use “way” or (more formal) “approach”.

Fabby

Approach is better.

Zanna

why would you say methodology when you can just say method? :)

Videonauth

it tells me memtest86+ is installed when i try to install it but when i run update-grub it does not insert it into the grub menu entries

@Zanna havn't those words total different meanings?

Fabby

15:34

@Zanna THAT's the word I was looking for!!!

Zanna

I think "way" is better than "approach" because it has the same meaning in the context, is perfectly unambiguous, and requires less typing

Fabby

method it is now...

"way" just sounded ....

dessert

economics, yay! o/

Fabby

... not what I really meant

here is an economics answer:

0

A: What makes small tea leaves better than big tea leaves?

Do some empirical research and go into your garden and taste some of the flowers, buds, small leaves and old leaves. Warning: Do this only if you know something about horticulture and botany as you want to avoid poisoning yourself! The smallest leaves are the least bitter ones of most plants ...

Zanna

@Videonauth Maybe I'm just ignorant, but methodology seems to me to be one of those woolly words that has a broad nebulous meaning. method = way of doing thing, methodology = coherent set of ideas about way of doing specific thing and the way of doing it. Like the subheading in your thesis under which you talk about the philosophy behind the design of your research and how you actually did your research could be Methodology

Videonauth

15:40

:)

dessert

sounds exactly like German Methode vs. Methodik

Videonauth

@Zanna this ^

dessert

are you pointing me to my own post? :D

Videonauth

sorry

dessert

no worries, made me laugh

Zanna

15:42

whereas the section of the write up you do of your physics practical in school where you detail the steps of setting up the circuits and setting the voltage to the bulb and recording the resistance of the LDR etc blahblah would be subtitled Method

Methodik sounds like methodical, which is a whole different thing :)

dessert

@Zanna it’s “whereas”, actually ;)

Zanna

thanks, didn't read what I wrote :)

Fabby

@dessert I'm still trying to download Zanna's recording without creating an account on clipit. Do you have a download link(as you have an account)?

Page source is not really helping.

dessert

German “wohingegen”

Videonauth

@Zanna dict.leo.org/german-english/methodik

dessert

15:44

@Fabby I don’t have an account, but youtube-dl is your friend

youtube-dl -x clyp.it/1amf5gi0

I just love this piece of software…

Zanna

@dessert haha German sounds so logical

dessert

@Zanna that’s actually only one word you could use, and I chose a fancy one of course

Fabby

@dessert cp /tmp/My\ recording\ #31-1amf5gi0.mp3 Zanna\ Poem.mp3 CC @Zanna

@Zanna It's my humble opinion you have a nice voice and the bit of laughter in the middle makes me smile, so saved ---^

Zanna

thanks haha I started laughing when it nearly tripped me

dessert

We really should make that a thing, upload recordings of beautiful poems in our mother tongue (and maybe even dialect) for each other.

Zanna

15:50

oohhhh yeah

I can find some nicer poems than that one haha

Fabby

So I made Chilli con carne and maade way too much...

dessert

@Zanna any German poem you want me to recite?

Fabby

... guess what? I'm entertaining 8 people now...

@Zanna My native language would sound like gibberish to everyone even people in the same language group.

dessert

@Fabby so what? you don’t need to understand to enjoy language…

Videonauth

@dessert Festgemauert in der Erden, steht die Form aus Lehm gebrannt,.Heut noch soll die Glocke werden, frisch Gesellen seid zur Hand ...

Fabby

15:52

E;g. Rinzwind only understands 50% when it's written down!

Did anyone ask if Zanna didn't mind her voice being starred before starring it???

OK, back to my kitchen as the guests arrive in an hour...

Zanna

if I posted it in the indelible transcript, I consider it public

dessert

@Videonauth I actually learnt that by heart once (without having to), I like Goethe better though.

Zanna

@dessert Oh I only know Rilke - his poems are beautiful in English translation!

dessert

@Zanna I’m open for suggestions. :)

Videonauth

@dessert I was forced to memorize it for school, but i forgot the most of it meanwhile

so, have to restart once again, be right back

Zanna

16:01

@dessert oh I think you should choose what you like. But if I think of something I will let you know

Do you have any requests for poems in English?

dessert

I like to recite poems to/with my children, mostly short and funny ones of course – Joachim Ringelnatz, Heinz Ehrhardt, Christian Morgenstern, Ernst Jandl and Wilhelm Busch are at a premium.

Zanna

I like to recite poems to my parents too

dessert

@Zanna I imagine you’d do “The Raven” so much better than whoever recorded it for wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raven

Videonauth

@dessert love Heinz Ehrhardt to be honest, he was one of the very few who really could play with German language

dessert

@Videonauth forgot to mention Robert Gernhardt, e.g.: lyrikline.org/de/gedichte/der-tag-dem-das-verschwand-1219

Zanna

16:13

haha The Simpsons did a good reading of The Raven XD

but probably Poe should get a USian accent

Videonauth

:)

dessert

The Simpsons - Edgar Allan Poe: The Raven

►

found it :>

Fabby

How did I go from:

Yeah, sure, I'll come over and cook my famous Chilli con Carne for you and your partner

to:

Yeah sure, I'll come over and cook for 7 people...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Zanna

the chilli was too famous

Fabby

Actually: You'd like my Chilli sin carne...

Zanna

16:20

I make it with kasha and chipotle

Fabby

Recipe:
Fry onions in olive oil
Do not put any meat in that
Add black beans soaked overnight in water
Add fresh tomatoes, 1 bay leaf pp, PeSaNu
Stew for an hour

Recipe:
Fry onions in olive oil
Do not put any meat in that
Add black beans soaked overnight in water
Add fresh tomatoes, Bell pepper, mushrooms, 1 bay leaf pp, PeSaNu
add thai fresh chillies
Stew for an hour

Add maize

let simmer for 30 min

Zanna

16:38

My recipe haha...

Kasha is roasted buckwheat groats. If it is not available this can be made with another toasted grain or with grated cauliflower, which won't have the same flavour.

100g firm tofu, marinated or plain (optional)
1/2 cup cooked kidney beans + cooking water (to cook, wash in hot water, soak for 20 hours, cook on a low heat for 1 hour without salt)
neutral oil
1 tsp cumin seeds
1/2 tsp black mustard seeds
1 onion, finely diced
green pepper, finely diced
3-4 leaves green cabbage, shredded

Fabby

16:55

@Zanna Wow!

Learned 2 things: What groats are and that I need to drop by so we can have a cooking session.

:-) ;-) :-)

What do you use for neutral oil (grapeseed here) @Zanna

Zanna

rapeseed

canola to USians

Fabby

I've been told by my doctor to avoid all rapeseed oil and thus make my own mayonnaise ...

Zanna

allergy?

Fabby

Cholestorol...

He said rapeseed oil is the worst oil you can use.

(Also: he's German, a sports doctor and thin as a reed)

Zanna

rapeseed oil doesn't have cholesterol or saturated fat so how can it mess up your cholesterol?

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