Ask Ubuntu General Room

TheWanderer

00:36

you know, it's kind of mixed still, but I like this no-button touchpad a lot more than the stupid seesaw thing on my old laptop

it relies on capacitance, though, to tell where you're clicking, since it's technically only one button

so if your finger is dry or you use a pencil, it won't work

Nathan Osman

So the red light is flashing on my N5 when I plug it in.

TheWanderer

that means "He's dead, Jim"

Seth

@KazWolfe so, do you think I should buy a pebble 2?

TheWanderer

no

Pebble is Deddle

Nathan Osman

01:20

github.com/nathan-osman/hang/blob/master/hang.asm

I did it.

The application is less than 1 KB.

Do I get a prize or something?

:P

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth As Zach so kindly pointed out, Pebble as a company is dead, though their watches still work great. I personally like the Pebble Time more (color screen) but the P2 is a solid bet.

The Pebble app still works for now, though things are going to be shut down soon (store, transcription, etc). Once that happens, Gadgetbridge will be your best bet for watch control software.

It's still a good watch though

TheWanderer

they're good watches, bront

Nathan Osman

Lol.

Kaz Wolfe

As for apps, it's all pretty open for install, so you can use anyone's archived apps. I know @Avery has an extensive collection.

TheWanderer

what does Pebble run?

Nathan Osman

01:27

PebbleOS.

(j/k)

Kaz Wolfe

You're not wrong, Nathan.

TheWanderer

FreeRTOS

Kaz Wolfe

Custom OS based off of FreeRTOS

Nathan Osman

Meh, with any luck it runs an embedded version of Windows.

TheWanderer

is it Linux?

Kaz Wolfe

01:28

No.

TheWanderer

hmm

Kaz Wolfe

It's just a relatively simple real time os

TheWanderer

can I have a TDLR on RTOS?

Kaz Wolfe

Let me see if I can find one

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer really complicated code goes in, fancy data comes out.

Kaz Wolfe

01:32

Real-time OSes process things in real time.

There are usually deadlines to how fast an os must respond

There is often no "queueing" mechanism.

Nathan Osman

Linux, for example, is not intrinsically a realtime operating system.

Kaz Wolfe

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_computing

Nathan Osman

Although there are patches for making it one.

If memory serves me correctly, Windows 3.x was realtime.

But then again, memory doesn't always serve me correctly.

Kaz Wolfe

Windows CE was realtime

Mobile sucks.

Seth

01:53

@KazWolfe That's mostly all I care about. I just want an e-ink watch with different watch face capabilities. Everything else is mostly a bonus.

Fitness and sleep tracking are nice too, ofc.

jrg

02:08

Try a fitbit @Seth

they aren't going anywhere, even though pebble is

Seth

@jrg iirc they don't custom watch faces

and they'r enot e-ink. I don't want LCD.

jrg

oh :(

Seth

I've considered it though

Kaz Wolfe

Don't get fitbit

Fitbit is objectively terrible

Seth

I mean, the charge 2 doesn't look bad.

Kaz Wolfe

02:10

@Seth Do you want heart rate or color screens?

Seth

@KazWolfe That's a bold statement.

@KazWolfe I don't care much about color screens. I'd find the heart rate useful.

Kaz Wolfe

Then P2 is a good choice

Seth

@jrg do you have a fitbit?

@KazWolfe P2?

jrg

@Seth I used to.

Seth

Oh, pebble, right.

Kaz Wolfe

02:11

Pebble 2

Seth

@jrg ah

jrg

I had a pebble (original) and a pebble 2.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth I also think it's accurate

Seth

@KazWolfe well I'd hope you wouldn't state something you don't think is accurate.

jrg

Unfortunately pebble always seemed to fall short as a watch and as a smart widget

Seth

02:12

@jrg Oh yeah?

Why do you think that?

Kaz Wolfe

You need to be online for everything, Fitbit sells your data, and QA is pathetic.

jrg

I dislike having to charge my watch.

Seth

The only other smart watch I think I'd buy would be an Apple watch, but they're super $$$ and don't work with Android so

jrg

and it didn't do enough for me to think of it as a smart widget

Seth

@jrg This I can understand. Hence the desire (among other reasons) for an e-ink screen

jrg

02:13

I got an apple watch and while it tells time, it's definitely a smart widget so I don't mind charging it.

Seth

Oh you have an apple watch too?

I didn't know you had switched to an iPhone

(or did I?)

jrg

sold the pebble 2 (broke the pebble 1) to help finance it, yeah.

Kaz Wolfe

Pebbles are much better on Android actually.

TheWanderer

@jrg gasp

jrg

i've been on iPhone for the last 3 years

TheWanderer

02:14

@Seth ban him pls

jrg

i just kept trying to go back to android

and failed

Seth

@jrg What happened to the Nexus 5X? Also, current model?

Kaz Wolfe

PebbleOS 4 + Android is pretty sweet

Seth

@TheWanderer Sorry, probably switching to iPhone myself eventually.

TheWanderer

o_O

jrg

02:15

@Seth 5x is my 'work' phone. And it's an older watch.

Seth

Ah. Also, sorry, I meant iPhone model.

@TheWanderer Pretty sure we've been over this?

TheWanderer

nope

jrg

Oh, iPhone is an 8. I caved and upgraded from a 5S.

Seth

I value my privacy more than I value being on the "right" side of en ecosystem war.

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Kaz Wolfe

Android is private and the right side.

Seth

02:16

And Google continues to degrade my privacy continually.

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jrg

sorry, SE - not 5S

Google didn't sue the FBI. Apple did.

Kaz Wolfe

Custom OS. Disable Play Services.

Seth

@jrg oh, interesting. thoughts so far?

@KazWolfe not well supported any longer by the hardware ecosystem.

jrg

congrats, now you don't have to worry about them selling your data because you can't use your phone at all @KazWolfe

Seth

No nexus, OnePlus is dying..

Also I value function. Why do you think I'm still using Ubuntu?

Kaz Wolfe

02:18

Because it used to spy on you?

And demands Advantage be installed.

jrg

@Seth Glass back is weird, form factor is weirder (I really don't like large phones).

Seth

@KazWolfe no, it didn't. I wish people would stop saying that false statement.

jrg

battery life on iOS 11 is absolute crap

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth correction, sorry. It let Amazon spy on you.

jrg

but i'm sure they'll get it ironed out next point release in a few weeks

@KazWolfe Unlike Google, they admitted it and set about fixing it.

Seth

02:20

@KazWolfe Nope, not that either. Seriously, do your research.

jrg

Everyone makes mistakes RE: user privacy.

What matters is what they do to fix it.

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Kaz Wolfe

@Seth no. I'm a stupid nerd who holds brand loyalty above all else.

I refuse to accept the truth because I am a sheep.

Seth

@KazWolfe I sense sarcasm but even then don't get the meaning of that sentence.

Kaz Wolfe

What sarcasm

Seth

Ubuntu sent the search text to Canonical who anonymized it, sent it to Amazon, and then sent it back. Definitely a privacy failure IMO, but NOT any kind of spying.

jrg

02:22

eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/…

Seth

but it's privacy failures like these coupled with Google's known "spying" that makes me want to move away from their platform.

@jrg This is so true though.

Kaz Wolfe

It's only a matter of time before Apple starts datamining you for everything

Seth

I agree, but that's a lame argument for not using them now.

Especially if it encourages them to not.

jrg

It's only a matter of time before everyone does that.

I just believe that in Apples case it's measured in decades, not years.

Seth

Another reason I found it silly that you complained about ProtonMail not being free. Not free means less incentive to datamine you. I'd PREFER to pay for my email and whatnot (I'm just also super broke right now too)

jrg

02:25

Find me where Google has made this type of public commitment: apple.com/privacy

Kaz Wolfe

I'd prefer to host my own server and trust nobody but myself.

jrg

You have to trust your ISP

and your package sources

Kaz Wolfe

@jrg companies lie.

@jrg GPG signatures for both.

jrg

and the programmer who maintains your server software after working a full 12 hour day at their day job and putting the kids to bed

and makes a mistake that causes a buffer overflow at 2AM

leaking your private SSH key all over the internet

Kaz Wolfe

Like how iCloud got hacked how many times now?

jrg

02:27

letting anyone within 500 feet of the coffee shop siphon off your key and have root access

Seth

@KazWolfe so would I. but $$$ and the time and effort to properly secure it are things I don't have right now.

jrg

@KazWolfe little/no evidence that iCloud hacks were in the software. Same flaw any system has, AKA weak passwords provided by users/celebrities

Seth

You should know that Kaz?

Kaz Wolfe

Oh, I do

jrg

Look - I do not like Apple. I just dislike everyone elses posture around privacy and security more than I dislike Apples mentality.

Seth

02:28

No offense, but it seems like you're purposefully saying wrong things to support your point?

@jrg Basically what it came down to for me too

Kaz Wolfe

I'm just looking for any excuse to hate Apple for not letting me get system access and denying my warranty entirely because my device was jailbroken.

Seth

@KazWolfe ah

Kaz Wolfe

And not letting me own/control my device.

jrg

sounds like a personal problem. Google voids your warranty if you unlock your bootloader and root your device.

Kaz Wolfe

It is.

Legally, they can't do anything if it's hardware failure. Apple didn't care.

Seth

02:30

@jrg wait, Apple doesn't datamine siri?!

jrg

@Seth They claim they don't and nobody has been able to prove otherwise.

Seth

wow

jrg

or even find anything that could indicate they do

Kaz Wolfe

Tbh if you are concerned about privacy you shouldnt live in the US. And shouldn't go online

jrg

Well we're screwed because we are in the US.

And everyone else is screwed because everything else is in the US

Seth

02:32

@KazWolfe Tell me then, where should I live instead?

Kaz Wolfe

But what I said is not a valid argument

jrg

@KazWolfe explain.

Seth

@KazWolfe No, not living in the US and not using the internet are not valid arguments, you're right.

Actually, not living in the US might be a little valid.

jrg

Google Has Most of My Email Because It Has All of Yours

Seth

But most of Europe is not a good place to live either.

@jrg My word. I'd never even thought of that.

jrg

02:33

Another title for that could be: The NSA Has Most Of My Internet Traffic Because It Has The Servers That Host The Website I Visited

Seth

@jrg err, what?

jrg

or... Google Has Most Of My Internet Traffic Because Basically Every Site I Visit Has Google Analytics

Seth

@KazWolfe Like, I guess Europe is a little better on the privacy side of things (sometimes anyway) but they're not better on the government side so..

@jrg privacy badger ftw

Kaz Wolfe

Disabling GA is an option.

jrg

@Seth still screwed. we do server side google analytics tracking at work so we've got you anyway.

if you sign up, we can tie with 99% accuracy your session and a GA ID and event profile

put bluntly

Seth

02:35

@jrg I don't understand. you got my IP and maybe the referring site, that's it?

jrg

you're f*cked

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth doesn't protect you from server side. Or the legal wiretaps everyone does (including your ISPs)

Seth

@KazWolfe well no, nothing can protect you from your ISPs, really.

A VPN helps tho

jrg

@Seth We bundle some fancy JS inline that hits an endpoint on our site with a cookie and the referral (if applicable)

we then pass it to google, along with your user agent and some other stuff

Seth

I block that JS so..?

Kaz Wolfe

02:36

Privacy is dead.

jrg

and 99/100 times it'll tie everything together and record an event

@Seth not ours

Kaz Wolfe

That's pretty much all there is to it.

jrg

it doesn't come from google.com

it's hosted and bundled in with our app.js

Seth

what's your site again? I'm curious.

jrg

and hits an endpoint on our server

rvshare.com

Seth

02:37

right! Almost went to the cards place.

jrg

that's the old job

I do different tracking there :)

good luck blocking that tracking, same deal - bundled in with app.js

Seth

@jrg yeah I remember now.

Kaz Wolfe

And it's not like you can get away with zero JS anymore. Pretty much all sites need it to function now.

Seth

@KazWolfe yep, which is why I never bothered with noscript

jrg

I haven't been able to find an ad blocking tool that will block it if we bundle it with our app js

Seth

02:39

That makes sense.

Nasty.

Kaz Wolfe

This is why I just gave up. Companies are only going to get worse, because more profits for them.

jrg

oh dang it's 22:38 already. i need to go to bed, i've got an early morning.

there :P

Seth

lol

no colon in military time

2238

Kaz Wolfe

Not all 24 hour time is military time.

Seth

fair enough.

I wish everyone would switch to some form of 24 hour time. I'm so tired of the ambiguity that 12 hour time creates.

jrg

02:41

ISO 8601 allows hh:mm or hhmm

Seth

@jrg good to know.

Kaz Wolfe

Be the change you want to see. I've switched over entirely for exactly that reason.

Seth

@KazWolfe Same

Although I still have to convert for family.. sigh.

jrg

Be the ISO 8601 you want to see in the world.

Tweeted by jrgifford on September 29, 2017 at 2:41 AM

Kaz Wolfe

They can deal with it.

jrg

02:42

oh damnit kazwolfe now i look like a copycat

Kaz Wolfe

I assume they can subtract by 12.

You can just mod abuse.

It's not like I have any power to stop you.

Seth

actually

Kaz Wolfe

And people would believe a mod over me, so...

Seth

@KazWolfe That's neither kind nor loving. Much as I wish they would just learn it too.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth kindness is a waste of effort.

Seth

02:45

@KazWolfe SE would look into it themselves and find out.

@KazWolfe it's really not.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth something else we disagree about.

Kindlesa should be reserved for a very select few.

Seth

Like your direct family.

Kaz Wolfe

Debatable.

So

I wonder what color base I should have for my Google Home™.

jrg

I thought you didn't trust google

why would you invite the wiretap into your house

Kaz Wolfe

9 mins ago, by Kaz Wolfe

This is why I just gave up. Companies are only going to get worse, because more profits for them.

jrg

02:49

If you get a google home you have to name it "wiretap"

so you can say "Wiretap, order me a pizza"

(yes, I stole that from some internet rando)

Kaz Wolfe

Already have one

Seth

oh that's actually real funny lol

Kaz Wolfe

It's been listening for a couple weeks now.

jrg

neat

how's wiretap doing?

Kaz Wolfe

Making Google profits. So, well.

Seth

02:50

ok, chrome extension a la cloud to butt, but changes echo, alexa, Google home, etc to "wiretap".

Kaz Wolfe

Don't forget Siri.

jrg

coming right up

Kaz Wolfe

So, either a black or white base...

jrg

github.com/jrgifford/cloud-to-butt/blob/master/Source/…

there we go

Regex needs some improvements

Nathan Osman

GUYS.

jrg

02:54

should be case insensitive

Nathan Osman

I wrote an article :D

blog.quickmediasolutions.com/2017/09/28/…

jrg

ABOUT WIRETAPS?!

Nathan Osman

No, about a Docker container smaller than 1 KB.

Kaz Wolfe

Congrats. Would you like your Pulitzer?

Nathan Osman

I'll put it next to my Nobel Peace Prize. I guess. Meh.

:P

jrg

02:54

I will submit you to Hacker News

I will unblock the orange website from my laptop

Nathan Osman

Already done.

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15362418

jrg

I have upvoted you then

Nathan Osman

Thanks :)

jrg

i'll submit to lobste.rs in the morning

but first, sleep. later folks.

Nathan Osman

Goodnight.

Tomorrow is Friday! \o/

Kaz Wolfe

03:02

Yes, it is.

Tomorrow is also another day that has the potential to be just as miserable as any other day.

Seth

@JacobVlijm yeah, unfortunately there's not really a way to do that. sorry :/

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe with an attitude like that....

TOMMORROW COULD BE GLORIOUS! YOU SHOULD CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES! SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU! HEAR THE LAMENTATIONS OF THEIR CATS!

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Kaz Wolfe

@JourneymanGeek I already hear the lamentations of my own cats.

Journeyman Geek

You have cats. I start to understand why your days are miserable.

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Seth

03:47

wait I didn't know avicii published a new song

Sabir Ali

04:33

Hi i am facing problem while installing ubuntu in my laptop can anyone help me?

Here is the problem link

https://askubuntu.com/questions/960267/i-am-trying-to-install-ubuntu-16-04-lts-but-getting-kernel-error

I am able to install any version of windows but facing problem while installing or live boot of ubuntu

Kaz Wolfe

04:53

oh my god.

masterlock actually made a good lock

or at least one that is very very hard to non-destructively pick

Nathan Osman

05:28

Still not as good as this though: bowleylockcompany.com

Kaz Wolfe

actually...

this combo lock is impossible to shim (!!) and is apparently really complicated to engineer, so you sorta do have to brute force

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe shimming and engineering assuming you don't want someone to know

brute force indicates... you don't care

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, you can take a dremel to it

a lot can be said about non-destructive entry :)

@NathanOsman see, i want to like them, but they use weebly.

also, my digital locks are way better but meh

Nathan Osman

There's a joke about deadly neurotoxin in there somewhere...

Kaz Wolfe

there is?

Nathan Osman

05:33

It's the best way to keep people away.

Can't pick a lock if you're asphyxiated.

Even brute force loses to that one.

Probably not legal tho :P

Kaz Wolfe

well, it is in florida.

Nathan Osman

06:02

WHOA.

I just got a wave of traffic.

Kaz Wolfe

hm?

Nathan Osman

My article. I posted it on Hacker News.

It's on the front page.

:O

Nathan Osman

06:17

^--- server bandwidth

This is fun to watch :P

Kaz Wolfe

Cloudflare!

Nathan Osman

Nope.

I'm fielding this traffic on my own.

So far, it's nowhere near peak utilization.

CPU is under 5% and bandwidth is at about 1-2%.

There's room for another order of magnitude increase.

Though it is still climbing...

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

06:53

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Q: Mouse pointer leaves trail

I've just started using Linux on my laptop, and I am facing some difficulties working with an external monitor. At first, I tried connecting with HDMI, but then the resolution was limited. Also the mouse pointer leaves a kind of trail when moving it, which then disappears within a few seconds aft...

Nathan Osman

It has climbed to #11 now.

Bandwidth to the server is averaging 1.5 MB/s.

Nathan Osman

08:14

It jumped ahead of the SpaceX video at one point.

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe hah. You'd be surprised how efficient a prybar or bolt cutter is

Rinzwind

09:21

Ubuntu 17.10 will drop 32 bit releases for the desktop.

Oli

I wonder what's taking so long.

jrg

@NathanOsman congrats!

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

10:14

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Q: Remove volume indicator

Obviously a minor annoyance, but is there any way to remove or alter the size of the volume icon that pops up in the middle of the screen when adjusting the volume? Currently it's huge and I have to wait a few seconds for it to disappear before I can continue working! I am aware that I can adjus...

ubuntu gnome

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

10:51

0

Q: Using -N in nmon or other alternatives

I have installed nmon and when I run the -N command to see my NFS drive resources etc it brings up this image below and does not show the NFS shared drives. Does anyone know an easier way to check the resource usage of each of the NFS drives such as network usage per drive and r/w per drive. ...

linux bash ubuntu iostat

Stefano Palazzo

11:04

@NathanOsman that's so cool :D

Fabby

11:24

@KazWolfe a wolf keeping cats???

Byte Commander

@Fabby ...and hens! :-D Hey Fabby.

Fabby

@Rinzwind Cheater!

@ByteCommander Having lunch, letting my hair down...

:) I'm really trying hard to work only 8h/day now...

Byte Commander

Great!

Fabby

I try... Doesn't succeed often, but at least I try

I'm outta here!

Byte Commander

seeya

blade19899

11:51

0

Q: Target WSGI script '/opt/graphite/conf/graphite.wsgi' cannot be loaded as Python module

I'm trying to install carbon, ceres, graphite-web whisper on a Debian 7.11 system. I installed everything according to documentation and ps auxf shows the aforementiond software running. When I access the hostname, I get a 500: Internal Server Error page. The error logs displays the following ...

debian

Android Dev

@NathanOsman orly? A friend of mine wrote an article a month ago maybe and it also ended up on the front page :D

He too was eagerly watching the hit-o-meter

Android Dev

12:06

Also @NathanOsman, askoli.quickmediasolutions.com is down

@GeorgetheDev is askoli.quickmediasolutions.com down?

George the Dev

@AndroidDev askoli.quickmediasolutions.com appears to be down

Rinzwind

12:26

@Fabby 20 years ago I last used assembly :P

Byte Commander

@NathanOsman link?

Feeds

13:47

Search performance of Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange will be degraded for a few hours as we use the backup search cluster during our elastic upgrade to 5.6.1

Tweeted by thefarseeker on September 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM

Byte Commander

14:01

again?

Didn't they do that just a few days ago?

terdon

14:23

How could you tell? :P

Rinzwind

14:35

@ByteCommander monday iirc. I saw a page stating that but it was only there for a second.

Nathan Osman

15:05

Hi.

Traffic to my blog has increased by 8,661% since last night :P

My web server has been sustaining 1.4 MB/s for the last 10-11 hours.

Byte Commander

Link to your article? I couldn't find it...

Nathan Osman

@ByteCommander blog.quickmediasolutions.com/2017/09/28/…

Byte Commander

clicks

Android Dev

15:37

@Oli here's one for you: askubuntu.com/questions/960557/…

@NathanOsman oooh, so that's why you were talking about x86 assembly the other day

Nathan Osman

Well... it was more the other way around.

I wrote the article after I finished it.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

16:10

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Q: Error opening audio device (null) for capture: Connection refused FATAL: "continuous.c", line 245: Failed to open audio device

I am trying to install pocketsphinx on my ARM-based board(nanopi-m1), and use Ubuntu-Core 16.04 on it. But when I try to test pocketsphinx with this command: pocketsphinx_continuous -inmic yes I get this error message: Error opening audio device (null) for capture: Connection refused FATAL: "...

ubuntu pulseaudio error-handling

Nathan Osman

How does this have 64 stars???

Eliah Kagan

16:42

> This application does absolutely nothing. Once started, it will hang until a signal is received.

Honesty.

Nathan Osman

:D

Eliah Kagan

16:55

This is really interesting:

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Q: ( grep -Eo '[0-9]{1,99}' ) is much faster than ( grep -Eo '[0-9]{1,9999}' ), but why?

While ago I created an answer for this question and I found this issue, that is described into the title. Here is the example: I have a directory with the next structure: $ tree --noreport . . ├── sound ├── sound1 ├── sound2 ├── sound3 ├── sound4 ├── sound5 ├── sound99 ├── soundd └── sound.text...

command-line grep regex

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