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Seth

00:02

WTH

Kaz Wolfe

everyone sells everyone's data

i'm pretty sure even stack exchange is selling everything they can

Seth

@KazWolfe yeah but usually it's less.. obvious

WinEunuuchs2Unix

if your buying what they are selling and they are selling what they think you are buying it's just an echo chamber... although it does create jobs I must admit.

Shevchuk

@WinEunuuchs2Unix My main system is 17.04, that beta would be just a test in a VM, so... Btw, this thread suggests there is no intentional difference between beta and final after release: ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2181504

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Shevchuk As you've discovered running things under beta can take time... which is why I prefer not to use beta now days.. True I did waste a couple hours on 17.04 beta last December but I quickly abandoned the project.

Shevchuk

00:10

december? 5 months before release, that was probably an alpha at best :) 17.10 arrives in 10 days

Kaz Wolfe

next up: figuring out why the hell this thing is broken in so many weird ways

Kaz Wolfe

00:33

yo @Seth

Eliah Kagan

Do linkified pings work?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Shevchuk Yeah I think it was the 17.04 alpha. Anyway everything changed when Canonical ditched Unity in favor of Gnome.

Seth

@KazWolfe yes?

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth bounty, has multiple closes on it, is a crosspost.

what do

Seth

not sure, good question.

cross posting isn't the end of the world, it's not even a terrible thing if the problem is straightforward.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

00:35

@EliahKagan What's "linkified ping"? So I ping someone and that machine pings someone? We should call it "ping-pong" :)

Eliah Kagan

Heh.

I just mean the @ notation but inside text that is a hyperlink.

Well it has an answer posted on Unix & Linux but not here. So if it's going to be bounty-refunded and closed anywhere, it might as well be done here.

Kaz Wolfe

also another scraping site

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Oh closing a question and refunding the bounty... that's a new interesting twist!

Eliah Kagan

There are limited circumstances under which moderators sometimes manually refund bounties. As far as I know it's pretty much just so the question can be immediately closed. (Refunding bounties is not done to address common situations, like a bounty not attracting as much attention as intended.)

Seth

right, which I can do.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

00:40

Like I said this is INTERESTING

Eliah Kagan

Indeed.

Seth

@KazWolfe honestly looking at that it seems a lot like "do my scripting work for me"

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth that too

Eliah Kagan

If it has to be closed in one of the places, then I'd suggest closing it here rather than asking the Unix & Linux mods to close it there because closing it here is less likely to lead to the loss of contributions that could be valuable. But I should mention, I guess, that there's an argument for having it closed on Unix & Linux instead: they have an actual close reason, that can be selected in the list when you go to off topic, for questions that are posted on another SE site.

Seth

There's not even code in the question. If this was Stack Overflow the quality checks would have stopped it before they even posted.

@EliahKagan Do they really?

Kaz Wolfe

00:43

on an unrelated note i love how new computers like 90% work with linux

and how because of kernel updates it won't 100% for a long time

Eliah Kagan

Seth

@EliahKagan huh, interesting.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@KazWolfe Isn't more like "Linux works with 90% of new computers" because of coding from hardware mfg?

You know like 99% of the top 500 super computers are running Linux. It makes sense that PC hardware people use Linux to test their stuff too.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: How can I tell if a user is idle in Wayland?

On X-Server based systems the utility xprintidle will return the number of milliseconds that the user has been idle. Does similar functionality exist under Wayland? I am attempting to write a small program that records application focus throughout the day, as a way to measure how I use my comput...

Kaz Wolfe

01:00

@WinEunuuchs2Unix hardware manufacturers rarely care about linux

most consumer-facing devices use windows so they test windows.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@KazWolfe My point was that its easier for hardware manufactures to test and develop under Linux. Granted the polished and most supported stuff is for Windows.

Journeyman Geek

Hardware supports windows. Linux/bsd/haiku supports hardware.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

From people within the hardware companies moonlighting / small division offshoots @JourneymanGeek

Kaz Wolfe

no, mostly the community

the only time you'll see hardware companies coming in to actually do things is for servers or massive public outcry

I'm sure that if nvidia could, they'd just ignore linux entirely for GCs

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Much of Linux is written by hardware companies DKMS by Dell, i915 by Intel, IBM contributes, etc. etc.

Kaz Wolfe

01:07

and how much of those are designed primarily for servers but conveniently spilled into the consumer side

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Sorry but nVidia and AMD GPU under Linux is a joke... .serious gaming is under Windows

there is no "consumer" in linux... it's all free and love of computing

Kaz Wolfe

I bet that DKMS came from Dell trying to reduce sysadmin load on upgrading servers

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Sure that is a valid point about DKMS, but yet it is still there....

Dell didn't have to make DKMS free but they did

Journeyman Geek

@WinEunuuchs2Unix intel tends to treat linux as a first class platform

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Even Microsoft jumped on Linux and Open Source band wagon...I just read today Visual Studio is free

Journeyman Geek

01:10

visual studio code's basically a reskinned electron based text editor.

Kaz Wolfe

yeah... true Visual Studio is not free.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

VS I don't know at all until the last 48 hours... but look at the efforts piled into Windows Subsystem for Linux they are definitely investing albeit not a lot because x-windows and dbus aren't officially supported.

Kaz Wolfe

xwin likely won't be supported

if anything will be, it'll be wayland.

X is finally dying the painful death it deserves.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Kind of reminds me of 2 y/o argument Vulkan will kill off OpenGL but that hasn't materialized....

Kaz Wolfe

That requires game developers actually do things right

And not be lazy. It's much easier to move to Wayland because that's just swapping one backbone for another, essentially.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

01:21

no matter what the future holds though. I have to install X in Windows via VcXsrv or Xming in order to run my Bash GUI's I wrote here over the last year.

There is only 1% talk of installing Wayland to use in WSL vs. 99% chatter of installing X for WSL.

Kaz Wolfe

because wayland is not ready and mature yet

WinEunuuchs2Unix

agreed

Kaz Wolfe

once major OSes move over to wayland and it becomes the new standard for apps, people are going to start wanting to install Wayland on WSL

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Windows, Android and Mac will never move over to Wayland so I think you mean major distros and not major OS???

Kaz Wolfe

Yes.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

01:24

WSL still isn't supporting systemd or udev yet. So not even MS can do things quickly.

Kaz Wolfe

That's also because WSL is a very bad idea imo

WinEunuuchs2Unix

You were one of the experts I read who posted about WSL here in AU over the last year though

Kaz Wolfe

I still can think it's a bad idea.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I bet you thought it was a good idea at one time and recently got a bad taste in your mouth

I'll find out next week when the new laptop arrives with Windows 10 and I install WSL I guess

Kaz Wolfe

it's an interesting idea, but not good. It adds a whole new layer to support, you're using the Linux kernel on the Windows kernel, most people expect it to be the same as full-fledged Ubuntu, you need to deal with all of Windows' flaws, and pretty much everything else.

If you need a *nix like environment, VM or dual-boot. This hybrid stuff like Wine/WSL can cause way more problems than they solve.

Journeyman Geek

01:28

hah

I just threw nix into a cheap secondary box

Kaz Wolfe

aaaaahh why wont this system bloody work

WinEunuuchs2Unix

You'll love this... I read today someone wanted to setup Wine under Ubuntu WSL

Journeyman Geek

... Wine not? ;p

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Sorry didn't mean to whine about that

Anyway my only interest in WSL is so that I can game in Windows on big screen, have Internet on laptop screen and try Linux stuff out on middle screen.

Journeyman Geek

I do that already ._.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

01:33

I tend to game in binges on Windows and I still want easy access to Linux without rebooting

Kaz Wolfe

so do i

though i use a vm for windows, which i rarely use.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

New laptop only has 8 GB of ram so can't setup VM and still game

Kaz Wolfe

most games are pretty good on my system

Journeyman Geek

I could even throw synergy on this and not swap keyboards between OSes, but I think I haven't bothered yet after the last time it blew up on hidpi screens and scaling.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

New game isn't so good, it was written here in Edmonton where I live

Kaz Wolfe

01:34

that is minecraft. image taken on 4k, with graphics set to 999

still pulling a solid 30fps

WinEunuuchs2Unix

looks nice

Thank god all my three screens are 1080p, 4k would bankrupt me.

Kaz Wolfe

with graphics set to a reasonable config, i can usually pull 500fps

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Four screens, forgot cell phone is 1080p too :)

Journeyman Geek

ehh. I think I spent something like 800usd on 2 (musmatched) ones

WinEunuuchs2Unix

two mismatched monitors you mean? I have two tvs

Journeyman Geek

01:37

yup

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Moving windows between different resolutions confuses me

Journeyman Geek

Nice (pricy) dell P2715q, and a Crossover TN one that's 28 inches

the crossover's pretty much the perfect 'bench' monitor

the third screen is a shitty 7" chinese thing

WinEunuuchs2Unix

haha 7" screen, for your raspberry pi?

Kaz Wolfe

dell monitors are amazing, no joke

Journeyman Geek

for my linux box - its an asrock bebox

@KazWolfe if money was no object, I would go with a trio of P2715Qs, and a bigass 40" 4k monitor over them all on the wall ;p

WinEunuuchs2Unix

01:39

Well this laptop is a dell, the screen is ok, the Alienware arriving next week is a Dell so I guess I mus like the Frank Dell turn-around started 15 years ago or so.

Kaz Wolfe

@JourneymanGeek the dell U series is just amazing.

ultrasharp is just... hnng so amazing

Journeyman Geek

@WinEunuuchs2Unix dell P and U series are basically the best non boutique monitors you can buy

Kaz Wolfe

i have an old u-series from like 2012 or something. that monitor is amazing.

Journeyman Geek

The crossover though...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@JourneymanGeek Unfortunately I'm just on 1080p @ 60 hz hdmi platforms sigh

Journeyman Geek

01:41

3x HDMI 2.0 ports. DP. One vga port capped to 1080p

Only real complaint is that its TN

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I hope my new laptop will be IPS and not TN

note to self check that before ordering next time

Journeyman Geek

But it was cheapish (I think its 350USD)

@KazWolfe dell's adjustability on the non bottom end is crayzy

Kaz Wolfe

yeah. i've ruined all other monitors for myself now lol

i put some decent work into tuning that monitor actually. it beats the hell out of the design guys' screens even now, which is just hilarious to me

i need that perfect white balance to write code!

Journeyman Geek

hah

Eizos!

@KazWolfe at some point I need to buy a caliberator.

TheWanderer

Hey guys

Xposed is here for Nougat

Kaz Wolfe

01:44

hmm...

[12034.891537] pcieport 0000:00:1c.6: AER: Corrected error received: id=00e6
[12034.891544] pcieport 0000:00:1c.6: PCIe Bus Error: severity=Corrected, type=Data Link Layer, id=00e6(Transmitter ID)
[12034.891546] pcieport 0000:00:1c.6:   device [8086:a116] error status/mask=00001000/00002000
[12034.891548] pcieport 0000:00:1c.6:    [12] Replay Timer Timeout

the hell

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Q: Dream Backup Solution

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Kaz Wolfe

i blame kaby lake

TheWanderer

get Coffee Lake

problem solved

Kaz Wolfe

nah if i could have custom'd, i would have gone ryzen

WinEunuuchs2Unix

02:06

A color calibrator must be expensive if the pros charge you $50 to $100 to do it.

Ryzen sounds awesome from specs

Kaz Wolfe

02:18

ryzen is awesome

WinEunuuchs2Unix

AMD is weak at supporting Linux though....

Kaz Wolfe

everything is

WinEunuuchs2Unix

not Dell :) Remember they came out with Ubuntu laptops!

Kaz Wolfe

yeah... let's talk about the mess that is my thunderbolt port on a dell

WinEunuuchs2Unix

02:39

I just ordered a Dell because it's one of the few laptops with a TBT3

Kaz Wolfe

tb3 is broken

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I just hope it works to control second external monitor without blinking every 60 seconds

Nathan Osman

04:03

Blackberry has an interesting phone now:

engadget.com/2017/10/08/blackberry-motion-official

WinEunuuchs2Unix

04:31

A blackberry without a keyboard... what will they think of next!

Journeyman Geek

a microsoft phone that runs android ? ;p

@WinEunuuchs2Unix hughski.com/colorhug2.html is what I've been looking at

I can borrow one of these fairly easily datacolor.com/photography-design/product-overview/…

Didan974

06:21

Hello everyone!

Rinzwind

06:44

Hello one

Peter David Carter

07:22

Hullo all

Ryzen seems good for reasonable cost multi-threading. Love the 8 core 1900 pricing.

Takkat