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Avery

00:01

I don't use grub

Also I needed a reason to switch to lvm and this is a good reason so

TheWanderer

wut

Avery

Actually

The switch to fat16 made it unbootable or smth

I'm really better off reinstalling probs

Seth

@Avery usually those two words don't go together..

Ugh. I need to reset my phone. And I have 10 sites using Google authenticator for 2FA I need to deal with.

Not fun.

TheWanderer

hue

Nathan Osman

What is everyone's first impression of this sign?

TheWanderer

00:10

don't use 2FA @Seth

Seth

#%(GJ$&tg

Nathan Osman

TheWanderer

problem solved

use HorseWhateverThatXKCDIs

Seth

I just realized I switched desks and I'm not sure where my backup codes ended up

Nathan Osman

What does it mean?

TheWanderer

00:10

@NathanOsman no people

which I can get behind

Seth

@NathanOsman First impression: No men. Second impression: perhaps they meant no people and don't know how to sign?

TheWanderer

or, well, I guess I can't, since I'm people

Nathan Osman

@Seth That's what I thought :P

Seth

@TheWanderer you can get in front of tho

TheWanderer

ye

Nathan Osman

00:11

I love Google's free unlimited photo storage.

Only catch is they limit the resolution.

But meh.

Seth

@TheWanderer get hax0d then zach

TheWanderer

no

@NathanOsman to 16MP

Seth

Good passwords aren't enough.

TheWanderer

1234

Seth

Bother. Better find my backup codes..

Nathan Osman

00:13

@TheWanderer Seriously?

I thought it was smaller than that.

TheWanderer

no

it's 16MP

Nathan Osman

Well in that case, I have nothing to worry about.

TheWanderer

yep

Nathan Osman

I don't think I have anything larger than that.

Other than panoramic photos.

Those can go elsewhere.

Seth

3578yrfg73hjunrfgoui;gik,hgrfjvfge... where did I put those backup codes. Not good.

TheWanderer

00:14

if you upload those, they just count against your 15GB of Drive space

@Seth this is why you don't do 2FA

don't do 2FA, kids

this is a 2ARE community

or what's the new one, DREAM?

Nathan Osman

@Seth I keep them in a text file in a special location.

Seth

Well I knew exactly where they were. I just had very enthusiastic family wrt helping me switch desks...

Nathan Osman

Oh...

Seth

Well, I guess since I can still get into all the account I can generate new backup codes..

Seth

00:34

Oh, I found them all. They were where I thought they should have been put, just a bit buried.

Nathan Osman

Whew.

TheWanderer

01:06

whoa elephonestore.com/…

won't get LTE in North America, but that is one good-looking phone

no headphone jack though

kind of confused why such a tiny manufacturer would do that

TheWanderer

01:20

who the hell choreographed this video? youtube.com/watch?v=zsmUOdmm02A

and what were they on?

Avery

01:34

@TheWanderer god what wallpaper and that font

Avery

04:23

oh god

I'm finally back

Byte Commander

08:16

@TheWanderer what's wrong with it? You should watch some Rob Zombie for comparison...

Apollonius

Anyone here? I need help on something... I posted in our main website, about three days ago, but still haven't got anything useful...

TheWanderer

09:06

@KazWolfe top 3% is up to 50GB now

TheWanderer

10:58

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TheWanderer

14:52

Byte Commander

roof/reef

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15:53

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Q: How to check that dvd-rw is erased?

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badp

16:58

putting ubuntu-advantage-tools as a dependency of ubuntu-minimal is really dirty

I need to mention that

This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu minimal system, that is a functional command-line system with the following capabilities:

* Boot
* Detect hardware
* Connect to a network
* Install packages
* Perform basic diagnostics

It is also used to help ensure proper upgrades, so it is recommended that it not be removed.

I understand the need for money making but this is probably not the right thing to do.

then again I don't even know if there's canonical people lurking here any longer, so.

Kaz Wolfe

17:13

wtf ADB. How is it that Adhell can disable Samsung apps completely, but ADB can not?! cc @TheWanderer

TheWanderer

TouchWiz sorcery

Kaz Wolfe

@badp it's not, but enterprises want pretty things

TheWanderer

I really don't know how those TouchWiz app disablers work

but pm disable is broken?

Kaz Wolfe

yep

pm disable throws a SecurityException

but AdHell (after being granted device admin) can do whatever the hell it wants.

TheWanderer

yeah I really don't know how it does it

oh but it's OSS

or not...

oh it uses KNOX

Kaz Wolfe

17:16

yeah, but that's just ad blocking

the actual app stuff has to be done differently

TheWanderer

well the source code is gone now so...

Kaz Wolfe

github.com/MilanParikh/Adhell2

TheWanderer

I don't see anything about package disabling at first glance

badp

@KazWolfe it could have been a Recommends.

apt will usually install Recommends packages

while not getting upset if they get removed later

I can't rule out that there are very good technical reasons for doing this

but it's still shitty.

Kaz Wolfe

@badp well, i can look

TheWanderer

17:22

Aha an interface

Kaz Wolfe

I actually don't even see it on recommends

badp

paste.ubuntu.com/25593612

it is under depends, yes.

Kaz Wolfe

huh. i wonder why 1604 doesnt have that

badp

ubuntu-meta (1.400) artful; urgency=medium

* Refreshed dependencies
* Removed gnome-software-plugin-snap from desktop-recommends [s390x]
* Added ubuntu-advantage-tools to minimal. LP: #1686183.

-- Steve Langasek <[email protected]> Fri, 22 Sep 2017 03:46:23 +0000

Kaz Wolfe

Ship ubuntu-advantage in ubuntu-minimal

The ubuntu-advantage-tools package is a bit odd as it was first landed in precise to support the ESM effort inside canonical. [0] In order to bring this package up to date across other series in ubuntu, it has been recommended by the Ubuntu Foundations team to land into trusty next, then forward-port pocket-copy to all supported series until we get to the devel release. The version here: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/ubuntu-advantage-script/releases/tag/v2 ... has all on-disk bits correctly working, for all series, but no-ops on any release other than precise (ESM is only for "unsupported" LTS releases as it were). This is a request to land ubuntu-advantage-tools into trusty, then pocket-copy it to supported series of ubuntu once that is finished. [Impact] * Allow ubuntu-advantage users to access the extended security maintenance script with a simple command line tool. This script needs to hit precise machines and be easy for ubuntu-advantage customers to enable, thus bas…

ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu)

Undecided / Fix Released

badp

17:26

lol it was going to be even deeper than ubuntu-minimal

Kaz Wolfe

apparently ubuntu advantage is supposed to be a core part of ubuntu

weird

also finally starting to explore knox

it looks like it's effectively a dockerized android

badp

To summarize, as expected, all non-precise releases behave the same:

a) enable-esm fails with a valid token because ESM is not available for non-precise ubuntu releases. That causes apt-get update to fail with a 404. The situation is resolved by running the disable-esm command.

so it's a non-removable piece of software that emits an error message

delightful

Kaz Wolfe

sounds like systemd

except systemd is actually useful

Avery

17:51

what exactly is ubuntu advantage?

Fabby

@Seth Most people don't understand technology...

... let alone (required or optional) dependencies.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Kaz Wolfe

@Avery it's an enterprise monitoring and management service for ubuntu systems

it's basically pro support for ubuntu

ubuntu.com/support

It also, annoyingly, is what controls livepatching

Fabby

@EliahKagan :D :D :D I was talking about something that happened 15-20 years ago man! Pre-SE! (cc @Oli)

@EliahKagan Inside a company's internal documentation system...

(Now that i think of it: it was only 12 years ago...)

(still pre-StackExchange)

Kaz Wolfe

yaknow, it would be great if we could get landscape and livepatching truly free or for some low cost ($10/install/year). The catch is we don't get any support, SLA, or similar.

Eliah Kagan

18:16

@Fabby Well, you brought it up when asked about why you put big text in scripts here asserting they're covered by the GPL. That's what I responded to. What you achieve is to let everybody do what they could before, plus other things they might not otherwise be able to. If that's your goal, it's admirable, especially since CC-BY-SA is not really a great license for code. But if you were hoping to "protect" your scripts in some way, I figured it would be worthwhile to point out you can't.

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David Foerster

20:06

@TheWanderer I'm so glad we have advanced technology at our disposal to create more pop-culture memes.

TheWanderer

maymays

Nathan Osman

20:20

My face was a meme.

TheWanderer

yup

Android Dev

@NathanOsman but you were the one who made it though :P (right?)

Nathan Osman

Well... I uploaded the image.

Someone decided to add some words to it :P

TheWanderer

Nathan Osmeme

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Nathan Osman

I feel like my chat script needs reactions like FB Messenger and Slack.

Android Dev

20:45

@NathanOsman nah nah, what it really needs is a way to make the SE servers think you're coming from the local network so that you can have @ThomasWard's HAMMAH O POWWWAA :P (Seriously though, someone did that and they had access to all the mod tools)

Nathan Osman

Really?

I thought I had found a vulnerability once and it turned out that my script had a bug :P

Android Dev

@NathanOsman blog.ircmaxell.com/2012/11/anatomy-of-attack-how-i-hacked.html

"It wasn't until I noticed a new menu item in the chat application that it really clicked. This new menu item was named "Admin". Curious, I clicked the link, figuring I'd be immediately denied access. What happened next surprised me. Not only was I not denied access, but I was granted full access to everything. I had the developer console to see what people were doing. I had a database query interface where I could directly query any database that I wanted. I had admin access to chat."

Pretty scary stuff!

Nathan Osman

21:01

Indeed

TheWanderer

How the Massive Equifax Data Breach Happened

►

Nathan Osman

Basically gross incompetence.

TheWanderer

yup

they didn't patch a bug found in March lol

why are they even using Apache?

and I can't believe Apache Struts had a code injection vuln until March 2017

Nathan Osman

When it comes to organizations like that, nothing gets audited or checked or verified until something like this happens. "If it ain't broke and currently on fire, don't fix it."

TheWanderer

that's a really bad design for a company with every US citizen's CC data

Nathan Osman

21:17

Heck, don't forget the government itself.

It has more data than Equifax and you think it has a different mindset?

David Foerster

@NathanOsman Plus, the government is less likely to hold itself accountable for incompetence/negligence. (On the other hand it's under more public scrutiny and voters can hold pundits accountable.)

I just had my first audit of an edit suggestion review where the correct reaction was to accept the suggestion.

Eliah Kagan

I didn't know such audits existed.

@DavidFoerster Wait, was it this audit? The mock edit shown there is totally wrong, so if you clicked Approve or Improve and passed the audit, that seems like a bug. How did you get to that review item? Was is while reviewing, or were you trying to edit the post yourself anyway?

David Foerster

21:36

@EliahKagan I received the audit like any other edit suggestion review.

…but disregard my earlier statement. I meant to approve with only minor changes so I chose "edit and approve".

Good night, all! Off to bed…

Eliah Kagan

Hmm, idk then.

Good night!

Nathan Osman

22:14

Lol.

Facebook changed their mind about React's license.

2

TheWanderer

23:02

wow concerts1.livenation.com/event/0200531A2E03B4E2

@NathanOsman does that mean I can use React and sue Facebook now?

why does this exist gsmarena.com/asus_zenfone_3_ultra_zu680kl-8130.php

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Go for it, lol.

TheWanderer

:(

Android Dev

23:18

@TheWanderer O_o you're sad that you got a donation?

TheWanderer

I don't think you were here for the context of that

Android Dev

23:41

O_O @NathanOsman I just discovered that the Notepad preview in Explorer supports Unix-style line endings, but notepad itself does not!

Nathan Osman

23:57

Notepad never has. Much to my consternation.

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