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00:37
@Oli it won't get in for beta 2, if that's what you're expecting - someone who's familiar with that code will need to look at it
Oli
Oli
@ajmitch I'm not expecting it to make it in overnight but it's a pretty critical bug for me. You upgrade with certain DMRAID configurations, YOOO NO BOOT!
sounds like fun
it's on the sponsorship queue at least
I don't know why people persist with fake raid :)
Oli
Oli
I persist with it because it gives me 540MB/s read/write (and it's built into my PCI-E SSD).
For all its evils, it does a pretty good job most of the time.
fair enough, I wouldn't have expected something built into an SSD to use dmraid
best I've seen on my single SSD (probably a SATA 2 connector) is ~275MB/sec
hello fellows(and ladies)
@aking1012 hi
no ladies present, i'm afraid
just didn't want to be offensive in case...and i like the rhyming
01:12
I need to find a quicker way to take screenshots & crop them
though the gimp is adequate
jrg
jrg
Shutter.
gimp + ssd
I only need to do that so I can answer questions & gain rep :)
that really solved the problem for me
which I don't often do
jrg
jrg
01:15
I do shutter for everything.
I even use its tools for cropping things that aren't screenshots, its just that nice.
askubuntu.com/a/116905/129 for fun & profit
staging.launchpad.net is useful for playing around, since database changes will effectively be wiped every so often
jrg
jrg
Neat trick. I'll have to try that.
 
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02:34
(From G+)
P.S. It's worth trying to figure it out because the answer is soooo simple.
Can you answer this? "ldap_add: Naming violation (64)" error when configuring OpenLDAP http://askubuntu.com/questions/29595/ldap-add-naming-violation-64-error-when-configuring-openldap?atw=1 #configuration
03:13
@RolandTaylor:
39 mins ago, by George Edison
user image
This is pretty neat.
O.o
I am stumped
It took a looong time to figure it out.
But apparently preschoolers can solve it in a few minutes.
Let me guess, it is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealllly simple right?
...and once you get the answer - you'll be banging your head against the wall.
@RolandTaylor Ridiculously simple.
Every time I think I have it I'm wrong
03:32
I gave up btw lol
Going to try to do some writing
You want the answer?
yes lol!
Count the closed loops in each number...
argh!
LOL
03:34
I was thinking too deep!
Trying to do equations even...
!slap self 10
Oh and btw whats up!
:D I'm cool, you?
03:36
Haha i have prevailed!
like he said count the closed loops in the #
I know lol
the only
I called 85 as a random number in reply to "2?"
# that has closed loops iis 8 and it has 2
oh ok
so whats crackin
Hello all
03:38
I'm doing some writing that's was up
@AmithKK
@RolandTaylor Hello :D
what it do homie :D?
@AmithKK whats up
@HotrodJP99 Hey :D
I heard you just turned 13
03:40
Yeah, it's a trap!
Belated Happy birthday
yea how?
thx
He will take your cookies!
@AmithKK no!
uh oh!
:O
<--- is in a random (and pointless) mood
03:41
@AmithKK how did you know?
The chat keeps logs
Transcripts
yea ik
@roland, GNOME =! GNOME shell.
And Im 13 too :D
03:42
awesome
@jokerdino lol so we agree :D
@AmithKK love the profile pic
@HotrodJP99 Thanks
@RolandTaylor We do?
@jokerdino yes
03:44
@GeorgeEdison Answer is 2?
I don't believe Gnome == Gnome Shell
OK then, we can discuss this later, I am running a little late ;)
lol I'm busy with writing myself, so np
Any Pythonistas here?
03:47
Python Espeak
and that is
call me dumb....
A Interface layer to Espeak for python
yea i asked google for help. and it did
@GeorgeEdison Ping
03:50
@GeorgeEdison Did you use python-espeak?
I don't remember using it.
Can you help me :D
Im trying to make a hourly speaking clock
in python :D
thats cool
@HotrodJP99 Thanks :D
yea ill be a tester if u need 1
03:52
:D
i got espeak. pretty cool
1
Q: How portable are Binaries compiled in Ubuntu?

hiobsThe title says it all, actually. But allow me to specify the question: Assuming I were to compile an application that uses libffi, libGL, dlfcn, and SDL, would said binary run on other Linux distributions with same architecture, etc? The reason I ask is because of the directory /usr/lib/i386-li...

im clueless
@AmithKK who asked that?
@GeorgeEdison I need help on general python stuff
04:08
thanks, i've responded to his question, as I've run into this myself
@AmithKK what "general python stuff" do you need help with
has worked with python in the past
Running a line if it is An hour
like run a command each time the system time reaches intervals like "12:00AM 1:00AM"
ah, so like cron does :P
Something like that
ever think to ask on SO?
But all of it is done in python
04:11
you realize SO does python right?
i've used them to get python support
@AmithKK did i hear python?
What Python help do you need?
0
Q: Running a line in 1 hour intervals in python

Amith KKI'm trying to create a espeak based talking clock completely in python I want to know how to run spk.speak('It is now <time>') Each time the system hits time's like 12:00 1:00 etc

Ka Ask!
@George he wants to implement something like Cron does
i.e.
<3 you guys
04:14
IF (systemTime.Minutes = 0) THEN [Do Something]
in python
@ThomasWard Why not just use cron?
i wouldn't use if systemtime, i would sleep for longer and use if systemtime > x > oldsystemtime. maybe that's just me
@GeorgeEdison, not my program, its @amithkk's
read his question
(although I'd of course use cron if I could :P)
0
Q: Running a line in 1 hour intervals in python

Amith KKI'm trying to create a espeak based talking clock completely in python I want to know how to run spk.speak('It is now <time>') Each time the system hits time's like 12:00 1:00 etc

I want it to be standalone
04:17
just a sec...it's going to trash your CPU usage until you hit hour though
No other efficient way?
You could just calculate the difference between the current time and the next hour interval and then sleep for that amount of time.
Then just sleep for one hour.
Oh... someone's posted my idea :P
i agree with @aking1012, it'll screw your system over
lol
yeah, you could sleep for an hour once you hit an hour, but it'll trash you until then
It'll what?
04:21
if you perm loop until you hit hour, it'll eat CPU. my solution for I don't want to use cron is to turn out poor code
No, if you're sleeping you're not wasting CPU cycles.
The OS kernel is smart enough to do other things and suspend your process until the interval is up.
hey @George, what do you know about GCC and binaries compiled by them?
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Q: How portable are Binaries compiled in Ubuntu?

hiobsThe title says it all, actually. But allow me to specify the question: Assuming I were to compile an application that uses libffi, libGL, dlfcn, and SDL, would said binary run on other Linux distributions with same architecture, etc? The reason I ask is because of the directory /usr/lib/i386-li...

@AmithKK You have a good answer already.
something like while(True):if(ishour()):speak('hour');else:sleep(hour)
04:23
@ThomasWard: I don't think the paths are included in the ELF executable.
@George are you certain?
absolutely certain?
...because you can specify the search paths for libraries with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable.
Now to replace time with the system time
(At least, I'm pretty sure that's the case.)
Im such a N00b in python
04:24
@GeorgeEdison then modify my answer accordingly.
Well, I'm not 100% sure.
It's been a while since I poked around in the ELF executable format spec.
the end-result statement stands, though: A Binary compiled on Ubuntu will likely not run on another system UNLESS that system has the same configuration of libraries as the system upon which the binaries were built
Well, it needs a few things:
so post as a separate answer?
- the same version of libc
04:25
@GeorgeEdison Python CAN consume a ton of CPU. The scheduler is great...but I've seen it make a CPU cry
- the necessary shared libraries in a certain location (a location in LD_LIBRARY_PATH or whatever)
the question was portability, not specifics, but still
@ThomasWard not a fan of that question. it's like saying can i dynamically cross-compile given the same architecture. package woes WILL ensue
i'm not a fan either, but the end result is portability is not guaranteed, therefore you should just build the program(s) on each system you're going to use em
Ubuntu packages, however, work with Ubuntu systems
so 99.9989% of the time all packages will correctly install
because the base libraries used to compile still exist
packages things semi-often
agreed. you COULD get it to run on 'other', but it's just not worth it
04:28
o/ @ajmitch
@ajmitch - hi
@ajmitch Hey :D
@ThomasWard btw I know that cross-compile typically refers to arch not distribution...it's just a verbage thing. you got the point.
shrugs
i've updated my answer with details from @George, and a tidbit about "While portability can be done, its usually time consuming, therefore its better to compile the program on each system that will use it"
(but in many more words)
w00t, another badge: "REVIVAL: Answered more than 30 days later as first answer scoring 2 or more. This badge can be awarded multiple times."
04:38
I still need to get necromancer
i didnt realize it, but i have that badge xD
you know i should probably do the econ homework that's due in class tomorrow (today, Thursday)
i have that one over on another SE site
i'll be back, need to boot into WIndows (i have to submit my homework via a site that only works on Windows... </epic rage>)
I did answer a question just last week that was asked back in 2010, but like many of those questions, it's not relevant to many, so will never get many votes
which one?
04:46
question about vagrant packages, I find it a rather useful tool for work
so it got synced to precise & I use it for testing on my laptop :)
er link...if i find it interesting i could upvote...
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A: Where can I find Vagrant packages?

ajmitch12.04 Vagrant 1.0.1 is now included in universe in 12.04 and you can install this via the Software Center.

it's not a particularly 'interesting' answer at all
all it says is that the packages are available now
if fossfreedom was comfortable upping it so am i
you only assume that he voted for it
this is true...but if he edited...he probably voted. you usually wind up +1-ed or in the negative when he edits your answers
05:50
@GeorgeEdison Still up?
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Q: Thunderbird-Trunk not installable in 10.04 due to unmet dependencies

Thomas BoxleyWhen I try to install thunderbird-trunk from the Ubuntu Mozilla Daily PPA, I get: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or be...

0
Q: Can't turn on wireless on ubuntu 11.10, but wireless works fine in windows

JeromePlease help, i'm having a lot of trouble, and if i don't resovle it, ubuntu is useless to me. When I turn the wireless button on, it switches back to off automatically please help.

Abandoned
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A: Sound doesn't work on a Dell Vostro 3400, shows up as unclaimed

Amith KKIt seems that your kernel does not recognise your soundcard Try the following command and reboot sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-generic Sources : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-763241.html

+1 for answered
@AmithKK I'm calling it a night now.
Is it possible to add registry entries to the wine registry and make illustrator work? http://askubuntu.com/questions/116923/is-it-possible-to-add-registry-entries-to-the-wine-registry-and-make-illustrator?atw=1 #wine
 
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07:26
What's up folks?
@jokerdino that wabbit
:P
o.O
You don't have to take it seriously.
I didnt
0
A: Removing Firefox in Ubuntu with all add-ons like it never existed

ashleyLinux is becoming more like windows - or is it the other way around? all I did was restart a couple times and it somehow automatically picked up that there was a fault and corrected it - it had something to do with the security MS font license..

I saw it too. Didn't know what to do.
I am leaving for now. Talk to you later.
07:44
cya
 
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08:46
How do I move all directories into a single directory efficiently in the same folder? http://askubuntu.com/questions/116899/how-do-i-move-all-directories-into-a-single-directory-efficiently-in-the-same-fo?atw=1 #files
09:31
0
Q: Run two shell file with thread

user15992How i can run two file shell in parallel and do not shared the same jvm. may be i use thread but how i run two file shell bu two thread ? File 1: #!/bin/bash # # Script for running several experimentations one the same JVM # Usage : TRACE_DIR NB_EXPE Factories... # param="parameter1" another="...

09:51
Hello @badp
yoooooooooooooooooooo.
Whats up?
BBL
 
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11:33
@Oli There?
12:01
Can you answer this? Apparmor not starting with kernel LSM error http://askubuntu.com/questions/32565/apparmor-not-starting-with-kernel-lsm-error?atw=1 #apparmor
12:34
serial-coder.co.uk/blog/2012/03/… - we are one up on Ubuntu forums. ;)
jrg
jrg
12:44
@jokerdino also interesting that they are saying it doesn't meet the notability guidelines.
Oh they do?
jrg
jrg
Yeah. top of the page - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Forums
Oh wow, I kinda overlooked that banner.
We don't have such a banner for Ask Ubuntu! \o/
Figures Silver Fox is behind the push to wikipedia
He's one of the people fighting to get the forums in to the slideshow
Yes, it is s-fox.
jrg
jrg
12:58
Not necessarily a bad thing.
Right
I think it's a hard sell since they still haven't been able to implement the new branding guidelines
jrg
jrg
@GeorgeEdison Pong - stackapps.com/questions/3282/… (although you'll probably see it)
user image
3
\o/
thou shall star that image!
why does planet gnome and planet debian mostly have the same thing?
jrg
jrg
lots of gnome people use debian
Subscribing to both of them kinda makes me cringe now.
jrg
jrg
13:08
I just do ubuntu, and i was subscribed to fedora for a little while.
i think
I am just getting to use Google reader for a while now.
GNOME 3.4 feels nice if you are using Adwaita theme.
jrg
jrg
How can I get that on precise?
do i need to add a PPA?
gnome-shell 3.4 is in the repos.
and many components are already in the repos.
jrg
jrg
odd, i'm still using 3.3.92.
dist-upgrade :p
Oli
Oli
13:22
Is it versioned like Grub? (where 1.92 is version 2 for some reason)
I can't quite tell how soon I will switch back to Unity.
@oli It's not.
grub 2 is 1.99~ubuntu4 right now.
But, gnome-shell is 3.4.
jrg
jrg
proposed?
I often forget that I have proposed enabled.
jrg
jrg
ok.
I'm sorry.
13:27
BBL
jrg
jrg
for?
for the wrong info.
jrg
jrg
its ok.
Yay! I'm now on -proposed, time to break stuff.
that is what Ubuntu+1 is all about.
jrg
jrg
exactly.
Its been too stable lately.
13:44
yeppers.
askubuntu.com/questions/116937/… - i can't quite tell if i really understood the question or not..
Oli
Oli
@AmithKK What did you want earlier?
He wanted to close some questions.
2 hours ago, by Amith KK
@Oli There?
^ This, I am not too sure.
14:01
Shaved for the first time in a year or so (I still trim it regularly), sent pic to supervisor, I like you better without a beard he said, replied: why do you think I keep it in the first place? :)
14:16
Time to get a new avatar.
14:27
@jokerdino Or Gravatar?
waves to the room
bleh, IRC is screwing with my brain xD
whoo, got another Necromancer badge
Nice!
on this one:
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A: How portable are Binaries compiled in Ubuntu?

Thomas WardWhen you compile a binary, say, nginx from source code, it's built with information regarding where the libraries are on the system that is compiling the binaries. The libraries to reference of course are determined by the arguments (for nginx, that's the definition of which modules you want act...

ARGH! lag is evil
That sounds like my problem.
lol? how so?
14:41
Network Error (tcp_error)

A communication error occurred: "" The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a later time.
For assistance, contact your network support team.
ah. i'm actually having lag, i blame ****** campus wifi :P
@ThomasWard That makes sense. +1's it.
that answer is pretty much incorrect
jrg
jrg
incorrect? How so?
I just commented on it... binaries don't reference libs by absolute path
jrg
jrg
14:43
That does not match my experience at all.
@psusi read my response
and feel free to revise the answer
(or post your own)
you can use ldd to see what libs a binary wants, and what absolute path the system resolves it to with the current configuration
and i dont think i reference path anywhere (I think i fixed that last night)
as long as the system has the lib requested, and the version of it isn't so old that it is missing functions the program uses, it will run just fine
ah i found it
and fixed it
@psusi i still want you to answer my comment :P
@psusi having said this, do you believe that its more feasible (and easier) to compile a program on each system that will use it, or to distribute Linux binaries that may use newer features than the libraries available on each system using the program?
14:46
Can you answer this? How can I start a different X session on tty8? http://askubuntu.com/questions/39025/how-can-i-start-a-different-x-session-on-tty8?atw=1 #terminal
if it runs, there's no need to recompile it... often times when libs add new functions in new versions though, programs may use them if found, and not otherwise, so when you try to backport the program, you need to recompile it on the older system so that it doesn't try to use the new functions that aren't there in the old lib
of course, sometimes they just require the newer lib and won't compile against the old one any more...
then do you believe its more time consuming to test your binaries on the system to use it first, and then compile if you have to?
or would you just compile in the first place?
but an old binary compiled against old libs will still run fine on a newer system with newer versions of those libs, even if they are in different directories
(to make sure the libraries on the system are actually being used)
( as long as those directories are on the lib search path )
I'd just install the precompiled binary from the repo ;)
it sounds like the OP is writign his own program though
so he should know what versions of the libs he's using he requires
so as long as each distribution he wants to run on meets his minimum lib requirements, there's no need to recompile
14:52
agreed. but considering i have 7 upvotes thus far, the idea of "Building to make sure you have compatible libraries" seems to be along the correct line
if you'd like to restate all your statements from here on an answer (or in comments), you're free to, but its generally recommended to compile on each system, no? esp. with version changes
why? I don't see any reason for it... you sometimes run into scenarios where it's needed, but generally no...
for instance, if you build a debian package built on debian stable, it will generally install and run fine on both ubuntu and mint, even when they have newer versions of the libs you use
briefly thinks about debian stable
if you build on Ubuntu 11.10, and try to run on Debian Stable, you'll run into potential problems
since the version mismatches may exist
likely, but not neccesarily... it comes down to what functions you use from the libs, and what version they were introduced
yawn i'm not disagreeing, but still :p
yawn ugh, i should have gotten a coffee before heading out
the debian packaging system actually has a system where it keeps track of what version of the lib each symbol was added in, and compares that list with the symbols the program uses from the lib, so it can compute the minimum required version
14:57
</exhausted>
<< new daddy, doesn't remember what sleep is
lol, i feel happy yet extremely sorry for you
hehe
so yea, when it's packaged right, and you don't actually need the newer lib version, you can compile on ubuntu and it will install and run on debian stable

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